Jameis And The Quarterbacks With 23-Or-More-Interceptions Seasons
December 9th, 2019
Yes, Jameis Winston now has a whopping 23 interceptions in 13 games this season. America’s Quarterback is a generous man.
Only 12 times in the past 20 seasons have QBs hit the 23 picks mark.
Joe has done the homework and it’s an intriguing group — and none of their teams made the playoffs.
Here they are:
Eli Manning, 27 picks in 2013
Ryan Fitzpatrick, 23 picks in 2011 (Buffalo)
Eli Manning, 25 picks in 2010
Jay Cutler, 26 picks in 2009 (Bears)
Ben Roethlisberger, 23 picks in 2006
Brett Favre, 29 picks in 2005
Daunte Culpepper, 23 picks in 2002
Trent Green, 24 in 2001 (Chiefs)
Peyton Manning, 23 in 2001
Vinny Testaverde, 25 in 2000 (Jets)
Jake Plummer, 24 in 1999 (Cardinals)
Brett Favre, 23 in 1999
Again, none of their respective clubs made the playoffs, though some of the teams were decent. Perhaps the most notable was Testaverde in 2000; he threw six picks in the final three weeks as the Jets went from 9-4 to 9-7.
Of course, all the interception machines noted above had long NFL careers and earned gobs of cash. And plenty of the teams represented above had garbage defenses (see Peyton Manning of 2001).
What’s the lesson here? If there is one, it’s not to throw 23 interceptions because you won’t make the playoffs.
December 9th, 2019 at 4:56 pm
Also how many led the NFL in turnovers during their career since they started in the NFL
December 9th, 2019 at 5:00 pm
4 games left and he needs 7 more to smash Brett Farves record.
December 9th, 2019 at 5:00 pm
Better yet…Winston is rapidly closing in on the franchise record for losses by a QB. Soon he’ll be the LOSINGEST QB in franchise history. But hey, yardage records so keep him. Who cares about those pesky wins and losses?
December 9th, 2019 at 5:01 pm
Dont you dare compare all those very fine people to that abomination Jameis.
December 9th, 2019 at 5:05 pm
Dusty..
Not sure if it led the nfl at the time, but I do know that Peyton Manning committed 121 turnovers in his 1st 5 seasons.
December 9th, 2019 at 5:09 pm
Awshbucs
and peyton manning is only 2nd on the list of turnovers in the 1st 5 seasons, and that record belongs Jake Plummer.
December 9th, 2019 at 5:10 pm
AwShucs…. thx diid not realize that…big decisions coming up for this franchise
December 9th, 2019 at 5:12 pm
Where is Fran Tarkenton and his 32 Ints in one season?
December 9th, 2019 at 5:14 pm
Jean
Even if Winston does surpass Favre if we go 2-1 to finish season at 8-8 I pretty sure he will back next year and beyond.
December 9th, 2019 at 5:18 pm
Love you Jameis! A true Buccaneer spirit. Congratulations. Keep firing. Go Bucs
December 9th, 2019 at 5:22 pm
The Doug Williams curse will end. Many good things happen after that. Go Bucs
December 9th, 2019 at 5:23 pm
Where’s Deumig when you need him to run a QB out of town. RIP.
He’d run this loser out of town…
December 9th, 2019 at 5:28 pm
Here’s another lesson: Stats are for losers. Oh, but here is one: Winston leads the league by a wide margin regrarding TOs the last five years, and hurt much more than he’s ever helped his team. Suspension, in the news for the wrong reasons, and losing. 4K, maybe evern 5K in slinging the rock in December when your team is eliminated? Worthless. You wanna earn money. Show you are worth it. What Winston has done his whole career so far is not worth a cup of coffee at 7-11.
December 9th, 2019 at 5:29 pm
T Rex….Winston is running himself out of town. Thank God. The good news is to our knowledge, he can still call Lyft if he needs a ride.
December 9th, 2019 at 5:30 pm
I’m not a Winston Fanboy or Hater…
What’s obvious is that this kid WANTS to win and will fight to the death every Sunday. – I don’t think you can even place a value on that.
My god, if he could clean up his game, just a little bit, there would be no questions.
I think Jameis has yet to maximize the talent he had and those surrounding him.
I hope they can figure it out.
December 9th, 2019 at 5:36 pm
Those stats are not valid since defensive players could put their hands on quarterbacks during all those years except for maybe Eli’s. No one is even close to Jameis’s 23 int’s this year. You get an A for effort but Jameis is still wearing the same spots he had as a rookie. This Joe loves him some Jameis boy. Hot damn, I thought you guys weren’t big on stats?
December 9th, 2019 at 5:37 pm
Jameis expected to play vs lions. Good news. I want him to get the passing yard crown. Jameis deserves it. Fighter til the end.
December 9th, 2019 at 5:42 pm
What’s the lesson here? If there is one, it’s not to throw 23 interceptions because you won’t make the playoffs.
– Has Joe finally seen the light? Or is this the other Joe?
December 9th, 2019 at 5:44 pm
All this yet he is STILL 2nd in passing TD’s and Yards and STILL gonna get 100 Mil
Find something else to cry about…
#YallWantedMikeGlennonWhosOuttaTheLeauge
#CultureChange
#SBbound
(one missed kick, and a refs whistle away from 11-5)
Go Bucs!!
December 9th, 2019 at 5:46 pm
Eli Manning is such a weird QB. He’s like Jameis Winston without the TD’s and good stats, but has been on a lot of good defensive teams so he’s had a lot of winning records and even 2 SB’s.
In general I agree with the argument of how it’s hard to compare QB’s from different era’s.
However one thing hasn’t changed – Defense wins championsihps – maybe even more so now in the modern NFL than ever.
When I look at that list – only Peyton Manning stands out as a guy who could win without a good defense, and he still needed a good/great defense to win both his SB’s.
It’s hard for me to evaluate Winston and not put an asterisk in the back of my mind that says
*Came to Cleveland Browns of the NFL basically – or a team that was averaging about 4 wins per year, and had a winning record the only year his defense was at least average (might be 2 winning records for all we know after this year), while never playing with an offensive line ranked on anyone’s top 10 list, or an elite run game, and some of the worst special teams in the league before 2019.
December 9th, 2019 at 5:49 pm
ElioT
I agree with your take
December 9th, 2019 at 5:59 pm
How about that Shaq Barrett?
December 9th, 2019 at 6:05 pm
Eli is one of the most overrated and luckiest QBs of all time.
December 9th, 2019 at 6:07 pm
Next year will be the ultimate test for Winston. We will keep the core of this squad together and it’s hard to argue we don’t have playoff caliber talent……With the way this defense is coming on lately.
The pieces are in place and reinforcements will be added to the OL and probably RB.
If ever there was a year for this team to make a playoff run it is 2020. How Winston responds and how far he leads us should tell me what we need to know.
Lord Cornelius is right Winston was drafted to a awful team that has stayed awful. Next season will be different and we got a team that can contend. Winston either gonna lead us to a playoff run or will crumble. My monies on playoffs.
GO BUCS!
December 9th, 2019 at 6:09 pm
I love his toughness and his spirit but he really struggles under pressure where the elite quarterbacks can get rid of the ball to avoid sacks and turnovers. The rising star quarterbacks like Maholmes and Jackson and Watson are super athletic guys that can move around and not be exposed like Jameis.
After 5 years in the league his indecisiveness and his slower delivery get him in trouble and cost the team wins.
It could be that he just tries to hard and hasn’t learned how to get a smoother and more even performance. The ups and downs are simply unacceptable for a veteran QB as are the throws to blanketed receivers
December 9th, 2019 at 6:24 pm
How about looking up career int. percentage (interceptions per pass). He’s on par or better than many great QB’s. He throws a lot of passes. He’s not the play caller. Jameis will win Super Bowls with us. We’re on our way. Haters, keep crying. I’ll keep laughing
December 9th, 2019 at 6:29 pm
Vinny Testaverde, when he was 25 (same age as Winston) threw 35 INTs.
Meanwhile yesterday did you see the ending of the Raiders game? On literally the last play of the game, it’s 4th and goal from like the 2, Carr throws the ball out of bounds rather than risk turning the ball over. He’s the perfect QB for the anti-Winston crowd. Well him and Mike Glennon who did the same thing to end a game once. Would Winston in that same situation just throw the ball away to end the game rather than try to make a play and risk a TO? Of course not – and that’s what the dullards that hate Winston are so triggered about.
December 9th, 2019 at 6:34 pm
Vinny Testaverde, when he was 25 (same age as Winston) threw 35 INTs.
Vinny didn’t make it to a second contract either
December 9th, 2019 at 6:34 pm
With half the picks, he’s probably knocking on 6000 yards. And our defense isn’t physically smoked in the 4th qtr.
He’s definitely a competitor and everybody can appreciate that. I admit I cheer for him when he doesn’t give up on a play that should have been over. Those plays are always 50-50s.
Not up to me if he stays or goes. If he’s here, he’s our QB. It is what it is. So much for quitting whiskey on game days. Hopefully it’ll be drinking in celebration.
December 9th, 2019 at 6:37 pm
Playoffs?…….Did you say playoffs?
December 9th, 2019 at 6:44 pm
Jean Lafitte – And Vinny not getting a new deal with the Bucs lead to Trent Dilfer and Shaun King and the Bucs scoring 6 points in an NFC Championship game.
If the Bucs had kept Vinny with that defense, the Bucs would have won more than one SB.
December 9th, 2019 at 6:46 pm
Joe – I am no snowflake, but some brain dead moron’s using the name “Munkey Jaboo” ought to violate the site’s standards.
December 9th, 2019 at 7:08 pm
The more you try to convince people by nitpicking stats without the full context of them, the more foolish this sit becomes. There are other players on the team, yet we focus on the that at the end of the would be a 9 win QB without playoffs wins. He has a losing record, has a lot of turnovers and makes horrible decisions.
December 9th, 2019 at 7:09 pm
Jean, are we playing a 17 game season this year?
December 9th, 2019 at 7:16 pm
The problem is who do we replace him with?, I’m not a huge supporter of his but he’s on pace for 5000 yards passing.
December 9th, 2019 at 7:20 pm
I’d offer Winston a 2-3 year deal at 15 a year. I don’t care if the market says 20 (f the market JW has proven nothing in terms of consistency or wins). If he really cares about this team and wants to win we have to keep the front seven in tact, add a defensive lineman in the draft, add OL depth in the draft, sign a veteran corner and possibly another RB. I’m not sure this tandem of ROJO and Barber cut it.
December 9th, 2019 at 7:23 pm
Soooooo sick of the Jameis Winston debates been tired of them for over a year now.
December 9th, 2019 at 7:24 pm
Four super bowl winning QBs on that list..
Go Jameis.
December 9th, 2019 at 7:24 pm
Just re-watched the game. Jameis IS the offense. He is a beast. He takes chances but usually only when he’s running for his life.
Then I watched San Fran and NO battle it out. Their offenses gained about as many yards as Jameis but both teams have terrifying run games.
Give Jameis a real running game–an O-line that can hold up in pass pro and move people–and he will win championships.
December 9th, 2019 at 7:25 pm
Yup. He’s already set for life. It’s either about money or putting a team around him to win. He can’t get both. With the”beatings” his die hard say he takes, he should be the first to allow his team to sign some solid road graders and border walls.
5000 would be an every year thing, but breaking the bank on the squad is gonna prematurely end his career. Team friendly Jameis can stay, but 30 mil jameis – good luck on your new team.
December 9th, 2019 at 7:26 pm
Pour mans Jeff George.
December 9th, 2019 at 7:31 pm
Carson Palmer’s first year in BA’s system was 22. Most of those coming earlier in the season. Jameis is more aggressive then Carson and it shows in his increased YPG and TD total. I like the fact that one of the things Jameis acknowledged unprompted in his post game presser was the importance to cut down the picks. Most Qbs would just say hey we won and maybe address it later in the week.
December 9th, 2019 at 7:37 pm
This is my opinion on what should happen in the offseason (not that I know what the hell I’m talking about).
Sign JW to a reasonable short term contract (3 years at 15 million).
Franchise tag Barrett
Sign JPP to a short term deal (he wants to stay).
Sign Nassib cheap
Sign Suh short term (he’s doing a lot of “silent” good and is helping Vea along).
Add another stout DL (for depth) through the draft.
Sign a free agent corner or safety (depending on Justin Evans status). What about Apple, Harris, or McCourty?
What about letting go of Barber and signing Hyde?
December 9th, 2019 at 7:41 pm
LT on NFLnetwork said JW broke his hand?…
What’s up joe
GO BUCS
December 9th, 2019 at 7:45 pm
So did Mahomes. And that was his throwing hand. I think JW was left hand.
December 9th, 2019 at 7:52 pm
Winston….
…since 2015 had the worst defense in football.
…since 2015 had the worst kicking game in football.
…since 2016 played the hardest schedule in football.
Also…
…since 2015 has set every Bucs offensive record for passing and scoring.
…since 2015 has been in the top 10 for offense in 4 of 5 years.
…since 2015 has been in the top 5 for offense in 3 of 5 years.
But yeah, Winston is the issue. LOL!
December 9th, 2019 at 7:56 pm
deff agree to far^
December 9th, 2019 at 7:56 pm
Very fine people …Big Ben …Payton Manning, there’s a lot of dirt to be kicked around …FAMOUS has not reached his peak yet due to the second rate coaches he had to put up with…even tho he shines through, another year with BA and FAMOUS will do it big…LEEP GRINDING …continue to make the O/Line better and add quality depth to the team !! GO BUCS …MAKE IT 4 IN A ROW!!
December 9th, 2019 at 8:02 pm
Jameis has “an itty bitty” fracture in his right hand. His throwing hand…
December 9th, 2019 at 8:07 pm
OK I’m totally changing my tune on Winston…
I just checked my fantasy football scores from yesterday, and in my one and only money league, I lost yesterday by a score of 122.32 to 122.64… that cost me a playoff spot.
Who was my QB? Winston.
How did he end the game? Taking three knees for -4 yards. That’s 0.4 points – I lost by 0.32 points. Motherfudger.
I’m totally with the Winston derangement syndrome crowd now. He cost me money, at least $20 buckaroos. Why couldn’t he practice his QB sneak up the middle to end the game – or hand it off to Barber to ruin his 2.7ypc average? Why did he have to take the stat hit!?!?
December 9th, 2019 at 8:08 pm
As I said in an earlier post, playing QB in the NFL today is much easier than it was 10-20 years ago because of all of the present rules that protect the WR’ s and QB’s. Back when DB’s were actually allowed to cover recievers the interception rate was MUCH higher. And the pass rushers were not afraid to rough up the QB.
Comparing Winston to the greats that played under those old rules like Manning, Favre and even Elway is just simply ridiculous. Totally different game today.
Can you imagine what those guys’ numbers and totalswould look like if they played today under the present rules and format? They would be mindboggling. But without all of the picks.
Or better yet, can you imagine Winston’s turnover totals playing under those old rules? Talk about long standing records………..
December 9th, 2019 at 8:15 pm
813bucboi – I’m not too concerned about the “broken hand”, I’m more concerned that I saw he’s going for a 2nd opinion. I hope Jameis’ agent isn’t in his ear telling him to shut it down for the year. I can see why he’d do it, if he can’t grip the ball well and goes out and looks bad, that’s going to hurt him getting money on a new deal. I can’t imagine Winston would sit out any game where he can get on the field – but if his agent is telling him there’s millions and millions at stake (which there is) maybe he goes the safe route for the first time in his career.
Ugh…
But I hate Winston now, so yeah – lets see Ryan Griffin out there throwing to Tanner Hudson like it’s the 4th quarter of the 2nd preseason game! Lets see if we can’t win a game 6-3 without Winston and with this defense, all the Winston haters tell me this defense would rival the 2002 all-time great defense if it wasn’t for Winston, lets see how that goes!
December 9th, 2019 at 8:18 pm
BrianBucs – Get this, I know it’s buried deep in the rule book and all, but you win games by scoring more than the opponent. No shiznits, it’s true. The Bucs are #3 in the league in scoring, the highest in team history!
Meanwhile the defense is #31 in scoring defense…
But yeah, it’s all on Winston. LOL!
December 9th, 2019 at 8:21 pm
Sheesh Jimmy Jack, you don’t have any monies for your own rent, much less Bucs tickets in my stadium. And only a fool thinks Winston needs another prove it year.
December 9th, 2019 at 8:23 pm
To me Jameis has shown the most promise this season. The interception count is certainly high, but he’s done a lot of fantastic things. As noted above, he’s also a fighter. That being said, I think the Bucs have too many areas of need to give him a market contract. I would feel better about giving that money to Teddy. If not Teddy, sign a 2nd tier QB and Use him to bridge to next year or the year after. This team desperately needs OL and RB help. I think they need to draft quality DL (Brown or Kinlaw) to clear Suh’s money. I was of the opinion that JPP was a must sign too, but after watching him yesterday, I think he may finally be losing a step. So, I think they need to look for a bargain bin replacement in round 4. Rounds 2 and 3 are for OL. If they can get an extra 2nd rounder they should. They have to get younger and cheaper fast. Shaq is a must sign, Winston is a nice but not a must.
December 9th, 2019 at 8:24 pm
Brian Bucs “Comparing Winston to the greats that played under those old rules like Manning, Favre and even Elway is just simply ridiculous. Totally different game today.”
Projecting Winston and the greats in the different eras is equally ridiculous. All of those guys played in an era where offensive lineman could develop and block in practice. All of those guys played in an era where WRs could also be physical. Maybe Jameis has even better numbers throwing to Mike Evans if he could bully every DB.
December 9th, 2019 at 8:26 pm
Rod, you’re going too hard dude. Calm the F down.
No playoffs for us. Time for talent evaluator. If Griffin throws a pick on his first pass, we can put JW in with a broke hand.
Like I said, calm the F down man. You’re out of control right now. You’re scaring the dog.
December 9th, 2019 at 8:27 pm
Another fun fact…
The Bucs have scored 378 points this year…
Let’s choose a random number under this, let’s take 50 points off that and look at teams that scored 328 points or more…
Pats, 10-3
Ravens, 11-2
Chiefs, 9-4
Cowboys, 6-7
Vikings, 9-4
Saints, 10-3
49ers, 11-2
Seahawks, 10-3
Meanwhile the Bucs have given up 381 points. Let’s take 50 points off that and look at all the teams who have given up 331 points or more…
Dolphins, 3-10
Jags, 4-9
Raiders, 6-7
Giants, 2-10
Lions, 3-9-1
Panthers, 5-8
Falcons, 4-9
Cards, 3-9-1
So yeah…which side of the ball is the issue again?
December 9th, 2019 at 8:28 pm
Slugglife – Winston cost me at least $20 by taking those knees to end, I hate him now. Keep up with the storyline.
December 9th, 2019 at 8:29 pm
Rod- maybe an evaluation of TOP and amount of minutes the D has been on the field in relation to turnovers. Not to mention stopping the opposingO only to hit the field the next play.
Cmon man. Put the C pipe down. Have to do a search to if JW has a brother named Rodney.
December 9th, 2019 at 8:30 pm
Winston throws picks. No kidding. He’s also a gladiator with a ridiculous work ethic. Also, how many of us would have put this team this close to .500 this close to the end of the season? And they started winning when? When the defense starting coming together in the secondary. I still think they need a free agent corner and safety next year but I wouldn’t be surprised if the free agent in question gets beat out by one of the rookies from this year.
December 9th, 2019 at 8:33 pm
I see your storyline. It’s sure to keep the glazer kids up tonight. Or not. Who knows.
It’s the defense. Yes? So there is no money to pay Jameis 30 mil of the defense needs to have some dough thrown at it.
Comprende?
December 9th, 2019 at 8:36 pm
Nothing affects a defense like your QB throwing two quick picks. Nothing hypes an opposing D like getting two picks to start the game. And the opposing offense gets hyped.
1+1=2 regardless of what anybody says.
December 9th, 2019 at 8:37 pm
Rod … Please stop begging. Your one-sided arguments appear kinda silly to those who try to consider BOTH sides of an argument. Jameis has tons of Pro’s … and Con’s. Whether the Bucs re-sign him for next year is dependent upon a LOT of things, not the least of which is ‘What does Jameis want?’
IrishTony … “I’d offer Winston a 2-3 year deal at 15 a year.” OK Tony, what’s your Plan B? Because Jameis’ agent won’t even present an offer that low to his client. (Hint: He is making $20.9 mil right now).
December 9th, 2019 at 8:39 pm
Warrior- hell yeah. Smart warrior- sometimes. Dumb warrior—yeahthat too.
Hey man- it’ll be what it is. If he’s here at 30 mil, enjoy your stats. The line will suck. And the D will be what it’ll be. At least him getting paid will vindicate you.
Not sure how that benefits you or the rest of these dipsh!ts, but soldier on man.
December 9th, 2019 at 8:41 pm
Umm. Can we stop calling out the defense already? Do you guys not even see that they are playing good football right now?
Greg just nailed it.
December 9th, 2019 at 8:42 pm
Defense Rules – You’re the fair and balanced one? LOL! Also you’re the one who said Chris Conte and Ryan Smith were good players – that is something that you will never live down.
December 9th, 2019 at 8:43 pm
Brady’s contract should be the benchmark.
Then again he’s like a choir boy, with lots of endorsements. And a bunch of rings. For some people winning is what is most important. Others want the money.
The money will get Winston an early retirement.
December 9th, 2019 at 8:48 pm
Jameis the Gunslinger. He will win some games for you. But you’d better have a kick a** Defense behind him. If not some of them shootouts at the ok corral will be lost.
December 9th, 2019 at 8:50 pm
All of which went to the playoffs except jameis … hmmmm
December 9th, 2019 at 8:53 pm
Slugglife – OK….
Time of possession… Bucs ranking
2019 – 6th, 31:19
2018 – 16th, 30:12
2017 – 17th, 29:43
2016 – 8th, 30:48
2015 – 26th, 28:33
So in 2015, the Bucs lead the NFL in rushing – or was #2, don’t remember, and that was by far their worst TOP year. Then with no running game since then, the Bucs have averaged being 11th.
December 9th, 2019 at 8:58 pm
Rod Munch do 3rd down efficiency.
I thought no it will be good which will be good ammo for the “Byron Leftwich sucks” crowd.
Not that its needed. Our redzone numbers alone show just how good a play caller he has been. Was it 100% yesterday?
December 9th, 2019 at 8:59 pm
Typos*
December 9th, 2019 at 8:59 pm
Rod Munch
Thanks for making my point for me.
Different game today. Many more points.
December 9th, 2019 at 9:06 pm
Actually I just looked it up we are only #13th in 3rd down conversions. 41%.
Last year we were better at 45%.
December 9th, 2019 at 9:07 pm
JimmyJack – I think everyone was pretty unimpressed with Leftwich early on, but once he got out of that ultra conservative mode early on, he’s done a really good job. He’s still predictable when the team gets any sort of lead – but many coaches are guilty of that.
Anywho, 3rd down efficiency…
Bucs convert at 41.01%, which is 13th. Not a great stat since they were always top 10 under Dirk (10th, 6th, 4th, 2nd).
However I think redzone efficiency is where the difference has been.
TD conv rate in red zone, 63.27%, which is 7th (2019). Under Dirk they were 22nd, 20th, 24th and 15th.
December 9th, 2019 at 9:07 pm
Alaskan
No, not really.
Go and watch some football games from that era. You will notice a huge difference
December 9th, 2019 at 9:18 pm
Wise Words from the Immortal Bill Parcells (Concerning Turnovers)
Here’s the reason why “ You don’t turn it over …
• Minus One – You Lose 71% of the time
• Minus Two – You Lose 78% of the time
• Minus Three – You Lose 87% of the time
• Minus Three – You Lose 94% of the time
December 9th, 2019 at 9:18 pm
BrianBucs – Actually NFL points per game game are down from last year. They’ve been trending up, but they’ve also been higher before.
#1 – 1948, 23.6ppg
#2 – 2013, 23.4ppg
#3 – 2018, 23.3ppg
#4 – 1965, 23.1ppg
#5 – 1950, 22.9ppg
#6t – 2012, 22.8ppg
#6t – 2015, 22.8ppg
#8t – 1949, 22.7ppg
#8t – 2016, 22.7ppg
#10t – 1948, 22.6ppg
#10t – 2014, 22.6ppg
#10t – 2019, 22.6ppg
December 9th, 2019 at 9:19 pm
Reference (Skip to 30:00 – 31:35)
Deep Blue: Parcells’ Final Ride – Full Documentary
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18g99VWY5pw
December 9th, 2019 at 9:20 pm
I’ve heard a few guys that have called our games saying that for a play caller with a new team it takes a bit of time to get a good feel for his players. Learn what they can and can’t do & gain that sixth sense of which plays/players to lean on in specific situations.
That makes a lot of sence. And it sure does look like Byron has gotten better and better as the season has gone on…….The best illistration is probably the redzone%. We were a bottom team at the start of the year. Climbing all the way to #7 was no small feat & should show how far he’s come as a play caller.
We are too the point now where re we get into the red zone I expect a TD. That doesn’t happen without good playcalling.
December 9th, 2019 at 9:21 pm
So if you minus two turnovers per game – Your team has a 78% chance of losing.
December 9th, 2019 at 9:22 pm
Wise Words from the Immortal Bill Parcells (Concerning Turnovers)
Here’s the reason why “ You don’t turn it over …
• Minus One – You Lose 71% of the time
• Minus Two – You Lose 78% of the time
• Minus Three – You Lose 87% of the time
• Minus four – You Lose 94% of the time
December 9th, 2019 at 9:23 pm
On the other side of the ball I am getting very confident too. Don’t know how y’all feel or felt yesterday…..but when our defense was on the field trying to preserve the win yesterday I was actually confident we would make it happen. Might have to go back about two decades to remember the last time I had that kind of confidence!!
December 9th, 2019 at 9:23 pm
*10t – 1948, that should be 1958.
December 9th, 2019 at 9:25 pm
LUVMYBUCS – You lose 100% of the games where you score less points than the other team.
December 9th, 2019 at 9:27 pm
What about ties?
December 9th, 2019 at 9:31 pm
JimmyJack – I’ve been happy with the defensive improvement, but yesterday I was just saying to myself let them score with enough time for Winston to get the ball back and score… BUT, deep down inside, I actually had a bit of hope that the defense would make a stand. Generally I have negative amounts of hope that the defense can get it done, so it was quite the improvement.
December 9th, 2019 at 9:40 pm
Joe
Thank you
Thank you
I have saying the same about other pretty damn good quarterbacks!
December 9th, 2019 at 9:42 pm
Let them score? That’s quite a wierd way to look at it.
But they got the job done. They’ve actually had critical late game stops is three of our four wins on this streak……Scarry part is this defense is young. We can actually expect them to get better.
December 9th, 2019 at 9:46 pm
Ironic. The one with the most is the one Jameis is comparable to:
Brett Favre, 29 picks in 2005
December 9th, 2019 at 9:49 pm
Rod – Non-debatable statement. Agreed
Neither can this though
Jameis Winston (69 Games Played) Combined Turnovers: 104 || 1.56 per game <-
December 9th, 2019 at 9:52 pm
Jameis Winston (69 Games Played) Combined Turnovers: 104 || 1.50 per game
December 9th, 2019 at 9:54 pm
Rod … Well, sometimes I do tend to favor the defense in my opinions of the Bucs. Sometimes. Say what you want about Ryan Smith, but he’s still here. All the rest who were in the Secondary prior to the 2018 class have departed, BUT … Ryan Smith is STILL here. And doing pretty well on S/Ts it sounds like. Actually felt sorry for Chris Conte in terms of the way he went out. Guy was playing hurt but still tried his best to make that play that cost him the season. Bummer.
December 9th, 2019 at 9:54 pm
Winston will be under center next season get used to it.
Go Bucs!
December 9th, 2019 at 9:58 pm
What I really like about Jameis is his losing. He’s real good at it and all you guys that like him must like losers too. Protecting the ball is #1 in football. Go figure it out and get back with me.
December 9th, 2019 at 10:03 pm
Jw is elite bro. When he cuts the ints he will be top 3-5.
December 9th, 2019 at 10:03 pm
@Sumosam
Funny how he lost 1 game his entire football career before being drafted by a 2-14 team…
December 9th, 2019 at 10:07 pm
I check score boards and I dont care what happens and there is no scientific way to win.
Just win baby!!!
December 9th, 2019 at 10:10 pm
Buccaneer Bonzai – Actually I’d say he’s most comparable, at the moment, to Carson Palmer since they both played in the same offense and both have very comparable stats. Palmer threw 22 INTs in 2013, when he was a 34-year old, in his first year under Arians.
Then two years later, he threw 11 and the Cards were 13-3 behind a strong offense and strong defense.
Next year, if the Bucs can get any sort of running game and the defense builds off the past few games – Winston’s turnovers will come way down since he won’t be forced to be in a shootout in ever game. If Winston’s TO’s don’t come down yet the defense is much better and the offensive line and running game is good – then at that point you consider seeing what options there are. But right now, while people think there is a crisis, with the #31 defense the Bucs are one kick from being 7-6 with a chance to still finish 10-6. Even now the Bucs can still finish 9-7.
People need to chill out with the sky falling. If the defense can just improve a bit, if Gay can hit his game winning FGs, this team is a playoff team – and that’s with all the turnovers. If Winston makes the 2nd year leap in this offense that you’d expect, then they are a legitimate contender.
December 9th, 2019 at 10:12 pm
Haha Lamarcus. That’s a cool line. No scientific way to win. Like it or not I am definitely stealing that from you.
December 9th, 2019 at 10:22 pm
Hate the comparisons of Winston to quarterbacks of other era’s – it makes no sense. Compare him to quarterbacks in the same year he is playing.
He excels in passing yards most seasons. I give him kudo’s for his ability to make some of those throws.
His offensive line gets maligned but his time to throw is right in the middle of all quarterbacks playing at 2.75 compared to 2.46 for Andy Dalton.
However the worst category for Jameis besides the turnover is his passer rating. Fans like to compare his passer rating to that of Peyton Manning. However, based upon quarterbacks taking snaps this year and last year and the year before that, Winston fails in comparison to his contemporaries.
Here is his ranking in passer rating year by year.
2019 35th
2018 32nd
2017 20th
2016 31st
2015 41st
Ouch – some cause for concern!
December 9th, 2019 at 10:26 pm
How games did Matt Leinart lose in College? What one or two?
Doesn’t matter
Hell Patrick Mahomes was 13-15 at Texas Tech.
December 9th, 2019 at 10:27 pm
how many went for pick 6?
or even more important
how many threw int the 1st drive of the game in multiple games?
Winstons got to have that record, surely!
December 9th, 2019 at 10:38 pm
after 13 games in 2019 season the Bucs are #3 in scoring offense and the QB of that offense is Winston.
December 9th, 2019 at 10:40 pm
6/12 were by HALL OF FAME QBS ….
December 9th, 2019 at 11:03 pm
LUVMYBUCS Says:
December 9th, 2019 at 9:18 pm
Wise Words from the Immortal Bill Parcells (Concerning Turnovers)
Here’s the reason why “ You don’t turn it over …
• Minus One – You Lose 71% of the time
• Minus Two – You Lose 78% of the time
• Minus Three – You Lose 87% of the time
• Minus Three – You Lose 94% of the time
reposted for all the Winston knob gobblers with IQs of under 70.
December 9th, 2019 at 11:08 pm
Yet we have won 3 in a row and 4 out of the last 5 games. At 6-7 a chance to end year with a winning season.
Ouch – some cause for concern.
December 9th, 2019 at 11:09 pm
Let him walk. All other gaudy numbers aside, that many picks usually spells LOSING. Does anyone actually believe he’s going to throw LESS picks in the future? This is his fifth year. If it hasn’t changed by now, it’s unlikely to ever change.
December 9th, 2019 at 11:29 pm
I was a let him walk buc fan. Until I watched this Monday night football game. And jameis is the same age but a lot better than Wentz. We have to resign jameis we could waste a first round pick and be even worse
December 9th, 2019 at 11:30 pm
Man this fan base sucks. They bring out the truth about all the national media favorite quarterbacks and all of them had a lot of turnovers. It’s just part of the game. All those guys had good defenses and running backs . Go compare all those guys teams to Jamies teams and you will see 1,00 yard running backs with decent if not good defenses while Jamies rushing attack has 1 year with a 1,000 yards and 31 to 32 ranked defenses and our offense had been ranked at the top since he been here but it’s Jamies fault???? Lol lol lol now it’s proven that you guys are not real bucs fans yall just hate Jamies…
December 9th, 2019 at 11:31 pm
Get
Actual historical stats says other wise in contrast to opinions
December 9th, 2019 at 11:35 pm
Per Bill Parcells:
December 9th, 2019 at 11:37 pm
TexBuc Says:
December 9th, 2019 at 11:08 pm
Yet we have won 3 in a row and 4 out of the last 5 games. At 6-7 a chance to end year with a winning season.
Ouch – some cause for concern.
Understood. But seems like the culture has changed or its really close. A coach that’s exp. the team is not far away. Resign dline and add acouple players plus draft we might be a winnable 2020 season. And beyond.
December 10th, 2019 at 1:19 am
geno711 – The old QB rating means nothing anymore as almost everyone runs a short passing offense and the old rating system over emphasizes completion percentage.
Instead, the newer QBr system is a much better judge of QB performance since it takes into account the difficulty of the throws you make and the game situation. So an INT when you’re down 17 points in the 2nd quarter because you’re defense is awful and you’re trying to force the team back into the game – that doesn’t count as much as throwing an INT in 2 mins left, two timeouts and at the 50 yard line. Also QBr doesn’t care that much about INTs on hail marys like the anti-Winston dullards here do.
Anywho, Winston’s QBr ranking has been, 2019 – 17th, 2018 – 5th, 2017 – 17th, 2016 – 11th and 2016 – 12th.
BTW, 17th this year puts him ahead of Brissett, Brady, Rivers, Mayfield, Golf, Darnold, Minshew and surprisingly Josh Allen, who I thought was having a very very good year. Also Winston’s 2nd half QBr would put him more in line with 12th, and over the last 3 games his QBr would put him #2 in the league.
December 10th, 2019 at 1:54 am
Give Winston a legit running game, and we wouldn’t be having conversations about “letting Jameis walk”
December 10th, 2019 at 2:39 am
Winston’s hot buttery turnovers sure taste good. Don’t know how many more I can take though.
December 10th, 2019 at 6:26 am
The bottom line here is that, no matter the name on the back of the jersey, you give your team a better chance to win when you don’t turn the ball over.
We’re not discovering a new vaccination or reinventing the wheel. This is a cold, hard FACT.
Spin it how you want to, turnovers matter!
December 10th, 2019 at 7:34 am
Man I’m starting to root for another team because this fan base sucks. It’s not even fun anymore you guys base yall life on this team. Now I’m a bucs fan but man. If we lose it’s a problem and it should be. We start winning and it’s still a problem. Man you guys are not real bucs fans I think just like the national media you guys hate Jamies and you don’t even really know him .
December 10th, 2019 at 7:39 am
Bucsfanman if turnovers matter that much then why is Bret Favre a hall of fame quarterback??? You see you guys just say stuff that contradicts your own beliefs about quarterbacks. All those names but now it’s the rules. If it’s the rules then Brady is not the goat can we all agree.
December 10th, 2019 at 8:30 am
All I know is last year the Jameis haters claimed yards don’t matter. This year he is at the top in yards AND SCORING, and they don’t think that matters either.
Next year he’ll be at the top in yards, scoring and have eleven picks, and they still won’t like him.
They would say a winning season is a fluke. In their eyes, winning a superbowl would not be good enough…because, afterall, Trent Dilfer did too!
December 10th, 2019 at 8:54 am
And it is worse than just the int’s !!! Then and the fumbles and you have 28 turnovers for the year SO FAR !!! We are lucky to win a game with this S#it show at QB . I will keep it simple for the stupid!!! Turnovers -= losses !!!!!!!!!!
December 10th, 2019 at 9:06 am
#3 ‘s the reason why we are out of the playoffs ever year buy Dec. Then Jamies 1of 1 starts telling us we will be better next year and starts asking Can we a have your credit card info please . I say NO not until you get a real QB . NOT a stat machine with half his yards coming in the 4th Q against prevent defense .
December 10th, 2019 at 10:02 am
Oneil- You’re seizing on the turnovers. Brett Favre is in the HOF because he won big games.
The 20 QBs listed above did NOT make the playoffs. THAT is the point. WINS.
It’s exhausting how much people dismiss the turnovers like they don’t matter. Just like a lack of run-game, just like a lack of defense, just like poor kicking!
It ALL matters.
December 10th, 2019 at 10:37 am
Bucsfanm Bret Favre played on some great teams and that’s the real difference in Jamies and Bret Favre. Bret Favre never played on a team that couldn’t run the ball and play defense but Jamies has since he got drafted here all but 1 year with a running game . Ain’t no quarterback or rookie quarterback is going to come in and put up the points Jamies is putting up with no running game and offensive line.
December 10th, 2019 at 10:52 am
Oneil- 100% correct. I’m not arguing that at all. I’m just saying that we can’t just dismiss the turnovers as “non-factors”.
Just consider even a slight decrease puts us in position to win more games.
Decrease the turnovers, add an effective run-game and even just an average defense and we are a playoff team IMO.
December 10th, 2019 at 10:59 am
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poor analysis. Jameis rarely plays in garbage time. Oh and he won 4 of the last 5 games in year one in a new system known for passing first while having nearly the most sacks in league and a 32nd ranked defense. You just gonna hold your cc info the next 5-10 years we have jameis or….?
December 10th, 2019 at 11:02 am
Jameis is the reason we’re out of the playoffs every year….
Meanwhile he’s had an average of a bottom 5-10 ol, run game, special teams, and defense the MAJORITY OF HIS CAREER!
Yep ou, great analysis. The qb with the second most yards and tds and best stats for yards and second for tds by a 26 year old in history is the reason we’re out of the playoffs! excellent contribution to this article!
December 10th, 2019 at 12:30 pm
To make the debate concerning keeping Winston or not, interesting, which players and free agents will we lose due to the ridiculous money the team will have to pay him.
December 10th, 2019 at 7:46 pm
We have no team without a QB.
December 10th, 2019 at 8:54 pm
Sign Barrett. Franchise Jameis.
If Barrett won’t sign, franchise him. Sign Winston to shorter term contract.
Draft or trade for a bruising RB. Trade OJ🤔
Draft or trade for left tackle. Move Smith to right tackle.
December 11th, 2019 at 10:22 pm
Quick run thru on HOF on the list
Favre (who’s on the list 2x)
Big Ben (future HOF)
Eli (future HOF)
Peyton (future HOF)
So I guess int isn’t a death sentence! Don’t let foolish ppl on here x the media tell you otherwise, the proof is here!
December 13th, 2019 at 1:17 am
T REX you read my Mind ..I’ve often thought how Steve Dumeig would have dealt with this quarterback ..As most people myself included I was 100% behind JW from day one but it’s been an obvious rough ride ..If you had a radio from mid 90s on you knew Big Dog like him or not was must listen on Monday following Bucs games and once he turned in ya ..You we’re done….It was his entire Subject matter ..I.E. Dilfer,Dungy,Gruden ..Hell he hated Joe Maddon ! So it would have been interesting to see How he would have handled the most polarizing Bucs player in recent years
Perhaps ever …