Strong Shotgun Game
December 3rd, 2019
Curious numbers.
Here is something Joe found very interesting.
Yes, Joe has chronicled how lame the Bucs run game is. It is frustrating as can be but subpar rushing has been the norm in Tampa Bay for four seasons now.
However, the good people of NFL Films came up with a stat that grabbed Joe’s attention. The Bucs rarely run out of a shotgun formation. P
When the Bucs do run out of a shotgun, the team does damn well, per NFL Films compiling stats for BSPN’s NFL Matchup,
Only three teams have attempted fewer runs from a shotgun than the Bucs. Yet the Bucs run for 6.1 yards per attempt from a shotgun. It’s unclear whether this includes quarterback runs.
Of course, this begs the question: if running when your quarterback under center isn’t getting the job done but running from a shotgun is so effective, why so few attempts from a shotgun?
December 3rd, 2019 at 5:05 pm
I guess the obvious question would be what are Winston’s passing stats out of the shotgun compared to under center.
For instance if his completion rate really suffers under a shotgun formation then you really are not going to run the shotgun very much.
December 3rd, 2019 at 5:17 pm
Geno, I can’t imagine his passing is worse out of the gun. Maybe they are afraid to put him there cause Jensen loves to snap the ball as JW isn’t looking, lol
December 3rd, 2019 at 5:20 pm
Or maybe they don’t want him to see D Smiths whiff blocks
December 3rd, 2019 at 5:28 pm
Note also that with the exception of the Falcons, every team is averaging 4 yards or more per carry from the shotgun.
December 3rd, 2019 at 5:32 pm
jjbucfan
Don’t leave out Dotson ass grabbing and falling down before the de even gets close…. Dotson is scared of contact even more so than scared dexter Jackson….. marpet gets abused more than an actress auditioning for harvey Weinstein but he smiles….
December 3rd, 2019 at 5:34 pm
It catches the opponent off guard the few times they do it. Keep doing it and teams will start game planning to stop the run while in shotgun formation.
December 3rd, 2019 at 5:44 pm
Dewey- then the play action and hit the TE behind the LBs will work, just sayin’
December 3rd, 2019 at 5:44 pm
I wonder how many of those are quarterback runs.
December 3rd, 2019 at 5:49 pm
Here is the deal……our RBs get up a head of stem from the shotgun and hit the very small crease (not hole) made by our Oline……
December 3rd, 2019 at 6:22 pm
The Bucs run very few RPO’s, IMO because Winston has subpar ball skills, some guys are/were magicians with the ball in their hands. At any case, when they do, they tend to have success when they run.
December 3rd, 2019 at 6:24 pm
Screw the Ronald “What’s Pass Blocking” experiment. He couldn’t do it in college, he won’t learn how in the pros.
Sign David Johnson or trade for him in the offseason.
December 3rd, 2019 at 6:24 pm
Early send sorry.. I think, Winston is smart at reading the end, just needs to be smoother with this transition. REMEMBER, RPO’s are triple options, keep the ball with the RB, quick pass or the QB running around end.
December 3rd, 2019 at 6:34 pm
I wonder also Joe if those numbers include QB runs. Jameis Already has 220 yds rushing in 12 games. At that rate he’d have 293 yards rushing on the season, his most yards rushing in any season. Disregarding our WRs, he’s been our most effective rusher by far (4.7 YPC is significantly better than Barber, RoJo or Dare). Personally wish that he’d run more. He’d have a long way to go though to match Lamar Jackson’s 977 yards rushing this year, but then again, Lamar has over 1,000 passing yards less than Jameis. So I guess it all evens out one way or another.
December 3rd, 2019 at 7:11 pm
Defense Rules…..Almost positive those number include QB runs…..Just check out the top three teams. All running QBs.
December 3rd, 2019 at 7:40 pm
The answer is Kareem Hunt- we should have signed him instead of the Browns. He is everything we are looking for. Young, fast, great hands. Can get him on a cheap deal IMO
December 3rd, 2019 at 7:42 pm
If you get a chance check out the video on Buccaneers.com where Devin White is mic’d up. He is sooooo pumped and at point he says I just fed up with this, which clearly means losing. I love it, it’s about time some on the defense actually felt that way.
December 3rd, 2019 at 7:48 pm
DaBux Says:
December 3rd, 2019 at 6:24 pm
Screw the Ronald “What’s Pass Blocking” experiment. He couldn’t do it in college, he won’t learn how in the pros.
Sign David Johnson or trade for him in the offseason.
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You must not watch much football and DEFINITELY don’t play FF. David Johnson is made of glass. NO, No, and NO!
December 3rd, 2019 at 7:59 pm
Whoa whoa jjbuc hold up……..Bruce hadda come in here and get this lockerroom tightened up. That’s a big step in building that elusive culture we always here about.
Talented or not you don’t bring in loose cannons to a team thats been dysfunctional and already had their share of lockerroom problems. You’re trying to figure out what guys your gonna build around and with and which guys gonna relay the proper messages to the team. That parts gotta come first so then you can maybe bring in questionable guys that will be held accountable.
The intangables are just as important as talent bro. Probably more important. If they were the Browns would of licked the Steelers this week cause of all that awesome talent they got. As it is they are 0-2 vs them this year…….Intangables
December 3rd, 2019 at 9:14 pm
Off topic but did anyone notice Wilson’s pregame speech and sideline pep talks last night? Man talk about uninspiring. The guy is a good QB but man oh man is he not good at the rah rah stuff. Not as bad as “eating Ws” but weak nonetheless.
December 3rd, 2019 at 9:24 pm
Prolly includes Winston scrambles, some of which are a thing of beauty and length.
December 3rd, 2019 at 9:37 pm
tmaxcon Says:
December 3rd, 2019 at 5:32 pm
marpet gets abused more than an actress auditioning for harvey Weinstein but he smiles….
Umm, wtf are you talking about? Marpet is a stud. A cornerstone of our O Line. Dude rarely gets abused but loves to finish blocks on the run. Very solid pass protection. Hardly ever hear his name called. Did you mean Donovan Smith? That might make more sense.
December 3rd, 2019 at 9:43 pm
>The Bucs rarely run out of a shotgun formation.
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Joe maybe hasn’t talked about it, but that’s a big part of the predictability of the Bucs’ playcalling that we’ve bantered about in this here forum!
December 3rd, 2019 at 9:45 pm
tmaxcon Says:
“… marpet gets abused more than an actress auditioning for harvey Weinstein….”
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Ouch. That’s a whole bunch of chafing.
December 3rd, 2019 at 10:30 pm
Marpet was best at R Guard
Avg
How did he grade out against a terrible Run D Sun ?
December 3rd, 2019 at 10:45 pm
Watch Peyton’s TDs and get back to me. I can’t believe there are actually fans that don’t understand how special Marpet is. We rarely run left. That’s not Marpet’s fault that he’s not playing RG. That’s his best position but he’s been great and easily our best O Lineman.
December 3rd, 2019 at 11:07 pm
Jimmy- I disagree-dude is getting league minimum and you had 8 games to decide if he was going to be a cancer. Someone was going to take change on him, why not us? So let’s say you are right about this year, how about next year? He is on a 1 year deal. This guy is special. He made a mistake (a bad one) defending his girlfriend. He paid his price. Hopefully it made him grow up.
December 3rd, 2019 at 11:29 pm
Jimmy- If you can guarantee me we take the kid from LSU in the 3rd, I’m on board. LOL. The only thing is, Licht has passed on Hunt and Kamara when we were desperate for a RB. I hear ya about Hunt- I just think he will be cheap, he is still rehabbing his reputation.
December 3rd, 2019 at 11:36 pm
Yeah, I mean the answer to this question is pretty straightforward, like why did the chicken cross the road? Don’t think too hard about it.
Since the Bucs rarely run out of the shotgun, and you are more inclined to expect a pass rather than a run–especially with a predictable OC like Leftwich–chances are you are going to be more effective running out of the gun.
Now, if you start doing this more regularly & your pattern of when to call it becomes more evident, then teams will adjust and shut it down.
The answer to all of this is be less predictable. Leftwich needs to do a better job of baiting defenses to guess wrong by changing tendencies, and that goes much deeper than just when to run & when to pass.
December 4th, 2019 at 1:16 am
Maybe the team analytic stats coach should be fired.
I’m sure they have one out of all that personnel.