Report: Jameis “Financial Requests” Are “Unrealistic”
December 17th, 2019
“Joel, I said ‘nine figures’ not ‘E.J. Biggers.'”
Now this is interesting coming from a respected former NFL executive.
Five minutes into what likely is the most popular football show in the nation, Movin’ The Chains on SiriusXM NFL Radio, co-host and former Jets coach and personnel chief Pat Kirwan changed his tune yesterday on America’s Quarterback, Jameis Winston.
But more intriguing was Kirwan saying he’s hearing Jameis has made impressive financial requests of the Bucs when it comes to a new contract.
Kirwan works behind the scenes on the CBS studio shows on game days, and has many relationships with agents, NFL coaches and front office types.
“I’m at the point with Jameis Winston, I’ll just say this, I think you’re going to have to put the franchise tag on him. I think there’s enough going on there that you’re going to say, well, wait a second,” Kirwan said today. “Do you really want to fire this quarterback? I’m not sure I will do a long term deal with him.
“And I heard some things about what he wants, and I wouldn’t give it to him personally if anything I heard was true this weekend about what his financial requests are; I think it’s unrealistic. But I don’t think I’d let him go if I’m Bruce Arians.”
So what is Jameis and his new super-agent team telling Jason Licht they want to stay wearing pewter and red? Perhaps $100 million guaranteed for three years with a fourth-year option?
Remember, Jared Goff got $110 million guaranteed.
Less than three weeks ago, Kirwan said the Bucs would be wise to offer Jameis a take-it-or-leave-it $10 million contract for next season, while his co-host and former NFL QB Jim Miller said he would move on completely from Jameis because of turnovers and inconsistency.
What a country!
Joe expects Jameis’ agents to ask for the moon knowing full well they’ll get the franchise tag (roughly $27 million next season). A high bar from the Jameis camp sets the negotiation table for 2020 and beyond. Plus, just because Jameis signs the tag, it can still be ripped up if a deal is struck.
December 17th, 2019 at 5:12 am
105 Million = 1 million for each turnover!
Who cares what Jameis asks for it is what he gets that matters. And whatever he gets it will be too much. And only the Bucs will give it to him.
Shrug
December 17th, 2019 at 5:13 am
105 Million = 1 million for each turnover!
Who cares what Jameis asks for it is what he gets that matters. And whatever he gets it will be too much. And only the Bucs will give it to him.
Shrug
December 17th, 2019 at 5:17 am
Barrett before Winston….
December 17th, 2019 at 5:17 am
7 years 49 mil…
and a 6 pack of cigar city jai lai…
toss in a couple big macs for good measure
December 17th, 2019 at 5:18 am
i remember when sapp signed for 6 years 36 mil
December 17th, 2019 at 5:26 am
QB has good year; QB wants more money. Is there anyone who DIDN’T expect this? Duh. No, double Duh.
Of course, there is a certain irony to this whole situation. Bucs have to bring in the largest coaching staff in history to FIX JAMEIS. And they manage to do a pretty good job of it. Their reward? Jameis becomes unaffordable, UNLESS we slap the franchise tag on him. Which at $27 mil is STILL very expensive BTW.
Jameis leaves the Bucs little choice at this point but to franchise tag him PROVIDING the powers that be REALLY want to commit to him long term. Personally I think they do … long-term being 2 years (he’ll get franchise-tagged twice is my guess, only because it’s cheaper than a long-term contract).
It’s that 2-year window IMO that BA is looking through to make the playoffs & make a run for the SB. Jameis gives him the best chance of accomplishing that at this point, PROVIDING that Jameis has a solid TEAM around him. Without a solid OLine, top-tier receiving group, decent running game, and ESPECIALLY a strong defense, we’re a break-even team (at best). We’ve already proven that (with Jameis at the helm).
December 17th, 2019 at 5:27 am
Pete I
Yes it goes without saying that turnovers are an issue with Jameis that still needs to be resolved.
But if you genuinely think that theirs not another organization in the league that’s willing to offer a big contract to Jameis, you’re just flat out wrong.
The guy is putting up prolific numbers from a production standpoint, this year as well as his whole career. And the most important aspect to consider? He’s 25!
By the time Joe Burrows rookie NFL season ends he’ll already be 24. And Jameis will have a full 5 seasons of NFL experience by that point. All this to say, Jameis is still just reaching his prime. If Jameis has 2 more 400 yard passing games this season, he’ll have thrown for 20,000 yards. At 25!
You’re crazy if you dont think he’ll be starting for an NFL team next season. Even if it’s not the Bucs. But it will be the Bucs. So get used to it, and start actively rooting for his success.
December 17th, 2019 at 5:40 am
IF the Bucs slap the franchise tag on Jameis for 2020, it’s still not a one-size-fits-all. There’s exclusive & non-exclusive franchise tags, or even a transition tag that MIGHT be used. And yes, the player CAN be traded even if playing under a franchise tag, but the ‘cost’ depends on which type of tag is used. NFL.com has a good rundown on the options it looks like …
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001018213/article/franchise-tag-prime-teams-can-start-tagging-players
December 17th, 2019 at 5:44 am
I would offer him a 2-year Extention 50m with 30m guaranteed or I would tag him and wait.
December 17th, 2019 at 5:47 am
This has to be propaganda. 10 Mill take it or leave is an azz-pull figure. This will stir up some controversy.
December 17th, 2019 at 5:48 am
Jameis needs to do whatever he can to keep that defense together for at least one more year also knowing that they need to re-up with Chris Godwin. He better take a page from ME who has sacrificed his earnings and career to stay in Tampa
December 17th, 2019 at 5:55 am
That franchise tag… it’s a beautiful thing when you want to Lockdown a player that deserves it. First with Shaq, who absolutely deserves it. BA and GM Licky licky are pretty much committed to handing Shaq a contract next year. Shaq says he wants to be here next year. So.. pay the man the franchise tag money, without the franchise tag! He EARNED it. Point is, Franchise tag on him would be an absolute waste of a franchise tag. That being said… I’ll indulge in an article written about a broadcasters opinion, from a guy he knows, who represents a QB that is still a question mark, regarding a decision about how much that player deserves…
December 17th, 2019 at 6:01 am
jameis should sign for 5 years 125 mil and stfu…
100 mil guaranteed
December 17th, 2019 at 6:02 am
He’s going to play the Kirk Cousins game….Id tag and trade him if there’s a top pick offered and a QB we like.
December 17th, 2019 at 6:03 am
toss in licht’s sweaty burgundy sports coat, pictured above, with the stinky pits, if jameis starts beefin’
December 17th, 2019 at 6:06 am
let’s see what he does against houston at home this saturday…
what if the bucs get housed 34-17, and jameis implodes and tosses 4 picks and 1 td…then what???
December 17th, 2019 at 6:07 am
however… i think the bucs win 34-23 saturday
December 17th, 2019 at 6:08 am
$10m take it or leave it is completely unrealistic. Miller is a twit.
If Jameis wants 3 years, $100m, that is just over $33m per year.
At $27m, the franchise tag is currently cheaper.
A Con to the franchise tag is that the average QB contract is going to be higher next year (and the year after).
A Pro to the franchise tag (besides being cheaper) is the point that Joe made earlier this year…it buys time for the CBA to be worked out, and there are some good salary items working there way into it.
Here’s the other thing: What if Barrett decides he wants too much? We might need to tag him instead.
December 17th, 2019 at 6:12 am
I realized something after the last game…we’re .500 with only two games left in the season!
We’re playing meaningful football in December! We cannot make the p!ayoffs, but we can have our first winning season in 9 years! That would make us look forward to next year.
December 17th, 2019 at 6:19 am
“Meaningful football”?? You mean meaningful as far as draft position (which we are totally effing up)
December 17th, 2019 at 6:19 am
If I remember correctly Jamies Winston has played lights out the last few games of every season he’s been here. That being said next season he will have a good defense behind him for the first time in his career. That only means that he gets red hot at the perfect time and in playoff contention the sky’s the limit for him. The front office knows this and he will get paid top 10 money.
December 17th, 2019 at 6:20 am
Bonzai, weren’t we 9-7 just a couple years agp? Koetter’s first year.
December 17th, 2019 at 6:21 am
…its moneyball. What’s his on base %… hits a lot of homeruns, strikes out an awful lot, doesn’t get on base very much, is Fitzmagic available next year?… he throws touchdowns and interceptions just as good as Winston, and a heck of a lot cheaper! Winston’s agent… if this third hand knowledge is true, is using a back channel method to hype his player. I’d do the same thing. Franchise tag means more money, my job as an agent is to GET MORE MONEY! There’s a Jerry Maguire reference somewhere here… anywho… franchise tag? Yes, if we want to lock him down for a single year… no, if he wants to have a multiyear contract. Regardless of his many accomplishments this year, hes still just the starting qb that has never made it to the playoffs.. still the league leader in INTs, and still a “?” In terms of his future with the bucs. Moneyball and Elsa say, let him go. Next game tho.. if he manages to put up a stellar game with only his 3rd, 5th, and 6th string receivers… and it somehow results in a win… it would leave absolutely zero doubt about Jameis. Pay the man! But dont pay him too much, to where it takes away from the other players that deserve a paycheck as well.
December 17th, 2019 at 6:24 am
Needing to be re-signed:
• Jameis
• Barrett
• Suh
• JPP
• Nassib
• Perriman
• Barber
• Minter
• Hudson
Chris Godwin is NOT a free agent, and it makes no sense to spend money where you do not have to…so let him play out his contract. It’s not like he can leave.
Not only do we need a new Right Tackle, but nearly all of the offensive line depth are free agents:
• Wells
• Liedtke
• Watford
• Hawkins
December 17th, 2019 at 6:25 am
@gilhealy
I forgot about that!
December 17th, 2019 at 6:28 am
I was really hoping Jameis would take a Brady-like deal, which in this market is about $25 mil/yr. This would allow the team more money to keep players like Shaq, Suh, JPP, Perriman and Godwin. But if this info is accurate, he’s looking to go the Brees route which if the Bucs oblige him, means just about every year moving forward we’ll be in the bottom 5 in cap space. Oh well, wishful thinking.
December 17th, 2019 at 6:33 am
Here’s what I think:
• Jameis’ agent had to start high. That’s Negotiating 101.
• Wherever he is next year, Jameis wants to win. If that means taking less money to increase those chances, he’ll do it…within reason.
If a deal is done, I expect around $110 million for 4 years, with 2 years guaranteed. That works out to just slightly more than this years QB cap hit per year, and it would be a deal for the team.
December 17th, 2019 at 6:34 am
The Bucs won the Superbowl with a ‘good’ QB. Improve the defense and get a smarter QB at a more reasonable salary. Need to boast the o-line and get a RB.
December 17th, 2019 at 6:35 am
I said this before last year, we should have locked him up then and everyone on this board laughed at me. Think about it, the guy gets basically zero endorsement money, unlike most other top QBs, he’s had to deal with constantly hearing people saying he’s trash, he’s should be cut, he’s a turnover machine and so on and so on. So now, NOW people act like he owes them something?!?!?!?! Listen I am a Bucs fan first and foremost, thus why I said sign him last year when we had the leverage, but to not see this through his lens is just crazy and poor foresight on the franchises part.
All that being said, to be honest this coming two guys that have been down on Jameis from the jump it doesn’t surprise me one bit to hear this come from them. After all yesterday it was all positive talk about Jameis they couldn’t let that happen now could they?
December 17th, 2019 at 6:43 am
If they sign him for that kind of money then you might as well forget about trying to build a team around him. Kind of hard to do when you pay your QB 15 -20% of the allowable cap money. He thinks it’s tough now wait till we can only pay a handful of players large contracts. It leaves no room to get better on talent or even reward players coming off initial rookie contracts. We’ll probably will have to let Shaq move on.
December 17th, 2019 at 6:46 am
If you start negotiations with an unrealistic number, you’re doing it wrong.
December 17th, 2019 at 6:46 am
Gotta pay up for those pick-sixes! It costs money to keep both teams in the game, week after week. Mediocrity forever!
December 17th, 2019 at 6:47 am
I can’t believe the roller-coaster ride fans are put through!
Does 7-7 erase years of bad football? I mean is that our bar?! .500?! Those are pathetic standards!
How about we let the season finish before deciding on the fate of Jameis? Jameis, for his ENTIRE career has done this: MOMENTS of brilliance. He has yet to do it consistently, EVER! Mind you, he didn’t win those games on his own and without the help of an improved defense.
As a businessman, there is no way I would sign him long-term. He has yet to prove that he can play consistently. Make him prove it.
December 17th, 2019 at 6:48 am
*don’t start negotiations
December 17th, 2019 at 6:48 am
He’s not taking 2-3 years. He’s not taking less than $30M per. Jameis holds all the cards. He’ll get at least that from one of the ten teams that are desperate for a QB. Best matches: Bears, Chargers. He will win a SB decades before the Bucs win their next one.
December 17th, 2019 at 6:48 am
The lack of endorsements can only be blamed by n one person.
I remember this guy who was elected to a high level executive position who once said “at some point I think you’ve made enough money.”
Society’s socialists become capitalists when its their favorite athletes. Run a business and make a lot of money, they want the govt to penalize that person. Be like, say LeBron James(another of society’s socialist) and those same folks cheer at his success.
Jameis is already set for life. He either wants to win or wants a lot of money. Reality can’t provide both.
December 17th, 2019 at 6:49 am
Ndog nailed it…
December 17th, 2019 at 6:52 am
Winston’s agent is likely thinking the CBA will create opportunities for even higher payouts….the CBA is up for renewal in a year or so. If I’m Winston’s agent, we play the franchise tag game like Cousins did and wait for the new CBA. If we go two years, he’s made $55 million guaranteed…he’s 27 and now can negotiate with the entire league for the absolute max deal. I believe we’ve seen the best and worst of Winston in Tampa….the agreed upon minimum value is the franchise tag. Its not going to be worse.
The Glazers know everything there is to know about Winston….they have a value on him and if the gap is too far, tag him this year…..while taking a hard look at QBs in the draft for this year and next. If the compensation is a slew of picks, maybe there’s a QB you move on to.
December 17th, 2019 at 6:52 am
The loss of any chance at endorsements stems from putting his hands on what could be classified as a last chance girl. That chick you try to pick up when all else has failed that night.
Calling a high class escort(or two) would have been way cheaper. Unless you’re broke warren Sapp and can’t pay.
December 17th, 2019 at 6:54 am
Wow. Moderation for what Joe?
December 17th, 2019 at 6:57 am
Kirwan “heard some things about what he wants.”
From where?
From who?
How much was it?
Didn’t he also “hear” that JPP would never take another snap in the NFL?
Sorry gang, but unsubstantiated rumors don’t cut it. This kind of blather sounds more like an issue of People magazine or a daytime soap opera.
December 17th, 2019 at 6:58 am
We have missed on too many draft picks to have a really good team without paying high prices for FAs…..that’s the problem.
We can’t afford to pay Jameis too much & 30+ million per year is too much….
Either we franchise him or offer him a deal that is near franchise dollars…
That will save $5 or $6 million for other players.
It serves no purpose to whine about what should have been done.
I think the goal is to draft a couple of player that can start and replace players making large salaries. We also need a RB.
December 17th, 2019 at 6:58 am
Please stop with the 2 to 3 year deals. Make it a 6yr deal averaging 27 million a year. Hear is the reason why. You can structure the contract so it is only guaranteed for 2 to 3 years. If he stops improving you cut him after 2 to 3 years. No cap hit. If he is lighting it up you have a bargin in year 4, 5, 6. When starting QBs are making 45 million a year.
December 17th, 2019 at 7:02 am
With ridiculous demands, an Andy Dalton- or Philip Rivers-type makes more sense.
Spending all the cap $$$ on one player and letting other stellar players go— especially on D which has a far lesser payroll as it is—makes no sense for the TEAM.
Yes Winston has the stats and done well, but he also has amazing weapons around him.
Does anyone here think Winston could do as well with inferior talent around him, or offensive coaches not as adept or aggressive as what he’s had in Tampa?
December 17th, 2019 at 7:03 am
Bucs should do everything they can to sign Jamies to a long term contract
December 17th, 2019 at 7:03 am
Jean- we’re all about stats around here. Not wins and losses.
Paying JW a large amount of money somehow vindicates the loyalists and the blind discounting of the root of this teams failures. I keep hearing how he’ll go on to win a super bowl somewhere else. Ok. How do you know that?
Can he win 6? I know of a guy who has six and signs team friendly deals to win. How is it that the GOAT is paid less than underperformers? Oh I know- in order to win consistently you have to be able to afford your supporting cast.
For people who claim to be so football savvy, they sure lack foresight to see that the things they blame for Winston’s failure cannot and will not be fully funded when he gobbles the lions share of the cap. At least we can ride the stats train though.
December 17th, 2019 at 7:09 am
Tag Shaw if you need to. I’d use the transition tag in Winston . Then you only pay what another team is willing to offer him
December 17th, 2019 at 7:10 am
Slugglife….what a jerk you are…..not only do you insert political BS into your lame posts but you conveniently omit the fact that Brady’s wife earns more $$$ than he does so he can afford to be magnanimous.
December 17th, 2019 at 7:12 am
Shaq*
December 17th, 2019 at 7:12 am
Bolby….you must be an awful gambler…..Bucs would get cleaned.
December 17th, 2019 at 7:12 am
All this talk about Super Bowls. When’s the last time we even won the NFC South? Been a while, but if you just throw more money at the QB position, I guess the division title is guaranteed.
And why so scared JW will win a SB somewhere else? Why try to hold him back from his money and his ring? A bit selfish isn’t it? Marino was pretty damn good too. No ring. Not sure why him winning the ring somewhere else is such an issue for our fans. Somebody wins the SB every year and it hasn’t been us since 2002.
December 17th, 2019 at 7:15 am
The Bucs will sign Jameis
Whether it’s 1 year or 5-7 years, it will be a $30 million cap hit.
Then Bucs will have to make choices.
Tough decisions on players like JPP, Brate, Suh…
IMO, DLine is priority after Jameis, and then draft OLinemen, 2-3 in 1st 5 rounds.
December 17th, 2019 at 7:15 am
I put whatever I want in my posts. Maybe the societal issues I speak of hit close to home for you. If they didn’t, you probably wouldn’t have responded.
A jerk is the least thing I’ve been called here. Thanks for that. As for lame posts, for you to throw that out there would mean you have plans to step up your game.
And the GOAT has kept it clean his entire career, besides you preferred pronoun users calling him out for kissing his son.
December 17th, 2019 at 7:18 am
So he’s been able to make mad money from endorsements because he’s not in the news for inappropriate behavior. And so he’s got a rich wife who’s smoking hot. Pretty sure he has enough of his own money and knows the recipe for winning big games.
You do realize that’s what drives this business right? Not stats, but winning. Are you tired of winning yet? Me neither.
December 17th, 2019 at 7:18 am
Slugglife. Judging a QB, who has been incredibly productive, for wins/losses is asinine!
The facts are the facts. The defense has by and large been terrible during Jameis’ time here. The last 6 games, as well as 2016, are a perfect example showing that when given an average defense, we win games.
Not a historic defense. Not a great defense or even a good one. A league average defense. And we can win games. People seem to have forgotten that Pat Mahomes was sitting on the bench while the Cheifs were SB contenders his rookie year. And that the Texans were a playoff team before drafting Deshaun Watson.
Jameis was drafted to a 2-14 team that was the worst in the league. Judging him or any other QB in the league by wins, especially in that situation, is incredibly stupid.
December 17th, 2019 at 7:18 am
Keep in mind with the current CBA, the Bucs have 2 tags. The franchise tag and the transitional tag. The transitional tag requires the acquiring club to give 2 #1 draft picks.
I see the Bucs applying both, if needed. However, my sense tells me that the Bucs will sign Barrett to a 3-4 year deal. If they apply the transition tag to Winston and dont match the offer he gets (market unknown), then we could use our #1 picks to move up and get Joe Burrow. Paying Winston too much will make it impossible to keep Perriman and some of the DEF line players up for renewal. I think JPP is gone and he is over 30. Winston will show his colors soon and we fans will know if he is a TEAM guy or just another greedy NFL QB.
Bucs fans should exhale as this not as bad as it seems. Winston is playing poker and the marketplace will dictate what happens to him. If its strong for him, then he will have more position but think about what team is willing to pay him 30 million plus for having as many turnovers as he does. I think the market will be softer than anticipated as the new CBA will be completed after next year.
December 17th, 2019 at 7:20 am
Also the cap continues to go up every year. You can absolutely build an average/ good defense while paying a QB.
December 17th, 2019 at 7:23 am
Should have extended him when we had leverage about week 6….
December 17th, 2019 at 7:26 am
Awshbucs-agree 100%.
The supporting elements of this team will not be in place if we have to depend on low budget trench warfare. JW makes football enjoyable to watch. He’s exciting, dramatic, and cardiac arrest inducing.
But without investing money in the Defense and Oline, we will be talking draft early November every year. It’s a numbers game, not a favorite player game. This fan base has been the red headed step children for too long. This year we get to hang out hats on the passing title. Well done JW and Offense. This win is going to start pricing us out of good players while our season was over after 8 games.
I’ll still watch the Bucs. But next year we will be right here talking about the same thing.
December 17th, 2019 at 7:29 am
The 49ers are paying Jimmy Garrapolo big money and that hasn’t stopped them from building dominant lines..
December 17th, 2019 at 7:31 am
Don’t blame Jameis at all for trying to break the bank! He deserves it and the Bucs deserve it!
December 17th, 2019 at 7:33 am
Jameis promised to take the Bucs to the Superbowl the day he was drafted, so he can’t go anywhere until he does that…cause he promised.
December 17th, 2019 at 7:34 am
#1 picks historically go to the team with the worst record. Comes with the territory. While being a great title to have, it also puts you behind the 8 ball.
The team has been mismanaged for sure. But you cannot expect your defense to bail out your offense all the time.The opposing team is also stacked with the best pros on the planet. Our defense is on the field way too much with too little time to rest between possessions. That’s due to quick turnovers. Blame lies everywhere.
If your coworker constantly put you ina position to fail, would you be mad at the boss for giving him a massive raise, then telling you we don’t want to lose him to another company? Not me.
December 17th, 2019 at 7:35 am
Oh yeah. The 9ers. That team that was supposed to be hot garbage- as labeled by these football geniuses here. A guaranteed win they said. Yeah.
December 17th, 2019 at 7:40 am
Just wait till the end of the season, when the Bucs are 7-9. It is much easier to deal with a QB from a losing team over a QB with an inflated head because of yardage stats that mean less than wins in hind sight.
I would still like to see Ryan griffin get at least a half of football under his belt. It might make some worthwhile perspective to have. Jameis is not worth much in my book but I understand, the NFL is screwy and who can do what seems almost random. Top picks don’t usually live up to that mark.
December 17th, 2019 at 7:41 am
Janice is due for an implosion. But the rest of the season play out.
December 17th, 2019 at 7:41 am
Moral victories are better than no victory at all it seems.
Yes we get what we deserve. Because we live for moral victory.
December 17th, 2019 at 7:43 am
Craig
Nothing means more than stats here. It’s our “moral victory.”
December 17th, 2019 at 7:47 am
Tag him, draft a QB, give yourself options. Jameis is a FA, so is Griffen, both he, and Gabbert are garbage, draft a QB. Jalen Hurts will be there when we pick in the first round, take him. He’s played for two big time programs, and got better as his career went on. Been coached by two great coaches, playing in the biggest games, mobile, good character, can put gadget plays in for him as a rookie, draft him. Right tackle, D end, second, third round, RB, then back to the trenches.
December 17th, 2019 at 7:49 am
If the Bucs don’t re sign Suh and JPP, then Barrett will not be as effective.
That’s why Bucs have to prioritize DLine.
IMO, if Bucs draft a stud OT in 1st round, and draft a rb in 3rd or 4th round, then they will be ok without Brate or Barber.
There is no way Bucs let Jameis go somewhere else
December 17th, 2019 at 7:52 am
Hard to say RG4 is garbage. We have no idea what we have in him. He’s been sitting behind a #1 draft pick. Had we made the playoffs and JW broke his thumb, we’d be in no mans land as far as what to expect.
That’s been pure negligence on the coach.
December 17th, 2019 at 7:54 am
Great. Griffin is a FA. Now he can go win a SB with another team.
Bucslife.
December 17th, 2019 at 7:59 am
The logic of over paying Winston for 5 rs of inconsistency in play, interceptions and fumbles is ludicrous. Its like the Bucs are acting like they’re being held hostage and their holding the gun to their own head. They never have a legitimate plan.
December 17th, 2019 at 8:01 am
Here we go with the rumors…
December 17th, 2019 at 8:01 am
Whatever they do, they still need to draft young quarterback because even though Jameis hasn’t missed many games, he has been sacked alot and will at some point get hurt. Work on signing Barrett first and if Winston will take a cap friendly deal for 4 years, fine, if he wants to be paid like a Top 5 quarterback, which would hinder the team’s salary cap, then he could be franchised while the Bucs and the agent work on a cap friendly deal.
He’s been very good since the Bucs have missed the playoffs again but earlier in the season when the games were meaningful he was not good in losses to Giants (3-11), Panthers (5-9), Titans (8-6). He didn’t fare that well vs a very good Saints defense, losing both games to division rival.
Overall Jameis has played well in wins against mediocre teams with only win vs winning team was Rams. Total records of teams Bucs beat- 36-60.
Bucs have lost to some good teams- Nines, Saints and Seahawks are all 11 win teams and Titans are an 8 win team. But losing to the Giants and Panthers were both games that Jameis didn’t play well in, all games earlier in the season when the divisions and wild card berths were available.
Teams Bucs beat- 36-60. Teams beat Bucs- 49-25.
If you are Jameis agent, you have yards/touchdowns as your cards to play. If you are the Bucs you have losing records over 5 years and most turnovers in the league.
Just like everyone says, this is a hot/cold, great/bad quarterback. Can this cat change his his stripes is the 100 million dollar question.
December 17th, 2019 at 8:08 am
$100+ M deals for people with Jameis behavioral track record are why major sports are sagging in popularity and only propped up by TV contracts. That is generational wealth, making Jameis one of the long term most powerful and influential people in Tampa. Is that wise? For a guy that isn’t allowed to ride in an Uber because he can’t check himself.
Another question for ownership, though old fashioned, is does it sell tickets and merchandise to have him here long term? There are a LOT of people in this town that watch football and don’t back this guy, especially parents of young girls. Why should they?
The franchise tag, although still stupidly high money, is still the best option… not just to get one more “prove it” season but to get one more “I’ve grown up” off-season.
December 17th, 2019 at 8:13 am
The Bucs front office has enough information about Jameis to decide if they sign him long term or cut ties. I think the franchise tag w/ Jameis would be the worst thing they could do. If we franchise tag Jameis at this point you are telling the team and the entire league that after 5 years, we still can’t decide. That would be very bad imo. The Bucs as an organization should know if they are all aboard or not at this point. Now when evaluating Shaq, that is a little trickier. He has had one season as a starter and boy has he produced. I’d like to see us sign him to a multiple year contract (if the price makes sense) but the franchise tag is ok too because the sample size is much smaller than what we have with Jameis. All in all, imo Jameis deserves a longterm contract. I just hope he will be reasonable and recognize that this organization has many mouths to feed.
December 17th, 2019 at 8:28 am
Jameis 1 of 1 is so enamored by Jameis that there now is no negotiating a fair and team friendly contract. With Jason out there with his burner account crushing anyone with a dissenting opinion about Jameis did a disservice to himself and the Bucs and painted himself into a corner. Jameis knows Jason would give up his right nut for him, and now Team Jameis is going to play hardball and milk us for every penny we can muster. WTG our fearless GM.
December 17th, 2019 at 8:47 am
I say 6 year – 150 mil – 1st 3 years guaranteed
plus 1 mil bonus each year he makes the playoffs
and a promise to sign Godwin to a long extension
December 17th, 2019 at 8:59 am
^^^so basically $50,000,000.00 a year? …smh
December 17th, 2019 at 9:01 am
Slugg… you have been pretty good with your posts but get facts straight. The Bucs are very good in TOP, yards per drive and scoring % per drive. Defense is not on the field too much even with a total inability to run the ball. Lots of reasons, but the Defense is a gambling style that doesn’t allow the run so they get turnovers and give up big plays. This is anti Mike smith whose was scared of the big play but the opposing offense could hold the ball forever.
December 17th, 2019 at 9:12 am
TOP you speak of is most like the avg. per game. Fair enough.
Now individually, the games we got beat up, with multiple Ints I’d wager that the TOP was not in our favor. When the defense holds a team to a FG on a short field and is back there after 2 plays, it’s demoralizing and fatiguing. This our 4th qtr issues.
The TOP doesn’t show the dynamic of each game and how turnovers or 3 and outs affected the defense in individual games. I don’t argue your point, but to use avg TOP is not accurate.
December 17th, 2019 at 9:21 am
4 year 110 mil with a deduction of every int over 15 one mil deducted from salary. For the whole contract, the contract could read 4 year at 70 mil when its done.
December 17th, 2019 at 9:24 am
but.. to the point of this post… Kirwan will do whatever he can to shade Winston to the negative. He was an MM guy from the jump in a big way. He and Dirk seem to be really tight and I fully believe there was tension between Dirk and Winston.
The other thing anything more than $10M a season and Kirwan will call that exorbitant.
Being said, this is the problem with gambling on player salaries when a player is playing good. At this point, Winston is playing good so he has some serious chips. I don’t throw shade on a guy for wanting a ton of money but I’m not moving off of the deal I proposed before the last two games.
5 years, $25 mil signing bonus, 3 guaranteed years with of $18M, $21M, $23M then team option for last two years at $30M and $33M. This is mutually beneficial for both, the last two seasons will be competitive with the top tier of QB’s, but can be renegotiated if necessary. Also, the front end is not so cap restrictive. The other thing is the big jump happens after the new CBA (this fact will play a major role in Winston’s deal, having options post that CBA are important to both sides) Also, the agent can go yell and scream about his 5 year $150M deal he just got for his client, when it is about the signing bonus and the first three seasons.
December 17th, 2019 at 9:25 am
Kirwan speculating. Does anyone really think team glazer won’t pull out the check book if their QB they drafted leads the league in passing yards and maybe TDs? Please..
December 17th, 2019 at 9:30 am
2year deal with 50mil guaranteed with a 3rd year option at 35mil….
has goff, wentz, russell wilson every lead the league in INTs?
have they made the SB on their rookie contract?
i would ask JW those 2 questions if he ask for 100mil guaranteed….
GO BUCS!!!!!
December 17th, 2019 at 9:40 am
Slugg,.. Looked a ton in the TOP stats. I thought it was odd how well the Bucs did on this, but it goes to the style of defense more than the efficiency of offense.
Winston’s passing numbers on yards, TD’s and TO’s are skewed because of the the number of drives the Buc’s offense gets in a game. This is because of two things. The Bucs can’t run the ball and the Bucs defense is designed to stop the run, create turnovers so it gives up huge plays as well. They won’t be on the field very long ever. Tampa leads the league in number of drives.
To me this speaks to the necessity of the running game. This will shorten the game. Its been fun watching Winston throw for 450 plus but this will also lead to multiple INT games.
This was a great learning year for Winston and Leftwich. I think they both made huge strides. Winston had two little dump passes to Barber on the drive that Gay hit the upright. Both resulted in 9 yard or so gains. Not taking the sack, not pushing the ball down field. This is growth. Now, get a good back that makes stuff happen and he will trust that more.
December 17th, 2019 at 9:48 am
Agree. I love to watch a punishing ground game. Unfortunately, I have to watch other teams to get that satisfaction.
JW could probably still hit 4500 yds a season with a 1400 yard running game. That balance would make all of us happy as we’d be leading the division.
December 17th, 2019 at 9:53 am
Let him walk. He’s not worth huge money. Giving him that much pay will weaken the team by not having the cap space to spend on other good players. Let him walk.
December 17th, 2019 at 10:03 am
Wentz still hasn’t made a Super Bowl yet. Nick Foles got crazy hot twice. The Eagles last season were not going to make the playoffs at 6-7 then Foles ran off three straight wins.
but… here is the thing. Wilson, Wentz and Goff were restructured prior to becoming UFA, if the teams had allowed the rookie contract to expire the agents would’ve gotten even more for them. These were all contracts made while the players were already under contract. The teams got a slight discount because the team threw away the end of their rookie deals.
This matters
December 17th, 2019 at 10:18 am
Negotiations always start high then meet in the middle especially when neither side has a lot of leverage
Bucs have two franchise tags they can use if they want
So much for Jameis wanting to be a team player though.
December 17th, 2019 at 10:25 am
AwShBucs … “Jameis was drafted to a 2-14 team that was the worst in the league. Judging him or any other QB in the league by wins, especially in that situation, is incredibly stupid.”
First off, the Bucs were 2-14 BECAUSE they tanked to get Jameis that year. To those of us with season tickets that year, THAT was insulting.
Secondly, the Bucs have had a bad defense largely because of inferior talent, and also because of meh coaching. Why inferior talent on defense? Because the Bucs’ hierarchy CHOSE to put their money into OFFENSE. So please, try to be just a little more objective.
Over-paying several players a boatload of money then expecting to stock the other 45-50 players with ‘leftovers’ is NOT a sound strategy for TEAM-BUILDING.
December 17th, 2019 at 10:37 am
Unrealistic salary relative to what he thinks Jameis should make or unrealistic compared to other starting QB’s?
December 17th, 2019 at 10:44 am
Tag em.
December 17th, 2019 at 10:54 am
Im not about to pay Jameis a mega deal based on a streak of really good games.
He’s played well enough for a franchise tag or a expensive bargain deal.
But we can’t get our selves into a Jarred Goff situation and if we pay Jameis huge money we will never be able to fix the issue that has plagued the Bucs for years and years. (Defense)
So Jameis don’t complain about the defense if your not willing to take a team friendly deal.
December 17th, 2019 at 10:56 am
Ndog.
I did not laugh at you. I have said the same thing.
The Bucs made a mistake not signing him to a contract extension last year and now they are going to pay the price for their lack of vision.
December 17th, 2019 at 11:26 am
We’re on here acting like he’s asking for our money. Let him get whatever he gets. We are not God. Can’t say what someone else deserves.
December 17th, 2019 at 11:39 am
TD Tampa Bay
If we over pay Jameis, we’ll be the same product on the field since 2015.
December 17th, 2019 at 11:41 am
The agents are using the way the Franchise tag pays out for this 3yr $100M guarantee rumor. It does make sense from their perspective
Franchise Yr 1 = 27m
Franchise Yr 2 = 27m + .20% = 32.4
Franchise Yr 3 = 32.4 + .44% = 46.7
I think the Bucs Franchise 1 maybe even 2 yrs…see how he plays out and how the CBA Plays out. If it’s not good – everyone is out and we completely start over…GM, Coach, and QB…
December 17th, 2019 at 11:45 am
At his age he’s not taking a short term contract. He’s not getting the endorsement deals which is 100% his fault for being stupid but I bet he wants to cash in on two big contracts before age takes over.
I would franchise him and draft a quarterback. If he’s franchised then it’s on him to actually put up big numbers two years in a row and next year playoff quality football is expected to get that contract otherwise his replacement is already in place.
December 17th, 2019 at 11:58 am
Are yall Crazy you better sign Jameis to at least a 3 year 100 deal you do realize Mahomes Watson will sign there new deals next offseason do you Know what they will get an every year the price goes up what looks crazy high today is a bargain tomorrow Support Our QB#3
December 17th, 2019 at 11:59 am
I kinda agree with everyone else just franchise him. I would give Shaq a long term contract before Winston. We know what Winston is sometimes top 10 QB other times bottom 10. Depends who he is facing and how many times he throws to the other team. I would draft a QB in the second or third round. Not like Jason hits on second round pics anyways so why not use one on a QB with Arians approval of course as I would trust him over Gump.
December 17th, 2019 at 12:00 pm
tnew
without wentz playing in both season philly dont even make it to the playoffs….nick foles is who we thought he was….a backup….
its not like wentz was replaced due to performance….the man torn his ACL and damn near broke his back….and if you watched him play this year, he’s still not healthy…..
but, you’re mostly correct….
those teams got a discount because their QB reached the playoffs while on their rookie contract…they showed enough promise to give them an extension…..and it didnt come in flashes….it came with Ws, playoffs and a SB appearance…..
GO BUCS!!!!!
December 17th, 2019 at 12:08 pm
LOL….
how can folks compare JWs contract situation to:
wentz
goff
mahommes
watson
all those QBs have made the playoffs on their rookie contracts…..folks say wentz didnt “play” in the playoffs but without wentz playing out his mind week1-14 they dont make the playoffs…..
GO BUCS!!!!!
December 17th, 2019 at 12:32 pm
This better be a joke, or else let him walk. Yes Goff got overpaid after taking his team to the super bowl, but just cause one team is stupid doesn’t mean we have to be.
December 17th, 2019 at 12:45 pm
Fluck Pat Kirwin…. It sucks to be wrong. They hating on JW he still gonna get his bread. The media Bias continues… FOH
December 17th, 2019 at 1:08 pm
Buchead588 is correct. We must sign Winston long-term right now. Four guaranteed years 100M+ with option years tacked on.
Meanwhile the CAP will rise other QBs will get big fat contracts and once the new CBA comes out it will be a steal for our franchise QB.
Y’all will cry and moan when the deal gets announced and time will proove y’all wrong. Happens every year to y’all…….and yeah me too.
But this is a no brainier decision. Get him locked up while the gettins good.
GO BUCS!!!
December 17th, 2019 at 1:12 pm
Franchise tag is a bad option on many levels. Mostly how it affects the CAP. If we gotta sign him next year once we become legit contenders you closing in on 40M per……..25-30 sounds pretty danged good actually…….Sing him up now while the gettins good!!!!
December 17th, 2019 at 2:47 pm
BA was suppossed to be the qb fixer. nothing has been fixed. no playoffs. still garbage time stats at end of season.
let him walk.
sign him to guaranteed money is like giving a kid an M80 and a lighter. a kid who already burnt the neighborhood down.
nothing has changed. let him WALK!!!!!!! build the trenches and get a game manager.
December 17th, 2019 at 3:16 pm
Robert are you dumb or just straight stupid?
Garbage time stats? What you mean the yards and points that are winning us games?
Nothing has been fixed? So then tell me….What happened to the fumbles? Oh that’s right, fixed……How about the deep balls? Oh those are fixed too…….Is the decision makeing better? We can d bate that if you want but I say improved…getting fixed.
Nothing in you post was right. Everything is wrong.And just remember……when yo wrong…..yo dead wrong.
December 17th, 2019 at 3:41 pm
Jameis doesn’t get endorsement deals because of his two sexual assault allegations. He’s toxic in that regard.
I say we let the market set the price, go out into the world Jameis and see what teams are willing to pay you. The teams actually in need of a QB and aren’t in position to draft one are very few. Don’t negotiate against yourself Tampa.
December 17th, 2019 at 3:51 pm
He’s won ONE game against a winning team this year.
He has thrown games away this year.
If he came in asking for a huge contract, I’d laugh at him.
December 17th, 2019 at 4:11 pm
Hogwash info from Kirwan. I’ll just say that. Niether side is movin right now and agents always test the waters. Don’t forget: Winston needs the Bucs more than they need him. Let that burn in. They have been losing, and Winton isn’t bringing people to the stadium. If his agents are dumb enough to ask too high in hopes of top 3 money with a franchise tag, that’s a dangerous game. The Bucs are loathe to use the tag on anyone, especially given it’s for just a year. Good chance they say “Okay see ya” and move on. Bottom line is franchise tags never make for good long-term marriages.
December 17th, 2019 at 4:12 pm
Call me crazy, but I’d tag & trade before letting him walk…Then go draft another QB in 2020.
December 17th, 2019 at 4:28 pm
Frankly, with what he has put this organization through the last few years, if he comes in at an unrealistic number, franchise him or let him walk. I wouldn’t expect him to take backup money, but please Jameis. I know it is Business. But the good Lord wouldn’t mind you taking a little less money to show some loyalty to an organization that has stuck with you though so much garbage and ridicule from other franchises, and directed every resource at helping you become successful.
December 17th, 2019 at 5:35 pm
Robert, no matter what happens with Jameis. The money should be spent to get you a GED
December 17th, 2019 at 6:00 pm
Y’all give up Jameis!!!! The Patriots will gladly take him. Remember Garret Blunt????
December 17th, 2019 at 6:29 pm
Funny Charlie…the Pats won’t throw more at Jameis than they have paid Brady recently. Sorry..won’t happen. Many FA QBs will likely play with the Pats for a discount…to have a good chance to get a ring. And they have had their share of issues with Kraft.
December 18th, 2019 at 12:06 am
1 win vs a winning team.
One.
Our fans are stupid. or fsu fans….same thing really.
December 18th, 2019 at 1:13 am
Meh. I’ll believe it when I see it. 3 weeks ago my man was saying Jameis should get offered no more than a 1 year deal for 10 mill and now he’s playing the franchise tag game. It’s a no-brainer to either tag or lock up JW. The 2 sides will bicker but I do think in the end it’s about 28 mill a year for 2 years with a 3rd year option. That’s about the going rate for mid tier Qbs and Jameis is a bunch of turnovers away from being elite. It has to and will be done. Turn the focus to get some mailers for the O Line and some youth into the D Line. Build those trenches and next year we will be figuring out what seed we are getting for the 1st round of the playoffs.
December 18th, 2019 at 1:16 am
maulers for the O line…
December 18th, 2019 at 1:31 am
The author of the book on Jameis is way more dialed in on JW and his contract than this Kirwin guy, and the author’s said before on Twitter that if Jameis takes a penny less than Goff took from the Rams, he’s be doing Tampa Bay a favor, so my guess is Jameis is asking for more than Goff and if the Bucs don’t give it to him, some other team would for sure … so if that’s the case, I guess a franchise tag is likely.
December 18th, 2019 at 11:04 am
Goff won the conference in year 3. Winston hasn’t sniffed the playoffs. Goff is a career 91.7 passer rating and is 32-20 as a starter (after starting 0-7); Winston (a year older) is a career 87.8 passer and 28-40.
I don’t get that people on here think Winston is better than Goff. He’s not.
December 18th, 2019 at 11:34 am
Ken Goff is trash. Every team knows that if you stop Todd Gurley you just the hold offense because Goff ain’t as good as Jamies to rally a offense back in to a game.
December 18th, 2019 at 3:58 pm
COmparing Goff to Jameis LMAO
and then we have this intelligent post
1 win vs a winning team.
One.
Our fans are stupid. or fsu fans….same thing really.
Our Fans are stupid because they are predominately Gator Fans.