Recipe For Disaster?
December 22nd, 2019
Ugliest game?
The game yesterday made Joe sick.
No, it wasn’t so much the Bucs lost. Yeah, that hurts. Stings. But it was how they lost. And when.
Here was Mr. Entertainment, America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston, coming off two historic games. With the NFL world buzzing about Jameis, and news that the Bucs will bring Jameis back, here was Jameis about to take on a likely playoff team in his home crib on national TV. No one else would be playing.
Jameis had the nation by the stones. He would prove to them that he was one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL.
Instead, Jameis shat his pants worse than a baby with diarrhea. Four picks including a pick-six, three sacks.
It may have been Jameis’ worst game. And Grant Gordon of NFL.com is of the mind that could be Jameis’ second-last home game with the Bucs. And after the Bucs end the season at the Den of Depression against the Dixie Chicks next week, Jameis should exit stage left, Gordon types.
Winston showcased all the reasons so many believe the Buccaneers going forward with him as the franchise signal-caller is a recipe for disaster. Unpredictable as the play of Winston is, it’s nearly clockwork that he’ll offer up a first-drive interception. He did it on Saturday for the sixth time this season and Bradley Roby promptly sprinted 27 yards the other way for an early Saturday afternoon lead, though it tied the record for pick-sixes in a season with six. Winston had the record all to himself it appeared, as he threw another pick on the second possession that was taken to the house by Justin Reid. The score was called back on a penalty. When the game ended, Winston had four interceptions (along with a touchdown and 335 yards passing) to bring his league-leading INT total to 28. With 31 touchdowns, Winston is flirting with a dubious 30-30 season (he would be the first ever). It’s a telling stat as the Bucs now sit at 7-8, the one-man adventure that is Winston leading to triumph and tribulation quarter by quarter and week by week.
Joe still would bring Jameis back. Not just because his good is so good, but the words of Raheem Morris ring true in Joe’s ears.
“I will tolerate you until I can replace you.”
Bah humbug!
December 22nd, 2019 at 12:04 pm
Jaymiss Winsnot isnt worth 25-30 million …. he is entertaining and he gets a… A for that but he forgot somewhere in the past 5 years that your suppose to win games …. HELLO …. PROTECT THE FOOTBALL … HELLO …. MCDUFF … HELLO…. forest GUMPS momma says stupid is as stupid does and the NFL stand for not for long ……… HELLO….. HELLO …. anybody home….. ???
December 22nd, 2019 at 12:10 pm
Not worth the headache and heartache he will cause when he craps the bed IF we ever made the playoffs with him. Let the human ATM torture another fan base with his careless, selfish, brainless interceptions. Draft a quarterback and move on. Go Bucs!
December 22nd, 2019 at 12:12 pm
The Bucs need to keep there defense intact before worrying about JW. The defense as it is will keep the Bucs in games with just an average QB, which JW is not. If it were me I would make sure Barrett, JPP, Nassib & Suh get resigned. Then focus on what to do with JW. Could he possibly get traded before free agency? Or the next best thing is the transition tag. IMHO I think the Bucs can reach the playoffs without him. I also believe they should see what they have in RG the last game. If nothing else should be an interesting off season.
December 22nd, 2019 at 12:12 pm
I am ready to move on from Mr. Interception machine.
December 22nd, 2019 at 12:13 pm
Joe, stop it. Time to move on. You cant expect the fans to support that loser. He sucks. 5 years of this crap.
December 22nd, 2019 at 12:13 pm
If the Bucs want to resign Winston I am ok with that.
I would just resign Barrett, JPP, and Suh first.
In my opinion a case can be made to sign Winston before Suh depending on the week.
If he wants 30 million a year, is he 13 million a year better than Andy Dalton or 10 million a year better than Ryan Tannehill.
Sure you could win more with Winston as the team is getting better, but if you lose a lot of our standout players on defense, would Winston be good enough to lead him alone.
I think history has said no. He is not elite. With a decent defense he can be good enough. I would not mortgage the future on him at the expense of a defense.
Missed all kinds of throws yesterday – not just the interceptions. He was the problem on all three sacks in the 2nd half as well by holding the ball.
What a bad game – after his 2 game NFL history streak. What a roller coaster.
December 22nd, 2019 at 12:15 pm
As I said two days ago…if Jameis took what the D gave us, avoided foolish turnovers and mistakes, and we still loss, that wouldn’t be on Jameis.
Little did I know, but the D would play nearly lights out, but for a few times they let Watson escape, and a couple of a pass resulting from it.
So then again, did Jameis play well enough for us to win? No he didn’t. In fact, he might have had two more. And his throws weren’t very accurate in general. I can forgive the later, due to his injury and unfamiliarity with the WR’s. But I can’t forget the stupid passes, many that a rookie wouldn’t make. And to add insult to injury, it happens just when the bonanza contract time arises.
So here is the bottom line. If Jameis gives us a home town discount, and from an organizational point, we let him start the season and prove that he deserves the long term contract next year. Then we either draft a young QB in the second or third round, so we aren’t left with our Rick in our hand should he show us he will never be anything more, I’d be fine with that. And if he wants franchise money of the top five or ten QB’s, wish him well and hope for nice a compensatory pick.
December 22nd, 2019 at 12:17 pm
Absolutely not.
December 22nd, 2019 at 12:18 pm
The Bucs need to keep there defense intact before worrying about JW.
Well said Tom I agree……..
December 22nd, 2019 at 12:18 pm
Jameis needs to resign…not re-sign…
Resign..means gone baby gone!!
Re-sign means another year or more of the same crap…
December 22nd, 2019 at 12:19 pm
Only fools think he will ever meet standards of an NFL QB. It’s been five years.
What I find laughable is his stock has gone down with other teams. After all, with BA, the QB whisper, he’s only gotten worse. No one dare take a risk on him now.
If the Glazers stick with this clown, it only shows how little savvy they have for the game, how little they care about winning, and how little they respect their fan base…what’s left of it.
December 22nd, 2019 at 12:21 pm
I have spent a chunk of this morning trying to think of a reason Jameis should play against the Falcons. Can he get back his honor, 3 of the 5 million a year the Texans game cost.
Can he break some damned interception record and get himself blackballed from the NFL? I can see absolutely nothing positive about his playing next week.
The Bucs need to move on and find a way to put some hope back into the franchise. The first step should be by starting Ryan Griffin next week. It is the only way to seek a new direction for the Bucs, the direction they are going is one way and ends at a dead end named Jameis.
December 22nd, 2019 at 12:21 pm
Groundhog Day…Jameis has really shown very little improvement …throwing the ball away this year is his biggest and only improvement in 5 years…MoveOn.Bucs
If he has a great career somewhere fine and good, I wish him the best…now it is time for the Bucs front office to do what is best for the franchise and draft a QB in the first round…”the best bang for the buck in the NFL “
December 22nd, 2019 at 12:24 pm
Winston can be replaced quite easily. Let’s start with candidates like Andy Dalton. Dalton’s best is not as good as Winston’s best, but he never gets as bad, and he’s more consistent. Dalton (and many other candidates) will take this team further into the season with hope, and even into the playoffs with consistent play.
Winston is pouring gasoline on the losing culture fire that is driving fans away.
You don’t “tolerate” Winston until somone better comes along. That’s stupid. When wrong is wrong, you get rid of it and try something else, period. They could easily get Dalton for a two year $35 million as they bring someone else up. Not saying Dalton is anything great, but that’s one example of ANYTHING better than Winston.
December 22nd, 2019 at 12:25 pm
Someone explain to me what is special about this guy, other than he has zero conscience and has two of the best receivers in the NFL on his team? He throws the ball 40 times a game to the best one/two recieving duo in the NFL.
Other QB’s don’t get a chance to put up those stats because they don’t dig massive holes for the offense early in the game and they allow the team to have a balanced attack.
His offensive stats are a mirror byproduct of his ridiculous turnovers. If he doesnt turn the ball over like a moron he’s an average production QB on a winning team.
December 22nd, 2019 at 12:27 pm
Bring in Brad Johnson/Jeff Garcia as quarterbacks coach or as a consultant for Jay-Miss. They can teach him a thing or two about PROTECTING the football and not making mistake every game
December 22nd, 2019 at 12:27 pm
It is amazing how stupid the vulgar Joe is. Isn’t this the same clown who said give him a big contract or bench him after he had a good game over a month ago? Almost as idiotic as July Joe/Jameis One of One.
December 22nd, 2019 at 12:33 pm
Take a deep breath people. JW was playing with a broken throwing hand and had several third string WRs that had no clue what they were doing yesterday. With his injury, it would have been very easy for him to skip these last two meaningless games. He plays fearlessly (sometimes carelessly… Brett Favre?) with the heart of lion. I believe JW with this coaching staff and a much improved defense can do great things in the years to come if they stick together.
December 22nd, 2019 at 12:38 pm
Time for this bird to fly. Bye Bye.
December 22nd, 2019 at 12:38 pm
Even if it is worse?
Yeah, makes sense. 🙄
#CarefulWhatYouWishFor
December 22nd, 2019 at 12:38 pm
He has been playing with a broken hand for a few weeks now. That wasn’t an excuse for his bad reads and poor decision making. Man I wonder when Joe number 2 will come and write another article blaming the run game.
December 22nd, 2019 at 12:38 pm
Everybody knew yesterday Jameis was put in a near impossible situation with his top two WRs out and working with WRs and TEs off the street. Everyone who knows Jameis knew he was going to go down swinging and that conservative play is just not in his nature. I do believe once we get a better running game and he realizes he can count on this defense the turnovers will go down just like Carson Palmer’s (in BA’s system) and Peyton Manning’s did. I don’t think yesterday’s game effected much accept it may have saved the Bucs a million or two in his contract negotiations. I still think he gets a long term contract just not 27-8 a year now it will probably be closer to 25 per instead.
December 22nd, 2019 at 12:43 pm
Draft a QB or sign a bridge guy. Maintain the development of the young players and defense. Lamar is in his sophomore year – who says you can’t draft or develop a young QB.
December 22nd, 2019 at 12:47 pm
gotbucs. I think I can explain it to you. Jameis was the last “flower” of the glory days of FSU football, which currently is only a little better than that played at my Alma Mater, ISU, and certainly not up to the standards of my sons, U of Wisconsin, Madison.
To see Jameis at QB is a reminder of the glory days…where the team was really competing for something. So he is hard to let go…from the FSU fan perspective, which is a large portion of the population.
This should be a lesson to all franchise owners that select a local guy, and hope for not only a good player but a fan favorite. Hargraves was a similar mistake.
Please FSU fans…you will be seeing better days….time to let Jameis be judged based upon his body of work…not through Garnet and Gold glasses.
December 22nd, 2019 at 12:47 pm
So Joe, if THAT’S your bottom line with Jameis … “I will tolerate you until I can replace you” … then WHEN do we hit that point in your eyes? There are plenty of QBs coming available when the season ends. Do ANY of them qualify? How about franchise-tagging him THEN trading him to say Cincinnati for their #1 pick (and eating probably half of his salary in the process) so we could draft Burrows? Would THAT qualify? How about Miami’s Josh Rosen, is he a possibility in a trade scenario involving a franchised Jameis?
There actually are a number of scenarios under which Jameis could be replaced next year IMO. But WILL BA actually pull the trigger on one of them? I doubt it. I’m betting that he still thinks that he can FIX JAMEIS. BTW, I won’t bet that he CAN, just that he THINKS he can.
December 22nd, 2019 at 12:49 pm
mark2001 nailed it why all these FSU eejits still want to see JayMiss playing here…it’s like they can’t let go of the past..and many haven’t even stepped foot at the FSU campus, or heck even attended college for the most part…
December 22nd, 2019 at 12:51 pm
Jameis’s positives, arm strength, athletic enough, wants to win, and plenty tough. Weakness’s, has trouble with the very deep pass, stares down his receivers, can’t read defenses well, baited by defensive backs causing interceptions, takes to many chances, makes poor decisions , and holds onto the ball to long. He is to competitive or just plain dumb. I think it is the later. First one in the building and the last one to leave and he still doesn’t get it.
December 22nd, 2019 at 12:51 pm
Bring in Brad Johnson/Jeff Garcia as quarterbacks coach or as a consultant for Jay-Miss. They can teach him a thing or two about PROTECTING the football and not making mistake every game
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Only problem with this plan is that you can’t teach JayMiss anything.
He does what he wants.
He SUCKS!!!!!
December 22nd, 2019 at 12:52 pm
AlteredEgo Says:
“now it is time for the Bucs front office to do what is best for the franchise and draft a QB in the first round…”the best bang for the buck in the NFL “
I’m all for it.
Who will be left when they pick at 20?
December 22nd, 2019 at 12:58 pm
My only question why do people feel the need to call Jameis all these dergratory names? You people act like a bunch of 13 years old girls cause hes not who you want playing. Surely rip him for his play, especially yesterday, but why the childish nicknames. Just so you know it doesn’t help your argument it just makes you look pretty. Grow up and give your opinion that is enough.
December 22nd, 2019 at 1:00 pm
Here’s how I see it. If an it’s a BIG IF the Bucs defense can get better an we can either keep the guys going out or find better replacements for them which Idk if you can in jpp suh Barret an Nassib but if we keep them or get better players than them then put everything you got into this defense to get them better if you can do that then bring Winston back a 1 year. I think Winston can win with a better defense even with all his turnovers. But if you can’t make our defense any better them we will not be able to win with Winston playing Santa. I think it hinges on the defense we know Winston can throw the rock an we know he turns the ball over like crazy but with a great defense an I mean they gotta play great to win with Winston
December 22nd, 2019 at 1:00 pm
Sameis Jameis, so consistent he is. Whenever the stage is big and the bright lights come on he craps the bed. I’m sick of hearing about how well he forgets the pics and goes on to the next play. “Snap and clear” he says. He should start spending more time thinking about the mistakes than filling his head with false bravado.
December 22nd, 2019 at 1:00 pm
I wonder what John Mckay would say about Winston…maybe…
He’s great at hitting the open player. I just wish that was someone on our team.
December 22nd, 2019 at 1:01 pm
So, I am gathering from some of the comments on here that the Bucs and the fans are supposed to just accept 30 interceptions per season which includes about 5 pick 6s? Do you guys realize what a terrible position all those interceptions put the team, especially the defense in?
Twenty interceptions a season would be alarming, but thirty plus!?!?!
Honestly, if the interceptions were cut in half, the Bucs are probably a 10-6 team. Throw in a good RB or just Ronald Jones with a decent line and the Bucs are a solid contender.
A five year pro QB is what he is, unfortunately. Hoping otherwise would be kind of like a 45 year old man still talking about his potential in life. Sorry, it is what it is.
December 22nd, 2019 at 1:03 pm
Resign him? Gtfoh Joe, you can’t be real.
December 22nd, 2019 at 1:04 pm
And to say he sucks is complete garbage. Did he gave a HORRIBLE game yesterday, absolutely. Is he perfect no, but any player that can throw for 5,000 and be in the top 2 in TDs does not suck. But again consider the source who said he sucks and remember IF he does learn to just read the defense and not just throw to his first read NO MATTER WHAT then he could end up being the BEST QB in the entire league. I know it is tough today but the reality is this is still not a easy decision for this franchise
December 22nd, 2019 at 1:07 pm
Agree NDog…this is a performance, consistency, all the components necessary to lead a team to and through the playoffs, and the game of games. Name calling accomplishes nothing.
Frankly I think the Bucs aren’t far as a team of being able to do the first thing with Jameis at the helm. But I don’t think he is consistently capable of leading us the rest of the way. So what are we playing for? To build a team to get to the promised land of professional football? Or to just be competitive? I wish it were not the case…but one never knows which game he will become the proverbial Mr. Hyde. And in the playoffs, one game anywhere down the line is fatal to that ultimate success. And if we are playing for that, we have to consider other options.
December 22nd, 2019 at 1:07 pm
As I said, when wrong is wrong, you get rid of it and try something else, period.
Joe says: Even if it is worse? Yeah, makes sense.
You don’t know if it’s worse. But what IS is not working. That is not hard to understand. Back to the Dalton example: comparable passer rating, completion percentage, takes much care of the ball, and has a history of leading winning a winning team. No, far from perfect, but better than what we know if not working now. Worth a shot. It’s not like this is Winston’s first, second, or even third year.
December 22nd, 2019 at 1:08 pm
With few exceptions, (1 Super Bowl) The Buc’s franchise history is far short of desireable. We don’t need to add the 30-30 man to our legacy. Other area’s of the team are showing promise. A draft pick or 2 along with a FA could go a long way to a 2020 success story. Unfortunately we know the ending to that story if Winston is our signal caller. I always reflect on the fact that a QB by the name of Brad Johnson was at the helm when we won it all.
December 22nd, 2019 at 1:11 pm
Just think guys…we fired Tony Dungy because we believed he couldn’t lead the Bucs team to the SB and a SB victory. He was a man among men…probably one of the nicest guys to ever coach the game of football. I knew it was time, as did most of us, but it was a sorrow.
And if we can get rid of a HOF coach like Tony Dungy, because he can’t get us to the promised land, we can’t look for a new QB because we are afraid we can’t do better? Please guys…that isn’t logical.
December 22nd, 2019 at 1:12 pm
The infuriating part is that the Bucs(90% of em) played great yesterday. Not good, great. Those 90% completely dominated the Teaxans yesterday……..I mean look at our freaking seconday!! Hopkins got 15 yards. That is great football!!! 5 sacks….That is great. Held a top tier rushing team to a putrid average….Great.
90% of this team is talented enough to contend in this league. The team is ready to make playoff runs……..until you look at that other 10%. These guys are holding the team back. They are getting in the way of winning. It’s hard to make a case that we don’t have to upgrade those 10%……And Winston is the biggest part of that 10%.
We’ve needed Winston to get better as a QB & we needed to play better football around him. Well, those around him are playing better now. But the QB is not doing his job.
You cannot bring Winston back. Get these same results and expect to make a playoff run. And if playoffs aren’t the goal the entire Front Office needs to be replaced.
Tolerate him til you can replace him? Ok well there’s about 7 free agent QBs that can lead a team to a playoff birth. Winston can’t playing like this.
I will tolerate him but only if Bruce wants him here and believes he can get him playing better. Otherwise he is easily replaced with numerous QBs who don’t lose handfuls of games for their team each year
December 22nd, 2019 at 1:13 pm
I said it before and I’ll say it again. The classic Buc teams of old won with D, a running game and a game manager at QB. Why not again?
The only thing fixed about JayMiss is the elimination (as far as we know) of his off field adventures. As commendable as that seems, he remains a Turnover Machine.
I’d rather spend the money on a guy like Bridgewater, the D and a feature RB.
If JayMiss founds the 30-30 club after this weekend, Buc management should wash their hands of him. Never been done in 100 years, yet here comes JayMiss. Talk about infamy. 0-26 wasn’t enough of a stain on this franchise?
Look no further than Tennessee to see what happened after the Titans walked away from Marriota. They are on the verge of the playoffs.
Sure looking like 2015 was a bad draft for franchise QBs.
Peace, out
December 22nd, 2019 at 1:17 pm
Look in the stands… none believes in JW… embarrassing
December 22nd, 2019 at 1:20 pm
If you think Andy Dalton is an upgrade over a guy who has thrown for 5,000 yards, Joe has nothing to say.
December 22nd, 2019 at 1:20 pm
NDog no he does not suck but he is not good enough. One game is all you get in the NFL. This isn’t baseball in 1907 and you don’t get a nine game series. You get one game and that’s it..
Winston is not good enough when you can reasonably expect him to throw away a big game like he does. That’s not going to cut it if your goal is to compete for titles. He freaking has to get better dude and theres no doubt about it. Thowing away games like this is not funny any more. The team around him is ready to contend. He needs to play at that same level…….There are no other options unless our goal is not winning a title.
December 22nd, 2019 at 1:24 pm
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December 22nd, 2019 at 1:28 pm
Joe, every one of Winston’s yards since he left the field in Nashwille this year is meaningless. They were effectively already out of it. It’s not about quanity…Winston has proven that. Dalton has at least achieved something that matters. Again, he is just ONE example of guys out there.
December 22nd, 2019 at 1:30 pm
NPRsage boy……That does make a lot of sense but that is not a philosophy shared by Bruce Arians. So it’s a good thought but just not a realistic option. Only way to do that is fire the entire Front Office and start over with a new philosphy. That don’t sound like a good plan to me.
If we do gotta look for a new QB look for somebody that can use the whole field(not Bridgewater) like Phillip Rivers or maybe Eli Manning. Derek Carr might even have the arm to do it……could be wrong, haven’t watched him much…..Or my personal preference trade for Stafford if possible. Andrew Luck could make a comeback too……Heck even Joe’s facorite canidate Dalton can sling it.
But I have chosen to stay on the Winston ship. Don’t ask me why please. I’ll stay on and sink if I gotta. But if we do move on from Winston those are our best options in mine opinion.
December 22nd, 2019 at 1:32 pm
Where I think Joe and I disagree is that he thinks few if any QB’s could do a good job replacing Jameis. Jameis is talented…but second tier when it comes to overall accuracy and reading Defenses. Yes.. a guy like Dalton would likely be a step back. But if neither guy can ever get us to the SB, is that really that earthshaking? If he or someone of that caliber comes in at far less money, can allow us to continue to upgrade the RB position, and keep ugrading the D, we might be far better off. And if we can draft a young guy Arians can develop that listens to the whisperer, we could end up ahead. What is there to lose, Joe? Maybe a one and done next year? And then if Jameis stalls out, what then? Total rebuild. Choose our poison.
December 22nd, 2019 at 1:34 pm
I wonder how many more games the Bucs would win if the other team wasn’t handed 10-14 points in the 1st quarter, etc.
December 22nd, 2019 at 1:35 pm
Joe, the 5,000 yards don’t mean jack s%^* when your team can’t WIN or ever contend for the post season. This has literally been babied more quarterback in the NFL and has the test receiving core in the league. Now he has a solid defense. The excuses are literally running out for him.
Why did you think we were able to get to the playoffs with Brad Johnson and Jeff Garcia? They were nothing spectacular (both above average quarterbacks who had respectable careers). They played SMART football and were good enough to at least get us to the postseason
December 22nd, 2019 at 1:36 pm
I wonder how many more games the Bucs would win if the other team wasn’t handed 10-14 points in the 1st quarter, etc.
December 22nd, 2019 at 1:36 pm
I’ll add this: I’d rather have a guy that throws for 3,000 yards a year and is big reason his team gets to the playoffs, than a guy who throws 4-5,000 yards a year, gets suspended, sets NFL record for turnovers, and is a big reason why his team doesn’t get to the playoffs.
December 22nd, 2019 at 1:37 pm
*Jameis has literally been babied more than any quarterback in the NFL. Sorry, typing from my phone
December 22nd, 2019 at 1:39 pm
Maybe a problem here Joe is that while Winston put up historic numbers to help us beat the Rams do we really need that?
Our defense was trash at that point. We needed a game like that. Do we still need it now? I would say no.
Yes we do need a QB that can move the ball and score points. But do we gotta get 30+ TDs and 5000?……Well maybe yes if he throws 30 picks. But what if our QB throws 10 picks? Can we win if he only throws 3800 and 21 TDs……It’s probably foolish to say we can’t win like that with our defense playing the way we are.
5000 is elite. But the turnovers do matter bud. If yesterday’s game don’t proove that then your just being niave.
December 22nd, 2019 at 1:47 pm
He had the nation by the stones
Haahhahhahhahhahah
Dude get over yourself
So creepy
December 22nd, 2019 at 1:52 pm
Jason is the fastest driver at Daytona, He always has the fastest laps, But he wrecks 4 cars every outing.
December 22nd, 2019 at 2:01 pm
ndog with his tail between his legs. LOL. Jameis is trash. Garbage. The winstonpologists are so butthurt today. Bucs first. Garnet never.
December 22nd, 2019 at 2:03 pm
Winston fits the Bucs history perfectly. Winning ain’t everything.
December 22nd, 2019 at 2:34 pm
Trex what are you even talking about. I’m here and have always been here. I call it like I see and am usually proven correct. Yesterday was Jameis worst game as a pro and he did a lot of damage to his future here. I hope that makes you happy cause if he is gone it probably means starting over on offense which means we will suck fir a reason other than the defense now. So how is anyone that is a Bucs fan happy about that? Answer is no Bucs fan is happy so that says it all about you.
December 22nd, 2019 at 2:35 pm
Ole Jameis (Hillsborough County ATM) lost the game. Bucs defense won the game. Go figure. Can the LOSER
December 22nd, 2019 at 2:41 pm
I gave Joe a lot of grief yesterday morning before I went to the game about being negative. But now I have to give him props for calling it, having the question of the day at BA’s press conference and getting a shout out on Tailgate Sunday. All this talk about the red-hot Bucs and Jameis, but when it’s a national game where the rest of the country gets to see what the talk is all about, he $hit$ the bed. Just like in London. Like opening day. When everyone one is watching or he has a chance to win a big game, he melts down. BTW, Derrick Brooks called this on Tampa Two early on. He said everything changes when the spotlight turns on you and you’re expected to win.
Anyway, Joe, I’m sorry. You were exactly right.
December 22nd, 2019 at 2:55 pm
Joe, I’m no fan of Dalton but 5,000 yards is not the primary metric given the receiving weapons we have… Brady, Tannehill and Cousins don’t even have 4,000 yards but guess what they also don’t have… not even 10 picks. Put any of those 3 into 2019 Bucs offense and we’re playoff bound. Of course none of those will be in play for 2020 but there will be accurate passing options like Bridgewater (unless Brees goes out on top after winning SB) and Herbert/Tua when we pick. Many would “have nothing to say” if you seriously thought keeping a 28-pick QB with the most turnovers ever to start a career (100+ in 5 years) was “an upgrade” over every single QB with less than 10 picks that might be available next year.
December 22nd, 2019 at 2:59 pm
Jameis can win GAMES (intermittently) but he’s too damn inconsistent to win a whole season. As I would like to see the Buccaneers play another playoff game someday before I grow old, become senile, and start hollering at adolescents to get off my lawn, this presents a bit of a problem. I’ve been saying all season that Jameis wasn’t a long-term option. For a couple weeks, Jameis had me confused and starting to doubt my conclusions, but yesterday was a loud and clear reaffirmation that yup – ain’t no success with Jameis. Shop him around for some draft picks and lets begin rebuilding (again).
December 22nd, 2019 at 3:14 pm
Has it occurred to any of you idiots that there is no one to replace #3… He is our only option, even, if we draft a QB this year it will take the rookie time to learn..
Also keep in mind Cam is toast & Matt Ryan & Drew Bress are both at the end… Give #3 another year as it takes time for BA the work out the demons or int…
December 22nd, 2019 at 3:15 pm
Lets not forget how many QB’s that have royally sucked in TB… Nearly All Of Them…
December 22nd, 2019 at 3:23 pm
Unless Licht is gone Jameis stays.
December 22nd, 2019 at 3:34 pm
Jordan Love, QB Utah st. Im liking the kid….go watch some vid on him.
December 22nd, 2019 at 3:57 pm
@NPRSageBoy … “The classic Buc teams of old won with D, a running game and a game manager at QB. Why not again?”
That’s an interesting argument SageBoy, but one that is year-specific. For instance, in 2001 (Tony Dungy’s last year as Bucs’ HC), we scored 13 TDs passing & 17 TDs rushing. We ran on 40% of the plays & passed 60% of the plays. Our running game produced 1,371 yards (3.4 YPC) … not exactly what I’d call a Running Team. Still, we ended up with a 9-7 record AND made the playoffs, losing 31-9 to the Eagles, despite our vaunted running attack producing all of 63 yards.
Fast forward to 2002 (Jon Gruden’s first year as HC). We scored 29 TDs that year … one LESS than in 2001 … 23 TDs passing & 6 TDs rushing. We ran on 42% of the plays & passed on 58% of the plays … LESS than the year before. Our running game produced 1557 yards (3.8 YPC) … again, not exactly what you’d call a Running Team. Still, we ended up with a 12-4 record, beat the 49ers 31-6 and then the Eagles 27-10 in the playoffs, then won the Super Bowl trouncing the Raiders 48-21.
Did I mention that we were #27 in rushing yardage and #31 in rushing TDs that year? Not exactly a running team. It MIGHT have helped though that our 2002 DEFENSE was # 1 in Scoring Defense, Total Yards Allowed, 1st Downs Allowed, Passing Yardage Allowed, Passing TDs Allowed and Net Yards Gained Per Pass Attempt. It MIGHT also have helped that our DEFENSE was #1 in Interceptions (with 31 … yes, 31) as well as having 38 takeaways in the regular season PLUS another 13 in our 3 playoff games.
And BTW, our 2002 schedule was a bear. Lost to the Saints TWICE, the Eagles & the Steelers, but beat a lot of high quality teams. No cake-walk to be sure. But our DEFENSE kept us in all the games, and our offense only committed 21 total giveaways (9 INTs included).
So yes, our strong DEFENSE was critical, but the running game wasn’t nearly as significant as many seem to believe. This year’s running game, as abysmal as many make it out to be, has scored 15 TDs already (TWICE as many as in 2002) and has almost as many yards. I wonder if Brad Johnson bemoaned his ‘p-poor running game’ as he hoisted the Super Bowl trophy.
December 22nd, 2019 at 3:59 pm
We can replace Winston. We should replace Winston.
Sign a vet, and draft a rookie.
A solid vet like Teddy Bridgewater can be had for $15-$18mil a year. The rookie can learn for a year or two. We can add a couple of good RB’s, shore up the Oline and secondary, and in 2 years we are ready for a playoff run.
December 22nd, 2019 at 4:08 pm
I agree fully.
Imagine the disaster of yesterday’s game if the Bucs first-half-season D showed up. Blowout.
I’d rather keep Nassib, Suh, JPP, Gholston and Barrett than keep Winston. And it could come down to just that.
December 22nd, 2019 at 4:10 pm
Fully agree IF his price is $15-18.
What Bridgewater lacks in big arm athleticism, he more than makes up with not being a dumbass on the field.
December 22nd, 2019 at 4:30 pm
Cobraboy: it’s impossible to know for sure what the market will be for Bridgewater, but he made $12.5 mil this year as Drew Brees backup in N.O., so an increase of 30% – 40% to be a starter wouldn’t be unusual to see. I’m guessing a 3yr, $52mil deal with $28mil guaranteed, would probably secure his services.
December 22nd, 2019 at 4:56 pm
It took him 10 games to have a good 4 game stretch. A good rookie can take a little less than that to get Arians offense. How many 1 drive ints or pick6s does he have to throw for them to get he does what he wants no matter if the defense knows it’s coming. He can take us 2 steps forward then 3 or 4 back. We can’t go anywhere like that. I say trade for David Carr draft some good strong linemen rb and qb and move on from him
December 22nd, 2019 at 5:08 pm
yeah 5k yards don’t mean nothing if you ain’t winning….
I’ll take 3500yards 26TDs and 6TDs with playoffs over an exciting 5k yards 31TDs 28INTs no playoffs….
GO BUCS
December 22nd, 2019 at 5:08 pm
I wonder if his agents (supposedly) will still be asking for the moon? Cheap one year deal for Jameis, draft a rookie, and sign a vet. Putting all of our eggs in the Jameis basket is no bueno. I’m burnt out talking about this dude.
December 22nd, 2019 at 5:08 pm
Yesterday Jameis lost the game no question. But those acting like we aren’t in the playoffs this year cause of him are just ridiculous. This defense lost the Giants game, the Seahawks game and tried like crazy to lose us the Rams game which Jameis bailed them out in. I love how you people try to rewrite history, it’s just so pathetic that you can’t actually make a statement without flat out lying. He played like crap yesterday and it’s extremely disappointing but to act like if we had a different QB we would anywhere other than where we are now is simply not true.
December 22nd, 2019 at 5:12 pm
813bucboi Says:
December 22nd, 2019 at 5:08 pm
yeah 5k yards don’t mean nothing if you ain’t winning….
I’ll take 3500yards 26TDs and 6TDs with playoffs over an exciting 5k yards 31TDs 28INTs no playoffs….
GO BUCS
See 813 that sounds great and all but there is no way we beat the Rams, Cardinals or Colts this year with a QB like that. Now would we have won yesterday probably but that is rare that Jameis plays that bad regardless of lies are protrated.
December 22nd, 2019 at 5:37 pm
Imagine tua with his accuracy on the deep ball yesterday….
He would have hit everyone and we would have scored 50
December 22nd, 2019 at 5:40 pm
Destin Tua literally can’t walk right now so I don’t think we would have done very well.
December 22nd, 2019 at 5:45 pm
Mr. Winston is not worth a top 5 average quarterback salary. There are provably 14 or so quarterbacks now playing that I would rather have under center than Mr. Winston. Which makes him about average at the most and that is what we get for wins average 8 and 8.
B.A has been around long enough to see that he can’t win consistently with his current quarterback . We won our Superbowl with Brad Johnson who was much less “talented” but much more effective. I have got to believe B.A.makes the decision he knows is right and that is to get a more effective quarterback.
December 22nd, 2019 at 5:54 pm
David jones you have to quit with the Brad Johnson stuff. Yes he won, with a ALL TIME great defense! Do we have a ALL TIME great defense? Do we have a top 20 defense, do we have a top 15 defense? Rip Jameis, say you want him gone, but please do not act like THIS TEAM can win with a Brad Johnson type QB. Talking like this just make you look clueless. Oh BTW Brad Johnson also had Mike Alstott and an online built to grind games out, it was literally a team built in the exact opposite style of this current team. If you’re going to comment please just have a clue about football before posting.
December 22nd, 2019 at 7:38 pm
‘Recipe For Disaster?’
Over the top of his picture is the perfect message!
No matter how the next qb turns out, the only ones going to wish JW was back is the few who want to keep him now… Most will not ever wish for Winston back… They will just be wanting the next guy until a quality qb s found.
JW is no better than any there losing qb.. just a circus show for the media and his fans!
December 22nd, 2019 at 7:57 pm
Ndog understand the point. You have have to spread the money so we can keep or get to a great defense like the early 2000s and find better a better running game . Giving such a large percent to a not efficient quarterback is just not smart. Also I think you will agree that the organization drafted much better back then.
December 22nd, 2019 at 8:08 pm
Sign Jameis to a 1 year deal
Then draft OLinemen like Bucs drafted secondary last year.
If Bucs then have solid D AND a running game, Jameis should be great as he says, but if Jameis still throws interceptions? Well, that’s gotta be it for him , right?
December 22nd, 2019 at 8:51 pm
I would rather the Bucs pass on Jameis if they can sign Bridgewater. Definition of insanity is when you keep doing the same thing over and over and expect different results.
December 22nd, 2019 at 8:51 pm
Yes, INTs are a recipe for disaster. In looking at the AFC, the QBs of the 4 division leaders have a COMBINED 32 INTs on the season. Their combined record is 44-14 before today’s games.
In the NFC, the QBs of the 4 division leaders have a COMBINED 29 INTs on the season. Their combined record is 41-16 before today’s games.
IOW, Jameis has very nearly thrown as many INTs this season (28) as the FOUR starting QBs of the division leaders in each conference. Not a good stat to have on your resume when you’re shooting for a meg-million dollar contract.
December 22nd, 2019 at 8:56 pm
The Jameis haters are back baby! They had nothing to say when Jameis had four straight games with 115-125 Qb rating and Buc wins. What a bunch of pathetic losers.
December 22nd, 2019 at 9:53 pm
We saw the Real Winston yesterday. No more, no less.
December 23rd, 2019 at 12:17 am
It’s just nonsense that Winston isn’t replaceable. Of course he is. Especially if he’s going to make $25-$30 mil next year. Prioritize getting all of the defensive players back with that money. If the defense continues to progress, you can win a lot of games with someone like Dalton as the QB. Better yet, just go draft someone who takes care of the football. Win by not giving up 17 points a game via turnovers.
December 23rd, 2019 at 2:44 am
Everyone will be all over him once we start winning forget about it y’all will be no matter how much you say you won’t
December 23rd, 2019 at 5:58 pm
At times it seems like he actually closes his eyes and throws the football. He ended the game with 4 picks but I counted at least two other drop picks by the Texans. Jameis can be so good and so bad on any given play. This is beyond weird. He’s going to be in the 30/30 club by himself. I can book two more picks Sunday. I believe we still win the game because our Defense will tee off on Ryan again. Jameis stat line will probably be 28/43 309 3 tds 2 picks or something in that ball park. 5k club and 30/30 club. #thatsourQb