“One More Game Like This… “
December 22nd, 2019
Bad Jameis.
You know it is bad when a big time defender of Mr. Entertainment, America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston, isn’t sure of Jameis’ future in Tampa Bay.
Now J.P. Peterson, the czar of Tampa Bay sports, has been a fixture in the Tampa Bay area on TV and radio for a long time. With the possible exception of Pat Donovan on WDAE-AM 620, there may be no other person who has defended Jameis more than Peterson.
And perhaps Joe.
But after watching the four-interception debacle Jameis had yesterday at the Den of Depression in a 23-20 loss to Houston, serious doubt has crept into the mind of Peterson that Jameis may return to the Bucs in 2020.
Yesterday morning, Ian Rapoport of NFL Network claimed he has learned the Bucs have already decided to bring Jameis back.
After the brutal loss yesterday, Joe asked Bucs coach Bucco Bruce Arians about the report. Arians denied the Bucs have reached a decision.
So what does Peterson think will happen? He has a sobering conclusion you can see in the video below.
With @Buccaneers defense playing lights out Jameis Winston throws 4 picks and costs them the game. That’s according to Jameis. Never seen him so apologetic after a game. And he’s right! Hopefully this is rock bottom and brings change. Here’s my report pic.twitter.com/l1vR5o9yPh
— FanStreamSports JP Peterson (@FanStreamJP) December 22, 2019
December 22nd, 2019 at 8:12 am
I don’t understand why the Joes find pick-sixes so entertaining. Jameis is as much of an embarrassment as the GM who traded up to draft an idiot kicker.
December 22nd, 2019 at 8:13 am
JayMiss will ALWAYS be a Turnover Machine, some things never change.
To his credit, he has eliminated his off field adventures and has become a model citizen.
Question remains: can Bucs win with a ” generous” QB?
IMHO, time to move on. Classic Bucs won with stout D, why can’t the BA version do the same?
Peace, out
December 22nd, 2019 at 8:13 am
So ROJO misses a block and gets benched. Barber fumbles and gets benched. JW throws 4 interceptions and we talk about resigning him to a long term contract. Idon’t get it.
What I do know is this is who JW ia. He will NEVER be consistent. He will NEVER have less than 10 interceptions in a full season. He will NEVER lead the Bucs to a Super Bowl. He will be exciting and disappointing.
December 22nd, 2019 at 8:14 am
What you see is what you get. If you live with 20 to 30 ints a year resign him if not see ya.
December 22nd, 2019 at 8:18 am
Winston shows over and over and over…..he’s simply not capable of beating good teams because of turnovers. You’ll need a top 5 defense and likely a top 5 RB to find the formula to get you to 9-7…maybe 10-6. That’s likely a wild card spot at best. You cant win in the NFL losing the turnover game every week. You can “ALMOST” comeback, you can light up the stats in the 4th qtr, you can talk about what if’s forever but its a statistical fact, you will not win. We should have lost to the Colts, but we didn’t. In statistics that’s called an outlier….its not the expectation. The expectation is what’s been produced with 5 yrs of data on Winston. He’s not going to change….he can barely win even when everything is in place. He has the best receiver group in football, yet we sit 7-8. You take away his All Pro receivers….put him Washington or Miami, you’ll see 25 turnovers a year and not a single winning season. You put a $25 million price on him, we lose talent elsewhere and the defense that’s just starting to blossom, gets a new hole or two to fill. Sorry but you cant just keep finding guys like JPP, Shaq, Suh, Nassib….all in one offseason. We couldn’t find a 10+ sack player in nearly a decade. Overpaying for underperforming talent is the formula for losers. The more we lose, the more we overpay, the less depth we end up with. The cycle continues
December 22nd, 2019 at 8:19 am
The experiment is over, time to move on.
December 22nd, 2019 at 8:20 am
Why would one game be the deciding factor? You’ve got five years of exactly what happened yesterday. He’s garbage.
December 22nd, 2019 at 8:23 am
Bobby M.
Couldn’t of said it better. Great post.
December 22nd, 2019 at 8:23 am
Bobby,
Great post!
December 22nd, 2019 at 8:26 am
It’s always been “one more game”, “one more season”, or “We have ___ more games to play”. Ira has repeatedly called this “kicking the can down the road.” Both Licht and Arians have a lot invested in Winston, as does a good part of the fan base, so this just becomes a never-ending story. Winston will return but please draft a young, promising QB.
December 22nd, 2019 at 8:29 am
If having a huge contract pending doesn’t change Winston….then nothing will. He is simply who and what he is…..he will not change and cannot change.
The decision to keep him should only be based on how much….you simply can’t offer him top dollar….if you lose him to someone else that does…..so be it.
December 22nd, 2019 at 8:32 am
This is why you have to stay reserved through the good times before proclaiming, “Finally we have our guy!” It’s games like these.
If the QB plays like the defense did, there’s no contest. AND, if the defense didn’t play like it did, it would be the same…for us.
December 22nd, 2019 at 8:37 am
Bobby M
Spot on.
December 22nd, 2019 at 8:37 am
Football is a team sport but he singpe handedly crapped the bed yesterday
Didnt know 6 pick sixes was even possible
And the defense balled out Liking this defense
You cant resign everryone with a winston deal
I have seen enough. Just consistently inconsistent
And the mr excitement nickname is funny. Im mean just wow
Jameis was the best player on the field for the texans yesterday
December 22nd, 2019 at 8:37 am
Jameis is an enigma.Definition of an enigma–mystery,problem,riddle,someone who baffles or perplexes—SOMETHING THAT CAN NOT BE SUBJECT TO CONTROL.Offer him a three year team friendly deal with many rewards for limiting mistakes.
December 22nd, 2019 at 8:39 am
This kinda game is absolutely amusing to an intelligent mind.. because the intelligent mind gets to giggle at the rationale of the simple minded experts who pass judgment on a single stat line. The defense played exceptionally! Congrats to them, where were they the other 75% of the games? It isnt the defense… right? They proved that they are indeed a defense.. but they are a defense that is still ranked among the worst in the NFL this season. TB has the top ranked run defense… because only an idiot would run, if the other option is to pass against one of the worst pass defenses… those 4 ints… that pick 6… the completely stagnant top ranked passing offense that produced 3 points in the 2nd half…. think…. wait… gimme a minute to type a point.
December 22nd, 2019 at 8:40 am
have watched every game these last few years many times over, especially this years. I see a pattern in most of JW’s ints. It happens when his feet don’t come around… a lot of his throws to the left, and left of center get picked because he steps with only his front foot thus opening his shoulders and loses accuracy and zip on the ball. His arm motion is more like a pitcher than a shortstop; Mahomes, Lamar who throw like shortstops, so they can throw without their feet and body turning toward the target. JW, Jimmy G, Dak throw like pictures so they need their feet and body to turn toward their target. Payton had this problem when he was young, but fixed it when he learned to keep his feet moving and use smaller more compact throwing motion, Jamies can be fixed.
December 22nd, 2019 at 8:44 am
I’ve had enough. Draft someone, find a bridge vet QB, anything but Jameis. If I had a dollar for every time he said I can’t turn the ball over the last five years, I’d have more money then him. Please let’s move on.
December 22nd, 2019 at 8:45 am
let him go; he can be someone elses roller coaster; fire licht yesterday… arians should go too he is out in a year anyways, give bowles the hc and give him a average qb… david carr
December 22nd, 2019 at 8:45 am
…this season ended a few weeks ago. The primary question on EVERYONES mind, was to dump Winston, or keep him. After last week, the majority of the world thinks that Winston should stay with the bucs… the debate is for how much? Franchise tag for 30mil, or contract for 25mil? He threw 4 picks last game, including a pick 6, and another pick 6 that was negated from a penalty… after all that, the game was tied at the half.
December 22nd, 2019 at 8:46 am
So the defense FINALLY shows up and JW has a mediocre game and people are ready to throw him off the ship again! SMDH!! Never mind he has performed like no QB in the HISTORY of the NFL with over 900 yards in the last TWO games! Never mind he is missing his top TWO receivers and has no running game! If we don’t re sign him we will mire in Buc cove for the foreseeable future.
December 22nd, 2019 at 8:48 am
The people that say, “let him go”, like duthsey. Are relying on one of the worst ranked defenses to carry them though 2020.. congrats Dorsey, we are rewarded by your simple minded decision with a 3-13 season next year..
December 22nd, 2019 at 8:51 am
Best part is we get to hash this out another 2500 times and nothing we say will matter.
December 22nd, 2019 at 8:56 am
Hodad has “had enough”… he thinks we should cut Winston and draft someone better. First of all… draft who? The best draft prospects for 2020 are gone in the first 5 rounds… you cant draft a joe burrow, you dont get a tua.. you wont get a herbert or fields.. so who is your qb savior draft pick next year? Think, I’ll wait… while I’m waiting, you want teddy? Teddy is not suited for the bucs style of offense. You basically want to retool the entire offense around the saints backup QB, who absolutely won 5 games this year…… but is the polar opposite of the collective offense. Thanks buddy… the bucs are 5-11 next year. Two wins above the draft pick qb guy…
December 22nd, 2019 at 8:57 am
BS, you can’t decide a player’s future on one meaningless game. He is what he is, multiple coaches, coordinators. and consultants have watched through his college career and 5 years of professional work. It is time to fish or cut bate. Next week once again our season ends. Somebody should be accountable.
December 22nd, 2019 at 9:01 am
If we had a running back that would fumble 1-4 times a game while putting up lots of yards; would he still be starting? What about after 5 years of the same issue?
So, why is it any different for Winston?
December 22nd, 2019 at 9:02 am
You would assume that like any multi-million dollar product, the Glazers would have done some significant market research on Jameis…….sure, winning is important and wins will fill the seats…..but even winning with Winston may not do the trick.
You have got to assume that his off-field behavior has hurt him with more than just endorsements…..the very reason why he can’t obtain endorsement deals is that the product managers fear a backlash.
So, going forward, it’s not simply his performance that will matter.
December 22nd, 2019 at 9:03 am
This is how I see it….if Winston is priced the same as Dalton, Bridgewater, etc….then by all means keep Winston. I say that mostly due to everything the team has invested in him. But I don’t see that being the case….to franchise Winston its $25 million, Dalton will likely be half that….Bridgewater might be a tad more because he’s younger. If you can sign one of those players on a value deal and trade Winston for picks…plus sign back all our defense. You can position this team to be consistently competitive for years to come. We can also begin drafting young QBs looking for the “next guy”. Winston playing lights out has us at 8-8…at best. Arians only has a few seasons left…..We ride Winston again next year and its the same result….then what? How much longer you think Arians is sticking around to be mediocre? He’s not here for a rebuild but I do think he’ll hang around with a proven vet. That buys us time to groom another young Qb while we have a QB guru on board. You keep Winston, its been made clear he gets intimidated by QB competition….you draft a QB that then replaces him, Winston then has ZERO trade value and we get nothing for him for all the years we invested in him. This is your classic No Risk It, No Biscuit situation. Remember Seattle signed Flynn while drafting Wilson in the 4th….they started Wilson day one even though they had all that money in Flynn. Winning cultures are willing to recognize a mistake and be bold. Losing cultures keep band aiding mistakes….ultimately leading to blowing it all up and starting over.
December 22nd, 2019 at 9:03 am
BucFanDuh… 7-9, 5-11, or 3-13, whats the flippin difference, the bucs are not a playoff team. Add to the defense, get a rb, and run the ball, get a game manager qb and be like the bills, niners or ravens and end this nightmare
December 22nd, 2019 at 9:04 am
Hey Joes. Love your site. You guys are a hard working duo, with multiple articles each day. Some advice to lessen your workload and free up time for more beer drinking and insightful articles.
Instead of hanging out after another loss, for JW’s post game press conferences, simply reach back into the joebucsfan archives and pull up one from the past. I’m sure there’s many to chose from and you will even be able to find the same team we just lost to.
No one will be able to tell if it’s recent or from the archives. JW has been saying the same thing, from day one, over and over again.
Hope this helps!
Merry Christmas!
December 22nd, 2019 at 9:06 am
What the ignorant dont understand… our quarterback. Mr. America… the guy who is on the fence for being signed for 30 mil franchise, or 25 mil contract.. just threw 4 ints, and almost 2 pick sixs in a single game. The highest producer of passing yards in the entire nfl this year… just cost himself 5mil a year! I’m fricken loving it! That’s 5mil a year that can be spent elsewhere! We can keep him for cheaper! That’s a key position being filled to help our top ranked passing offense from suiciding itself on a 1/4 regular basis! That’s a 5mil savings, that doesnt require a first round wasted draft pick, on a mediocre qb that is statistically likely to fail as an nfl starter!
December 22nd, 2019 at 9:06 am
As far as Jameis’ turnovers….they all point to two things…..he has difficulty reading defenses and he has no fear.
Fear is a mechanism designed to warn a person of danger……Jameis sees no danger in many of his passes…….he sees defenders (or maybe not) in the area of his receiver and throws it anyway.
When he tosses it away, you can tell by the way he does it that he hates doing it.
I am very, very saddened that this is not working out and even if he is retained, I am saddened that there appears to be no solution to his problems.
December 22nd, 2019 at 9:06 am
Every throw that was picked was a predetermined throw that he stared down from the snap. Many of his picks are not due to this, as many claim, but this time it was 100% the issue. The worst one was the second pick cause that dude came from the opposite hashmarks to pick that ball cause he just read his eyes all the way which is freaking highschool stuff. The good news is that is fixable but the bad news is it’s year five so shouldn’t that already be fixed? I’m just at a loss cause if can learn to stop trusting what SHOULD be open and just read out the play the guy could literally be the best QB in the league. It’s so disheartening that we are in this situation this morning.
December 22nd, 2019 at 9:11 am
@Bobby M
Agree with some of your post….but how do you trade Winston when he’s a FA?
December 22nd, 2019 at 9:11 am
Winston is an enigma wrapped in a mystery wrapped in a puzzle wrapped in a riddle wrapped in a conundrum wrapped in a question.
Winston is the onion of NFL QB’s, you peel away each layer, and he’s still an onion…
Anyone think this team would be better with keeping the D together, not signing Winston, and bringing in a, say, Andy Dalton?
December 22nd, 2019 at 9:13 am
That is a an incredible cap saving deal for when 3/4 of the recieving group recover from their hamstring issues! No mike evans… no Godwin… missing WR1, WR2, WR4… your 3rd string, plus two practice squad WRs almost produced a win. Howard had a decent game.. brate dropped a 5 yard 4th down pass that hit him in the 10 fingers… winston threw 4 picks. Were the ignorant expecting a MIRACLE? Of course they were…
December 22nd, 2019 at 9:14 am
The problem I have this morning is can I trust that he won’t do this in a playoff game if we ever get there. I never have had that worry until that last pick yesterday, cause normally there have been MANY factors contributing to his TOs yesterday there were none as he was throwing the ball to his first read no matter what and that’s not NFL QB play, that’s highschool QB play.
December 22nd, 2019 at 9:17 am
No not a miracle BucFanDuh but we are expecting our franchise QB to not give the game away with ridiculously bad interceptions when the defense was AWESOME, the oline gave him time and the running game actually had a pluse. I am a huge Jameis supporter but I never BS, he was THE issue yesterday and yes we would have won if he just did his job, period end of discussion.
December 22nd, 2019 at 9:20 am
@tampabaybucfan
Exactly! How do you trade Winston is the question! Can anyone give an explanation of what options we may have?
December 22nd, 2019 at 9:20 am
I think yesterday was all about his thumb. 90% of his passes were wobbly, and lower velocity than he usually throws. Plus so many over/ under throws.
I still dont trust Jameis off the field. There needs to be a behavior clause in his contract.
But hes convinced me. We must keep Jameis. I dont think he will ever change.
But with this defense, and more dedication in the run game,
Jameis can over come his mistakes. And when he is good- he is very, very good.
December 22nd, 2019 at 9:24 am
Every NFL team has an allowance of mistakes they can make within a game and still win. Such as a missed field-goal amiss catch even an interception. However Winston uses the entire allowance of mistakes for himself leaving no mistakes for the rest of the team. Case in point Cameron Brate missed catch. That’s the first mistake I seen Cameron Brate make during a game in a long time but unfortunately Winston already used up the entire allowance of mistakes and her game. Everyone else has to play mistake free football for the entire season .
December 22nd, 2019 at 9:24 am
Ndog… you are absolutely right… the bucs bottom tier ranked defense played AWESOME! End of discussion? Nah fam… I dont let toddlers try to get away with the last word.. that’s how millennials are created. The O-line, definitely stepped up.. although they allowed their qb to be sacked, hit and pressured more than any other qb in the league during the 14 games prior to yesterday’s exemplary pass protecting performance…
December 22nd, 2019 at 9:24 am
Sad thing is I don’t think JayMiss really gives a $hit.
He knows that at age 25 he has a place in this league for a long time and will become a very wealthy young man.
Unfortunately, that’s the sad state of today’s NFL.
December 22nd, 2019 at 9:25 am
@TampabayBuc….Tag him….he would have to sign the franchise offer but then you can trade him. Generally speaking….if he’s getting the money he wants, the team is getting the picks they want and the other team is getting the QB they want….all parties work together with no shenanigans. Players routinely try to use the franchise tag as their opportunity to hold out in hopes of being traded for a higher contract with more guaranteed money now vs hoping for higher payouts down the road.
December 22nd, 2019 at 9:25 am
I’m not sure Jameis could handle all the positive hype about him this past week, hence the interception meltdown. Hey, at least HE didn’t fumble.
December 22nd, 2019 at 9:29 am
BucFanDuh, so everyone on offense stepped up but our QB, who actually gave the game away, and that is ok with you?
December 22nd, 2019 at 9:31 am
I’m all in. Tag him. If they get a shot at Jalen Hurts in a second or third round, take him. But otherwise, just relax people. Last week he was a saint. This week a sinner. That’s this season.
December 22nd, 2019 at 9:31 am
Ndog- You asked the magic question. Can you “trust” him?
He gave that game away yesterday. That ‘W’ should belong to us.
December 22nd, 2019 at 9:33 am
Captain tim.. I’m team Jameis all the way.. but it hard to blame his fractured thumb, when his fractured thumb produced over 1100 yards, 8Tds, and a 2-1 record these last 2.5 weeks. Jameis threw those 4 picks… it’s what he does. In comparison… the saint drew Brees threw 0 picks, for 0 yards, with zero wins over 6 games… while having a broken hand this year. Now that’s a HoF qb getting his team to the playoffs!
December 22nd, 2019 at 9:43 am
We just can’t defend Jameis anymore. I ve tried and tried to think that he would improve but yet again I was wrong. I wonder if it’s some kinda mental problem. He keep doing the same damn things he’s been preached to about over and over, throwing into crowed areas, taking sacks where he could’ve thrown the ball away other bad decisions. What defense can we or anyone put up for this kind of behavior. As I’ve said many times on this site, I think Arians will draft a QB in the second round and develop him and Jameis will be playing elsewhere in 2021. Hope Jameis get it together but I doubt he will after 5 years of the same issues with no improvement
December 22nd, 2019 at 9:44 am
All I know is if I’m Bruce Arains this morning I’m not happy as I have no idea what I’m doing at QB next year but I have changed the culture. In week 15 this should not be happening to a QB cause yesterday had nothing to do with the system, nothing to do with situations, nothing to do with injuries, nothing to do with pressure, it was simply piss poor decision making by a QB that you have to make a HUGE decision on in the very near future. It will be a difficult few months for this organization. Not to mention the entire world was watching that game so getting free agents that want to win might be difficult if they choose to keep the QB cause no one in their heart this morning can say with any confidence that they can win with what he did yesterday, NO ONE.
December 22nd, 2019 at 9:44 am
I remember the hot story about drew Brees during the second half of his busted thumb season… was about his daily thumb exercises. Jameis says, hold my beer… lemme create a new NFL record category. How many games in a row can I get 450 yards and 4 tds. Lemme do it with a broken thumb on my passing hand. Let’s compare this record with EVERY single QB in history… who couldn’t come close with fully functioning fingers on both hands. Lest ask Kurt Warner, HoF QB who was the slinger for the “greatest show on turf”.. hes had a couple of 455+ games.. none of which were in consecutive weeks.. none resulted in a win for his team…. and he threw a ton of interceptions…
December 22nd, 2019 at 9:45 am
Tag him then trade him….somehow, I just don’t think that works…..
I go to Winston’s agent and offer him a 3-year $60 million dollar deal……and tell them to walk if that’s not good enough……let Winston test FA…..and if we lose him to a higher bidder…..go to plan B…..save about $15 million and pick up a couple of good players….
The $27 mil on the tag……we should be able to get a serviceable, interim starter for $12mil…..yep…..someone like Andy Dalton…..
December 22nd, 2019 at 9:47 am
Tampabaybucfan,
Agreed.
The price point must be met.
I hope Tua falls to our first pick. Bring that dude in! Looks like Steve Young and Drew Brees has a baby. He might be there when we pick too.
December 22nd, 2019 at 9:53 am
The entire world was watching the game in London against the panthers… more so probably than the entire world against the Texans… lol.. although last week he was a sure thing for next year. People have short memories… then they suddenly remember something that somehow is relevant… then they ultimately realize that a fans opinion means absolutely nothing. Woops… 99% of the worlds experts are now reminded that they are unathletic bystanders. Let’s get mad about it!
December 22nd, 2019 at 9:55 am
Our tight ends have Been with Jameis the longest. I think their drops, were because Jameis was throwing at a much lower velocity than Usual.
We were playing a division winner, with a hurt QB, and A fresh off the street Wr corp.
Its a loss that I can easily forget about, except for the great perforfance by our Defense.
THAT was A Tampa Bay defense!
December 22nd, 2019 at 9:57 am
“unathletic bystanders”?! Hey! I resemble that remark! I’ll blame it on old age! Yeah, that’s the ticket!
December 22nd, 2019 at 10:12 am
I’m old too… I’m retired a retired military dude that survived an entire 20 years worth of combat. After every bad bucs game, I think to myself.. “with them running their 4.3 to 4.7 40s, I’m pretty sure I’d drop most of them before the get within 50m’s.. the few that come close… the claymore will take care of…” boom goes the 200mil roster. Busted knee, bad back, and a shoulder that cant force my good hand to touch my head hairs… I’m the definition of an unathletic bystander… put me up there with Tom Brady…
December 22nd, 2019 at 10:13 am
When FSU loyalists like Peterson and Roy Cummings start to face reality and see the writing on the wall, you know it’s bad.
Winston will always be a turnover machine and have these clunker games.You just can’t have that while expecting to be a playoff contending team.Time for the Bucs to move on.
December 22nd, 2019 at 10:19 am
Jameis can never be a true franchise QB. The game yesterday was not the first or the last sucky game he will have. I keep hearing that he can be fixed. He can’t, he is a self perpetuating disaster.
When he has a good game people say it is amazing that he can shrug off a bad play. In truth that may be the heart of the problem. He refuses to learn from those mistakes, they just keep coming back because of some strange impulse control that he seems to be missing.
Dan Orlovsky has said he was a perpetual back up because he had around ten plays per game that got away from him. If he could have cut those in half he would have been a starter.
What do you do with a QB who has five to eight whole games that got away? There is no way Jameis should be a starter. If he is resigned we will be back here by the third game of next season discussing this same thing all over again.Deja vu all over again.
By him a watch and hold the door for him as he walks away.
December 22nd, 2019 at 10:25 am
Unathletic bystanders. In some circles those are also referred to as paying customers.
Did you see that packed stadium yesterday? Me neither.
December 22nd, 2019 at 10:27 am
Gotta draft a q.b. and sign a veteran. Just make sure Licht isn’t the one doing it.
December 22nd, 2019 at 10:28 am
Mr Embarrassment Americas Turnover Machine
December 22nd, 2019 at 10:30 am
What do you do with a back up quarterback who is 0/4, 0 tds, and 2 picks for his entire first year? Simple… you tell HoF Brett Farve to throw as many picks as he wants the next 4 years. You tell him that he may lead the world in interceptions… but his first year of 0 qbr will save him from every single first 5 year statistical debate..
December 22nd, 2019 at 10:37 am
I’m all for replacing Winston with a Rivers or Dalton type vet.
Just don’t replace him with a rookie.
December 22nd, 2019 at 10:37 am
So he thinks if Jameis has one good game against a bad Falcon team that’s enough to bring him back? That’s just plain stupid, at this point this is who Jameis is one game doesn’t mean he’s changed.
December 22nd, 2019 at 10:38 am
Peyton Manning and Jameis Winston are statistically tied at this point in their careers.. Winston gets the slight edge in yards… and it took HoF QB 14 years to finally break the 5k yard mark…
December 22nd, 2019 at 10:38 am
Gracelivin … Kudos on one of the most thought-provoking posts I’ve read about Jameis in a long time. I suspect that you’re right about seeing a ‘pattern in most of JW’s INTs’ and that he does throw like a pitcher (which he was in HS & college). But it’s hard to believe that his ‘handlers’ haven’t seen that & at least attempted to fix it by now. IF they have seen it & attempted to fix it, but have apparently been unsuccessful, what does THAT say about Jameis? That he’s untrainable?
Might be way off-base here, but I think a big part of Jameis’ overall problem is that he was given the reins to a shiny new sports car at age 20 & ‘allowed’ to drive it pretty much as he wanted to with minimal consequences. And yes, losing your job to a bonafide competitor on the same team is a consequence. But Jameis hasn’t had any bonafide competition. His head coach has essentially told him to ‘Just keep firing, I don’t care about INTs, I’ve got your back.’ Where are the CONSEQUENCES in that scenario?
The Bucs’ offense has had 4 or more giveaways in SIX games this season, mostly due to Jameis’ INTs. We’ve lost FIVE of those 6 games (hard to win when you give the ball away 4 times in a game). The ONE game we did win (38-35 against the Colts) should never have been that close. Turnovers are killing us, and have for years now. Reducing the turnovers to some ‘respectable’ number is doable IMO. It MIGHT involve changing game-planning & play-calling. It MIGHT involve how we train. It MIGHT involve changing throwing mechanics. And yes, it MIGHT involve changing QBs. But it IS doable.
December 22nd, 2019 at 10:39 am
Winston needs Evans and Godwin like humans need air. Without those two receivers Jamies Winston is no better than Blake Bortles.
December 22nd, 2019 at 10:41 am
BucFanDuh …I don’t care if he throws for 6,000 yards in a season.
He’s costing them games by throwing picks 6’s on the norm….
Let him go and with the weapons we’ve got….we’ll survive just fine.
December 22nd, 2019 at 10:43 am
Stop with the Brett Farve nonsense. Jameis Winston is not Farve. Jameis Winston is a mental patient with the football. Farve took chances, Jameis is just a F-up. One is a HOF, with division titles, playoff wins, and a SB ring. The other will never live up to that. Will always be just stupid with the ball, never learn from his mistakes, and most importantly is a looser, not a winner. Brett Farve, Jameis? Child please!
December 22nd, 2019 at 10:45 am
If you support Winston you support losing. Please turn in your Bucfan card and exit stage left.
No more Winston…dude is a huge pile of trash.
December 22nd, 2019 at 10:48 am
Ugh… wesley… it’s not just one good game against the falcons.. its his 2nd good game against the Falcons this year. But I’ll go ahead and assume a Winston loss next week against the Falcons, would make you want Matt Ryan playing for the bucs next year. Matt Ryan is obviously the better QB, despite the overall record of his team. He doesn’t throw nearly as many interceptions… which makes him a better QB. Matt Ryan gets a pass this year… its obviously not his fault the Falcons are a joke. Should we talk about Cam Newton, aka Superman…?
December 22nd, 2019 at 10:51 am
HOW CAN YOU BEAT A TEAM WHEN YOUR QUARTER/BACK IS HELPING THE OTHER TEAM WIN, WHAT WINSTON THINKS HE’S THAT GOOD TO SPOT A TEAM OUT 17 TO 21 POINTS THEN TRY TO PLAY CATCH UP , YOU CAN’T DO THAT TO A WINNING TEAM , YOU MIGHT GET AWAY WITH IT TO AN AVERAGE TEAM BUT NOT A PLAY OFF TEAM ……. WINSTON IS A BACK UP Q/B AT BEST , HE’S THE TYPE OF PLAYER THAT WILL COME IN IF A Q/B GOES DOWN AND SAVE’S THE DAY THEN BACK TO THE SAME OLD WINSTON THROWING TO THE OTHER TEAM…
IT’S TIME TO MOVE ON AFTER FIVE YEARS , MARIOTA WOULD HAVE BEEN A BETTER Q/B , I DON’T CARE WHAT YOU SAY , THATS MY OPINION AND I’M STICKING TO IT !!! I THINK WE NEED TO TRY TO GET MARIOTA FROM TENN. EVEN FOR A BACK UP OR MAYBE A STARTER , WHO KNOWS , MAYBE A CHANGE OF PLACE FOR HIM WILL HELP MARIOTA !!!
December 22nd, 2019 at 10:53 am
I said last week we should not play jameis if evans and godwin are out.
There was no upside, and the potential downside was souring the fanbase on him further.
Especially with his janked up thumb.
December 22nd, 2019 at 10:55 am
Winston supporters are just losers…probably at life as well.
December 22nd, 2019 at 10:56 am
Hodad… one threw 50% of his passes for interceptions, and the other 50% of his passes were incompletions.. that’s his year one statistics. Farve, that’s Farves first year in the NFL.. his name is Farve, HoF Brett Farve is his name. I can absolutely compare Winston to EVERY single HoF QB.. I can compare his first 5 years to the statistical product of the greatest QBs in history….meaning. his first 5, vs HoF qbs first 5. You are right tho.. Farve had a better team, despite his interceptions.. Farve has a lot of yards, and tds.. but still leads the nfl in interceptions… FARVE!
December 22nd, 2019 at 11:04 am
As long as Licht remains Jameis is going nowhere.
December 22nd, 2019 at 11:06 am
Mr Entertainment
WILL NOW BE KNOWN AS
MR ENTER-the-DRAFT-and-PICK A QB
December 22nd, 2019 at 11:07 am
Shall we talk about… idk.. another HoF qbs first 5 years. I’ll go randomly in a different direction… one of the greats. Spin the wheel… found one… STEVE YOUNG! His name is Steve young, I shall compare Steve Young, HoF Steve Youngs first 5 seasons to Jameis Winston’s first 5.. Are your sensibilities triggered? Am I about to compare one of the greatest qbs to gasp… Winston!? Absolutely… 5500 yards, 32 tds, 27 interceptions.. although that sounds like a 2019 jameis winston stat line… lol… that is Steve Young’s stat line for his ENTIRE first five years in the NFL. Gasp… how dare he disrespect those incredible HoF qbs, by comparing them to Winston!?! Please sit down.
December 22nd, 2019 at 11:10 am
@ BucFanDuh
You have to be one of the dumbest posters I’ve ever seen on this site.
So you’re trying to bring up “Stats” and compare a HOF Farve to boneheaded Winston.
Listen, Brett Farve was and is my Favorite QB of all time…….I specifically watched games just to see Brett Farve and you cannot compare him to Winston…….they’re uncomparable……..I know, I watched his games until Farve retired.
Stats are Stats……they give or lend credit to truly how a player is and performs on the field and that’s a fact.
Winston decision making is Jameis #1 problem which has led him to all these turnovers.
Winston seemingly is always putting his team in bad positions to not win a game.
Winston is always missing wide open receivers or his ball placement is off or he’s inaccurate.
Alot of what also people don’t talk about is his ball placement. Evans and Godwin are outstanding receivers and they are always having to contort their bodies or modifies their routes just to catch balls from Winston that are off-target.
I can go on and on and on…………..
But someone like you who doesn’t know anything about football (I can tell) and doesn’t analyze it like can and will never understand.
So go ahead and quote stats all day long as your lame justifications for Winston being a terrible QB.
December 22nd, 2019 at 11:13 am
J. P. Peterson, the guy that says if you don’t like Jameis you are a racist…was taken off the air for good reason. Good riddance, loser.
December 22nd, 2019 at 11:41 am
Again, the problem with Winston’s turnovers spiking this year is due in largest part to the new offensive philosophy (note for those with processing issues: this statement is not logically equivalent to “the problem with Winston’s turnovers, in general” which we all know is HIMSELF). That is backed up by the data looking at his turnover trends over time.
So, why is the offensive staff calling (and designing) plays which maximize riskiness at a higher frequency when it is well-established that the QB is a high-risk passer? Where is the logic in that?
Wouldn’t you want to run “safer” throws and design more creative plays to get the ball into the hands of the play-makers? Granted, when you don’t have a strong running game, that is hard to do, but it has been done… IN FACT, with essentially the same RBs last year, running less effectively overall, KOETTER was able to do it!
You need to run last year’s version of the offense (and that could certainly be improved upon) with this year’s version of the defense. THAT is the solution… while you draft a QB who can replace him in a couple years.
December 22nd, 2019 at 11:42 am
I’m absolutely bringing up stats. It’s the “Boneheads” that try to compare an entire HoF career to the first 5 of another QBs career. The boneheads are fixated on years 6-18 of a HoF quarterbacks impressive career, and somehow forget how horribly they played in their first 5 years. If we stay fixated on that single stat line… and base his ineptitude on that single stat line. Then absolutely, jameis Winston is the worst qb that ever existed… ever. But so is brett Favre, peyton manning, and steve young. We are picking apart his first 5 years and passing judgment. That’s fine… his poor judgment currently leads the league in passing yards. His poor judgment is a top ranked offense. His poor judgment is still far better than most qbs in the league with regard to total offensive production of points and yards. And his poor judgment when compared to Many, Many, many HoF qbs first 5 years… is far better.
Call me a bonehead… that’s cute. Your comparative rebuttal of my statistically based argument lacked any factual weight. I’ll put that in dum dum terms for you… the salty taste of Brett Farves Nutts have absolutely no bearing in this discussion. If you want to explain how hes the greatest qb that ever lived… at least say why! (336 is the magic number… it’s the most interceptions thrown by a qb in his career… name that player?)
December 22nd, 2019 at 11:50 am
The first memory I have of JW was that pick six on his first pass ever. Yeah but that was a bad route by the WR.
And so the pattern started…it’s always the same. JW tosses ints…excuses fly…JW creates a remarkable comeback…bring him back…more ints…OMG the sky is falling.
IMHO all is not lost.
First…Did JW suck yesterday…no doubt…did the coaching…play calling..clock management…challenges and sideline composure suck yesterday…YES it did…did our “best tandem of TE’s in the NFL” both drop certain catches that would have DRAMATICALLY impacted the game? Did the officials blow big chunks? ABSOLUTELY. Was the house occupied by a small crowd…yep
In short…yesterday’s game was a perfect storm that certainly began at QB but hardly ended there.
Meanwhile…our D balled out against a playoff team playing to clinch their division hampered by an offense that continually dropped hand grenades into the game plan.
I had to think that D.R. was smiling broadly yesterday. I was and I’m the offensive guy…but to watch a group of young…likeable kids grow into NFL men in such a relatively short amount of time is exciting and entertaining defense or not.
I’m truly impressed with what Bowles and the guys are doing.
Re-sign everybody! Then take a trench player in round 1 and 2…OL or DL BPA. 3rd round start getting serious about that nugget in the rough…most likely found at RB but it’s time to start looking at QB as well.
I’m no longer certain JW is the long term solution…but he gives us the best chance to win next year while we continue to build a truly imposing defense that can cover for whichever QB ends up a Buc..JW…draft pick…or an older Rich Gannon, Brad Johnson type.
December 22nd, 2019 at 11:57 am
I was 100% for letting Jameis go. I’ve changed my mind again. He’s getting better and has a long way to get past the turnovers. I’d like to see him get another year with this coaching staff. If it doesn’t improve then draft the QB in 2021’
December 22nd, 2019 at 11:57 am
What is crazy to me is that with all the inconsistency at QB, this team has a chance to finish 6-2 for the second half of season. He has 16 picks in last 7 games. How is 6-2 over that stretch even possible lol.
December 22nd, 2019 at 12:12 pm
Bigmackattack that’s exactly what I think will happen with Jameis. I think Arians will franchise him and draft a QB in the second round and develop him next season and then I don’t think the Bucs have a choice of moving on from Jameis I mean this team seems to be ready to contend but in many ways Jameis keep killing your spirits with bad choices in games the team could easily win. Its just a matter of time before the team turns on him and in most cases like this it causes a team to digress
December 22nd, 2019 at 12:33 pm
Exactly how stupid is Peterson, really? What kind of moron thinks it all hinges one more game, that he’s coming back if he’s billiant next week, and not coming back…if he has one more game like this?
There is a five year history to see, and it’s not good. And year five is worse than year one. Smart people knew after three years it was time to move on.
If Winston comes back, it will likely be for a short time, and much less money, as he is a bridge QB. I had to chuckle at Rappaport’s story yesterdy, referring to Winston as the face of the franchise. He hasn’t been that for two years. But he is the symbol of a loser. Which does fit the Bucs.
December 22nd, 2019 at 12:38 pm
@BucFanDuh
The comparisons to Manning are misplaced as it is a different Era.
Compare him now to Kurt Cousins, Russell Wilson, Deshaun Watson, Matt Stafford, Pat Mahommes, Matt Ryan, Andy Dalton
Guess what in stats. Peyton Manning was better in stats then his contemporaries but guys now are throwing for more yards.
Other comparisons:
Joe Flacco and Johnny Unitas stats for their Baltimore teams were about the same.
Jimmy Garoppolo stats in his 3rd season in San Fran are better than Joe Montana.
December 22nd, 2019 at 12:44 pm
I just want to correct some of you that are using the “He was missing his #1,#2 receivers” excuses. Simply put, he’s had 4 Int games with them also. So stop it. Throwing Ints is what he does. No matter who his receivers are.
December 22nd, 2019 at 1:00 pm
Good players that help you win games deserve big contracts. Players that continually lose games for you deserve to walk. How again is this a choice that is up for discussion?
He digs holes and puts up garbage stats climbing out of them. Story of his career. Then when we have a lead he turtles up and can’t pick up 1st downs.
Nobody in their right mind is going to sign him to be a starter. The Bucs will be bidding against themselves if they want to keep him.
December 22nd, 2019 at 1:56 pm
They could keep him as a punter. On 3rd and long he just chucks it and if it is intercepted, well, it’s just as good as a punt.
December 22nd, 2019 at 2:17 pm
Anthem…Favre had a far more accurate arm than Jameis. Both tried from time to time, to make throws that just aren’t there. Jameis benefits on the PI rules on those ducks he throws from time to time, and the fact that WR’s can’t get decapitated to the extent they used to be on those “hanging them out to dry” throws.
December 22nd, 2019 at 3:29 pm
Bobby M, great posts. Note that not a single JW defender dares challenge any point in your larger posts. Like others, I’m not sure we could get any meaningful return from a tag and trade with JW. Maybe. The suggestion from TBBF of 3 yrs at $60 with ability to cut in Year 3 was where I was at a few weeks ago but I think a clean break is best for team and player at this point… any step that doesn’t preserve cap for retaining our DL&WR or identify an accurate passer just risks our never realizing the full potential of the talent we have on tap RIGHT NOW. There’s no guarantee our studs look the same 3 years later even if we make the right moves, but there’s absolute certainty we lose talent if it walks and time if we hope for JW to become accurate.
December 22nd, 2019 at 3:32 pm
The Bucs will..Go all out and beat the Falcons come next week. Yes, Famous Jameis will throw a few interceptions. But some kinda way we pull it out thanks to our Defense and Jameis survives to throw…even more interceptions next year!
December 22nd, 2019 at 6:56 pm
The possible 6-2 record is mostly due to the defense improving, and allowing them to win games not because of Winston, but despite Winston. It helps that they have played some weaker teams. Who did the lose to so far? The Saints and Texans. They will not often overcome Winston’s turnover shenanigans when playing good teams.
December 22nd, 2019 at 9:04 pm
Teddy Bridgewater
December 23rd, 2019 at 1:32 am
IDIOTIC CONCLUSION JP reaches. If the Bucs are seriously going to base their decision on one final game where JW is playing with a broken thumb and throwing to bums off the street, Jameis should DEMAND they let him walk and go play for a real organization.
In reality … JP was just trying to give a controversial “hot take” but it came off as STUPID.
December 23rd, 2019 at 2:37 pm
HEY JP !!!! Two years ago on WDAE, you told ME if I didn’t want Winston on the team I was either RACIST or a GATOR (I am neither)…………soooo buddy……..WHICH ARE YOU NOW???? GFY