“Bad House In A Good Neighborhood”
December 27th, 2019
One of the greatest football players in Ivy League history, a former All-Pro NFL defensive end, has weighed in with a special take on America’s Quarterback, Jameis Winston.
Marcellus Wiley is usually a fun listen. He’s typically prepared and well-versed during his spots on FS1.
After watching another Jameis turnover festival on Saturday, Wiley explained that Jameis is “a bad house in a good neighborhood.”
The conversation centered around contract negotiations and Jameis’ reported desire for at least $30 million per season when his rookie deal ends in a handful of weeks.
Using the real estate analogy, Wiley explained that Jameis has the “good comps” with the big touchdown and passing yards numbers, so his agents have a case for the big money — or at least enough to start very high.
Wiley reminded fans that quarterbacks live in rich neighborhoods; if you can play, you get paid huge money. And even though Jameis is a “bad house,” per Wiley, he’s still got the numbers and the talent to be a member of the homeowners association.
Co-host Jason Whitlock scoffed and made the intriguing point that the free agent market wouldn’t be too big for Jameis because Bruce Arians is such a great coach. His logic is that coaches around the league will be thinking, ‘If Arians couldn’t stop the turnovers, I’m not betting I can.”
December 27th, 2019 at 1:05 pm
Lets see, a 5000+ yard passer, 2nd in the league in TDs, 3rd highest scoring offense… playing with the #30 defense…
But yeah, Winston is the issue. Without him this is a playoff defense and special teams.
LOL!
Just more dullards running their mouth.
December 27th, 2019 at 1:11 pm
Let’s see Rodney, 6 pick sixes, 100 points off of turnovers that the defense had to defend a short field. Bucs would be in the playoffs if not for his interception.
December 27th, 2019 at 1:17 pm
Dewey Selmon – LOL! You do know literally every team has points off turnovers, right? Also you know you win by scoring more points than the other guys, right? So for example, lets say the team is giving up 25 points a game instead of 28, which would be a massive improvement, but the offense is only scoring 12 points a game (assuming Mike Glennon is the QB for example)… well, do you get how that works?
I know you Winston haters have a hard time with math since you’re constantly triggered, walking around shaking and shouting at strangers… but think about the math for a while and get back to me.
I’ll pray for you.
God bless.
December 27th, 2019 at 1:17 pm
its a shame that Jameis has to always be the scapegoat.. can’t blame it all on him. Yea the picks suck but dive deep into the film and see the bad routes being ran, guys in the wrong spots, practice squad players getting a lot of snaps (texans game). without Jameis this team wouldn’t be exciting and would be much worse. I see ppl commenting saying build your team around the defense smh THIS IS AN OFFENSIVE GAME THESE DAYS! NFL changed its rules to allow teams to score more points so the game is more interesting to the fans watching. This team needs Jameis I have faith in him that he will get much better with the picks after he gets a better O-LINE and running game
December 27th, 2019 at 1:19 pm
Winston gave away two and a half games worth of offensive possessions this year. He has more interceptions this year than Aaron Rodgers has had in the last five years combined, but he’s somehow worth the same money?
Wins, wins get you paid. Handicapping an otherwise solid team does not.
December 27th, 2019 at 1:19 pm
JW can 150 INTs in 1 season and folks will find 151 reasons why it wasnt his fault…..lol…
GO BUCS!!!!!!
December 27th, 2019 at 1:20 pm
“Bucs would be in the playoffs if not for his interception.”
Dewey, that’s quite a statement, are you assuming we would’ve been able to score as many points? With who?
Lots of talkin out the side of your neck.
Whotlock’s “logic” is also pure speculation. Teams could just as easily say oh wow he’s a 5,000 yard passer bla bla AND he had an inexperienced coordinator.
December 27th, 2019 at 1:22 pm
Alaskan Abdominal Snowman – Dude, this defense is better than the 2002 defense… it’s only Winston that is holding them back.
LOL!
December 27th, 2019 at 1:28 pm
Why can’t we all just get along?!
Picture a Bucs team with fewer turnovers, better defense, a run-game, and a competent kicker. We saw very, very few instances where all of these aspects played out this year.
What if?!
December 27th, 2019 at 1:30 pm
Rodney the defense is not a issue any more. Stop living in the past man. Sheesh.
December 27th, 2019 at 1:33 pm
JimmyJack – Yeah, the team is 4-2 over the 6 as the defense has finally started to play well. That pro-rates to an 11-5 record. It’s why I’m excited for next year.
December 27th, 2019 at 1:34 pm
LOCATION LOCATION LOCATION!!!!!!!!!!!
Florida is riddled with so many areas like this……..nice house but poopy neighborhood.
$250,000 house next to a $70,000 trailer/double wide manufactured home……LOL!!!!!!
Winston right now reminds me of that bad house in a good neighborhood…………Winston is the bad house——-DON’T GET IT TWISTED!!!!!!!!!!!
December 27th, 2019 at 1:34 pm
When you break down his numbers even when you take In account of passing attempts. His int rate which takes that into account is 5 times higher than the top 10 qbs.
If anything his sheer number attempts from putting the team down early and forcing their hands to throw to get back into the game has given him a crazy amount of attempts to amass these yards. This sheer volume has inflated his numbers.
If Ryan Tannehill had the same number of attempts as Winston at the rate of his current stats Per an attempt, he would have 5757 yards 45tds and 13 ints with a game left to play.
December 27th, 2019 at 1:37 pm
Bucsfanman – I know, right. People pretend as if Winston is going to throw 30 INTs every year, even though he’s never thrown more than 18 before.
Winston will improve in his second year in the offense, the same way a 34-year old Carson Palmer threw 22 with BA in year 1 and cut that to 11.
Mix Winston being better along with the defense hopefully building on the 2nd half of the year and this is a very very good football team, one that will make a deep playoff run.
Exciting times are ahead.
Unless you’re a Winston hater, in that case you’re just a triggered idiot who thinks Trent Dilfer was a better QB than Winston since he took the team to the playoffs. LOL!
December 27th, 2019 at 1:38 pm
Sorry Rodney. It doesn’t work that way. In the NFL you only get one game. One loss literally does end you season. You can’t have blow up games like Winston just had last week. Not if your goal is to be a true contender.
To play make pretend if our defense had played well all year we very well could have been playing for a playoff spot against the Texans. A performance like that would mean elimination. It is not good enough. There has to be some level of consistency or it will never be good enough.
December 27th, 2019 at 1:39 pm
“Bolby Says:
December 27th, 2019 at 1:34 pm
When you break down his numbers even when you take In account of passing attempts. His int rate which takes that into account is 5 times higher than the top 10 qbs.”
LOL! Literally fake news…
If you’re going to talk stats, talk real stats – not your feelings about what you think the stats are.
December 27th, 2019 at 1:41 pm
Arians is not going to get rid of Winston where is he going to get a quarterback that can throw 45 times a game and not give a sh_t if it’s a touchdown or an interception.
December 27th, 2019 at 1:42 pm
But Winston will be back next year with this defense. So we will see how he responds. We likely will be playing for a playoff position in December…..or a division title or a bye or whatever.
Winston gonna have to step up his game. We just cannot have a performance like that. He does have to get better. Period.
December 27th, 2019 at 1:42 pm
“Look at those eyes
The eyes are the window to the soul
Those eyes are saying
Is that Gump at the Oklahoma game scouting Jalen Hurts”
Kobe Faker
December 27th, 2019 at 1:44 pm
Entertainment, is the fashion word now sponsored by Joe….I don´t need entretainment from my QB, I need delivery, I need stability I need somebody I can trust.
You can throw thousands of yards, but if you are going to turn the ball over that much is not entretainment is just stupid football.
We as Bucs Fans have one decade without playoffs and half of that decade was with JW…..Why would you pay him the big bucs????
Just give me one damm reason we should drop 30mm!!!!!!!
December 27th, 2019 at 1:44 pm
Someone recently learned the word “triggered”.
December 27th, 2019 at 1:45 pm
JimmyJack – Well the team isn’t a contender and that game didn’t make or break the season. You know when the team was a contender, when it mattered? When the team played in Seattle. That game mattered, and the defense was an abortion that lost the game.
Anyways if that game did matter, then why wasn’t there a public lynching of Brate who dropped perhaps the easiest ball of his career – that at the very very worst ties the game. Why not the public outrage at OJ for dropping what should have been a pretty easy catch, that again, puts the team in FG range.
The fake outrage all directed at Winston is fake news. Just like you still clinging to the idea that Winston threw a bad pass at the end of the San Fran game. When presented with evidence, including video evidence, and the HC saying it wasn’t on Winston on that play, you still repeat the same garbage you have all year. You’re just another anti-Winston dullard who repeats himself – then pretends like this last game was a playoff game and the QB wasn’t let down by his TEs, didn’t have a broken hand and wasn’t missing two all-pro WRs…
December 27th, 2019 at 1:46 pm
zzbuc – Hate to break it to you kid, but football is LITERALLY entertainment.
Literally.
December 27th, 2019 at 1:47 pm
wantstastayabuc – Triggered by saying triggered. LOL!
December 27th, 2019 at 1:48 pm
Yes JimmyJack all QBs are perfect every game accept for Jameis. You are correct he is the one player holding this team back and of course we would have been the highest scoring team in the NFL if it wasn’t for him. Heck if we just had some undrafted free agent out of college we probably have gone undefeated. Dang that Jameis it’s all his fault.
December 27th, 2019 at 1:50 pm
Wow … I guess football season is now 5weeks long. Lol
JimmyJack Says:
December 27th, 2019 at 1:30 pm
Rodney the defense is not a issue any more. Stop living in the past man. Sheesh.
December 27th, 2019 at 1:51 pm
Again like I said earlier if this defense simply played all year the way they played the last 4 games we would be in the playoffs this with nothing else being changed including the TOs.
December 27th, 2019 at 1:53 pm
Rod you say that JW plays with the #30 Defense.
I would argue that much of that is on Jameis. Anytime a Defense has 35 extra possessions on a short field (Usually already in FG range) that they are going to allow more points therefore driving their ranking down. Not to mention when they bust their tails to get the offense the ball back and they don’t even have time to drink a cup of water before they have to get back on the field cause JW just gave the ball back to the other team again.
I mean is kind of a ‘Chicken or the Egg’ deal
December 27th, 2019 at 1:54 pm
Both. Defense. Jameis. RB. Oline. Wr. Gay. played well we will be 4th. 5th. Or 6th seed.
December 27th, 2019 at 1:55 pm
I put both. Defense and jameis is the whole offense.” One”
December 27th, 2019 at 1:56 pm
Rodney Munch….Its entretainment when I play good football and when I win grampa…..Its not fun to me and does not entretain me when we turn the ball over that much, is not fan to me having just two winning season on the last 10 years, is not fan to me a QB demanding big money when he is a mediocre QB at least…….Is there anything better on the market? , not sure, probably not, but what I am sure is that his value is not a top tier type of QB….Literally
December 27th, 2019 at 1:57 pm
Guys, regardless of whether you’re a ‘fan’ or ‘hater,’ Jameis has to clean up his game. The odds of success just plummet when teams turn the ball over.
If we can get the WHOLE team playing well in the SAME game, I don’t see us losing a bunch of games. Does anyone else?!
December 27th, 2019 at 1:57 pm
Ndog, if my grandma had rocks, it wouldn´t be my grandma would be my gramnpa!!!
December 27th, 2019 at 1:57 pm
So SB then why did the defense get dominated by the Giants, NO, Cardinals, Rams and Seattle?
December 27th, 2019 at 1:58 pm
Rodney I’m willing to forget about our awful defense from earlier in the year but only because they now have the scheme down. Yes the past suck but I will forgive and forget because our future looks great.
Not that it should matter but I am on record saying Brate can’t deliver under pressure and still owes us from his drop against New England on Thurs Night…..Now he has 2 drops to make up for…….Also on record saying that I can’t stand OJ Howard. Probably one of the few fans that never cared for him…..Again not that it should matter.
As for the San Fran pick I watched that play enough times. If we disagree we disagree. It’s common for sports fans to disagree so don’t get worked up about it……BTW that evidence you say works for both cases.
Also I like Winston. But I do criticize when necessary. You don’t have to believe me……ki da nerdy that you care so much.
December 27th, 2019 at 1:59 pm
Zzbuc if you had a clue you wouldn’t be clueless, but here we are.
December 27th, 2019 at 2:00 pm
@Rodney Munch
Are u watching the same games as us?
How about the game in New Orleans, Winston threw 2 interceptions called back by penalties and 3 more should be interceptions dropped by defenders… should have been a 5 pick game, then the next game in London he threw 5 after everybody touted his “zero” interception game vs Saints
He is an abortion gone wrong
December 27th, 2019 at 2:01 pm
SB – The last time I looked, a couple of weeks ago, I think the Bucs are near the bottom of the list in terms of average defensive start position – however the difference between them and like #10 was like 0.7 of a yard (I think, I’m doing it by memory but I’m normally pretty good at those details). Plus the Bucs time of possession was 7th in the league. Additionally TOP is based on the game clock, but because the team passes more than anyone else, it means more stoppages due to incomplete passes, etc, so the actual time the defense has between series is much higher than usual.
With that said I do appreciate that you’re just talking stats and logic. Feel free to counter if you find different or updated stats than what I have.
December 27th, 2019 at 2:01 pm
I’ll put like this ladies and gentlemen.
Blame/ fault goes like this.
Jameis 30%
Offense – (Rb,te, oline, wr) 20%
Defense 25%
Special team 15%
Referees 10%
December 27th, 2019 at 2:01 pm
NDog you always put words in my mouth…..I never say he is one guy holding the team back. I said he can’t have a meltdown game like he just had. If he does we will get eliminated next year. You tell me how we could ever win a playoff game like that?
December 27th, 2019 at 2:02 pm
Ndog—- You know what clueless is? sistematically defending a turn over machine and only admiiting that he played badly this season only once……..That is what clueless means.
Its always on the defense on the running game on the OL…..only once I read you blamming JW, just once!!!!!
…..and I am the clueless……funny…..or sad?
December 27th, 2019 at 2:03 pm
The consistency part does matter dude jeez……this aren’t like a big league slugger going into a slump for three weeks. In football it’s one game. That’s all you get.
Y’all gotta learn how valuable consistency is.
Sorry I just don’t wanna learn the hard way. It’s heartbreaking.
December 27th, 2019 at 2:06 pm
Adrnagy…..Fair point that it’s five weeks only. I’m betting our defensive play is sustainable.
Another good test this week. If we get blowed out you can mock me……til then bite me hahaha.
December 27th, 2019 at 2:06 pm
NDog there are 9 ints and 3 fumbles in those few games you mention. Lol
12 freaking T.Os!!!!!!!!
Plus most of those games we still had VH3 on the field instead of letting our rookies get more reps. If you can’t see the logic of how turnovers hurt Defensive stats then I can’t help you
December 27th, 2019 at 2:07 pm
SteelStudBuc – Which Saints game the one where the defense gave up 4 TDs to Teddy Bridgewater, which was 45% of his season total in one game?
Anywho, with that said, the Saints are clearly a better team than the Bucs and with Brees they have an elite offense, plus they have a very very good defense. There’s a reason they’re playing for the #1 seed in the NFC going into week 17.
You can not put every lose on the offense or defense, sometimes, the other team is just better.
Hopefully, next year, teams will be saying that about the Bucs as they go deep into the playoffs.
December 27th, 2019 at 2:09 pm
Jameis will probably have 15 interceptions next year.We will have a better run game and an improved offensive and defensive line.Jameis should be back on a one year deal.Everything rests on the shoulders of Jason licht.Keep our defense and build the lines—MAKE IT HAPPEN MR. SMILEY FACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
December 27th, 2019 at 2:09 pm
JimmyJack you’re right and Jameis knows it. He even said I can’t do that. I CANT DO THAT.
Who knows if he ever really figures out the interceptions. I say he’s always gonna average like 14-16 Ints and this year is an outlier. I can live with that.
Someone said if this defense played like this all year we would be on the playoffs, I couldn’t agree more. Not only that the INTs would be lower because we would be running more instead of being in shootouts constantly.
It’s all hand in hand, complementary football. While I may not agree 100% with the percentages, Adrnagy gets it. There is blame to go all around on this team and Jameis has his fair share but he is not even half the problem.
December 27th, 2019 at 2:10 pm
“Adrnagy Says:
December 27th, 2019 at 2:01 pm
I’ll put like this ladies and gentlemen.
Blame/ fault goes like this.
Jameis 30%
Offense – (Rb,te, oline, wr) 20%
Defense 25%
Special team 15%
Referees 10%”
Ouch… the Winston haters are going to rail on you since they know it’s 99% on Winston…
Anywho, that’s the 8-games we’ve lost, what about the 7-games we’ve won? The Winston haters will tell you that it’s 99% on the defense, and 1% on special teams.
December 27th, 2019 at 2:10 pm
Damned if you want Winston to stay and damned if you want him gone. Sufferin succotash.
December 27th, 2019 at 2:12 pm
I agree that that Texans game was disheartening, for even the most ardent Jameis supporter, like myself.
It was as though he couldn’t deal with a little prosperity finally. The national press was speaking very highly of him. For once, a vast majority of BUCS fans seemed to be onboard with getting him back here.
And then he went out and played that game. Sigghhhhh
He was throwing the ball as though it was still Mike & Chris out there. He trusts his guys (even inexperienced guys) to a fault sometimes. It definitely hurt him in that game, and rocked my faith too.
But at the end of the day, I still believe he is the man to be here at QB, and to lead this offensive charge going forward… and into the playoffs next year.
December 27th, 2019 at 2:12 pm
bucs will win against falcons. Let’s see if the Secondary plays consistent. Because you know dline. Lb play good. Hooper vs. white or lvd. Good match up to see.
December 27th, 2019 at 2:12 pm
Funny thing is I actually picked up the Bucs Defense in week 13 and rode them to a win in my league!
At the beginning of the yr I wouldn’t have even thought about picking them up. The young rooks are growing and Fast!!!
Good things next yr.
And Ndog and whoever else wants to label me a ‘hater’ you should probably remember that I might have been the only Gator fan on these threads that was good with the JW draft choice. I have supported him fervently to everyone up here in Montana who just see him as a worthless POS.
I also am not advocating getting rid of him. I am merely pointing out how he has brought our Defense down with excessive T.O.s
December 27th, 2019 at 2:14 pm
Rodney even our wins don’t look pretty. It’s like …. are we really gonna win this game.
December 27th, 2019 at 2:17 pm
House flipping 101 is always buy the worst house in the neighborhood because that’s how you make the most profit. Duh. Forget all the pro/con arguments which are endless. WHO ELSE IS OUT THERE?!? Crazy jacka$$ Colin Kapernick? Anyone think Jameis wouldn’t be snapped up immediately? Then you’re stupid and none of your arguments make sense. And BTW… where would that leave us? Please tell all of us who our starting QB is going to be in 2020. Then tell the Glazers and the marketing department. Go ahead, we’re listening.
December 27th, 2019 at 2:19 pm
“Alaskan Abdominal Snowman Says:
December 27th, 2019 at 2:09 pm
JimmyJack you’re right and Jameis knows it. He even said I can’t do that. I CANT DO THAT.
Who knows if he ever really figures out the interceptions. I say he’s always gonna average like 14-16 Ints and this year is an outlier. I can live with that.”
Yeah, I think Winston will drop back down to his norm, which is around 16 INTs. As stated before, Palmer had averaged around the same INT rate as Winston before his first year in BA’s offense, then it spiked, and went back down to near normal. That’s what I expect out of Winston.
Winston is also playing a deep ball offense, and the offensive scheme does matter. He has over 1000+ more intended yard airs than then NFL’s 2nd leading passer, Dak. People that don’t think that matters literally don’t know what they’re talking about. Winston isn’t just throwing deeper than anyone else, he’s throwing it WAY deeper than anyone else – and way deeper than he even did under Dirk, which was also a deep ball offense. Teams are just sitting back playing the pass since they know the Bucs can’t run and they know they can get pressure with 4 rushers (Bucs give up the 2nd most sacks in the NFL).
So anywho, next year, with a better defense for 16 games – and hopefully a better RB situation, as well as an improved Winston – this will be a very dangerous team.
December 27th, 2019 at 2:21 pm
Alaskan…….I really don’t give a crap about the average TBH. Where’s he at now? Just under 2 INTS per game?
Heck Winston go ahead……..average exactly 2 picks every game. No more no less. I’m betting we can win some games if he does that & has a good defense to back him up.
Unfortunately context gets in the way.
Whose to say he doesn’t throw the 14 INTS next year like you said? And what of he does that and then melts down and throws 3 in a wild card game? What then? Heartbreak that’s what.
But Rod Munch was fair saying that these games right now are meaningless. Winston never really has played in a truely meaningful game except maybe Dallas 2016…..But until we get into a real meaningful game we have little to go on to try and guess how Winston would perform…….I think one thing is certain……If Winston got into a playoff game no matter how he played would suprized no one…..mwheter it was glelite or awful.
December 27th, 2019 at 2:23 pm
SB Says:
December 27th, 2019 at 2:06 pm
NDog there are 9 ints and 3 fumbles in those few games you mention. Lol
12 freaking T.Os!!!!!!!!
Plus most of those games we still had VH3 on the field instead of letting our rookies get more reps. If you can’t see the logic of how turnovers hurt Defensive stats then I can’t help you
So let’s do some simple math here shall we?
Giants game 1 INT
NO 0 TOs
Rams 1 INT
Cardinals 1 INT
Seahawks 1 fumble lost
That totals 4 which is not the same as 12 but considering you like making crap up ok sure bud. In those games with minimal TOs, as proven above despite your fuzzy math, the defense allowed 163 points averaging 32.6 a game and I even took Jameis’s pick 6 vs the Rams out of those numbers. So yeah I think the defense might have been the issue, but let’s cut them some slack they were learning a new defense unlike the offense right JimmyJack?
December 27th, 2019 at 2:24 pm
been seeing the idea floated around that if the Raiders are unhappy with Carr and the Bucs unhappy with Winston, they should work out something…
just maybe both will turn out like Tannehill… at least hopefully Carr will… JW has been uncoachable since high school but he would be Chuckys problem..
Raiders likely would not want JW.. the only team out of the 32 that would start JW other than bucs, Redskins… Once i thought maybe Chargers but they aren’t thrilled because of Rivers recent turnovers…
December 27th, 2019 at 2:24 pm
“Adrnagy Says:
December 27th, 2019 at 2:14 pm
Rodney even our wins don’t look pretty. It’s like …. are we really gonna win this game.”
Bucs have beat the same number of winning teams as the Cowboys who are still alive. Anywho the Falcons are 5-2 over the last 7, and the Bucs are 4-2 over their last 6. So for a meaningless game, it features two teams who have played well lately.
I don’t know if the Bucs win or not – but I do know Winston has historically played extremely well vs the Falcons.
Winston has 2300 yards, 23 TDs vs 7 INTs vs the Falcons in 8 games. Prorate that out for a year and you have 4600 yards, 46 TDs and 14 INTs.
Yet Winston is just 4-4 versus the Falcons in that time.
But no, that’s no the defense since as we all know, this has been the best defense in the NFL since 2015, it’s only Winston that has held them back.
December 27th, 2019 at 2:25 pm
Demon……my sentiments exactly. Was very sad to see Winston finally start to get some real support in this town and then basically just flush it down the toilet. I just sighed out loud just typing about it.
December 27th, 2019 at 2:26 pm
Sorry 2 vs the Cardinals so 5 total TOs in those games.
December 27th, 2019 at 2:26 pm
@Tampa Town. IMO there is no way that we can get rid of JW next yr partly because of the lack of viable replacements as you pointed out but also because of the small sample size in BA’s scheme. I don’t think one yr is fair to judge what is possible. I know all of the naysayers will say that a leopard can’t change his spots and that is true. In 5 years we know what we have and will always have. That said however I think the entire Team with another year in BA’s and TB’s scheme that it will translate to less turnovers.
December 27th, 2019 at 2:28 pm
Yea winston is the issue, he’s cost just as many games as the defense. Last year we blamed the defense and the locker’S. The defensive surge has just as much to do with the winning as winston. Cant blame defense for london, new orleans and Houston. He best the teams he should beat. Where are the signature wins against playoff bound teams?
Resign him sure but 30+ he’s not that good and this season could be completely contributed to the coaching staff “fixing him” didnt realize a quarterback who needing fixing should get 30+ a year…
December 27th, 2019 at 2:29 pm
Weirdest QB of all time at this point IMO.
He’s like Jay Cutler if Cutler’s good games were on steriods and without the bratty face and instead the squinty one.
December 27th, 2019 at 2:31 pm
Pewter power you literally talked out both sides of your mouth with your very first sentence.
How can Winston be THE problem when you just said the defense cost us just AS MANY games.
As for the salary, it’s just the going rate in the NFL man. Whether he deserves it or not is up to the guy writing the checks.
December 27th, 2019 at 2:32 pm
Giants 1 int
New Orleans 4 ints 1 fumble lost
Arizona 2 ints i fumble lost
Seattle 0 int
Rams 2 ints.
My bad on the extra fumble I didn’t see that it was recovered.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WinsJa00.htm
As much as you like to Cherry pick Ndog
December 27th, 2019 at 2:33 pm
“Tye Says:
December 27th, 2019 at 2:24 pm
been seeing the idea floated around that if the Raiders are unhappy with Carr and the Bucs unhappy with Winston, they should work out something…”
Did you watch Carr, at the end of the game like 3 weeks ago, on 4th and goal – game is out of reach already, and Car, to end the game, just throws the ball out of bounds.
Only other QB I’ve seen do that, throw the ball away on the last play was Mike Glennon. He was so worried about getting yelled at by Schiano for turnovers that rather than try to make a play, he just threw the ball away.
Again, on 4th down, to end the game.
Would Winston ever do that? Ever?
Of course not. And that’s literally why the anti-Winston crowd hates him so much. They want a boring QB who is so scared of turnovers that he’ll literally throw the ball away to end the game rather than risk a TO on the stat sheet.
December 27th, 2019 at 2:33 pm
Giants 1 int
New Orleans 4 ints 1 fumble lost
Arizona 2 ints i fumble lost
Seattle 0 int
Rams 2 ints.
My bad on the extra fumble I didn’t see that it was recovered.
I put the link in a comment that is awaiting you know what.
I notice you like to Cherry pick alot Ndog
December 27th, 2019 at 2:33 pm
I will say Winston has a habit of playing some of his worst games on the big stage which is more concerning to me than anything.
December 27th, 2019 at 2:35 pm
My bad only one in the Rams game so only Ten total TOs. Not bad at all for JW in 5 games.
December 27th, 2019 at 2:37 pm
So the Defense will get better. They have to be good enough to bail Jameis out on the multiple turnovers and short field situations they are put into constantly. Then if we make the playoffs we have to wonder which Jameis will show up. Good vs Bad. One game. Big pressure. Jameis would fold as usual.
December 27th, 2019 at 2:39 pm
SB, you should be carefull because NDOG is close to blame the holly spirit for one of the pics against the Rams…….He can go that far…….trust me
December 27th, 2019 at 2:39 pm
Pretty sad to think about how excited we were two weeks ago on a 4 game win streak. Then I looked at our record and realized that Indy and the Rams are the only teams we beat that currently have a winning record
December 27th, 2019 at 2:39 pm
Arians doesn’t believe in the running game what you see is what you get. It’s a shame it would take some pressure off Winston. He just going to keep throwing,throwing and throwing. That’s probably one of the reasons he’s only won one playoff game.
December 27th, 2019 at 2:41 pm
Thanks ZZ. Ndog is alright. He is just so clouded by his mancrush that he can’t see the forest for the trees. As I said I am not for switching QBs. I think he needs one more year. That said, however, I will not blindly defend him anymore.
December 27th, 2019 at 2:41 pm
Stop with the arguing everyone and see the big picture like jameis did, jameis knew those rookies needed the reps so he let the d get on the field more often so they could get it going going into next year. Jamies is a step ahead
December 27th, 2019 at 2:43 pm
Winston has had only 1 good year in the past 7, that redshirt freshman year at FSU, which is an aberration because every single year after he has been a turn over machine. Let him walk what could happen? The bucs go 5-11 or perhaps they go to the playoffs with a qb who throws for 3800 yds 23 tds & 6 ints.
December 27th, 2019 at 2:43 pm
While y’all set around and argue whose yo blame Im dropping the ultimate Trump card!!!!! I’m blaming both the defense and the Winston………And hell no I’m not sharing any of that blame with the running game. The lack of running game is a direct reflection of the last coaching staff and their inability to develope any OL(not one G not one C not one T not even a depth player) and their inability to develope a RB.
I’m not blaming one thing like yall. I’ll blame all of it cause that’s how team sports works.
And if y’all wanna know why Winston’s name gets brought up so much and why it looks like he gets singled out it’s cause it’s the nature of the QB position……unlike all the other things I blamed……….with the QB there is only one name. He is just one guy, chosen to lead the team. Unlike defense unlike running game and unlike developement there is only one person to talk about if your problem is QB.
Wanna know why the BUCS are fighting for 8-8……..All of it!!!
December 27th, 2019 at 2:44 pm
OK with signing Winston if the Bucs coaching staff wants him back.
30 million a year just seems absurd. 25 million a year is high for my taste as well:
Would rather sign:
Barrett 16 million
JPP 13 million
Suh 8-9 million
Patrick Peterson 6-7 million (if Arizona releases him and his 13 million contract with only $600,000 of dead cap).
Nassib 4-5 million
Cut Brate and his 6 million cap hit with no dead money.
Use that money to get possibly two free agent running backs (maybe Jordan Howard and Lamar Miller). Getting rid of Dare for sure.
Bring back Watford, Wells on OL for 1 million a piece.
Bring back Minter for 1 million.
Make decision on Justin Evans availability and know for sure he can play or move on. Get a 3rd safety in draft if he is not available (after all it is a passing league).
Draft Right tackle – Jedrick Willis 1st round.
BPA in all other rounds.
15 to 22 million for a QB would be my preference because I think there are free agents/ trades that we could get in that range that would be good in this Bucs offense.
Jameis agent already knows what his market is? All he needs is one team to feel he is worth 30 million a year. It does not mean that team is right. It does not mean if the Buc’s let him walk that they were wrong to let him walk.
December 27th, 2019 at 2:47 pm
“Pewter power Says:
December 27th, 2019 at 2:28 pm
Yea winston is the issue, he’s cost just as many games as the defense. Last year we blamed the defense and the locker’S. The defensive surge has just as much to do with the winning as winston. Cant blame defense for london, new orleans and Houston. ”
Actually I don’t disagree with this – Winston has cost us as many game as the defense. Additionally the special teams stole a win that was on Winston and the refs stole a win that was on the defense. Reverse those two and the team is 9-6.
If anyone here wouldn’t be happy with being 9-6 right now, then you just don’t get it.
Also what is this idea that the defense played well enough to beat the Saints?
In game 1 vs the Saints the defense gave up over 300 yards and 4 TDs to Teddy Bridgewater – by FAR his best game of the year, in addition to 100 yards rushing for the team. Winston had no turnovers in that game… so how exactly did Winston cost the team the game?
If you’re talking about game 2 then that makes even less sense. The Saints were up 20-0 in the 2nd quarter. So how exactly did the defense play well enough to win that?
Said it above, but the Saints are just a better team, period. The defense absolutely did not play well enough to win – and it’s fair to say the same about the offense.
December 27th, 2019 at 2:47 pm
SB we played the Saints twice I was clearly referring to the first game. My goodness talking to you is like taking to a 3rd grader.
December 27th, 2019 at 2:48 pm
Dudes interceptions have gone up every year but don’t worry year 6 will be when he turns it around. Houston shows us that jay-miss is crap when he come up against a competent defense.
December 27th, 2019 at 2:49 pm
“Allbuccedup Says:
December 27th, 2019 at 2:39 pm
Arians doesn’t believe in the running game what you see is what you get.”
*see Johnson, David. Arizona.
December 27th, 2019 at 2:50 pm
“Ljsolutions Says:
December 27th, 2019 at 2:48 pm
Dudes interceptions have gone up every year”
Literally fake news.
December 27th, 2019 at 2:50 pm
just Like that?
December 27th, 2019 at 2:52 pm
JimmyJack,,, yep. I hear ya man. — I remember talking out loud to my TV that day.. like “C’monnnn Jameis. Not now. Not today. DAMMMMMMIT.”
December 27th, 2019 at 2:53 pm
Franchise Jameis. Sign/draft another QB. Prove it or lose it.
December 27th, 2019 at 2:54 pm
This will be the same situation as Donavon Smith was last year.
Everybody said he was trash, bit there wasn’t anyone better.
They gave him a big contract and he you could definitely see the difference when he wasn’t on the field.
Played his best ball this year IMO.
Jameis might play better too when the money is a done deal.
Plus year 2 in this system.
He might have lost 3 games but he also won 4 or 5.
He will get $30 million so let’s just move on to shoring up the O Line as a number 1 priority please.
December 27th, 2019 at 2:55 pm
Ndog Says:
December 27th, 2019 at 2:47 pm
SB we played the Saints twice I was clearly referring to the first game. My goodness talking to you is like taking to a 3rd grader.
LOL Ndog……Like I said you CLEARLY just want to Cherry Pick. So convenient of you to pick out one of the ONLY T.O. Free days against the same team that he threw FOUR against in the same year. And how in the F was it Clear???? It was only clear to you because you were Cherry picking as usual. And if you are going to attempt to insult my intelligence then don’t respond to my posts anymore and I will do the same.
December 27th, 2019 at 2:56 pm
Honestly though……..I keep putting this out there and hear nothing but does anybody actually agree with me that Winston has improved this year?
The fumbles are gone. They don’t happen anymore.
The deep ball has improved. Has had a few bad days but still improved.
Then the big one…….decision making……I think it’s better. Much less forcing balls into blanket or tried coverage and throwing passes away when needed……,……..The INTs are higher but most seem like bad throws and poor reads to me. Much more correctable then making dumb decisions………….even the stupid jump pass he did the other day……wasn’t a bad decision to a open receiver just very horrible execution.
December 27th, 2019 at 2:56 pm
You got me munch. The one year he was gone for 4 games after groping the Uber driver his interceptions where down. I stand corrected.
December 27th, 2019 at 3:03 pm
I agree JimmyJack that he has improved in some areas. I have actually seen him throw away the ball as well more than before. He Really needs to stop staring down WR’s though. My 12 yr old that plays JR High football knows where he is throwing by the end of his dropbacks most of the time and calls it out before the ball is thrown
December 27th, 2019 at 3:03 pm
“Ndog Says:
December 27th, 2019 at 2:47 pm
SB we played the Saints twice I was clearly referring to the first game. My goodness talking to you is like taking to a 3rd grader.”
Also the 2nd game versus the Saints, the Saints are up 20-0 in the 2nd quarter.
Lets go through the TOs, shall we…
INT 1 – This is the stupid play where OJ puts the ball behind his back and the defense takes it away. How exactly was that play on Winston? OJ had the ball, put it behind his back, and kept juggling it. This was 100% on OJ.
2nd INT – This was at halftime when he threw it deep and low to Godwin who batted it straight in the air as he dove to the catch the ball. The half was over on the play. In any case that play was 100% on Godwin for knocking the ball straight in the air – the pass was not put in a place where there was any danger of a turnover.
3rd INT – 4th quarter, 5:19 left and down by 2 scores, on 4th and 10 when Winston is forcing the ball. So again, down by 2 scores, with 5 mins to go, it’s 4th down and Winston is trying to make a play. The Winston haters would rather he throws it out of bounds so they can close by a closer score I guess.
4th INT – 4th quarter, 2:50 left, down by 3 scores. Again, down by 3 scores, only 2:50 left, trying to make a play. Once again the Winston haters would rather he just take a sack and not try to make a play. Again, down by 3 scores, the game is over, and they’re worried about the TO column – no the playmaking column.
This is where looking at box scores means nothing. 3 of the INTs were meaningless, and the only one that did matter, the OJ one, was 100% on OJ.
December 27th, 2019 at 3:04 pm
SB – See above, the breakdown of the Saints game, and let me know how it’s not you that is cherry picking numbers…
December 27th, 2019 at 3:05 pm
JimmyJack, YES you are 100% correct. He has definitely improved. Less fumbles, much better long ball, throwing the ball away, end of half drives for TD’s, overall red zone proficiency, 3rd down passing. He has done it in MANY different facets…. except for the picks right now.
THAT is why I believe he needs to be back here.
December 27th, 2019 at 3:07 pm
Rod I’ve made the mistake again and got sucked into the negative/clueless vortex again. Let’s just move along as there is nothing to see here, they will never agree so who cares really.
December 27th, 2019 at 3:08 pm
“Ljsolutions Says:
December 27th, 2019 at 2:56 pm
You got me munch. The one year he was gone for 4 games after groping the Uber driver his interceptions where down. I stand corrected.”
Here’s the numbers in order…
15, 18, 11, 14…
Yeah, that’s going up every year… except of course year 3 being less than year 2 and year 1, and year 4 being less than year 1 and year 2… But other than that…
Anywho, you’re a great example of the Winston haters – literally nothing to your comment, 100% fake news, based on your feelings, no stats or accurate information.
December 27th, 2019 at 3:10 pm
Rodney Munch Says:
December 27th, 2019 at 3:04 pm
SB – See above, the breakdown of the Saints game, and let me know how it’s not you that is cherry picking numbers…
Rod my point to Ndog is that he was Cherry picking ‘games’ He only wants to focus on games where JW has minimal TOs He refuses to address the high TO games unless the blame is on everyone else.
Also that OJ howard INT was on JW for Horrible ball placement. He threw a 5 yard pass behind OJ.
Also EVERY TO is costly. You act as if I am a JW Hater when I have Clearly stated I am not and want him back next yr. If you can square your mouth right to say that there is nothing wrong with leading the league in INTs on a losing team is ok then you are not the astute football fan I have always thought you were.
December 27th, 2019 at 3:11 pm
Got to remember Wiley and DJax are buddies. Wiley will always be colored in his stance on Winston.
December 27th, 2019 at 3:13 pm
Geno nice post but Im not digging your salary numbers for a QB. 15M-22M seems like a wierd range.
22M is pretty much what it costs for a low end starter……Like a Flacco type. Any lower then that and your pretty much paying somebody that couldn’t find d a starting job and is maybe trying to compete with a rookie or something. That’s like Mike Glennon territory. Battling Trubisky.
Think you gotta look at the options. P.Rivers, Eli, Tannehill, or Joe’s favorite Dalton might be guys we could look at.. Guessing they will cost closer to 25M. 15M sound more like a WR contract to me.
December 27th, 2019 at 3:17 pm
SB – Here’s a write-up from USA Today (who I guess are Winston worshippers)…
“The much-maligned Buccaneers quarterback who entered today’s game against the New Orleans Saints having thrown 14 interceptions on the year collected his 15th in the first quarter, through no fault of his own, however. Take a look at this insane play, where Winston hits tight end O.J. Howard who fumbles the ball on his body only to have it intercepted by New Orleans.”
If you watch that play, and somehow blame Winston – then you’re truly a lost cause.
December 27th, 2019 at 3:17 pm
let him walk
December 27th, 2019 at 3:17 pm
I don’t want to jump in on another’s argument but the pass to OJ was spot on, It honestly was out in front so that OJ could’ve caught in stride. Go back and watch the film. OJ mishandles it pulling it in. We have PLENTY of throws to crush Winston on, but that pass was perfect.
December 27th, 2019 at 3:18 pm
I live in a town of less than 1000 full time residents. Many hardcore Football fans but mostly GB, Denver, and Seattle fans. I can tell you as I have told Joe that most of America has Very Little respect for JW if Any! Joe calls him America’s QB when 80% of America despises him and would leave their fanbase if said team were to trade for him. He is basically a laughing stock around the country. I have defended him for Five years!
You guys trying to make me out a hater really isn’t cool. I am a realist. Definitely not THE realist!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! though. 🙂
December 27th, 2019 at 3:21 pm
If you watch that play, and somehow blame Winston – then you’re truly a lost cause.
I have every game on DVR Rod so I will go rewatch it tonight. If I am wrong I will admit it. I am however tired of you guys coming at me as if I’m a hater. I have respect for most people here so I am going to go ice fishing now so as to retain my e-relationship with you guys. Peace out and GO BUCS!!!!
December 27th, 2019 at 3:22 pm
Rodney Munch — I think you are making the anti Winston folks argument without realizing you are doing it. The overall team around Winston isn’t great We need OL, RB and the defense overall is weak. Winston on a rookie cheap contract was unable to perform well enough to get us into playoffs with this team so why would we double down and pay him a cap breaking 30 million a year? We will need those resources to solidify other areas of the team. Winston has already proved he cannot win with this team on a rookie deal and now you want to pay him more which in theory would mean less resources spent on other areas…
I think we likely will franchise him to see if he can turn this thing around but if I was the GM I would not commit to one of these mega 100 million dollar deals until he proves that he can be an X factor. If he is a QB that needs scheme and all sorts of help he isn’t worth it to me.
December 27th, 2019 at 3:22 pm
Yeah, I’d say Jameis is low rent. Every year so far he has depressed me a little more. You start to think that all of the time he spent in the film room wasn’t just to sleep, and then he totally forgets all of the things he is supposed to know.
Things like not holding on to the ball, not staring down a receiver, where an accurate throw should be places, and so on.
Get to the end of the season and see that he is directly responsible for half of the teams’ losses. You look around and see that there are ten to fifteen thousand fewer fans in the stands and realize he is due to move on. Maybe he will be better somewhere else. He can’t like playing here, he consistently has a better record in away game, versus home games.
December 27th, 2019 at 3:24 pm
SB – Also, no, not every turnover is costly. That’s ridiculous. How does throwing a ball away or taking a sack on 4th and 10, down by 2 scores, with 5 mins left, help you? You’re saying you’d rather he NOT try to make a play, and just throw the ball away, rather than try to win the game.
What do you think the outcome is there? They’re at the Bucs 33 yard line, you give the ball back, the defense hasn’t stopped the Saints all day, they’re just going to run the clock out and at worst they’re already in FG range – and you say just lay down and die… In that case why not just punt the ball away if all you care about is losing by a closer score?
I care about winning – and at least making an attempt to win. On 4th down, down by 2 scores, 5 mins left, still at the Bucs 33, why do I want him throwing the ball away or taking a sack just to avoid a “costly” turnover? That’s just nonsense. You want your QB there to try to make a play – not worry about the stat column.
December 27th, 2019 at 3:26 pm
Sorry SB, but that ball literally hit OJ in his hands while he was in stride. He was the one that rolled it around to his backside.
I know there are a LOT of interceptions to remember, lol. But I think you were a little off on that one.
December 27th, 2019 at 3:29 pm
“SB Says:
December 27th, 2019 at 3:18 pm
I live in a town of less than 1000 full time residents. Many hardcore Football fans but mostly GB, Denver, and Seattle fans. I can tell you as I have told Joe that most of America has Very Little respect for JW if Any!”
Oh no… they have little respect… oh no… anything but that…
Anywho I know a bunch of yankee trash as well – and they also have very little respect for that all-time great 2002 Bucs defense and just think the Bucs got lucky and played a bad offense in the SB that year.
Caring what other people think is what you do when you’re like 12 years old. But hell, even then I would wear my bright orange jacket to school every Monday, win or lose, and that was with Vinny at QB.
Also what did all your yankee trash buds think about the Bucs a few years ago with Mike Glennon as the QB?
The answer is nothing, because no one anywhere thought about the Bucs at all.
December 27th, 2019 at 3:31 pm
SB/ndog:
I agree not blindly defending Jameis, he’s just better than anything else out there. We really don’t have any other choice but to give him another chance. I would like to see us draft and develop another QB not in the first round. We have to have a viable backup. I wish RG4 could play against the Falcons, but with 8-8 and 5,000 yards passing on the line, it won’t happen. They gotta sell tickets next year and the marketing department needs something to work with. If you don’t get that, you just don’t get it.
December 27th, 2019 at 3:32 pm
Oh cool so I’m not crazy Winston does actually seem to be improving in certain areas. Though it was just me.
This is where I think learning a new offense is a very big deal. There is a good chance we could see Jameis grow off of this season………Think it’s really hard for fans to see this simply because his first four years have been littered with turnovers. Fans see more turnovers and can only throw their hands up in the air………..Realistically its probably niave to think a QB can’t make a serious jump forward in his 2nd year running a system………….Of course all that just sounds like a excuse to a naysayers. Let’s just hope the FO knows the best decision and makes it.
December 27th, 2019 at 3:34 pm
Cmon Jameis supporters…. even WE have to laugh at the fact that there are ALOT of frikking interceptions to have to remember the exact details of.
Sometimes we ALL just need to laugh. We fight and battle in here because we are passionate about our BUCS. But at the end of the day, we do all wear the same colors.
December 27th, 2019 at 3:35 pm
doolnutts – Actually the Bucs have been playing better as a team lately, thus going 4-2. The defense was horrid earlier in the year, but they’ve improved. Gay missed his only money kick of the year, but otherwise has been good. The coaching has been great.
My argument is exactly the opposite of what you’re saying. The team is an entertaining high scoring team with an improving defense who no one will want to play next year. Just get a running game to help the offense a bit, and have an average defense for 16 games, and the team is in great shape.
However, with that said, I’m not against franchising Winston if they can figure out something with Shaq. However, out of Winston and Shaq, I think the chance of busting on a player is dramatically higher with Shaq – which is why Winston will most likely get sort of a high paid bridge deal while Shaq gets franchised. I think. Winston will probably get a big money deal, but guaranteed is all that matters, and that will probably be like 2 yrs/$60m or so, maybe 3yrs/$75m (guaranteed, will be more with base, up around $35m for year 3). Afterall, if Winston does get that deal, and is a bust next season, Arians leaves and the team is blown up and we start another rebuild, so it won’t matter what the QB salary is.
December 27th, 2019 at 3:36 pm
Before I go fishing I watched the OJ Howard INT. I was remembering Completely wrong. That was a good pass. My bad I stand corrected. Now I am going to go out and get some Rainbows.
December 27th, 2019 at 3:39 pm
Enjoy your fishing SB, get some Rainbows, and GO BUCS.
100% with ya, JimmyJack. VERY well said.
December 27th, 2019 at 3:40 pm
So SB is in the same boat as me. Likes xxWinston and supports him but when he is critical he gets attacked by the nugglers.
It’s really a sad state of affairs that reasonable fans are attacked by the extremists.
Can’t speak for SB but I have been attacked by both the haters and the nugglers. I have been called both as well……..As with most things in life the truth usually lies in the middle. Shameful those who stay in the middle have to get beaten from both ends.
December 27th, 2019 at 3:41 pm
Rodney munch why is he not doing it here? He says running backs are overrated.
December 27th, 2019 at 3:42 pm
Also what did all your yankee trash buds think about the Bucs a few years ago with Mike Glennon as the QB?
Really Rod? Name calling people you don’t even know because they don’t like your mancrush? Dude I thought Way more of you than that.
December 27th, 2019 at 3:44 pm
No doubt, JimmyJack. It’s pretty silly that the war sometimes sounds like that which you would expect between Cowboys & Eagles fans.
We are ALL BUCS fans. We all wear the same colors.
We ALL root with our heart & souls on Sunday.
We have MUCH more in common than we don’t.
December 27th, 2019 at 3:53 pm
Winston will improve in his second year in the offense, the same way a 34-year old Carson Palmer threw 22 with BA in year 1 and cut that to 11.
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Link? Hope? Prayer? BS?
Winston and Palmer have nothing in common to make the leap that you are trying to do. Sad dude. Let go man…he sucks out loud.
December 27th, 2019 at 3:55 pm
SB:
Would you be willing to tell us where you live? I always think Buc fans who live out of state are super cool. It’s not easy to do either so much respect.
December 27th, 2019 at 3:55 pm
My bottom line is you sign Winston. You guarantee him 75M. You give him two years with Bruce and you give him his 30M. This is not a bad price for a young starting QB at all. Option years make the deal well worth it and give the FO plenty of contract restructuring abilities to make it a great deal for the Bucs(of course only if Winston performs) in the long run.
If this is the QB Bruce wants you ink it right now and let them proceed. If it’s not the QB Bruce wants then you better start Griffen on Sunday. If Bruce doesn’t know then he is not a whisperer.
Worst case scenario……..oh no we suck avain
December 27th, 2019 at 4:09 pm
Terrible analogy. The bottom line is thousands of yards don’t mean jack when you put them up in meaningless games or otherwise lose you team games because you are the NFL RECORD in INTERCEPTIONs. And the Glazers don’t want to hear anything about Favrr and Manning. They HAVE a SB ring and know it’s not a big talking turnover machine. The Glazers only need remember the last game, the small crowds, the embarrassing losses, and the fact it happens over and over with Winston…and the $15M price tag is realistic (with up to $10M in incentives if he takes the team to the playoffs and wins a home game). Don’t like it? NO OTHER team will pay more than that. So don’t take it…see ya!
December 27th, 2019 at 4:11 pm
Hopefully O.J. will turn into tony Gonzalez. Tony’s first two season sucked. Led nfl in drop passes.
December 27th, 2019 at 4:13 pm
#If Tampa Bay quarterback Jameis Winston had cut down his turnovers this season, the Buccaneers likely would be getting ready for the playoffs.
Winston has completed 367 of 602 passes for a league-leading 4,908 yards and a second-best 31 touchdowns, but his passer rating of 84.6 ranks 50th in the NFL. His 28 interceptions thrown are 10 more than anyone else in the league has thrown.
December 27th, 2019 at 4:14 pm
Jimmy Jack, I could see $75M for four years with $30M guaranteed (basically if he stinks next year cut ties).
Is that what you meant? I do like my $15M guaranteed for one year with the extra 10 if he goes to the playoffs.
December 27th, 2019 at 4:17 pm
Rod, why do you keep bringing up Mike Glennon? Are you ok in the head?
December 27th, 2019 at 4:18 pm
The Bucs could easily find a QB that does not turn the ball over like Winston. However, they would not find a QB that has his type of production. I have never seen a QB that can throw the worst pass possible one play, and then come back and complete 2 or 3 impossible passes in a row. He is who he is. Just gotta hope that he cuts downs on the turnovers, and maintains the production. Don’t have faith there is better replacement for him out there.
December 27th, 2019 at 4:28 pm
Munder says “doolnutts – Actually the Bucs have been playing better as a team lately, thus going 4-2. The defense was horrid earlier in the year, but they’ve improved. Gay missed his only money kick of the year, but otherwise has been good. The coaching has been great.”
Add one more sentence and you’re good: “But Winston has sucked at decision continuously, directly losing SF, CAR2, NO2, TEN, and HOU, and he tried like crazy to lose ARI and IND but the D refused to let him.”
A QB who took care of football could have won CAR2, NO2, TEN, and HOU. So Jameis sucks. Backup material. This Tampa fan base has been losing for so long their brain is fried.
December 27th, 2019 at 4:31 pm
Not to say INTs are overblown but a punt is technical a turnover as well. And how many points have we allowed after punts?
December 27th, 2019 at 4:34 pm
Here are the Winston jock straps biggest bogus lines, and not to mention any names (Muncher), but some guys use all of them.
I love to hear Winston is just like Favre and Manning. Then there is if they had a D or running game. Then there is oh, he is the best QB the Bucs have ever had (which is the same as saying you are the richest polish man in Germany in 1942). Then there is oh, you want Glennon or Gabbert. Like trade my crap for your crap. The only problem is, no one who thinks Winston has had it here has said they want Glennon or Gabbert. Yeah, some outliers blame the center, and some blame Fitz for playing well for a few game…got in Winston’s head. Then they blame the freaking wind as of late. Yeowsy.
I realize it’s a team sport. But Winston has brought his D back out onto the field what, an extra 30 times or so this year for no good reason? While they have had their issues, it does not good to suck and bring the most struggling D back out onto the field so many times, more than 100 times in the last five years.
December 27th, 2019 at 4:37 pm
FLOWERY BRANCH —
If Tampa Bay quarterback Jameis Winston had cut down his turnovers this season, the Buccaneers likely would be getting ready for the playoffs.
Winston has completed 367 of 602 passes for a league-leading 4,908 yards and a second-best 31 touchdowns, but his passer rating of 84.6 ranks 50th in the NFL. His 28 interceptions thrown are 10 more than anyone else in the league has thrown.
December 27th, 2019 at 4:37 pm
Brandon, LOL. So Jameis is punting the ball in reality. He is just punting it 40 yards in the other direction too often…sometimes even for an “end zone” recovery.
Actually, you are giving the ball back, but doing it on your terms.
December 27th, 2019 at 4:40 pm
I do have a conspiracy theory–it is Friday. Since no one could be that bad, is Winston getting paid to hand the ball back over to the other team? I mean, in the history of the NFL, only one other QB has been suspended for the kind of off field conduct Winston has been known for (like Rothlistberger)…and one other QB in NFL history has been suspended for fixing games. Plausible, but I doublt it. Then again, no one could possibly have that many INTs without something going on there. So maybe Winston creating the 30/30 Club this weekend has a deeper motive.
December 27th, 2019 at 4:41 pm
^^^^^but naw….he just makes bad decisions and can’t protect the rock.
December 27th, 2019 at 4:50 pm
I wish all the troglodytes would stop with the incessant blather of improved defense and running game. The Kansas City Chiefs have a below average defense and as bad a running game as the Bucs yet they are 11-4.
What’s the difference?
Their QB isn’t a turnover machine.
December 27th, 2019 at 4:57 pm
I love how you either gotta be a Winston homer or a Winston hater….. no in between. Say something bad about him and you get hammered by one side or say something good about him and get kicked for it. Is it hard to say Winston is worth 30 million when his 5 year worth of work doesn’t look good and the problems he had on day one he’s still doing the same thing. It’s just as hard to say let him walk when the D has been this bad for so long and he really has had a crappy D.
Looking back at Super Bowl winners a dominate D has always beat a great offense. So if we’re talking winning another I would go for a D, that when it matters, can shutdown an offense. How do you trust a guy that can have games where he throws 4-5 pics. I’m sure he’ll be back with a big deal and I’ll I can hope for is some really good defensive draft picks to build a great D because we won’t be buying one.
December 27th, 2019 at 5:02 pm
Simply put we have the absolute dumbest fan base on the planet if it is measured by the blog. Thank goodness it is not and the clueless are the vocal minority.
December 27th, 2019 at 5:06 pm
When a pass play is called, the QB calls the receiver routes and OLine protection.
It is the QB who makes the decision where to throw the ball.
So there are many factors that involve executing the play.
But the decision making continues to be an issue – not so much the 2nd half of this season, but dang, I don’t want to see stupid crap at beginning of next year again…
December 27th, 2019 at 5:10 pm
It seems the most NFL ready QB and 1st player selected overall in the 2015 draft is still not ready…
December 27th, 2019 at 5:11 pm
WINSTON IS THE HORSE:
Yeah, I’m gonna take my horse to the old town road
I’m gonna ride ’til I can’t no more
I’m gonna take my horse to the old town road
I’m gonna ride ’til I can’t no more (Kio, Kio)
I got the horses in the back
Horse tack is attached
Hat is matte black
Got the boots that’s black to match
Ridin’ on a horse, ha
You can whip your Porsche
I been in the valley
You ain’t been up off that porch, now
Can’t nobody tell me nothin’
You can’t tell me nothin’
Can’t nobody tell me nothin’
You can’t tell me nothin’
Ridin’ on a tractor
Lean all in my bladder
Cheated on my baby
You can go and ask her
My life is a movie
Bull ridin’ and boobies
Cowboy hat from Gucci
Wrangler on my booty
Can’t nobody tell me nothin’
You can’t tell me nothin’
Can’t nobody tell me nothin’
You can’t tell me nothin’
Yeah, I’m gonna take my horse to the old town road
I’m gonna ride ’til I can’t no more
I’m gonna take my horse to the old town road
I’m gonna ride ’til I can’t no more
December 27th, 2019 at 5:19 pm
TampaTown Says:
December 27th, 2019 at 3:55 pm
SB:
Would you be willing to tell us where you live? I always think Buc fans who live out of state are super cool. It’s not easy to do either so much respect.
I live in West Yellowstone Montana. We are the West entrance to Yellowstone National Park. However, I grew up in Carrolwood in Tampa. My dad bought season tickets in ’75 when I was 10 We were second row 35 yard line for 20 years until my dad sold the tickets in ;96 when we hired Dungy. I have never let him live it down when he complained about Blackout dates!!!! 🙂
It is tough living in a town where your team is a laughing stock but I Love it!
Also I caught my Rainbow limit of 5 in 25 minutes. It took me longer to ride the sled to the spot and back. Dinner is served tonight
December 27th, 2019 at 6:01 pm
SB, thanks for sharing that brother. Man i would love to see that part of the country. Hope you found a few rainbows. Safe to say there are probably not too many BUCS hats out there, lol. Thanks for carrying the flag.
December 27th, 2019 at 6:07 pm
Oh wow
Ndog Says:
December 27th, 2019 at 5:02 pm
Simply put we have the absolute dumbest fan base on the planet if it is measured by the blog. Thank goodness it is not and the clueless are the vocal minority.
December 27th, 2019 at 6:30 pm
Rod Munch should be inducted into the JBF poster Hall of Fame. I am serious about this Joe. Most posters just make up stats and post comments that support their biases. I honestly love it that Rod Munch is on these threads. I read a lot of stuff by the haters and assume it’s not accurate but don’t go to the effort of fact checking all of the nonsense.
Rod is like a super hero and lights them up every time they do. Trust me Joe, as an avid reader know that someone like Rod is out there shredding the idiot posters when they just make sh1t up.
Kudos Rod and please keep pointing out the morons each and every time.
December 27th, 2019 at 6:35 pm
Winston should be back only for a 1 year prove it deal but he needs to have significant competition like J. Hurt or mortgage the team for J. Burrow because I believe he’s going to be a once in a life time type of talent. The problem with Winston is that he’s too comfortable and knows none of the backups we have on our team threaten him in any way. I’m not a Winston hater per say but any QB who has had 5 years and has failed to perform at an nfl caliber level with the talent surrounding him does not deserve the amount of chances he has had. What do you think Patrick Mahomes could do with a m. Evans and a c. Godwin on his team? Or even Kirk cousins? Jameis should have been benched for him performance in a lot of the games this year but we don’t have anyone better on the roster which is a huge reason why we have sucked for so long.
December 27th, 2019 at 6:45 pm
Winston had a great 4-6 game stretch of really good games despite the interceptions. What did he really accomplish? Ensuring jason licht could not draft his replacement with the first pick in the draft. He’s more valuable to this team, no one else in the nfl would blink to bench him because they didnt draft him.
I think if he was doing what he was doing but his touchdown to interception ratio was lower and he only had like 18-20 ints vs 28 there would be no debate but cant lead the league in interceptions every year on a losing franchise and expect 30+ that’s just insane to me
December 27th, 2019 at 6:59 pm
After reading through these comments I just kept shaking my head. Pro-Winston. Con-Winston. Facts. Speculation. Made up stuff. Wow.
What I think I’m reading is a large group saying ‘Jameis is our QB; yes he’s thrown 28 INTs, but many weren’t his fault; and oh ya, he’ll improve next year in BA’s system for sure. Pay the man.’ Another large group seems to be saying ‘We’ve seen enough; hit the road Jack. We’ll find another QB’. But then there seems to be a 3rd group riding the fence that seems to be saying ‘Let’s hang on to him until he either improves or until we can find a replacement. Franchise him until we can figure it out.’
Reality is that the decision rests with the Glazers. No doubt they’ll take JL’s & BA’s recommendations into account, but it’ll end up being a business decision in the end. And from a business standpoint, my gut feel (and that’s all it is), is that the Bucs will end up slapping the non-exclusive franchise tag on Jameis sometime between Feb 25th and Mar 10th (franchise tag window).
Wouldn’t be at all surprised to see ‘something’ transpire regarding Jameis future with the Bucs after that. Could involve some other team making him an offer; could involve the Bucs working out a trade with another team; could involve Jameis staying with us for another year. I doubt we’ll know which until after the FA period & the 2020 draft are complete.
One thing’s for sure though. Like Rod said … “Exciting times are ahead.”
December 27th, 2019 at 7:00 pm
Welcome to Tampa Jordan Love!
December 27th, 2019 at 7:00 pm
like this is the only year he went Nuts with ints his 1st 4 years his totals were 2015/ 22TDs-15 ints
2016/ 28tds-18 ints
2017/ 19tds- 11 ints
2018/ 19tds- 14 ints
so if he had anyone of his INTs totals from previous years this year Bucs would be in the playoffs this ship will get Right dont worry GOBUCS
December 27th, 2019 at 7:25 pm
@Pewter Power … “cant lead the league in interceptions every year on a losing franchise and expect 30+ that’s just insane to me”.
To me too, mostly because investing that much of your salary Cap in a SINGLE PLAYER on a franchise still trying to build a winning TEAM isn’t healthy. It limits what else you can do to improve other areas that really need improving. And IF that 30+ mil player NEEDS a strong defense, a strong OLine, a strong running game and excellent receivers to win, guess what … ain’t gonna happen with him eating up so much of the salary Cap.
The salary Cap is the great equalizer in the NFL. A SINGLE PLAYER is ONLY worth 30+ mil IF he can elevate the play of many around him to achieve a winning record. Sorry, but that’s NOT Jameis. Keep him at the right price, but don’t overpay. His past performances to this point don’t warrant it.
And to the JBFer who commented that who else are we going to find who can throw the ball 45 times a game and get 5,000 yards, my answer is ‘I hope no one’. Throwing the ball 45 times a game may lead to a lot of passing yards, but it’s a prescription for losing in the end.
Jameis has averaged a tad over 40 passes per game this season, for an average of 327 YPG passing, yielding 31 TDs passing & 28 INTs. And oh ya, a 7-8 record.
Drew Brees & Teddy Bridgewater together have averaged 36 passes per game this season, for an average of 273 YPG passing, yielding 33 TDs passing & 6 TDs. And oh ya, a 12-3 record.
Lamar Jackson has averaged a tad under 27 passes per game this season, for an average of 208 YPG passing, yielding 36 TDs passing & 6 INTs. And oh ya, a 12-3 record.
More passes doesn’t equal winning. The goal should be a relatively BALANCED TEAM in terms of rushing & passing. Bucs aren’t even close to that, nor have we been for many years.
December 27th, 2019 at 7:35 pm
Rodney Munch is a typical Winston nut sucker!!
December 27th, 2019 at 7:36 pm
SB:
Sounds like you’re living the good life! And having a great and healthy dinner!
December 27th, 2019 at 8:31 pm
Tampa Town,
You mention wanting to see RG4 play. There’s no shortage of fans who want the same thing.
How about RG3? I’ve never seen his name mentioned , Mike Glennon, RG4, Andy Dalton all recieve quite a bit attention but none of those guys are anything more than a strawman. Great for the purpose of arguing a false equivalent but nothing more. RG3 would be inexpensive, and he’s got a lot more upside than say Teddy Bridgewater and more tread life than Dalton, eli, or Rivers.
Just throwing his name out there because no one else has.
December 27th, 2019 at 8:46 pm
D1:
I hear you. RG3 will be 30 in February and seems to have already had his chance same as all the others you mentioned. I think there’s just not that many good QB’s out there. Even if we had a high draft pick to use on a QB you’re still starting over (see: Winston, Jameis) so might as well keep what we have and see what he can do in year 2 of BA’s offense. I think we still need a better backup QB plan.
December 27th, 2019 at 8:55 pm
Blame Jameis…
December 27th, 2019 at 8:58 pm
Good point by whitlock
December 27th, 2019 at 9:36 pm
DR
You are a wise one and I hope you’re right about the no -exclusive tag.
December 27th, 2019 at 9:39 pm
BA knows darn well Ryan Fitzpatrick could be league MVP in his offense. Shame on him!
December 27th, 2019 at 10:03 pm
For those who claim he will be better next year lets look at the Cold, Hard Facts.
A-He has the best defense of all the seasons he has been here, especially the last 5-6 games.
B-His Interception Rate is at an all time high 4.7%
C-His Interception Total is also at an all time high and might hit 30
D-His TD% is neck & neck with last year so this is not an improvement
E-His QB Rating is on pace to tie his Rookie season of 84.2
F-Teams don’t go to the playoffs that throw 30 Picks no matter how good your defense is
G-The Film on JWinston is getting talked about by the DBs of the teams who are picking him off for TDs. Just read up on what the Texan players said about the routes and his tendencies. Doesn’t matter if our Stud WRs are in there or not. When we play good teams or better than average teams the Picks go up because they study film better and have better players and this is when he gets exposed. You can get away with many things in College that you cannot in the Pros.
H-For pointing all these Facts out does not make any of us a Hater. We just want a winning playoff team that has a shot at the Super Bowl. We will not ever get there with a formula of a QB who throws as many Picks as TDs in the Pass-Happy NFL era. Look at the Playoff teams last year and this year. The TD/Int ratio is not anywhere close to even with all the Playoff teams. The worst of them is Josh Allen 20 TDs 9 Picks. Fitzmagic is on a Horrible Dolphins team and he is at 19 TDs with only 13 Picks.
Sighhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!
December 27th, 2019 at 10:21 pm
If the guys who only look at the bad Jameis took a breath for a sec do you realize how he threw for over 300 yards without his bonifide pro receivers in Evans and Godwin? He had receivers he never worked with before and still put up those numbers. Yeah we know we know the interceptions and those are definitely a problem but the way the defense was playing two catches not made by one usually reliable and one not as much were just as much the difference in the loss. Of course the pick6 was the biggest factor but even with his mistakes he never stopped trying. One of his biggest problems is the very coach who was brought in to fix him, Arians outright refusal to fix the running game by using rb committee causes him to throw as much as he does. Plus if you look at the fact that Arians makes no use of the tightends even though in 2017 ,74 rec ,1023 yards and 12 tds and in 2018, 64 rec 854 yds 11tds went to Brate and OJ. People called Lovie Smith Coach My Scheme but Arians refusal to mold his scheme around the best talent on the team has also led to some of the losses this team has made. You people always try to put the losses all on Winston but you all are just as near sighted as those who blindly support him. The bottom line is there’s a chance he’ll be here next year and he is what he is, a qb who needs a good running game and defense. In 5 years he’s broken basically every passing record on this team plus he is the major reason why we’re scoring 29 points per game. Not a nostalgic kinda guy but put him on that 1999 -2002 team with that defense and 3 Super Bowls would have been won even with his turn overs. I’m like this if he stays whatever and if he goes whatever but can’t help to look at how good this offense has been with him.
December 27th, 2019 at 10:22 pm
Jameis is about to have 5000 yards. Nuff said
December 27th, 2019 at 11:10 pm
Don’t let the Gators boosters make decisions for the Bucs. No rub on Griffin but he’s orders of magnitude less NFL ready than Winston. He looked like a lost lamb when he came in for WInston.
Remember Glennon, Fitz and the others.
You haters are either:
1.) Gators
2.) owner shills trying to drive public sentiment on the issue
3.) or just not super smart
December 27th, 2019 at 11:13 pm
There are scats of good QBs out there who never turned a scheme their way. Jameis is the model of an NFL QB. Somehow he has fallen through the cracks in the sidewalk.
He has had numerous coaches try to make a system for him. He falls through the crackles of their theory too. Maybe his previous experiences here have torch his brain. Maybe he is burnt out here. Maybe he will continue to toss interceptions like beads at a Gasparella parade.
I don’t know, but he has caused 5-6 games to be lost every season here. That is not a franchise QB. Aaron Rogers had almost no receivers to start this year. He is 12-3. Lamar Jackson was told he would be a receiver in the NFL,
Crest QBs are not hard to find, several of them have sat on the sidelines because they were not first round draftees. There are a large amount of first round QBs who have totally failed. Jameis has done that here. Maybe somewhere else will be kinder to him. Josh Freeman tried that, it wasn’t pretty.
December 27th, 2019 at 11:55 pm
TampaTown,
My apologies for not being more specific. I was thinking RG3 as a back up instead of RG4 .
Let’s acknowledge that his knee injury is partially the reason for his failure to mature into the franchise guy. I say partially because situation with Redskins was also a big factor in his demise. But he’s a Heisman trophy winner, rookie of the year, rocket armed dual threat QB. And when it was reported that Arians was going to draft Deshaun Watson .I thought of the closest comparison that would be available.
He also has the ability to start and play at a higher level than the other names mentioned. This immediately satisfies the backup situation and brings in a potential bridge player if the negotiations with winston go an unfavorable direction.
Just putting it out there …
December 28th, 2019 at 12:18 am
D1:
Gotcha. I agree. Much better backup situation.
December 28th, 2019 at 1:27 am
Tag him. If he doesn’t like it, let him put his agent to work finding a trade partner willing to make it worth our while. If he’s willing to bet on this mysterious year 2 in BA system expectation of the JW fan club, let’s see what he can do and focus early picks on the OL. For now, he’s not a team leader or face of the franchise… he’s just an asset with potential, albeit not as much as we might have hoped given the number 1 pick, Glazer cash and 5 lost seasons invested thus far.
December 28th, 2019 at 3:09 am
SB- Hey, we all remember things wrong – no big deal if you’re willing to rematch something to find that out. For example in my mind, Derrick Brooks was robbed of an INT for a TD in the first 2002 playoff game against the 49ers. I said that forever. Then finally I went and watched the play – and it was Barber who caught the ball and returned it for a TD, it was him who was robbed stupid Rice, for no reason at all, smacking a 49ers o-lineman on the head after the play was like 30 yards down field.
Anywho I never mind arguing stats and figures, and corrections are generally a part of that from time to time. So long as they’re done in good faith it’s no big deal.
December 28th, 2019 at 3:11 am
“99.97.92.55.47.40.28.20.7 Says:
December 27th, 2019 at 9:39 pm
BA knows darn well Ryan Fitzpatrick could be league MVP in his offense. Shame on him!”
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If the season was 4 games long you’d be right.
December 28th, 2019 at 3:17 am
“Defense Rules Says:
December 27th, 2019 at 6:59 pm
After reading through these comments I just kept shaking my head. Pro-Winston. Con-Winston. Facts. Speculation. Made up stuff. Wow.
What I think I’m reading is a large group saying ‘Jameis is our QB; yes he’s thrown 28 INTs, but many weren’t his fault; and oh ya, he’ll improve next year in BA’s system for sure. Pay the man.’”
Actually I’m not saying pay the man – I’m saying because Shaq is on the team and needs a new deal, that Shaq is to me, the much riskier long-term investment. So Shaq gets the franchise tag. Winston meanwhile, in my mind, gets 2 or 2 1/2 years of guaranteed money in the $30m+ range. But as stated before, it really doesn’t matter if it’s 2 years of guaranteed money or 3, if Winston is a bust next year, the team gets blown up and we start yet another rebuild.
December 28th, 2019 at 3:31 am
Fun fact… Steve Young was 25 in his last season with the Bucs. That team had a horrific defense and no running game after Bo Jackson refused to report.
Young started 14 games for the Bucs and went 2-12. He only had 2282 yards passing, along with 8 TDs and 13 INTs.
The Bucs let the 25-year old walk because they were sick of losing and wanted to move on to someone else, Vinny Testaverde.
How did that work out?
December 28th, 2019 at 3:32 am
2282 yards and 8 TDs for a season… those are very Mike Glennon like numbers.
December 28th, 2019 at 5:04 am
Rod … Guess I don’t understand why you see Shaq as being riskier long-term than Jameis. Seems like Todd Bowles is quite enamored with what Shaq has done & sees the potential for him to do even better in the future. He’s producing in all aspects of his game. Bucs are starving for an improved pass rush & Shaq seems to provide a big part of that. Pay the man … would probably take in the neighborhood of $15-$16 mil per year on a 4-5 year contract is my guess. Money well spent IMO.
If Shaq wants more than that, I’d feel differently I admit. Dedicating too much of the salary Cap to one single player leads to weaknesses in other areas IMO, which in turn ultimately leads to losing. TEAM BUILDING is an art, and JL has shown me that he’s no artist.
The defense has improved massively during this season, and I for one credit that to Todd Bowles & his staff. He was hog-tied by having a bunch of rookies to forge into a winning Secondary, and he’s done a fantastic job of doing exactly that. Unlike many who seem to think that our defense is ‘fixed’, I don’t think it is … YET. Barrett, JPP, Suh, Nassib, Nunez-Roches, Allen, Minter, Adams & Ryan Smith are ALL UFAs for 2020. We’ve seen what all of them can do in TB’s hybrid defense. That defense operated on a meager $58-$59 mil this season and has really come together nicely. Why that amount? Because so many were on 1-year contracts. What do you think the odds are of finding comparable, preferably better, replacements for that same paltry $58-$59 mil?
I’m in favor of keeping the band together because we’re seeing improved PERFORMANCE right now. Top-10 PERFORMANCE IMO. To keep it intact will cost $85-$90 mil IMO in 2020, an increase of $25-$30 mil over 2019, at a time when they project the salary Cap to increase by about $10 mil. We’ve already seen that our offense cost very close to $100 mil this year, tops in the league. We KNOW that it’ll take much more than that for 2020 to keep THAT band together while fixing the OLine & RB position groups, paying Perriman & potentially paying Godwin. And oh ya, throw ‘paying Jameis’ in there. Very simply Rod, the numbers don’t even come close to working to ‘have it all’. I favor the DEFENSE FIRST approach, largely because without a strong defense the Bucs will continue to be a losing franchise.
December 28th, 2019 at 6:14 am
KC defense has played great lately is ranked 17 about where Winston supporters have ask the Bucs to get in order to be competitive. KC running game is what’s held them back this year losing 4 out of 6 games mid season was mainly teams keying on their passing game because they couldn’t rush the ball. KC this year and GB the last few years are great examples that all Qbs need a decent defense and some rushing production in order to be successful no matter how good their Qb.
December 28th, 2019 at 6:49 am
Regardless of the picks, Arians tells Jameis to keep throwing it. Has anyone wondered why? I think Arians understands that improvement requires experience. The limits placed on Jameis by previous coaching staff stunted his growth. I like Dirk Koetter a lot, but even I know he wasn’t developing Jameis correctly.
Since Arians took over:
• Jameis has been throwing it deep more often, and his deep passing accuracy has vastly improved.
• Jameis is passing more often overall, and he is connecting, which is why he has almost 5,000 yards this season (probably more if he plays the final game).
• Jameis has more touchdowns than he has ever had in his career.
• Jameis has more interceptions than he has ever had before…but he has been sacked more times than ever before too, nearly twice as many times as last year (probably more than twice as many if he plays Sunday). Funny how that works: twice as many picks…twice as many sacks.
• Offense is one of the best in the league.
December 28th, 2019 at 6:55 am
By the way…the Bucs will have the third most cap space going into the off season, around $89 million. That will go fast with all the re-signings needed, but it shows that Licht got us out have cap hell in just one year.
Our dead cap money? Just over $88k.
December 28th, 2019 at 7:03 am
Craig Says:
“I don’t know, but he has caused 5-6 games to be lost every season here.”
That is simply not true. In 2017, kicking cost us 2 games at the start of the season. That same year, Jameis led the team from behind to take the lead in the final minutes of game 4 times, only to have the defense completely blow those games. Reverse those instances (2+4=6) and we would have gone 11-5 instead of 5-11.
The very same thing happened the following year, except Jameis played fewer games.
When you make statements like that, you speak from a place of emotional frustration, and I get that. But it’s not factual.
December 28th, 2019 at 10:06 am
Hodad, Baker Mayfield is about it.
Have you seen Lamar Jackson in any? How about Deshaun Watson?
Julio Jones, Mike Evans, Khalil Mack, Sam Darnold, AJ Green, Michael Thomas, Carson Wentz, Kyler Murray, Derrick Henry, Jalen Ramsey, Derek Carr, DeAndre Hopkins, Keenan Allen, Jarvis Landry, Jadeveon Clowney, Derwin James, Jamal Adams……….. and on…….. and on…… and on…..
How about them?
Seen any of them?
They are all NFL stars.
Sorry, but your premise has little to nothing to do with anything.
NFL stars, by in large, do not get on national endorsements.
They wear helmets.
If you don’t like Jameis, that is fine. — But I think most reasonable people see him as a young man who made some mistakes in his early 20s (most of us have), and has cleaned up his act, and given more to his community than you and I and 100 of our closest friends will ever give.
Have a good day.
December 28th, 2019 at 10:33 am
If Jameis’s agents had the balls to ask for 30+ million and I’m Licht I would laugh in their faces and kick them out of my office. I think they have got to bring him back though on a cheap short term deal or franchise him in the extremely unlikely event he can pull his head out of his a$$. Close to 5,000 yards doesn’t happen by accident and there is precedent for amazingly inconsistent quarterbacks becoming consistently good. I’m more likely to find the lost city of El Dorado, but what the hell, it’s not my money wasted, just a year’s worth of watching the Bucs. It sucks, but ya never know…
December 28th, 2019 at 10:44 am
$30 million is going to be pretty much the going rate over the next year or two. It is definitely a reasonable request.
December 28th, 2019 at 12:14 pm
Let’s see what the resident Winston lovers are up to today. What lies are they spewing now? Oh more magic about how because Palmer in his 2nd reduced turnovers somehow Winston will as well…why? Magic? The Winston lovers are very mystical and employ voo-doo as well as throwing pennies into wishing wells.
They could sacrifice chickens and goats and Winston will still suck.
Can’t fix stupid.
December 28th, 2019 at 12:20 pm
T REX Says:
“Can’t fix stupid.”
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You would certainly know.
While you are at it, try learning how to write without run-on sentences.
Education is a great thing.
December 28th, 2019 at 12:33 pm
LOL. Didn’t take long for one of the resident nutjobs to take the bait. I caught one already. bucfire, how many pennies are you throwing today? Got a bra on your head too? LOL. Bunch of losers.
December 28th, 2019 at 12:43 pm
We wonder why, “with Brees they have an elite offense”? What does Brees do that Winston does not do to have an elite offense? Is it Brees Yards totals? TD totals? Completion percentage? What is it that Brees does that makes his Offense Elite? What can we see that Winston is not doing that Brees does? Anyone know?
December 28th, 2019 at 12:44 pm
Moderation again!!!???
December 28th, 2019 at 12:53 pm
LOL, I didn’t say anything about Jameis or anyone else.
I just get tired of uneducated commenters ripping other people. At least learn how to write first. It is so much better for the reader. LOL.
December 28th, 2019 at 12:59 pm
Rodney Munch, We haven’t seen Winston do the throwing it out of bounds on the last play, but we have seen him throw INT several times. Either way chalk up another L. And all the stat crap does not mean anything. The ONLY stat that counts is Wins And Losses in your Division first, then in your Conference then any other team you play in a season. Not yards, TD’s INT’s, fumbles, only Wins and Losses. Because that stat count is what gets coaches fired. Players cut, schemes changed.