“There’s Not Going To Be A Decision Made For A While”
December 30th, 2019
Bucco Bruce Arians opened his season-ending news conference today with a message for media: save your breath.
Your Jameis breath.
Arians told media that a decision on the future of Jameis Winston will be discussed at One Buc Palace and “there’s not going be a decision made for a while,” Arians said, adding that any questions about Jameis would be “moot.”
Arians said he expects a decision will be made on Jameis in a few weeks but that doesn’t mean the Bucs will reveal it. Arians said the Bucs showing their hand when they know means “you lose your leverage” when it comes to contract negotiation.
The head coach said he will meet with players individual today and tomorrow.
Man, Joe would love to be a fly on the wall in that Arians-Jameis chat.
December 30th, 2019 at 11:50 am
Coach Arians knows best. I hope he cuts bait and doesn’t let his ego think he can fix Jameis. We will be right here again after year six. A new beginning at QB is a must.
Wake up and smell the turnovers!
30 for 30
7 pick 6’s- most in a regular season- ever!
Enough with denying ourselves the truth: Jameis Winston is not a franchise QB bc of turnovers, decision making, and lack
Of wins.
The team can’t continue to overcome all of the needless turnovers. It catches up with us sooner or later, and the first play in OT yesterday was karma. Play sloppy football and you will turn it over and lose more than you win
December 30th, 2019 at 11:55 am
They will know by the owners meetings and we all will find out in March. Arians was quick to say they are bringing Shaq Barrett back but not so quick with the most important position on the roster.
December 30th, 2019 at 11:56 am
Sure, makes sense, we need time to celebrate the record setting season and soak in the national medias short attention span.
Plenty of time to pay Jameis but Jameis is too famous right now to be bothered with details of actually earning his pay or future pay day.
December 30th, 2019 at 11:59 am
Any QB allowed to keep his jon throwing 30 INTs could put up Jameis numbers. He is not worthy of a new deal. He is a backup at best.
December 30th, 2019 at 11:59 am
Since I couldn’t comment on my phone, just wanted to say if Gay would’ve hit just 1 of 3 FG’s, the game is over and Winston isn’t getting dragged over the coals. Not excusing the INT’s but to say that Winston alone lost the game is absurd. Year 4 of kicking issues, why god have you forsaken us lol
December 30th, 2019 at 11:59 am
Lemme try again (first one apparently was “moderated” (erased) by Joe…..Arians to America’s Grop….errrr, Quarterback….”GTEffOH”
December 30th, 2019 at 12:00 pm
Kansas….”BUT THE KICKER!!!!……”
December 30th, 2019 at 12:00 pm
I love the accountability line, keep in mind Shaq is number 4 in the entire NFL in offsides penalities. Our kicker is trash, 24th in the league in FG % our defense is 30 in passing yards allowed yet they are all good right? Accountability for one but certainly not for all.
December 30th, 2019 at 12:01 pm
Several questions around JW.
1- Sould we keep him?
2-For how much?
3- For how long?
4- Can we replace him?
5-For whom.
I am not a JW hater at all, by I don´t think is a long term answer for bucs organization, and after 5 years I am not pctience anymore and see if somebody can fix him or no…..Just my opinion…..
Lets check on Carr/Newton/Tannehill/Bridgewater/Dalton/Rivers……
December 30th, 2019 at 12:02 pm
You know Joe i keep hearing you qoute Raheem Morris when he said I will keep you until I can replace you. But you forgot Raheem had another quote,Stats are for losers!!!!! not a Jamies hater but forget the stats he is a loser on the field.
December 30th, 2019 at 12:03 pm
Word on the street, is that they already decided!!!!!!!!!!! What will take so long is crafting a way to sell it to the sheep, without having a riot and burn OneBuc to the ground!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! But I have no doubt that the gullible sheep will buy their bill of goods hook, line and sinker!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I warned the sheep, but they always fall for it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
December 30th, 2019 at 12:04 pm
This is exactly what I wanted to hear. No quick decisions. No rush to sign a turnover prone QB. A long, honest, open minded discussion about what to do next. I hope Licht can put his bias aside for the good of the team and the fan base. After that, if they still decide to bring Jameis back then so be it. I wont like it but ill have to live with it.
December 30th, 2019 at 12:05 pm
Good. I’m glad they haven’t made the decision yet. It’s too important of a decision to make the day after the season ends. I’m confident that the more they dig and the more they look at what the other options could be out there that they will see that they’re better off focusing the payroll on players that make impact plays resulting in wins and not the ones that have the highest impact on losses.
Do I want to use another high draft pick on another QB? No, but I also don’t want to be staring down the barrel of another 16 games with Winston under center.
I’d rather sign a Vet QB, use the 1st round pick on an impact player (offense or defense), and draft a QB in the 2nd round.
December 30th, 2019 at 12:06 pm
You knew we can speculate and speak our personal opinions but Arians was with this team all season and I am sure there are things going on that we can’t see. In other words I trust Arians and his decisions with or without Jameis. I saw a lot of fight and potential with this team this year better than I ve seen in a long time. Thanks to Arians
December 30th, 2019 at 12:07 pm
Yeah meet with Matt Gay first and get the playbook back. As far as Winston, I bet we see him back next year….. ugh. Losing QB for a losing franchise.
December 30th, 2019 at 12:09 pm
Please stop dragging Gay and his missed fg’s into this. This was Jameis’s triumph and no one else’s.
He worked his arse off in order to break all those records, his dedication alone offered up his having done this rare 30-30 hero at One Buc Place.
Stop trying to spoil this with Gay issues.
December 30th, 2019 at 12:09 pm
Look at it this way-
Jameis will win 2 games on sheer talent
He’ll lose 4 games on turnovers , if Bucs are lucky
The rest of games, team is good enough to go 7-3
So, you’re going to settle for 9-7 ? And I’m being generous with the turnover effect…
December 30th, 2019 at 12:10 pm
“What happened to the QB JW 6 games before Leftfoots playcalling and BA archaic offense?
He played top 5 QB statistically
Why has he regressed and doubled the 4 yr average total of Ints per year?
and MOST IMPORTANTLY
Why is it that no other 31 teams run this BA archaic offense?
BA and Gump is going to lowball JW3
Jay Segal is going to lose because JW3 wants to stay
1 year $25 million contract another prove it year
You cant win with this offense and Leftfoot. JW3 will again throw alot of Ints and next year will be his last as a Buc”
Kobe Faker
December 30th, 2019 at 12:12 pm
I could go either way on Jameis…….but only the non-exclusive franchise tag or cheaper 2 year deal with 1 year guaranteed…
I could go for bringing in a vet & drafting a QB in the mid rounds……our first pick needs to be a starter….preferably RT….our 2nd pick needs to be a starter….preferably a RB…..
December 30th, 2019 at 12:12 pm
all season it, JW is our guy, he’s our guy
now….no decision made
translation
decision has been made. we can now build and say good riddance
December 30th, 2019 at 12:13 pm
Just let Jameis go so he can go be what he was meant to be with a franchise that actually knows what’s it’s doing. He’s won every where he’s ever been till he got here where we were losers before him and unfortunately will probably be once he leaves as well. I love this team but man they screw up ALOT!!!
December 30th, 2019 at 12:14 pm
It’s time to let Jay Miss walk the plank. It’s the same issues year after year. Sure, he threw for a lot of yards with the best receiving corps in the NFL. However, he continues to make the same mistakes over and over and we’ve watched this abortion for 5 years. Enough is enough! We need a QB who turns it over less than once per game and who doesn’t throw a pic 6 every other game.
December 30th, 2019 at 12:19 pm
I just watched the Int play from OT, man this guy doesn’t look like a 5th year QB. What happen to all those people who said this year is the make it or break it year for JW. Those are the same people who thought he was gonna make it and then say see we told u so but instead they now are saying he needs another year. Funny Fans
December 30th, 2019 at 12:23 pm
@Morgus the Magnificent
Was there not 9 points left on the field by the kicker alone? If 1 of the 3 were mad do we not win the game? Football is a TEAM sport, don’t let your hate cloud your judgement
December 30th, 2019 at 12:23 pm
N-Dog. I don’t get why you are such a blind Winston supporter. Don’t you think Evans and Godwin teamed with a decent qb could produce similar numbers. I think Winston has all the physical skills but not the mental game.
I think Dalton would have the offense ranked in the top 3 with a lot less turnovers. I think Arians would do wonders for most QBs. We are heads in the right direction. Bring back the defense.
December 30th, 2019 at 12:23 pm
Bruce also said…
…that while there was more leeway for Jameis this season, that it is a “performance-based job”, and that there will be a replacement plan ready if Jameis remains in Tampa.
…also that this team “can win with another Quarterback.”
Interesting.
December 30th, 2019 at 12:24 pm
And lets not act like the Bucs playcalling was’t absurd. Like usual, we get a nice lead and come out flat in the half. We gotta stop doing that as well
December 30th, 2019 at 12:24 pm
Question for all the Jameis haters. What is the difference between Peyton Manning’s 100 interceptions in five years and Jameis Winston’s 88 interceptions in five years? Loaded question!
December 30th, 2019 at 12:25 pm
ndog, whining and crying like the little B you are…freaking loser.
Winston lovers are the worst of the worst. Pathetic.
December 30th, 2019 at 12:25 pm
It’s Manning’s record after 5 years vs Winstons.
December 30th, 2019 at 12:29 pm
@Kansas95Buc
No disrespect dude but if your gonna start with the “what if” JW would be way over 30+ ints if the opposing team D doesn’t drop his ints. You have to look at 5 season man his problem is that he believes his own hype “Im ballin” seriously JW what you meant to say is “Im embarrassing”
December 30th, 2019 at 12:30 pm
I can’t wait til the FSU Shills all start screeching non stop all offseason. JoeJameisfan will then start to write very harsh articles about whoever we get to be our QB. and go on and on about why we didn’t keep him when he is riding the bench somewhere else. cause remember to Joe winston is mr entertainment he is his guy and not much else matters.
December 30th, 2019 at 12:30 pm
@ MirrorMirrowOnTheWall Says:
Well Manning actually had led his team to the playoffs twice and had a winning record as a starter after 5 years. And no one was questioning if he was the future of the Colts at the end of year 5.
But he also never was good enough to be a 30-30 man. So Jameis has that!
December 30th, 2019 at 12:30 pm
All people that want the team to move on from Jay-Miss are Bucs fans. Not all people who are rooting for Jay-Miss to come back are Bucs fans. They are Jay-Miss fans.
December 30th, 2019 at 12:33 pm
also the people comparing Manning and Farve to Winston. You guys do realize that back then DBs were allowed to play DB and interceptions were more common where in the modern NFL where you aren’t allowed to breathe on WR’s this number of turnovers is unacceptable.
December 30th, 2019 at 12:34 pm
El Buco Realisto … PLEASE do us a favor Realist and substitute IMO for this ‘Word on the street’ stuff. At least Joe admits he’d like to be a ‘fly on the wall’ for some of these upcoming discussions instead of pretending that he has ‘in-house information’.
December 30th, 2019 at 12:36 pm
Bottom line is that the kicker and QB need to be out of jobs. The decision is actually very easy. We need to pay the Defense and find a competent game manager QB.
December 30th, 2019 at 12:38 pm
Ndog finally said something I can agree with…. well sort of
“Just let Jameis go” the first 4 words of your post anyways.
December 30th, 2019 at 12:38 pm
I’m sorry I was wrong, Manning had led his team to the playoffs 3 of his first 5 years and had a 42-38 Record in the regular season
Winston is 28-44
Also Manning was never suspended by the NFL in his first 5 seasons.
Still he isn’t a 30-30 man!
December 30th, 2019 at 12:40 pm
This team is cursed. 25 years of loosing for one Super Bowl. And we have terrible fans on this website.
December 30th, 2019 at 12:40 pm
@DR
if you have time
Can you do an average of the past JW 4 years (under koetter) vs 2019 season under BA/BL
comparison of the top stats pertaining to QBs
if you have time
December 30th, 2019 at 12:41 pm
BA was confident in saying that we need to do everything possible to bring back S. Barrett and C. Godwin because they PRODUCE! Winston produces too but he produces more interceptions than any other QB to ever play the game and stares down his receivers like crazy. If they do bring Winston back it needs to be on a team friendly contract that takes money away for every turnover he commits. Hell then the Bucs would have a stew of a deal with money being freed up weekly. Hahahaa
December 30th, 2019 at 12:48 pm
He’s won everywhere he’s been? Really NDOG?
He won for two years at an NCAA football factory. High school does not count. As an NFL player he is a LOSER!!! Five freaking years of excuses!!!
And could everyone stop with the absurd five year Manning int totals compared to JW’s. What does that mean?
Here is what counts…
Peyton Manning’s 5 year won lost 42-38 For JW supporters that is a WINNING record!!! He was Pro Bowl 3 of those 5.
Jameis Winston’s 5 year won lost 28-42 Again for JW supporters that is a LOSING record!!! JW was a Pro Bowl alternate one of those years.
I’m a writer. Saying my spelling and grammatical errors occur about the same rate as John Steinbeck’s does not mean I have a Grapes of Wrath inside of me.
Show me the freaking wins!!! One had 42..the other 28
One is a winner…one is a loser…literally…that is the comparison.
December 30th, 2019 at 12:49 pm
Yes the kicker screwed the pooch by for going 0-3 on field goals. Yet, a very important question needs to be answered first. If we had an accurate/ competent quarterback would we need to rely solely on extra points from our kickers or would we maintain a lead without giving it away via turnovers? Let me help you out the answer is No!!!! In a team sport there are always leaders on a team. The quarterback is typically the leader of the offense and the MIKE is typically the leader on defense. Whether they win or loss is dependent on how tel the leaders of the team rallies their teammates. The defense has improved a lot with the limited experience while our offense has decreased over the years. And for anyone who says our defense sucked this year then they have never played football in their life. Our defense was consistently on the field and having to play on their bees from jameis’s interceptions and fumbles. The defensive players are exhausted and played their hearts out. Now only if our QB could do the same.
December 30th, 2019 at 12:57 pm
Arians and Licht are wise to wait a while, that way they can see what QB’s may become available and what their cost will be.
Plus, gives them a little time do research some of the QB’s in the draft.
Waiting to see what their options may be will help them make their decision.
December 30th, 2019 at 12:57 pm
Bruce also said…
…that while there was more leeway for Jameis this season, that it is a “performance-based job”, and that there will be a replacement plan ready if Jameis remains in Tampa.
…also that this team “can win with another Quarterback.”
Interesting.
December 30th, 2019 at 1:01 pm
Hard for me to imagine Sameis Jameis winning a meaningful game. He face plants when the stage gets big. Whether it’s pressure during the season to win a big game, or pressure from a national audience, or simply pressure within a game like going to OT for example. I’ve been pulling for him to stop choking but he simply can’t help himself. I could see the Bucs bringing him back and winning their division (it’s ripe for a changeover) while earning a first round bye with a 12-4 record. If so, I’d expect a meltdown on national TV while throwing three pics at home. How many of you would be surprised by this scenario?
December 30th, 2019 at 1:02 pm
If Gay hit just 1 out of his 3 FGs, just one! Then no one is even talking about an overtime INT…
just sayin
December 30th, 2019 at 1:03 pm
I am a big Jameis supporter but honestly, if bruce decides to get rid of him, I honestly won’t ever think twice about him.
But, he will be back. This is all about leverage. The pick 6 was a blessing in disguise for contract negotiations. Not to mention it bumped us up 3 spots in the draft and scheduled us to play the giants and rams next season. Both are going to suck imo.
I wanted to win. I wanted 8-8. If jameis drove the field and won or if gay made one fg the narrative is different.
The fact is YOU CANNOT GET RID OF 5k YARDS AND 30 TDs! No matter how bad the turnovers are. You can reduce turnovers much easier than increase yards and scoring. Now if we’re assured teh defense is top 10 next year, then I could see letting jameis go but I highly doubt arians is going to opt to bank on eason or some other question mark next season.
Jameis will be back. Period.
December 30th, 2019 at 1:03 pm
Let’s keep jameis out of the convo for a minute.
I do like the approach from Bruce. Evaluate every player. Bucs beat Bucs. Needs to stop. Start with licht and end with the punter.
It’s enough. Every player makes dummy mistakes. We are always top in penalties. Bottom in pass defense. And rushing.
It all has to start with Bruce having the power with the roster. At least getting what he wants. I don’t trust the scouting dept. licht maybe just because of the way he puts together the contracts and the salary cap is very manageable.
December 30th, 2019 at 1:06 pm
Kobe Faker Says:
December 30th, 2019 at 12:10 pm
Why is it that no other 31 teams run this BA archaic offense
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Check your facts, clown. Saints, Cowboys, Browns just to name three off the top of my head run a variation of the Don Coryell/Joe Gibbs offense that Arians runs and placed 3rd in the league statistically. BTW, Ronald Jones ran for a 100 yards. Can you please go away again? You’re more intolerable than turnovers.
December 30th, 2019 at 1:09 pm
As far as jameis , you must consider the 5yrs not just this year. And licht has been there all along. Could of be bad coaching. Bad team. Or simply a bad decision QB with a lot of talent.
Has jameis improve. Yes. Fumbles and throwing the ball away. Has he improve on decision making No.
the biggest factor will be … can he win with the game on the line. So far it’s a 50/50. Everything on evaluating jameis is 50/50. It’s a commitment that ownership has to get involve.
December 30th, 2019 at 1:12 pm
Joe,
Please right an article on JW expected market value now.
my take. No more than a 12 mill prove it deal with incentives….and that’s on the open market. I think he’s gone from here, he’s made BA look the fool.
December 30th, 2019 at 1:14 pm
Go back to previous Super Bowl uniforms and all problems will be solved!
Plus it will be like giving Winston another team throw to!
December 30th, 2019 at 1:14 pm
Jameis is fools gold, I think they already know what direction they are headed.
December 30th, 2019 at 1:20 pm
It doesn’t matter if the kicker lost us the game. Between that & fumbles & pentalties all them mistakes lost us the game.
& None of that changes the fact that Winson had the last possession & a chance to lead us to victory. That’s fact 1 fact 2 is he choked fact 3 is he did the same last week and once more in Week one.
That means he can’t handle the pressure. That’s not what a playoff contending QB does & it’s niave to say otherwise.
Now maybe they bring him back and I’ll support him if they do. But I’ll expect him to get the freaking job done & if he cannot they better have a backup that can step in.
December 30th, 2019 at 1:25 pm
You guys don’t seem to realize that manning and palmer had turnover riddled first seasons under arians. It’s been one year. This is a league of short term memory which inhibits people’s ability to fully grasp the game.
Both Manning and Palmer vastly improved in year two, but they did not lead the league in yards or tds in year one. Manning had 28 ints in year one with bruce as HIS QB COACH. Everyone says manning won though, ya with an average of 15th ranked defense. Jameis has averaged a 30th ranked defense. Don’t even get me started on the run game.
Anyone who doesn’t believe jameis will be back is losing it. Jameis, with half the ints would be the best in the league this season. This was a test year for arians. He’s already gotten rid of cancers like djax/vh3 and even smartly replaced mccoy with suh.
If the defense played like it did the last 5 games all year, we would be in the playoffs. There would also be less interceptions.
You’ll see. JW is just beginning in tampa.
December 30th, 2019 at 1:27 pm
@H8JWLVEBUCS
So my question to you is, knowing we have issues with INT’s, why is coaching not drawing up plays to cut down the TO’s? I mean we can obviously see that he is throwing the ball away more and not taking as many sacks
December 30th, 2019 at 1:31 pm
5 years of tape tells me Winston isn’t a winner in the NFL.
December 30th, 2019 at 1:31 pm
Bye bye Jameis!
Not worth a penny more than $12 million per year.
Cut bait. Less turnovers equal more wins
December 30th, 2019 at 1:32 pm
OMG, after seeing Arians End of season presser today, it’s very simple…
If they are bring Jameis back, FORCE THIS DUDE TO WEAR PRESCRIPTION GOGGLES OR GET CONTACT LENSES!!!!
Geez! Arians Admits Jameis is nearsighted and can “see the guys in front of him”…. That’s doesn’t mean he isn’t seeing coverage as well 15-20 yards down the field!! What the hell man!
I’m had contacts since I was 13 years old. It’s makes a HUGE difference on vision!!!
Put that requirement in his freaken contract!!
NO MORE SQUINTS MAGOO!!
December 30th, 2019 at 1:33 pm
Honestly, what makes me the most disgusted, is the sour puss face they showed on Jameis Winston when Matt Gay missed his FGs.
Please for the love of God show what Gay’s face looked like when Jameis threw his 30th pick of the year, 7th pick six, and game LOSER.
Winston should have been the 1st person to tell Matt, keep your head up.
Might have helped him hit the 33 yard game winner.
December 30th, 2019 at 1:33 pm
Kansas95Buc … Haven’t read very many comments where folks are saying that ‘Winston alone lost the game’. Personally I consider that there are FIVE aspects to a TEAM: Offense, Defense, S/Ts, Coaching & Management. They ALL contribute to winning & losing in some shape or another.
In yesterday’s game for instance …
o Our S/Ts played respectably for the most part EXCEPT for the FG kicking aspect (0-for-3 is NOT a good day).
o Our Defense played respectably also for the most part EXCEPT that they were on the field for 87 defensive snaps as compared to 46 offensive snaps for the Bucs’ offense. That’s a monstrous discrepancy as reflected in the Falcons keeping the ball for 36:22 minutes TOP as opposed to 23:45 minutes TOP for our Bucs. And yes, in that time they gave up 313 passing yards (30 completions on 51 attempts … 58.8%) plus 87 rushing yards on 30 attempts(2.9 YPC), PLUS they sacked Matt Ryan SIX times. And in all those defensive snaps, the Bucs defense held the high-flying Falcons to ONE TD & 5 FGs. The Bucs defense even scored a TD on a fumble recovery. They also racked up 6 sacks, 14 QB Hits, 9 TFLs, 6 PDs & 69 tackles. They also held the Falcons to 7-for-18 on 3rd down conversion and 1-for 3 on 4th down conversions. Not a bad day’s work actually.
o Our high-flying Offense wasn’t quite so productive against the NFL’s 23rd-ranked defense. In our 23:45 minutes TOP we had 201 passing yards (13 completions on 24 attempts … 54.2%) plus 136 rushing yards on 21 attempts (6.5 YPC), but our OLine only allowed ONE sack. They also only allowed ONE QB Hit, but Atlanta did get 2 INTs, 1 FR, 5 TFLs, 5 PDs and 38 tackles. A critical stat IMO is that the Bucs’ offense only managed ONE 1st down in 8 attempts, plus we were 1-for-1 on 4th down conversions.
o Personally I’d give Coaching a D for that game. There was a decent run/pass balance (21 run vs 24 pass) but it wasn’t productive. Going 1-for-8 on 3rd down attempts pretty much tells the story. And as far as I’m concerned, penalties (12-for-97 yards) say as much about coaching as it does about lack of players’ discipline.
The real kicker though was that in the 4th quarter, with the game on the line, all we managed was TWO punts (9 plays), while the Falcons managed TWO FGs (23 plays). Bucs 1st 4th quarter series was for 3 plays … RoJo for 5 yards, followed by holding penalty on Donovan Smith, followed by an illegal forward pass penalty on Jameis (over the LOS), followed by RoJo up the middle for -3 yards followed by a very good punt by Pinion. Our next series totaled 6 plays, and included 3 rushes (1 for a 1st down) plus 3 passes PLUS an intentional grounding penalty on Jameis, followed by another very good punt by Pinion.
Bottom line Kansas95Buc is that we lost the game as a team. Some of our players had a very good game, but some didn’t. Doesn’t matter; a loss is a loss.
December 30th, 2019 at 1:34 pm
Buccernutter Says:
“JW is just beginning in Tampa.”
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You are correct, sir.
I know it’s going to drive some in here bat **## crazy, lol.
But you are correct.
December 30th, 2019 at 1:34 pm
Kansas,
Why does every other QB in the league have less turnovers? How has no other QB thrown for 30 TDs and 30 INTs?
Could the Winston apologists acknowledge that Jameis there 26 net touchdowns this year? (33 passing TDs- 7 INTs for TDs= 26 net TDs)
What about the other five fumbles lost or 23 INts?
35 turnovers in 16 games is more than 2 per game. Not a lot of winning going on when you have to overcome constant mistakes.
Sign me up for a new QB and stop the insanity.
Wake up and smell the turnovers.
December 30th, 2019 at 1:35 pm
Joe, why did you just delete my comment??
December 30th, 2019 at 1:39 pm
TB Demon
I’m gonna probably take a break from jbf when they announce he’s back. The experts are gonna get hostile.
December 30th, 2019 at 1:40 pm
2Defense Rules
The reason I said ‘jamies soley lost the game;’ is because only a handful of people acknowledge that 0-3 in FG did cost us the game. I remember Bucs winning games soley on FG. I might have misspoke and i’ll take that but my point was that while nobody like INT’s lets not act like Jameis lost us the game when he put us in FG position at least
December 30th, 2019 at 1:42 pm
“If jameis had half the turnovers, hes the best in the league”
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The D riders keep repeating this stupid comment but guess what, HE DOESNT have half, he has 30+ turnovers. Deal with facts, not what if’s. Clowns.
December 30th, 2019 at 1:42 pm
But the kicker is right. If Gay went just 1-3 Jameis and the team would have finished the year on a high note. Gay cost Jameis tens of millions of dollars and maybe the Bucs chance at winning another Super Bowl in my lifetime. Gay wasn’t the only problem, I was also disappointed by the defense lack of composure on the last drive celebrating the individual achievements losing focus and once again giving up the game losing (this case OT) drive. Most teams the refs would have recognized the moment and given the team a minute to tuck the ball away or congratulate the player but this courtesy is not given to the Buccaneers.
December 30th, 2019 at 1:43 pm
@SteveK,
I’ll ask you the same question I posed to someone else. Why hasn’t coaching adjusted plays to cut down on the INT’s? The Bucs don’t use a lot of quick routes or plays were Jameis need to throw the ball out faster
December 30th, 2019 at 1:51 pm
I’ll tell you if this franchise keeps Winston, they’ll never sniff the playoffs. The only people that should make happy are Saints, Falcons and Panthers fans. Bucs fans should be p1ssed that ownership doesn’t want to win.
People keep asking how do I know. 5 years of tape on Winston has shown me that he can’t win. I’d love someone who wants Winston resigned to show me how Winston gets this team to the playoffs. If your answer is to cut down on turnovers, I’m going to laugh. 5 years of tape says that’s not going to happen. Better defense? How do you expect the defense to be better when it’s constantly on the field because the offense is turning the ball over? The solution is to get a better QB. It solves lots of problems for this team.
December 30th, 2019 at 1:51 pm
I do not want JW anywhere near Tampa, but there is not a legitimate option in sight for next year. We have never had a QB in training for our future, so here we are. It makes business since to Franchise JW and bet on him showing up and not holding out, which would not benefit JW’s long term aspirations. The only real hope we have is if a veteran approaches Tampa and expressing interest in playing for us, which is highly unlikely. However, keep an eye on Rivers. He would be a few interceptions less than JW, lol.
December 30th, 2019 at 1:52 pm
I really don’t know how the guy goes in that locker room and can look his teammates in the eye after these games.
Does anybody think these other 52 guys aren’t sick and tired of this crap? Most businesses have someone that works there and nobody can figure out how they keep their job. Not only does this clown keep his job, but he makes more than anyone on the team and he goes out and screws everything up on an almost weekly occasion.
That kind of thing wears on a team. Kudos to the defense all season for going out there and grinding when this fool was coughing up the ball on the first possession constantly. It can’t be easy to stay positive.
December 30th, 2019 at 1:56 pm
There shouldn’t be a decision made, at this point we don’t know who may become available through free agency or possibly a trade, I doubt Arians has taken a long look at any of the quarterbacks coming out in the draft. The organization needs to look at the options available, the differences in cost, whether they want to go all in and feel they could win now, or want to build for a shot in 3-5 years. Problem with paying Jameis big money, is we don’t have money to build a defense, oline, improve the running back position. All things we know Jameis hasn’t been able to win without.
December 30th, 2019 at 2:04 pm
Keep in mind the baseline to replace Jameis is 5,000 yards 30+ TDs and the #3 scoring offense in the NFL. Anything other than that will and should be viewed as a failure if we are not in the playoffs. Of course if we get a new QB he will the benefit of a decent defense AND all of his best players at once. Has Jameis ever had that?
December 30th, 2019 at 2:05 pm
Pete I Says:
December 30th, 2019 at 12:30 pm
@ MirrorMirrowOnTheWall Says:
Well Manning actually had led his team to the playoffs twice and had a winning record as a starter after 5 years. And no one was questioning if he was the future of the Colts at the end of year 5.
But he also never was good enough to be a 30-30 man. So Jameis has that!
I am not sure you are aware Pete, but did not answer the question? Are you capable of answering the question?
December 30th, 2019 at 2:07 pm
“Arians said the Bucs showing their hand when they know means “you lose your leverage” when it comes to contract negotiation.” – Joe
So that means they are planning to offer him a contract. Otherwise, there would be no negotiations.
December 30th, 2019 at 2:08 pm
@MirrorMirrowOnTheWall
Manning actually won 2 superbowls. But his age is an issue.
December 30th, 2019 at 2:08 pm
Brandon … I happen to agree with Kobe about the Bucs’ ‘Bombs Away’ offense. We’ve been running a variation of the Don Coryell ‘air attack’ since 2015 IMO (under Koetter & now BA/BL). Saints used to, but they changed their approach considerably IMO after the 2016 season (look at Drew Brees’ passing stats & the Saints rushing stats for 2014-2016 versus 2017-2019). Yes Dallas & Cleveland (plus the Falcons) use a similar system to ours, but their records aren’t any better (even though all 3 have better defenses AND better running games than we do).
Giveaways do seem to be a major thread of commonality in teams using that air attack philosophy. Bucs – 41 giveaways. Browns – 28 giveaways. Falcons – 25 giveaways. Cowboys – 18 giveaways (they had the best record at 8-8 & made the playoffs). BTW, Dallas ranks #18 in Turnover Differential (the real key), while Atlanta ranks #25, Cleveland #26 and Tampa #28.
Bucs had the most giveaways by far (at 41), but that was counter-balanced somewhat by our defense getting 28 takeaways (tied with Pittsburg for 4th most in the NFL). The 3 teams better than us on takeaways (Patriots with 36, Seattle with 32 & Vikings with 31) ALL made the playoffs. None of the teams worse than us in Turnover Differential (Bengals, Panthers, Chargers & Giants) were winning teams. Matter of fact, only the Eagles (#22) in the Bottom 16 teams in terms of Turnover Differential had a winning record.
So yes, the Bombs Away air attack used by those teams is ‘a relic’ and more than likely is a primary reason why Jameis has thrown so many INTs in his career. This is the only system that he’s ever known.
December 30th, 2019 at 2:12 pm
Hate that saying that IF the defense plays good all year then we would be in playoffs.
You can’t magically say how games would of played out under different terms. It’s fairland make believe nonsense……….Just the same I could say that had we gotten better defense the Texans game would have been a do or die scenario. The defense showed up and we lose. So no we are not a playoff team with more defense………In the game of lollipop stories or alternate reality you can make any scenario true.
December 30th, 2019 at 2:14 pm
If our defense plays better all year we win the SuperBowl. Easy to say. And it’s 100% acutate since it’s make pretend
December 30th, 2019 at 2:16 pm
Lose your leverage in contract negotiations, which means he’s about to become a legend at the bank.
A 25 year old QB who just broke every record in your franchise’s history after finally getting real coaching. No brainer here. Ain’t no Andrew Luck in this next draft. This is a matter of can they get him to take 29 $30 mil instead of $35 mil and not if they’re going to pay him.
B. A. looks around the conference. With Brees in his wilight, Rodgers and GB working on smoke and mirrors, and other teams with big issues, this team could go to the Super Bowl or very close next year if youn bring most of these core players along with the QB back, cut the turnovers in half, get a running game and fix the pass defensive problems. He ain’t stupid.
December 30th, 2019 at 2:21 pm
@Ndog … “Keep in mind the baseline to replace Jameis is 5,000 yards 30+ TDs and the #3 scoring offense in the NFL.”
THAT’S not even close to reality Ndog. What virtually every true Bucs’ fan wants is a QB who can WIN. Lamar Jackson threw for 3,127 passing yards … HALF of what Jameis threw for … and is going to the playoffs sporting a 14-2 record. Oh did I forget to mention that the Ravens rushed for 3,296 yards … MORE yards than they passed for.
Point being: It takes a TEAM effort to win, not necessarily a stat-accumulating QB. Jackson BTW passed for 36 TDs in only 401 attempts (with 265 completions) while only throwing SIX INTs. Bigger is not always better, well, at least in passing yardage.
December 30th, 2019 at 2:29 pm
Thank you for having some common sense Defense Rules. Ndog is clearly getting his excuses ready to hate on the next guy simply because he is angry his guy didnt work out.
December 30th, 2019 at 2:30 pm
DR
Meanwhile Jackson accumulated the best rushing stats for a qb in history which is the #1 reason they won lol.
By all means, find us a qb like that in the draft or free agency. But the window is going to be very small once he gets whacked that first time scrambling for yards.
December 30th, 2019 at 2:31 pm
Buccernutter ,
Bingo. Somebody gets it. Arians system brings interceptions out the first year. It would be different if other QBs didn’t have the same issues. Manning’s first year in it was nearly identical, and he’s considered one of the greats of all time.
Also, love the person saying forget about the kicker missing kicks almost every week, particularly in two games that would have made your team 9-7 instead of 7-9. Wonder how Tom Brady would have felt about that had his kicker had the yips in his first three Super Bowls.
December 30th, 2019 at 2:32 pm
DRules- Insightful post re: Air Coryell teams and Interceptions.
December 30th, 2019 at 2:41 pm
Silent I’m guilty of saying forget about the kicker. Not to say we should forget about kicking all together but we should forget about him if QB is the subject at hand. One does not excuse the other & two wrongs don’t make a right. That’s what my mom told me.
Winston choked in OT. Plain and simple. Missed FGs don’t make that any better. Seems many fans fall into some wierd pit that we have to blame just one person. The way I see it both QB and Kicker are problems. Don’t see why it’s such a difficult concept.
So if we fix the kicker does that mean we can suddenly trust Winston to handle the pressure of a last possession? Like he didn’t just choke in babck to back weeks? That’s preposterous
December 30th, 2019 at 2:42 pm
Silent
People also don’t realize it’s much easier to fix turnovers than it is to coach 5k yards and 30 tds. I know they’ll say “it’s been 5 years… blah blah blah” and they’re right. But 4 years in another system, 1 year in a new system, all with a bottom 5 defense and run game. Look what happens when the defense improves to average, 5-3 in 8 games. If the kicker didn’t regress to aguayo, then its 6-2 possibly 7-1 as he missed last week too in a 3 pt game. So then is the narrative all about how bad jameis is? No cuz they’re is no 30 for 30 context the casuals will abuse the next 8 months and they cannot belittle 7-1.
Fact is this guy can and will win when he doesn’t have to compensate for the league’s worst passing defense and run game. Oh and a kicker that makes kicks in the clutch.
Let me ask all of you guys this question, if gay made those kicks vs new york, houston, and atlanta and we’re 10-6, do you resign jameis?!?!?!
December 30th, 2019 at 3:02 pm
NPUPPY talking about penalties but does he realize his boy Winston was the most penalized qb in the league 🤷🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️ Oops I didn’t mean to break that “fact” of yours!
USING THE NPUPPY DEFENSE!!!
December 30th, 2019 at 3:02 pm
I absolutely do not want Winston back! I said at the beginning of the year, playoffs or bust and the answer is Bust! In today’s NFL, young and/or new QBs make an immediate impact. 5 years…… 5 years to prove you can lead this team to the playoffs and Mariota, Goff, Wentz, Prescott, Watson, Mahomes, Allen, and Jackson all have in that time! Want to go the free agent route instead? Fine…. you think Dalton can’t find Evans and Godwin just as well? I’ll take Carr when Gruden moves on from him, or even Stafford. A QB that manages the game and doesn’t lose it will put this team in the playoffs quickly! Hard pass on bringing Winston back!
December 30th, 2019 at 3:03 pm
Buccernutter. Appreciate the fact that your not making excuses. The excuse making is the intolerable part of this debate. You happen to think Winston can improve with INTs. That’s fair and I agree.
What’s bothering me most about Winston right now is that he is crumbling under pressure. Ability to handle pressure is the #1 thing I need in my QB IMO.
Always thought Winston could handle pressure and was the biggest reason I liked him. But I can’t say that right now. He’s blown 3 last possession drives. He’s been downright awful in front of national audiences & he can’t perform well in front of his home crowd.
Right now I have serious doubts he could play well in a playoff game or in a big December game with playoffs on the line.
And despite everybody thinking me a hater I am not. It is a valid critism. If they bring him back I’m cool with it. But I expect the defense to be ready to contend. Winston has to be also…….And he hasn’t proven he can handle it
December 30th, 2019 at 3:04 pm
People want to jettison Winston, and I get it. But you have to look at who they replace him with.
There isn’t anyone better right now.
December 30th, 2019 at 3:05 pm
Jimmy jack- Winston didn’t choke. There is a reason why you are the only person to say that. The CB jumped the out route. Jameis said it was a tipped ball, I haven’t watched it again. I like your post generally. Im not trying to be a D to you.
As far a blaming the kicker or Qb. You are right it’s a little bit of both. Those two and DSmith jumping offside on the last drive in the 4th, the defense celebrating instead of focusing on stopping ATL on that last drive. Plenty of blame to go around. I get talking about the kicker because of the chronology. If Gay makes 1 of 3 There is no overtime. Bucs win.
December 30th, 2019 at 3:11 pm
JimmyJack Says:
“What’s bothering me most about Winston right now is that he is crumbling under pressure. Ability to handle pressure is the #1 thing I need in my QB IMO.”
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Really fair points, JimmyJack, and I have to say that this is something that I have never really been concerned with in Jameis. But these last 2 games have me concerned as well. Could it also be the reason that he throws so many more picks at HOME? (because he wants SO BADLY to do well there, in front of Bucs fans).
I think that he CAN perform under pressure, and has done it many times this year in late game drives. But, it’s a fair point, that concerned me in these last 2 also.
December 30th, 2019 at 3:13 pm
I’m starting to doubt my prediction that Jameis will at the very least get the franchise tag after Arians threw shade on him at his news conference. If Jameis leaves it would help my blood pressure, but what happens if he gets glasses and becomes an all pro? Never a boring off season.
December 30th, 2019 at 3:17 pm
Ya he can’t deal with pressure. It’s probably his biggest flaw and how jittery he is when he starts the game. Sacks, bad d, no run game, and now missing field goals don’t help.
I think one thing people are overlooking is we can win with his turnovers. We could have won with the coin toss vs seattle, we could have won 2 more with gay vs ny and yesterday vs atlanta. The blown call vs the titans could have been a win. Those games are inches and would have been wins outside of jameis’s performance all with no run game and a bottom defense for passing yards allowed. That’s a 11-5 record and then 30 ints are not the spotlight.
I think it’s safe to say that next season he will be back and will be by far the most telling about his future in the nfl if he has a supporting cast.
December 30th, 2019 at 3:17 pm
Buccernutter … Lamar Jackson is also the player others looking at wanted to make into a receiver. But the Ravens saw ‘something’ in him that they obviously liked, and built an offense around those talents & skills. I’ve heard that ‘Oh he’ll have a short career’ bit for as long as I can remember, BUT … (1) I don’t necessarily agree with it because QBs mature with age; and (2) his talents are serving the TEAM very well right now. For all practical purposes, Jackson is a RB who happens to be danged goo at throwing the ball AND protecting it. You can worry about how well we do 5 years down the line if you wish; I’ll take a Super Bowl win today THEN worry about it tomorrow.
December 30th, 2019 at 3:21 pm
“sorry Jameis, you screwed this season and last season. Glazers say goodbye”
December 30th, 2019 at 3:24 pm
Lamar Jackson is not bad for a running back.
December 30th, 2019 at 3:25 pm
Stangglass that’s cool. We ain’t gotta agree. And if I’m wrong Winston will proove it…..Hopefully in Tampa Bay.
And yes if Gay makes 1 of 3 there is no OT. But of course it does the playcalling and the fact of them kicking a FG on 4th down. Could just as easily say Bucs lose 23-22. That’s why I rarely play the If game……One exceptayion being the Tennessee. I still consider that a win. Bucs are 8-8.
December 30th, 2019 at 3:26 pm
DR i mean i agree with that but there hasn’t been a player ever in the nfl even close to him as a dual threat. I’m sorry but vick, montana, or cam are not in the same realm. Good luck finding another.
December 30th, 2019 at 3:26 pm
ya butterfly effect can distinguish any game evaluation.
December 30th, 2019 at 3:34 pm
Ndog: I refuse to get into the JW flame wars. BUT, you have to agree that the defense improved this season especially the last 8 games. They will be a force to be reckoned with come September 2020.
December 30th, 2019 at 3:37 pm
And yes the NY game is defiently a win with better kicking. No butterfly effect on that one since a missed kick ended the game.
The same I’ll say about Winston under pressure we can say about Gay. He hasn’t had to kick a game winner since NY.
But I will not get mad at Gay. Obvisously the Matt Bryant curse still lives. No coincidence the Falcons were the team he had his worst day against.
December 30th, 2019 at 3:38 pm
Stanglassman Says:
“Lamar Jackson is not bad for a running back.”
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Wow man, talk about selling the kid short. He has proven beyond the shadow of a doubt this year that he can throw it at will, and with great accuracy. He is most definitely not just a running back.
December 30th, 2019 at 3:42 pm
Bruce Arians, part NFL Head Coach, part NFL GM, and 100% headed for Canton. I love him. I understand how us fans can be emotionally driven at times saying things we would later on take back. I’m laughable during Bucs games with this as many of you know. There’s no doubt that I wear my emotions on my sleeve. So, with that said, I get how some fans complain about B.A. especially during games. I’m all in with this coaching staff though. Bowles has had this defense up to a level of mediocrity when we were just downright awful in the first half of the year. Got rid of VH3 and the rookies really started to blossom. Lefty has done a great job as O.C. I mean, still a little ways to go, but certainly the light is there at the end of the tunnel. B.A’s resume speaks for itself. I say all that to get to the main point. Right now, B.A. is slapping JW with a little humble pie. You did some amazing things there Jameis but you also did a lot of terrible things. Not much in the middle. While scoring 35 or so points a game is great, when you give away 14 to the opposing team you really got 21. In the end, I think B.A. will be looking around to see if there will be a free agent QB available that he really likes for this offense. I would lean towards that not happening. The fact that B.A. isn’t pining over Jameis return could help out on the financial side of any contract the Bucs would come to with Jameis. We might mostly think franchise tag with Jameis but Licht might be trying to avoid that. Let the games begin!
December 30th, 2019 at 3:42 pm
In other words, “we will re-sign him if he accepts the amount that we offer.”
December 30th, 2019 at 3:43 pm
Demon
pretty sure he’s being sarcastic
December 30th, 2019 at 3:43 pm
Dammit JimmyJack!… I didn’t think of it You are right!! It’s the Matt Bryant curse all over again! It’s why Matt Gay has missed all those kicks against Atlanta. 😉
He is STILL doing it to us. Man, we can never win. (Shaking head)
December 30th, 2019 at 3:45 pm
@Buczilla. I assume you to be the same Buczilla light years ago on the TB Bucs Message Board? What up. I have doubts too about how definite it is Jameis is coming back but I definitely don’t see Bruce going with a rookie and the free agent QB’s sound boo boo. We shall see.
December 30th, 2019 at 3:45 pm
Buccernutter, yes thank you sir, LOL, I just went back and re-read everything. Sorry for the oversight to you guys!
December 30th, 2019 at 3:49 pm
You don’t need to throw for 5000 yards and 30 plus touchdowns in this league to win. You win by not turning the ball over. Allen had the most picks of any of the playoff QBs this year at 15. Face it. You’re not cutting Winston’s turnovers 50%. Five years of tape tells me that isn’t going to happen.
December 30th, 2019 at 3:50 pm
Troy, 30 is FAR and AWAY the most that he has ever had. Is it not reasonable to think that cutting them in half is a reasonable possibility in year 2 with Bruce?
December 30th, 2019 at 3:51 pm
haha all good brotha!
December 30th, 2019 at 3:59 pm
Cutting them in half is absolutely a reasonable possibility no matter what anyone tells you.
December 30th, 2019 at 4:03 pm
I have to agree with those that mentioned Stafford, Dalton or Carr. Certainly Stafford or Carr would light up the scoreboard with Arian’s offense and the skill players. Dalton isn’t as bad as the organization he plays for. Jeff Garcia and Brad Johnson were both examples of “bridge” quarterbacks who didn’t put up great numbers but didn’t lose games like Winston does.
If any of those quarterbacks end up here you will see better communication between the receivers, less interceptions and more time of possesion.
When Arians coached the Cards, Carson Palmer was a rejected ex-Bengal and Arians made him better, any of those 3 quarterbacks would probably be happy to play for a contender, which the Bucs are if they don’t have such a high number of turnovers every year.
December 30th, 2019 at 4:08 pm
Yes Ed not making the playoffs for 13 years straight screams playoff contender. Leading the league in penalities screams playoffs. Having the 24th ranked rushing to help you screams playoffs. Not having one first round olinemen blocking for you screams playoffs. Having a kicker that misses 3 kicks in one game to get you blamed for everything screams playoffs. Having a defense that was ranked 30 in the NFL in passing defense screams playoffs. I mean what QB that has options wouldn’t want to play for that great setup?
December 30th, 2019 at 4:19 pm
Stop avoiding the inevitable and wasting more years; it’s time to move on.
December 30th, 2019 at 4:34 pm
I love Arians and his frank accountability to Gay and Winston that they have to do better at Ray Jay. Probably at least kicking the tires on seeing if there is a better choice.
December 30th, 2019 at 5:03 pm
NPUPPY!!! I take it you’re dropping the penalty excuse since I’ve told you Winston leads all qbs in penalties with 6 overall… what other lies that you spew do I need to expose or leaving out things to help prove your point? Let me know! Remember when you said the other night you schooled me? Yeah, I’m not going anywhere now. I’m gonna ding you on everything you say that’s false.
LOST PUPPY. LAST SEEN FOLLOWING A BLACK BENZ FROM RAY JAY LICENSE PLATE NUMBER “PICK6” IF YOU SEE HER, PUT A LEASH ON HER. SHES HARMLESS.
December 30th, 2019 at 5:07 pm
Winston has never had less than 15 interceptions in a season where he’s played 16 games, but yeah, we’ll make the playoffs for sure with him as the QB. LOL! It’s fantasy to think some sort of magic is now going to happen if you paying this knucklehead a ridiculous amount of money that he doesn’t deserve based on his performance.
December 30th, 2019 at 5:24 pm
NDOG you defend Winston an don’t blame him for any of his 30 picks. That’s ridiculous yes not every pick is his fault but you basically calling out everyone but Winston quit bro
December 30th, 2019 at 5:36 pm
TBDemon- I should of put that Lamar statement in quotes. He said that to the media. There’s a great YouTube video on how he and his parents have had to fight the coaches since peewee to keep him at Qb. It also gets into how many talented Qbs are forced to convert into another position and how seldom it happens to white Qbs. It also gets into how much lower talented black Qbs get drafted and the code words that are used to critique them.
December 30th, 2019 at 5:44 pm
Talib left….finally became a professional, had a great career. Problem for us….he wasn’t doing it while he was here.
What players do elsewhere is irrelevant for me….its what they are doing here. When it comes to Winston….the fanbase anticipates a pick 6 or first possession INT more then they anticipate a win.
That’s a problem reflective of Winston’s 5 yrs of playing. He has talent but its completely neutralized by a constant snowball of turnovers.
December 30th, 2019 at 6:06 pm
Turnovers don’t matter to Jameis lovers
Only yards and td’s.
Losing is the rest of the team’s fault because they all let Jameis down-
Kicker, penalties, receivers’ bad routes, bad pass defense, lack of running game
Coaches call bad plays, Offensive Scheme is poor
Feel better, now?
Delusional, just like Jameis
December 30th, 2019 at 6:10 pm
Ed,
You don’t watch Raider games do you? There is not a more timid QB in the league than Carr. Arians couldn’t win with that guy because he throws off of one read when Arians offense needs the QB to hang in the pocket and go down the field. It’s why Pittsburgh fired him because they thought he was going to get Roethlisberger killed prematurely before his time with all of the hits QBs take in his offense from hanging in the pocket. That sir, is not Derek Carr’s game. Plus, Raider fans complain because he never throws to his receivers (Cooper never got targets when he was there and the most any WR got this year was 8 in one game). Stafford could work, but he’s older and would cost more than Winston. Not to mention, everything you complain about with Winston, what do you think Lion fans do with him?
December 30th, 2019 at 6:13 pm
@cmurda. Naw, Joebucs is the first message board (Facebook isn’t a message board is it?) that I can ever remember posting on. Well, outside of old school stuff like BBS’s and IRC. I’m flattered that someone else thought up the same name as me though. 😀 I am old as sin however, so who the hell knows? Lol, maybe I forgot.
I don’t see a free agent out there better than Jameis either, but if he is looking for good, young, franchise QB money, I’d drop em like a bad habit. He’s worth the franchise tag based solely on his potential and not for anything that he has accomplished. Imho, for example, a healthy Mathew Stafford could have come in here and thrown for over 5k yards with his eyes closed (or even nearsighted) with all the talent that we have at receiver. There are probably a handful of other quarterbacks that could have done it as well and with less turnovers. None of those quarterbacks are free agents or are likely to be free agents though. Bridgewater would get murdered in this offense, Andy Dalton is not good, Eli is pathetic, and Rivers would be worse than Jameis. A younger free agent or some other team’s 2nd or 3rd string guy with experience would be nice to pick up, as well as drafting a kid next year after the first round. I fully expect Jameis to lay an egg again next year, but he has shown enough to deserve another shot.
Sorry for the rambling and lack of paragraphs but I’m stuck on a phone and eyeing my wife to get the hell going. 😁
December 30th, 2019 at 6:13 pm
Yup, let’s not blame Jay Miss for anything. All his interceptions are really immaculate conceptions. He stares down receivers like a junior high school quarterback. He still can’t make good decisions after 5 years of starting. Does anyone really believe Jay MIss turned a corner this year? #30/30 and he throws a GD interception 10 times for every 11 times he throws a TD. That is a ratio that will NEVER amount to squat in the NFL.
December 30th, 2019 at 6:18 pm
Yup, let’s not blame Jay Miss for anything. All his interceptions are really immaculate conceptions. He stares down receivers like a junior high school quarterback. He still can’t make good decisions after 5 years of starting. Does anyone really believe Jay MIss turned a corner this year? #30/30 and he throws a GD interception 10 times for every 11 times he throws a TD. That is a ratio that will NEVER amount to squat in the NFL.
December 30th, 2019 at 7:16 pm
I don’t care care where he goes or what success he might have after he leaves. I just want him gone.
December 30th, 2019 at 7:40 pm
Buccaneer Bonzai Says:
December 30th, 2019 at 2:08 pm
@MirrorMirrowOnTheWall
Manning actually won 2 superbowls. But his age is an issue.
You do realize that you did not answer the question?
December 30th, 2019 at 8:32 pm
Most definitely on Stafford. Stafford and Jameis are incredibly similar except Stafford turns over the ball slightly less but Jameis is way more fleet of foot. I don’t see Stafford as an upgrade but he wouldn’t be much of a downgrade and could come cheaper. If the discount on Stafford isn’t significant, we’d be better off just tagging Jameis.
December 30th, 2019 at 8:57 pm
1bucfan Says:
December 30th, 2019 at 5:24 pm
NDOG you defend Winston an don’t blame him for any of his 30 picks. That’s ridiculous yes not every pick is his fault but you basically calling out everyone but Winston quit bro
Not even close to being true. I said multiple times over the last week that every pick last week were bad throws, with the 3rd one being iffy on Perriman as well, and that Jameis singlehandedly lost us that Houston game. Just more lies coming from your side of the fence without addressing any of the FACTS that I posted.
December 30th, 2019 at 9:02 pm
My gut tells me that Winston will probably be back in 2020. Sounds like Arians is now giving his QB the tough love with the non committal in contract talks at this time. He handled him with kit gloves all season but know not so much. Let him stew awhile. I think that is the right approach. I think they will probably franchise tag him or just sign him to a 1 year deal at around 21-22 million. They aren’t going to do a long term deal until they know for sure that he can get the turnovers down. Not sure if the record would have changed much even if you subtract the last interception of each game he threw one.
49er’s> pick 6. Outcome in doubt. L to W ? (2)
Giants> no difference L (0)
Rams> no difference W (0)
Panthers> no difference L (4)
Titans> no difference L (1)
Cards> no difference W (1)
Saints> no difference L (3)
Falcons> no difference W (1)
Colts> no difference W (2)
Lions> no difference W (0)
Texans> outcome in doubt L to W ? (3)
Falcons> pick 6. outcome in doubt L to W? (1)
That’s 12 interceptions in 12 games. So if Winston would have thrown these (18) picks his team may be 7-9 or 10-6 at best. No playoffs either way this year.
That is why I think you will see them sign him for 2020.
December 30th, 2019 at 9:02 pm
It just hit me, the Super Bowl is here in Tampa next year. It would be such a Bucs move to let him walk then he comes here next February with his new team and wins the freaking Super Bowl. Oh my goodness that would be the worst thing ever, and we’ve had just a few bad things to deal with around here.
December 30th, 2019 at 9:07 pm
@Ndog,
naw. The worst thing would be he comes back with his new team and beats the Bucs and their new QB. lol
Just like Gruden did to the Raiders.
December 30th, 2019 at 9:12 pm
Even worse he comes back WITH Gruden and the Raiders and beat the Bucs in RayJay to win the Superbowl.
Now I don’t think that one is realistic as there is no way were going to the Superbowl if we let Jameis go
December 30th, 2019 at 9:17 pm
NPUPPY!!! I’ve been debunking your “facts” since yesterday! This clown NPUPPY would give Winston over 30 million for the next few seasons I bet.
121 points scored off of Winston turnovers!!! That is facts! The secondary is horrible but let’s give the opponent the ball and except the Bucs d to hold up. What moron is ok with that?
NPUPPY, do you need a breakdown of each game to show you the 121 points???
December 30th, 2019 at 9:20 pm
Just a FYI I ignore liars and those who ignore details or are just to stupid to understand them. So if you want to post @ me don’t lie and deal in reality.
December 30th, 2019 at 9:20 pm
7 pick 6’s for Winston.
7 defensive tds for the Bucs this yr!
Winston lead the league in qb penalties.
Bucs d had a takeaway every game except 1 this year.
Was the Bucs defense bad?… OF COURSE! But giving the opponent the ball 37 or so times surely doesn’t help!
NPUPPY ABOUT TO BRING UP THE LACK OF RUN GAME. HE’LL ALSO BRING UP THR KICKING AS WELL!
December 30th, 2019 at 9:20 pm
You think these Buc fans are bad now. Oh boy if that ever happened they would be jumping off the Sunshine Skyway Bridge.
Tampa Bay Times
Headline
Winston and Gruden lead Raiders over Bucs in SB rematch.
At Raymond James Stadium
December 30th, 2019 at 10:18 pm
Tom Brady was second in Qb penalties. So I guess he sucks too? I heard this repeated today over and over today. What a stupid stat, who cares. Intentionally grounding, a pass thrown beyond the line of scrimmage? I’m more concerned the the Bucs as a team leading the league in pre-snap penalties this year. Those are the things that puts your Qb in a bind and stalls drives.
December 30th, 2019 at 10:32 pm
So we always get some dope comparing Winston to Peyton Manning on this site.
Manning played for 5 coaches and went to the playoffs with all 5. He was successful with Edgerrin James and he was successful when his leading rusher got under 500 yards in a season.
When Peyton Manning was out in 2011, the Colts went from the 4th ranked offense in 2010 to the 30th ranked offense in 2011. When Jameis Winston missed the 1st few games in 2018, our offense was still a very prolific passing offense.
When Peyton went to the Broncos in 2012, the Broncos went from the 23rd ranked offense to the 4th ranked offense.
BUT most of all the difference between Peyton Manning and Jameis Winston is the recognition. Peyton Manning revolutionized how quarterbacks were supposed to play. His command at the line of scrimmage was 2nd to none. He went to the line, reviewed the defense and then called out the play based upon the defense.
Do you watch Winston? He has elite arm talent but it is clear he does not have close to that understanding. He still looks off his receiver less than almost every other NFL quarterback in this league. 7 pick sixes this year.
Please understand what you are saying when you compare them.
Now lets look at some current QB’s and their stats for the 1st 5 years starting:
Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Int
421 663 63.5 5038 41 16
435 727 59.8 4967 20 17
371 634 58.5 4650 29 19
363 602 60.3 4257 22 12
398 592 67.2 4262 32 13
1988 3218 23174 144 77 Stafford
Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Int
379 543 69.8 4166 29 11
406 606 67 4917 25 12
347 540 64.3 4093 27 13
425 606 70.1 4298 30 10
307 444 69.1 3603 26 6
1864 2739 21077 137 52 Cousins
Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Int
312 535 58.3 4042 22 15
345 567 60.8 4090 28 18
282 442 63.8 3504 19 11
244 378 64.6 2992 19 14
380 626 60.7 5109 33 30
1563 2548 19737 121 88 Jameis
Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Int
300 516 58.1 3398 20 13
329 528 62.3 3669 27 16
363 586 61.9 4293 33 20
309 481 64.2 3398 19 17
255 386 66.1 3250 25 7
1556 2497 18008 124 73 Dalton
Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Int
348 599 58.1 3270 21 12
350 573 61.1 3987 32 13
357 560 63.8 3937 28 6
323 515 62.7 3496 22 13
381 553 68.9 4049 19 10
1759 2800 18739 122 54 Carr
Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Int
310 517 60 4051 21 17
280 485 57.7 3869 19 12
292 473 61.7 3379 24 13
262 448 58.5 3127 18 12
296 495 59.8 3837 35 10
1440 2418 18263 117 64 Newton
Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Int
265 434 61.1 3440 16 11
263 451 58.3 2916 22 14
357 571 62.5 3705 28 9
347 566 61.3 4177 29 12
422 615 68.6 4719 32 14
1654 2637 18957 127 60 Ryan
Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Int
252 393 64.1 3118 26 10
257 407 63.1 3357 26 9
285 452 63.1 3475 20 7
329 483 68.1 4024 34 8
353 546 64.7 4219 21 11
1476 2281 18193 127 45 Wilson
Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Int
257 428 60 2971 14 12
315 499 63.1 3613 21 12
306 489 62.6 3622 25 10
312 542 57.6 3610 20 12
317 531 59.7 3817 22 10
1507 2489 17633 102 56 Flacco
Is there one guy on this list that Winston looks better than?
December 30th, 2019 at 10:39 pm
GlassMan!!! You want to get on my short list too?
I said it bc your boy NPUPPY blames penalties on the defense.
Let me know if you want on that list! I’ll start analyzing your bs too and expose you like I do THA PUP!
December 31st, 2019 at 12:47 am
That’s Stanford’s 3-7 year stats. Is that suppose to be the 1st 5 years of each year in the league? First season they started for their team and/or wasn’t injured?
Before the last game and listening too the coach’s interview today I thought Jameis was coming back on a muti year contract. Now I’m thinking they’re going to give him the franchise tag and see how he does another year.
December 31st, 2019 at 8:54 am
Thank you Stanglassman! I was an idiot. I just didn’t go back far enough to realize that you were being playful on the Lamar Jackson comment. Thank you for shouting out, and definitely my bad!
December 31st, 2019 at 9:34 am
Geno there are just so many holes in your post.
If football was strictly about numbers than you would have a point. But that’s just too lazy.
December 31st, 2019 at 3:49 pm
Buccernutter Says:
December 31st, 2019 at 9:34 am
Geno there are just so many holes in your post.
If football was strictly about numbers than you would have a point. But that’s just too lazy.
I actually agree with you that football is not just about the numbers.
I am sorry that I lost you (and maybe others) on the point I was trying to make.
Because the 1st and only point of my post was that guys compare Winston to Manning because of some numbers that they always list on this site. That is absurd.
The 2nd part of the post was about that if you want to be simple minded and compare numbers than Winston does not do well in that comparison either to current QB’s.