“Goat Of The Week”
December 24th, 2019
Bad Jameis.
Bring him back, but be careful!
That’s the word from hot dog eating contest-protesting, mock draft-scowling, L.L. Bean-wearing, Second Amendment abolitionist, Mike Florio-arguing, parrot-insensitive, chewing-with-his-mouth-open, soup-gulping, California train-romancing, anti-football proliferation, outhouse-admiring, airline-napping, steerage-flying, Yogi Berra-worshiping, urinal picture-taking, video game-playing, Taylor Swift-listening, pickpocket-thwarting, Bucs-uniform-frowning, Allie-LaForce-smitten, Big-Ten-Network-hating, pedestrian-bumping, olive oil-lapping, popcorn-munching, coffee-slurping, fried-chicken-eating, oatmeal-loving, circle-jerking, craft beer-chugging, cricket-watching, scone-loathing, college football-naïve, baseball-box-score-reading, NPR-honk, filthy-hotel-staying, fight-instigating, barista-training, Budweiser-tolerant, baseball scorecard-keeping, pasta-feasting, vomit-dodging scrooge, Kay Adams-following social activist NFL insider Peter King of NBC Sports when it comes to the future of Mr. Entertainment, America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston.
King slapped Jameis with the weekly title of “Goat of the Week,” for his four-pick exhibition in a three-point loss to the Texans.
But King confessed he doesn’t know how the Bucs don’t bring Jameis back.
Beware, Team Glazer. Bring Jameis back and you better have an escape plan in case he melts down even more, King wrote.
Four more interceptions, and two clear near-picks dropped by the Texans, in a 23-20 Tampa Bay loss that absolutely, certainly should have been a win. Winston is so good when he’s good, but it is absolutely amazing how often he throws interceptable balls . . . not to mention that he’s thrown nine more interceptions than any quarterback in football this year. I still think the Bucs will agree to some deal with him after the season—and should—but I would be cautious about paying him long-term. Winston is too careless.
The Joe typing here gets the sense — no whispers or anything that Joe has heard, just speculation — that the Bucs bring back Jameis (if he is not franchised) to a four-year contract that matches the length of the contracts of Bucs coach Bucco Bruce Arians and AC/DC-loving general manager Jason Licht.
This is not to say the contract is a concrete four years, just that it has options to get out sooner if need be. Naturally, Team Glazer would have to sweeten the pot to get Jameis’ camp to agree to such a contract.
Look at the bright side, Bucs fans. Without Jameis, the Bucs may have been stuck with Mr. Monday Night.
December 24th, 2019 at 12:12 am
Gee, way to go out on a limb there Joe… The Bucs **might** bring back the NFL’s leading passer, the 25-year old gunslinger who owns all team records for passing…
Well, except for turnovers.
Winston, 19536 yards, 119 TDs, 86 INTs
Testaverde, 14820 yards, 77 TDs, 112 INTs
Dilfer, 12969 yards, 70 TDs, 80 INTs
December 24th, 2019 at 12:15 am
To hear some, the Bucs cannot dump Jameis off at the nearest landfill quick enough.
December 24th, 2019 at 12:19 am
You make fun of Cousins he’s in the playoffs. You make fun of Dalton, he’s been in the playoffs(doesn’t matter if he never won, he made it). It almost as if any other QB will be an insult because Jameis has all the Buc records.
December 24th, 2019 at 12:28 am
The Bucs are on a historic run in terms of offense, the team has been in the top 5 of NFL offenses in 3 of the last 5 years (the team had NEVER done that before), and people act like it’s the offense that is the issue.
The Winston hate is literally a mental disorder at this point.
Worst defense in football since 2015: check
Worst kicking game in football since 2015: check
Hardest schedule since 2016: check
Worst running game since 2016: check
But yeah, if only Mike Glennon was here this defense, running game and special teams would have taken us to the playoffs.
LOL!
December 24th, 2019 at 12:29 am
I know Joe, I was just giving you a bit of a hard time.
December 24th, 2019 at 12:33 am
I’m mad at JW. He blew it for us. Never gave us a chance. With saying that watching Cousins makes me more forgiving of Jw and more appreciative
December 24th, 2019 at 12:35 am
Funny how that works.
December 24th, 2019 at 12:59 am
Here’s some more passing metrics – just stuff I find interesting… Not really good or bad, just info…
Winston has 6247 intended air yards passing – meaning regardless of if it’s caught or not, how far has the ball travelled. That’s over 1000 more yards than Dak, the NFL’s second leading passing.
Winston is averaging 10.4 air yards intended per attempt. That’s #2 in the league, behind only Stafford, who has been injured for half the year.
So you then look at “bad pass rate”… Winston is… #2, in terms of most bad passes, right behind Stafford (and right ahead of Tom Brady).
So wow, amazing stuff here, turns out if you throw deep all the team, you’re not as accurate as guys that don’t throw deep.
Speaking of accuracy, who is the NFL’s most accurate QB? That would be Cousins. Joe Flacco is #3 (lost his job), and Kyle Allen is #6 (lost his job).
As for pressure, Winston is the most pressured QB in the NFL – which makes sense since he’s thrown it more than anyone. Also he’s no longer the top sacked guy, he’s now #2 on the most sacked list. I can not find the stats on how Winston has done under pressure, so if anyone has that, please post it – but in past years Winston has been pretty good against pressure.
Also for as much as the Bucs throw the ball, Winston is only 16th in terms of the number of PA passes. That is, I’d assume, mostly a result of a lack of a running game – although I didn’t research BA’s stats in Arizona so I don’t know if it’s more of a system stat or not.
Also Winston is #38 when it comes to RPO plays ran – tied with Randall Cobb of the Cowboys. Obviously it has to do with the offensive scheme, but it’s still interesting to me.
December 24th, 2019 at 1:14 am
Then again by moving on we could stumble into a great find. Happens every year. Look at Lamar Jackson, he wasn’t expected by many to be this good. Jameis has had 5 season and seems no better than his Tennessee ready game. Quit using that “who ya gonna get better” line. It’s a strawman argument. I say who could actually be worse? Winston’s not winning big games.
December 24th, 2019 at 1:29 am
Who could actually be worse? You’re joking, right?
December 24th, 2019 at 1:38 am
Four more years is an insult to the majority of bucs fans, RayJay
will be a ghost-town and the Glazers know it !.
This is just the news that the rest of the hard working team need,
games p—-d down the drain and their effort goes for nothing.
Where is Mr Football Manziel, we could bring him in as backup and complete the mad hatter circus !
December 24th, 2019 at 1:49 am
So some of you (at least one of you) would rather have Joe Flacco, Mike Glennon, Blake Bortles, Josh Rosen, Eli Manning, Mason Rudolph, Cam Newton, Mitch Trubisky, Marcus Mariota, or Ryan Griffin as our starting QB? You must not watch much football.
December 24th, 2019 at 1:52 am
JW is prolific. Good and bad. He’s Shill Joe’s QB, but not America’s QB.
The dude is already making $20.9M.
4yr deal, 2 yr deal, franchise, let him walk… I’m over it already. It’s going to be a long offseason, I hope BA and the ownership group settle it fairly quickly and spare us any suspense. I trust their decision either way.
If it comes down to money, it means we didn’t really want him.
Give the Bucs an upgrade at RT, no disrespect Dot, you are a standup guy and battled with everything you had. It’s just time to get younger and meaner.
A new RB. Resign as much of the defense as possible.
That will eliminate the excuses for JW, and if bad JW shows up in the first half of the season next year, you move on. Can’t afford to have Dr Jekyl and Mr Hyde if we are serious about playoff football. This is by far my biggest concern about JW Fools Gold. He will win yardage awards, which a lot of you hang on to, (Shill Joe) but that doesn’t mean squat during playoff season. Bad weather and strong defenses are prevalent in the post season. My feeling is JW’s turnovers would also be prevalent.
In BA I Trust!
December 24th, 2019 at 1:58 am
“Ray-jay will be a ghost town” … Ray jay already looked like a ghost town saturday. If Winston comes back, will anyone in this town be excited for Bucs football kicking off in 2020? If they sign him for 4 years this town is done.
December 24th, 2019 at 1:58 am
Mr. State Farm/A-Rodg. has thrown THREE INTS!!!! through 15 games in a tough division and the Packers are 12-3.
TWELVE AND THREE!!!!!!
Shove 5,000 yards passing all related arguments up your arse!!!!
Just to clarify, (and yes I get he might be a HOF QB), but Rodgers has thrown 25 (TWENTY FIVE) less (LESS!!!!!!!) interceptions than Jameis.
I’m not saying the Bucs should get rid of Jameis, I think they should keep him… dude plays every down like it was his last.
But good lord what would the season look like if this kid could just cut his crap by a third?
Madness.
#bucslife
December 24th, 2019 at 1:59 am
*tell me the Packers aren’t playing in a tough division… I dare you.
December 24th, 2019 at 2:04 am
Just call a spade a spade folks.
Odds are, we can’t find anyone better and could most likely find someone worse.
Jameis better be smart enough to realize that he’s setting a lot of records for greatness but at the same time setting even more records for futility.
Pick your poison.
#itsabucslife
December 24th, 2019 at 2:05 am
Vikings didn’t lose tonight because of Cousins.
They were missing Dalvin Cook and Green Bay’s Za’Darius Smith kicked butt.
Would you want a running back that gained 1500- 1600 yards every year who fumbled away the ball twice every game?
December 24th, 2019 at 2:11 am
J.W., that sideways walking like a crab,Americas turnover machine,holder of yardage that don’t equate into wins, Mr Heart Attack giver,maker of swallowing Tums by the hand full, that one that gives you the jitters,Mr Con Artist,nominated for possible coach killer award ………..
yeah him.
Ive jumped off his bandwagon,s crew him.
If it wasn’t for acrobatic catches of M.E. ,his completions would be way down.
J.L., you are not dumb a$$ for that draft,but 5 yrs of this b.s., makes you one.
December 24th, 2019 at 2:21 am
No actually I would rather have Teddy Bridgewater, David Carr, or Alex Smith, and maybe even entertain Andy Dalton
December 24th, 2019 at 2:28 am
Jean Lafitte Says:
December 24th, 2019 at 2:21 am
No actually I would rather have Teddy Bridgewater, David Carr, or Alex Smith, and maybe even entertain Andy Dalton
^^^^^^^ yes sir
December 24th, 2019 at 3:13 am
If this GM has drafted a true weapon like Cook as opposed to this “no contact” pansy TE we’d be in the playoffs right now.
December 24th, 2019 at 3:58 am
@Rod Munch … “So wow, amazing stuff here, turns out if you throw deep all the team, you’re not as accurate as guys that don’t throw deep.”
Rod, you apparently think that you’ve struck the Mother Lode in answering the question ‘Why does Winston throw so many picks?’. I mean, the reason for his INTs are obvious, isn’t it? Not really Rod. THAT’S potentially a reasonable explanation for why Jameis’ completion rate is down where it is (hint: 61.0% for a 5th year QB is NOT all that good), but it’s NOT even close to being an explanation for why he throws so many INTs.
Take a close look at Jameis’ 28 INTs, breaking them down into whether the pass was short or long. Turns out he threw 19 INTs on short passes and only 9 INTs on deep passes. However, even that’s misleading, because 6 INTs were thrown on deep passes very late in the half (1) or very late in the game (5) in desperation (ie, losing). So the REAL ratio is 19 short passes for INTs versus 3 deep passes for INTs.
But wait, there’s more. Of the 28 INTs, 6 were Pick-6’s (42 points), 6 resulted in our defense surrendering TDs (another 42 points), 4 resulted in our defense holding the opponents to FGs (12 points), and our defense held on the other 12 INTs. So Jameis’ 28 INTs resulted in our opponents scoring 96 points … ALL TAGGED AGAINST THE BUCs’ DEFENSE I might add.
But wait again, there’s even more. Of Jameis’ 22 INTs that DIDN’T result in a Pick-6, 15 of those 22 INTs resulted in our opponents getting the ball on OUR side of the field, almost always ALREADY in FG territory. That’s right Rod, OVER TWO-THIRDS of the time they got the ball in Tampa territory pretty much in FG range BEFORE our defense even took the field.
So please Rod, don’t use the excuse that Jameis is throwing INTs because he throws deep more than others do. Take out the meaningless deep throws at the end of games (while losing) and the vast majority (over 85%) of his INTs are from SHORT PASSES. In the flying profession, we used to call it ‘getting tunnel vision’. But with us it was because of pulling a lot of G’s. Jameis can’t use that as an excuse. DBs are jumping those short routes, and Jameis isn’t seeing it IMO.
December 24th, 2019 at 4:33 am
Teddy Bridgewater doesn’t fit the BA offense. He’s going to have a lot of teams coming after him…Why play for a team that absolutely can’t run the ball at all?
Why play for a team that has an avg defense on their best day.
If Dalton comes “NFL Cheap” I’d rather go that route and draft a QB but he has 1yr left on his contract at $17m…They’ll probably trade him…not cut him.
Whatever we do at QB we have to do something with the run game. Line and backs…
December 24th, 2019 at 5:11 am
@Defense Rules – That’s one heck of a good post, the facts certainly do not lie.
I really, really want Jameis to succeed, I think we all do.
The Bucs have LOST 5 games by 7 or fewer points this year, Jameis has thrown 6 TDs to opposing teams.
For sporting purposes let’s just say we’ll split the difference… Or even better yet, perhaps only count 2 of Jameis pick-sixes.
The Bucs would be 9-6 and would have at least been in the race for a wild card.
Instead, we’ve got maybe the most dumbfounding and frustrating season in a long, long time.
What could and should have been this year…
It’s a shame.
December 24th, 2019 at 5:26 am
Since 2015 Winston has thrown a TD on 4.7 percent of his passes.
Since 2015 Winston has thrown an interception on 3.3 percent of his passes.
The difference between those two outcomes places him 35th out of 47 quarterbacks who have started at least 16 games since 2015. But he will have other Buc’s records so forget about that stat please.
Defense adjusted analytics from Football Outsiders show that Winston is 20th in yards above replacement (DYAR) and 22nd in value over average (DVOA). That is out of 34 QB’s rated. But we have the hardest schedule this year per some (not defensively).
As @defense rules noted:
Not only did the 6 pick-sixes result in 42 points, the other turnovers accounted for 55 other points this season against the Buc’s defense. 97 points given up is 23 percent of the total this defense has given up.
But forget that because we need a better running back to gain 15 yards more a game and then Jameis will be better.
Not only did the turnover’s account for points but the Buc’s are the 3rd worst team in giving up opponents superior field position against their defense. But Winston has a lot of yards this year so forget those issues please.
December 24th, 2019 at 5:39 am
“No actually I would rather have Teddy Bridgewater, David Carr, or Alex Smith, and maybe even entertain Andy Dalton”
Spot on – conveniently forget to mention these options and your
argument might have some merit – any one is an upgrade, even
Andy Dalton !
December 24th, 2019 at 5:52 am
Aaron Rodgers just threw his 3rd interception of the year last night……think about that……it took him all year to equal what Jameis does in one game….
King was right…..he was the Goat and we should have won.
December 24th, 2019 at 6:01 am
Rodney Munch Says:
December 24th, 2019 at 12:12 am
Gee, way to go out on a limb there Joe… The Bucs **might** bring back the NFL’s leading passer, the 25-year old gunslinger who owns all team records for passing…
Well, except for turnovers.
Winston, 19536 yards, 119 TDs, 86 INTs
Testaverde, 14820 yards, 77 TDs, 112 INTs
Dilfer, 12969 yards, 70 TDs, 80 INTs
Hahahahaha I still don’t understand why sooo many bucs fans are defending Jameis with his stats. Here’s a stat that should shut you all up Winston has 28W-41L to add to that lustrous stat filled resume. Oh and let’s not forget that that Dilfer and testaverde spent more than 5 years as bucs so Winston still has time to destroy their interception records too lol. We need a QB and Winston is nothing than a decent back up QB that has flashes of greatness. I am actually curious to see how many yards Winston would have including the interception return yards and pick 6’s. Hahahaha
December 24th, 2019 at 6:02 am
This is a bogus take, Joe. Four years and sweeten the pot? AYSM? That is a team-killing giveaway.
On Winston, two years max 30 million, 20 guaranteed, and no, no franchise tag. Yes, some incentives like making the playoffs would be fine. Get stuck with Cousins over Winston? Where do we sign up?
Winston isn’t working, and he won’t work. This isn’t the coaching job where you don’t replace him until you have someone better. Coaches don’t count against the salary cap. For every dollar they waste on Winston that’s a dollar they can’t spend on someone else. When it’s broken, you swap out the part for something else…it may or may not work, but it’s better than KNOWING it’s not going to work. This isn’t like we’re at the end of the first couple of years.
No rationale person thinks Winston can still turn it around. I’m beginning to think Joe is just worried that when Winsotn goes, he won’t have access to the new guy, or is terrified that happy fans won’t need to visit the site. There is no other way to explain it.
December 24th, 2019 at 6:08 am
Since the D has played better and since Winston has had time to be more comfortable in the new system (that isn’t extremly different from the last one, and he’s got the same receivers for the most part), since all that…Winston’s INTs have gotten considerably worse.
Some people think Jerry Jones should blow his stack? They haven’t seen the Glazers with Winston. Young man screwed them over so many ways.
December 24th, 2019 at 6:28 am
Defense rules Just schooled the butt muncher once again
December 24th, 2019 at 6:41 am
DR, The issues with short passes is the reason he would not be an effective West QB, IMO. If memory serves a number defenders have come out and said that
Jameis stares down receivers. Believe it was Talib that first mentioned this after their blowout over us years ago.
Jameis is still an enigma , he has shown that he can be pretty good in the deep
passing game for Arians offense. There is also a certain lack of awareness of where defenders are on the field, and it results in defenders having a better angle on the ball than his receiver at times. There is not enough evidence that he has earned the pay raise of an upper echelon QB at this time, IMO.
December 24th, 2019 at 6:48 am
Great post Defense Rules. Going to be a bit tough for him to argue against that. Mic drop on that for sure!
December 24th, 2019 at 6:50 am
Who you gonna replace him with? Some rookie? NO THANKS! Keep Jameis and ride the bull. Sure you might get knocked off at some point, but it’s going to be one hell of an interesting time.
December 24th, 2019 at 7:52 am
A truly dumb franchise deserves a stupid qb
December 24th, 2019 at 7:56 am
Look, we know what Jameis is and isn’t. So the question is IF we bring him back, what’s a barely 60% passer, who’s as likely to turn the ball over as he is to toss a TD pass worth? If someone said anything above $20 mil, I’d say let him walk! A rookie would be way cheaper, and allow us to re-sign guys like Barrett, Godwin, etc to long term deals, and maybe get a couple of good free agents to help the team.
Bring Winston back if he wants to take a pay cut….otherwise, why waste good money on the same old results?
December 24th, 2019 at 7:59 am
Mort, interesting doesn’t win games. Consistent play where the QB taking care of the football while others on the team do their jobs is the best remedy. When you’re gambler like Winston the best you can hope for is to break even. That is not good enough in the NFL. You don’t even have to have a rookie to start righting the ship…a game manager QB is better than the sure bet of the Winston turnovers.
December 24th, 2019 at 8:00 am
$20 million is more than Tom Brady makes. Winston is not worth 10 even, but I could see paying him 15 with some incentives paid AFTER he peforms.
December 24th, 2019 at 8:01 am
The Who better argument is dumb
You don’t think the QB Whisperer, Tom Moore and Byron Leftwich can elevate the game of Rivers, Dalton or Bridgewater? Or a rookie?
You don’t think a free agent or rookie would benefit throwing to two Pro Bowl receivers and a 1st round talent at TE?
I can almost guarantee a free agent or rookie would not turn the ball over over 30 times in a season
December 24th, 2019 at 8:49 am
Bob in Valrico … Jameis does seem to have a ‘rep’ for staring down receivers, but I have no idea how valid it is. Or even how often he does it IF he does it. Personally I think he’s the product of his training.
Koetter for 4 years & now Arians emphasize the Deep Strike, Bombs Away attack. It’s probably no coincidence that the Bucs right now have the most passing yards in the NFL (4,926 yards), followed by #2 Falcons (4,736 yards). Dallas uses a similar philosophy it seems … they’re #3 with 4,599 passing yards. ALL THREE TEAMS have similar records (Bucs 7-8 & Falcons 6-9 & Cowboys 7-8).
YAC is also similar for all 3 teams. Bucs are #9 with 1,884 YAC; Cowboys are #11 with 1,787 YAC; Falcons are #12 with 1,784 YAC. All 3 teams obviously have some very good receivers AND QBs who can chuck it deep.
I have no idea HOW Jameis has been taught, but I’d suspect that QBs in an attack like that look deep then work back on many plays by design. Since Jameis is throwing so many of his INTs on short passes, I kinda wonder if those are by design or ‘fallback throws’ if the deeper routes don’t open up soon enough. Only Jameis & his coaches know for sure what’s going on, but when you lead the league by so much in INTs, something’s definitely wrong. And the TEAM is paying the price.
December 24th, 2019 at 9:05 am
Mort … Found an interesting article this morning about Derek Carr, Raiders’ QB. Some think that Gruden will be looking to move on from him when they move to Las Vegas after this season. Carr’s under contract through 2022 ($21.5 mil in 2020, $22.2 mil in 2021 & $19.9 mil in 2022).
Derek Carr intrigues me (I wanted to draft him way back in 2014, but the Raiders picked him 2 positions before we picked ASJ in the 2nd round). He’s improved steadily every year, even though the team around him stunk IMO. He’s only missed 2 games in 6 years, and this year he’s completing over 70% of his passes & will throw for close to 4,000 yards.
Reality right now is that the Bucs are probably stuck with Winston because we have no replacement waiting in the wings. BUT … MAYBE there’s a trade opportunity in there with the Raiders (AFTER we franchise tag Jameis of course, because right now, he’ll shortly be a UFA).
December 24th, 2019 at 9:07 am
Ever wonder why the nfl doesn’t think Winston is a very good qb and yet some local fans accept him with all the excuses made still after 5 years
December 24th, 2019 at 9:07 am
“Mr Monday Night” is going to the playoffs and his defense is pretty good. Nuff said.
December 24th, 2019 at 9:11 am
If the Glazer’s treat this as a business decision Jameis will be gone. Half the fans hate him, half the fans want him back. A lot of those who want him back think he’s our best option, not so much he’s great. The stands were empty Saturday. They bring back JW, and he keeps screwing the pooch the half that want him back will have had enough. How many Lamar Jackson jerseys have been sold this year around the country compared to Winston? Comes down to business, and making money, Jameis will be gone.
December 24th, 2019 at 9:11 am
DR – fine work Sir! Unfortunately, it makes me want another real option as QB. High draft position on QB? Or David Carr?
In BA I Trust!
December 24th, 2019 at 9:55 am
This is a pointless argument. What is the point of bringing him back, even at backup money? We’ve seen it. It’s a train wreck.
He spits in the face of a weeks worth of game planning within the first quarter of most games and sends the coaching staff into a frenzy to reorganize every week.
Get him out of here. I dont care if he agrees to play for $10 million a year, get him out of here. Keeping this defense together will go a lot further towards sustained winning than keeping this bum at anywhere close to $25 million a year.
December 24th, 2019 at 10:01 am
These high paid sports people run their mouths a lot but I am sure Arians and the Glazers will tag Winston for 2020 and draft and develop a QB or sign one in free agency. I am pretty sure whatever they do with Winston there will be an out clause. I love Winston but his inconsistents will make anyone who sign him put in some type of out claus in any contract they offer him
December 24th, 2019 at 10:02 am
Recipe for winning. Run the ball. Defense. And turnovers.
We suck in all 3 areas. Even with the defense playing better all the d line is free agents.
So to Bruce’s point keep everyone in defense and that should help. Running game idk. Turnover idk jameis leads by example but everyone else has it shares too.
December 24th, 2019 at 10:54 am
You don’t sign a quarterback to a multi year deal because of passing yards and touchdowns. You do it because he can clearly lead you to the playoffs and take care of the football and win games.
Multi year deal means they think he is that guy even though he hasn’t shown an ability to win games he shouldn’t. Sign him long term and he plays the exact same and no playoffs in the next 2-3 years and you basically have wasted 3 years and mike evans career and looking for his successor. Sign him fine but you better get in a position to draft a quarterback.
All he this year was go on a 4 game roll that killed the teams chance of drafting his replacement and now that he has succeeded in that he will keep on giving the ball away like Halloween candy knowing we’re stuck with him.
December 24th, 2019 at 11:37 am
JW reminds me of the skydiving champion that held every record then forgot to pack his chute properly.
December 24th, 2019 at 11:47 am
Those of you who say but but jameis had a terrible defense. He doesnt help the defense at all with all those interceptions. One could make the argument that jameis is a large part of why the defense looks terrible. Jameis puts them in a hole a few times every game. That being said he needs to come back for at least one more season.
December 24th, 2019 at 12:25 pm
“I’m not saying the Bucs should get rid of Jameis, I think they should keep him… dude plays every down like it was his last.”…………………Because he has too. All of the mistakes that he makes requires him to go for broke to keep the team in the game. That is not how you have success in the league.
December 24th, 2019 at 12:31 pm
Man what a freakshow QB lol.
December 24th, 2019 at 12:42 pm
“the Bucs bring back Jameis (if he is not franchised) to a four-year contract that matches the length of the contracts of Bucs coach Bucco Bruce Arians and AC/DC-loving general manager Jason Licht.” – Joe
This is exactly what I’ve been auggesting for weeks. Incentive can bring the price down, unless he meets them. And if he does, we have oyr long term franchise QB.
Guarantee 2 years pre-incentives.
December 24th, 2019 at 12:50 pm
sunshine Says:
December 24th, 2019 at 9:07 am
“Ever wonder why the nfl doesn’t think Winston is a very good qb and yet some local fans accept him with all the excuses made still after 5 years”
Hate to break it to you, but Packers fans felt the same way about Brett Favre years ago. The differwnce was that their defense made up for his faults, so they won more games.
It’s frustrating, but it CAN work out in time. Possibly.
Drafting a young guy is not the answer though. Arians won’t be around long enough to develop him. And there are no quality guys that will be free agents.
December 24th, 2019 at 1:42 pm
Do we really want more of THIS. Look at Tennessee they sat Mariota started playing their back up and will probably make the playoffs. Don’t tell me we can’t draft a q.b. and sign a veteran q.b.. It’s time to move forward, and stop wasting more years.
December 24th, 2019 at 2:12 pm
@Defense Rules “ … @Rod Munch … “”So wow, amazing stuff here, turns out if you throw deep all the team, you’re not as accurate as guys that don’t throw deep.”” Rod, you apparently think that you’ve struck the Mother Lode in answering the question ‘Why does Winston throw so many picks?’. I mean, the reason for his INTs are obvious, isn’t it? Not really Rod. ”’
Actually I was referring to a very particular stat with that statement, the “bad pass” stat, meaning he wasn’t on target. On stated, Winston was second worst – the first worst was the only guy who threw deep more of the time. Also, as stated – the person behind Winston was Tom Brady.
Tom Brady has the NFL’s #1 defense.
Winston has the NFL’s #30 defense.
Tom Brady has played the NFL’s easiest schedule since 2016.
Winston has played the NFL’s hardest schedule since 2016.
Tom Brady has had the best coach in NFL history.
Winston has had Lovie Smith and Dirk for 4 of his 5 years.
Anywho, I thought I’d throw in the Tom Brady stuff just to trigger you further – and of course it worked. But everything above is true.
Also what about that stupid commercial they play non-stop of Brady throwing a pass against the Giants… Brady overthrows an easy ball under no pressure and the pro-bowl receiver has to make a great play to get to the ball. That’s how it would be described by you all if that was Winston – and that’s why your hate is just a mental health issue at this point.
Oh, and you’re the one who thought Chris Conte and Ryan Smith were good players – so your player evaluation skills need a ton of work.
December 24th, 2019 at 2:14 pm
Wesley. The only problem with that is Jameis would have taken the Titian’s to the playoffs the last 3 season if he were their Qb. They have a good TEAM.
The problem with your and Jean’s idea that great Qbs are easy to find and anyone is better than Jameis is we’ve tried that method for 40 plus years and Jameis is the best Qb we’ve ever had. I don’t want to start another 40 plus year search for a better Qb.
December 24th, 2019 at 2:20 pm
Rod- I know that commercial and thought the same thing with that pass to Edelman. I watch football now always thinking ‘how would they describe that Qb pass or play if it where Jameis’. Very different is always the answer.
December 24th, 2019 at 2:30 pm
I’m tired of the whole thing. Frankly, this team isn’t working with Winston as the QB. You can complain about the all the other parts of the team, but the bottom line is that the team does not consistently win with Winston as the QB. This is a qb league. 25± turnovers tell me that we can’t get past the Saints or other playoff teams in the league with this type of QB play.
December 24th, 2019 at 2:42 pm
Joe knows WAY too much about Peter King…creepy
December 24th, 2019 at 2:44 pm
Someone said “who wouldn’t be better?”, I named off the QB’s who I believe wouldn’t be better. Way to take it out of context.
December 24th, 2019 at 3:32 pm
Kirk Cousins is a better QB to be “stuck” with than Jay-Miss.
December 24th, 2019 at 3:35 pm
Bonzai, your guarantees and predictions are worthless. You predicted Adam Humphries and Kwon Alexander would be a pro bowler. LOL!
December 24th, 2019 at 4:11 pm
t’was the night before christmas, and all thru bay, winstons contract was lurking, much to fans dismay, the season bout over, playoffs no no, jameis demands, or some say he’ll go, maybe the bears, or a titans delight, many in tampa want him gone tonight, he’ll break five thousand and this is for sure, but a wink of his eye, he’ll throw interceptions galore, five years a gunning number one pick, with all of his yardage he sure makes us sick, so on that day, will jason see the licht, will jameis hit the lotto, or will he take flight? pondering pondering what will they do? will leave many a fan happy, and many poo poo!!! it’s a bucs life, as always go bucs merry christmas everyone
December 24th, 2019 at 7:32 pm
D-Rome – In fairness, Kwon was being called the 49er’s MVP before he got hurt. It’s true, go google it. He was having a great year for the 49ers up until that point.
On Hump…
“Rod Munch Says:August 6th, 2019 at 4:08 am
Don’t worry, we can get Hump back next year when the Titans cut him after he puts up 450 yards and 2 TDs after Mariota is missing him on every other play even though he’s only 6 feet away.”
Well, I was overly optimistic it turns out. He has 374 yards and 2 TDs… and Mariota was missing him from 6 feet away which is why Mariota got benched. But what did the Titans find out? Hump isn’t a #2 WR. I could have told them that and saved them a lot of money.
Anywho, if the Titans cut him (not sure about his guaranteed money) he would make a nice underneath safety blanket – and the Bucs could get him for cheap. I know Hump doesn’t fit this offense, but as a #4 WR and part time punt returner, he’d be someone I’d want. Just not at $9m a year.
December 24th, 2019 at 8:12 pm
Defense Rules…don’t treat Winston like he is a coach that you don’t replace if you can’t find someone better. If you know he’s not going to get you where you need to go, you don’t stick with him … period. you don’t know if someone better is there. You just know he is not doing the job, and won’t. He is hurting the Buc paying someone else due to the cap. You never hold other guys back because you are not sure about another player and want to pay him in case. 3k and half the turnovers gets my vote. I don’t give a crap about 5000 garbage yards. Nor does any other team apparently.