Antwaan Randle El Talks Jameis Getting “Thrown Under The Bus” & More
December 5th, 2019
Quarterback, receiver, returner, Bucs offensive assistant coach Antwaan Randle El was one hell of a football player and athlete.
He was drafted to play baseball out of high school, and he played two seasons of college basketball for legendary Indiana University coach Bobby Knight.
So Randle El is a guy at One Buc Palace with a strong understanding of America’s Quarterback, Jameis Winston, who also was a multi-sport athlete in college. (Randle El played college baseball, too.)
A visitor to Buccaneers Radio this week, Randle El spends time encouraging Jameis to stay confident, he said, because Jameis already has quarterback coaches and Randle El doesn’t want to “step on toes.”
“He’s a guy who gets out of the pocket; I try to tell him, man, ‘you gotta get down sometimes,'” Randle El said. “Because he’s always involved. Like he can hand the ball off and then he runs and tries to throw a block. I’m like, ‘No, man, You might do that in college, you don’t do that in the pros.’ But that’s my biggest thing with him, just being able to encourage him.
“Even this year, seeing the growth that he’s made from Game 1 until now, and everybody talks about the interceptions. I think he’s at 20. Right now, we look at it as coaches, yeah, he’s at 20 interceptions but 10 or 11 are not his. You know, so it’s like he gets thrown under the bus and obviously gets a lot of blame for it. But he’s still [top 3] in a lot of statistical categories and stuff like that. So we got a guy that’s playing well, playing well enough. We want him to make some adjustments here and there. But that’s part of learning this new offense; he’s in a new system and we know he’s starting to come out of that a little bit. So we’ll see how that works out.”
Joe has talked to Randle El and listened to him speak a handful of times. He doesn’t strike Joe as a guy prone to coachspeak BS. So it intrigued Joe to hear Randle El talk about Jameis only being responsible for half his picks and getting “thrown under the bus.”
He also sort of echoed the “we’ll see” approach Bruce Arians threw out there yesterday when asked about Jameis’ future in Tampa.
Presented by Caldeco Air Conditioning & Heating, TAMPA TWO is back and humming with Buccaneers legend Derrick Brooks & Sage JoeBucsFan.com columnist Ira Kaufman. Among other things, Brooks ponders, “How do you play with a lead, a three- or four-score lead and finish a team off, versus did you let a team hang around too long?
Enjoy!
December 5th, 2019 at 10:39 am
Jameis has been victim since fsu…. between the gold digging cleat chasers and the ignorant bucfans poor kid has had to put up with a ton of crap. Jameis will be here for years to come. I feel sorry for the young man knowing he will never have a shot at playoff football being a buccaneer.
December 5th, 2019 at 10:46 am
To me the whole well like 8 of those picks arent his fault…. umm true, but there are like 10 other passes that are right in the defenders hands and they drop so do we count those as ints?? Every qb has guys that run wrong routes and ball that are tipped. It is what it is… he turns it over a lot, more than any other in a one , 2 or 5 year span. His point about just get down jameis is accurate. #3 has been lucky to no get hurt hanging on too long and throwing blocks, but that’s also what makes him a tough competitor.
December 5th, 2019 at 10:46 am
Wow, so now it’s more than half the picks weren’t his fault.
Sadly hilarious.
December 5th, 2019 at 10:47 am
Joe remember its never too early to start preperation for the 15th and 20 year playoff drought parties. you guys can celebrate all these meaningless topics while ignoring the object of the game which is winning
December 5th, 2019 at 10:48 am
Yay excuses.
December 5th, 2019 at 10:55 am
If he’s echoing the “We’ll See” response about Jameis’ future in Tampa then he IS spouting so “politics BS” about a fair analysis of Jameis’ play.
If he were THAT confident in Jameis’ play, and how half his INTs aren’t his fault, and yadda yadda yadda… well, then he’d know for sure that the Bucs would be crazy to let Winston walk… and HE’D SAY SO.
Him not saying that speaks volumes.
December 5th, 2019 at 11:00 am
As much as it will drive some fans crazy. Jameis isn’t going anywhere. Coaches know he can’t sling the rock as much as he does and not throw picks. With better Oline performance and more creativity in the run game(not slamming Barber up the middle) I think things will get better. Jameis sadly in my opinion will always be a double digit yearly interception guy. We force the ball downfield more then most teams and with Jameis under center some of those Ints will happen. Get rid of the bonehead plays and cut out the fumbles and things will be fine.
December 5th, 2019 at 11:03 am
“No one knows more about JW3 development as QB than Kobe Faker
JW3 has regressed this year under BA/BL Twins offensive scheme and playcalling compared to the 4 years under Klueless Koetter
Square peg in a round hole. The Twins has not emphasized nor developed further the strengths of JW3 skillset
JW3 is tremendous outside the pocket and throwing on the run. JW3 is a mobile QB that can create pressureto the defense by opening windows to his his recievers or 1st downs by his legs
Kobe has stated numerous times that the NFL will not HOF JW3 Potential til he is under the west coast offense.
We shall have to wait til BA/BL twins get bounced in another year”
Kobe Faker
December 5th, 2019 at 11:04 am
Better protection equals fewer interceptions. The Bucs have never had a top five offense ever, until Jameis. He has done that behind some of the worst OLs in the league. Every pass he throws is a new franchise record. Build on that.
December 5th, 2019 at 11:22 am
Every QB has INT’s that aren’t their fault.
The problem with Jameis Winston is him melting down for about 2-3 games per year.
Here are his stats to date:
1464/2389 (61%) for 18,287 yards (7.65 YPA) , 110 TD, 78 INT
Here are his stats when you remove his 2 worst performances each year:
1199/1929 (62%) for 15,140 yards (7.85 YPA), 98 TDs, 44 INT
The above stat line is basically what Jameis is 85% of the time – which is basically top 5-10 type QB especially with that high of a YPA.
The problem is he plays like the worst QB in the league 15% of the time.
One of the more unique NFL players I can think of with splits like this lol
December 5th, 2019 at 11:22 am
Can’t help but think racism is involved when people are blindly defending Jameis for his actions towards women in college. Do a little homework you sound like an idiot . That being said Johnny come lately quarterback coach needs to understand that Winston has 20% more turnovers in the last five years than the second worst quarterback in that time. Every quarterback can cry that they’re not all on the quarterback but seriously be real. That being said I do not blame Winston for all of our losses. The running game is nonexistent. The defense is the worstIn the NFL during that same time period. If Winston will resign for a reasonable amount I support it. If not let him walk.
December 5th, 2019 at 11:28 am
By the way Winston has had 25 giveaways this year not 20. Some thing the quarterback coaches should know
December 5th, 2019 at 11:31 am
Licht + Winston = SUCK
December 5th, 2019 at 11:33 am
“Kobe believes race might have alittle to do with JW perception but
I think it was the 24 hour non stop agenda ESPN coverage during the 2 years at FSU. There has been hundreds of other players wrong doings before, during and after but not 1 came even remotely close to the coverage JW3 had
for instance Dwayne Haskins taking a selfie and not in the game to run a play!!!!!!
WTF!!! nothing crickets. no one cared
can you imagine if JW3 did that?
city of Tampa bay would demand the owners to sit JW3 for the rest of the year”
Kobe Faker
December 5th, 2019 at 11:36 am
Every body for get that Payton had a 120 turnovers his first 5 years in the NFL. But it’s ok for Payton . And it’s ok for Bret Favre to be all time in interceptions because he’s a gun slinger. Lol lol lol lol . And Greg you want to talk about racism ok lol lol lol ….
December 5th, 2019 at 11:38 am
“racism is involved when people are blindly defending Jameis for his actions towards women in college”
What? Racism against white girls lol? What?
December 5th, 2019 at 11:39 am
Will he or won’t he (be back next year) all comes down to cost and length of commitment. You can’t fully leverage the future given his wild swings from super star to incompetent… and you can’t expect anyone to “fix” him given his consistent inconsistencies. One year on the tag ($27M) is the outer limit and is really a vote of confidence from BA… another one year guarantee of $20M dressed up in a multi-year deal to make him feel good is more reasonable… or, if he stinks up the next 4 games, maybe 2 years at $15M with incentives to boost above $20. All signs (including our draft slot) point to JW coming back next year… we and he need to figure out how to ink a cap-friendly deal and add a few more pieces that can position him for 70-80% Good Jameis while being able to overcome the unavoidable 20-30% Bad Jameis. Do it right and you can have a better version of Eli Manning or Ben Roethlisberger. Do it wrong and you get the worst versions of Rivers and Flacco. Some day I want to enjoy a Bucs QB like Brees, Brady or Rodgers… or even this year’s Mahomes, Watson or Jackson. Some day.
December 5th, 2019 at 11:40 am
Greg
The words racists, racism and bigot have been rendered meaningless the way idiots like you toss them around…. I’m a bitter old white guy and i defend jameis….. Jameis was setup for failure by this incompetent minor league franchise…. incompetent regimes minor league roster and zero organizational leadership… bucs were a total embarrassment before jameis and will be long after he is gone….. if you are going to go after jameis haters its not race as much as its dungy the clown nuthugging cult members
December 5th, 2019 at 11:42 am
@Kobe
ESPN probably already has some documentary prepared on the “Fall of Jameis Winston” and are just praying they get to use it. I’ve never seen them cover anyone with such constant negativity and bias. The hate him lol. NFL network for whatever reason doesn’t seem to have that bias.
Ben Roethlisburger supposedly raped a chick in a bathroom at a bar while he was already in the NFL and that all seemed to blow over like nothing, and there was way more legit smoke to that fire, compared to the 1000 holes in the accusor’s timeline/story/etc in the Jameis case, and the obvious lies/contradictions/etc that are non-debatable.
December 5th, 2019 at 11:54 am
Kobe
That’s because after JayMiss’s “HASSLES” everything else pales in comparison.
December 5th, 2019 at 12:01 pm
Id keep jamies
December 5th, 2019 at 12:02 pm
@tmaxcon … “”Jameis has been victim since fsu”. You actually wrote that with a straight face tmaxcon? Jameis … a VICTIM? He’s drafted NUMBER ONE in 2015 as a 20-year-old despite his shenanigans in college and HE’S a victim? He’s currently making $21 mil a year & sports a 26-40 record and HE’S a victim? He just passed 100 turnovers with 78 INTs in 5 years and HE’S the victim? Wow, you’ve definitely given new meaning to the word ‘victim’. Remind me to call Websters.
December 5th, 2019 at 12:02 pm
I think Jameis seems to be handling himself better than when he was younger.
YaY! But seriously, take better care of the ball.
December 5th, 2019 at 12:07 pm
He is handing the ball off better but we are in the bottom of the NFL in runs from shotgun because they don’t trust him to take care of the football.
December 5th, 2019 at 12:12 pm
Lord C … “The problem is he plays like the worst QB in the league 15% of the time.”
I have trouble going along with the 15% figure LC. More like 33%. Jameis has thrown FOUR or more INTs in the game FOUR times this year … we lost all FOUR. In 12 games. The TO differentials in those 4 games was -2, -6, -3, -4. Tough to come back from TO differentials like that.
December 5th, 2019 at 12:19 pm
Watching t max try to explain what words mean to others is liking watching a blind man trying to direct traffic.
December 5th, 2019 at 12:21 pm
@DR
I’m saying for his career not just 2019.
And he’s only thrown FOUR or more INT’s in the game TWICE this year not four games…
I took 2 games out per year or 10 total games. He’s played 68.
His stats in 58/68 games (85.3%) =
62% passer, 7.85 YPA, 98 TDs, 44 INT’s
December 5th, 2019 at 12:25 pm
As a fairly new resident of Tampa along with being a long time follower of the NFL I find it fascinating that JW is still on the Bucs roster. The first huge mistake was in drafting him and to now still hold out hope that he will somehow morph into a winning QB is completely devoid of reality. It’s great to be a loyal fan but to continue to go down this path only delays any possibility of the Bucs becoming a serious contender. It’s the embracing of mediocrity that has made this franchise a long time laughingstock.
December 5th, 2019 at 12:27 pm
“It’s the embracing of mediocrity”
Not sure what fans are embracing mediocrity. Look at all the heated comments and debates on this site over the years for evidence.
December 5th, 2019 at 12:45 pm
Never ever ever have I seen so many excuses for a QB not playing like a #1 overall draft pick.
It truly is mind-boggling that fans, coaches, the media alike always spew this kind of non-sense.
Let him walk and win the SB somewhere else if he’s really “that good”.
……after 5 years, it’s time to move on
December 5th, 2019 at 12:48 pm
I’m glad Randle El defended his guy, but Jameis needs to hit the road or sign for cheap backup money after his tag expires (It’s in the bag).
December 5th, 2019 at 1:12 pm
tmaxcon Says:
December 5th, 2019 at 11:40 am
Greg
The words racists, racism and bigot have been rendered meaningless the way idiots like you toss them around…
On this we agree…
December 5th, 2019 at 1:13 pm
Does anyone else get moderated every time they address T…….x?
December 5th, 2019 at 1:14 pm
t……n Says:
December 5th, 2019 at 11:40 am
Greg
The words racists, racism and bigot have been rendered meaningless the way idiots like you toss them around…
December 5th, 2019 at 1:19 pm
what else do you expect randle el to say…lol….the truth?….lol….
GO BUCS!!!!
December 5th, 2019 at 1:21 pm
Gotta take the bad with the good. I’ve decided I’ll put up with his bad to get the good. But if we don’t shore up the pass rush this is all moot! It won’t matter who’s QB next year and beyond
December 5th, 2019 at 1:24 pm
When your franchise of 42 years never had franchise qb and when they did they let them walk out thr front door you’ve better learned your lesson. You better let not one stone unturned
December 5th, 2019 at 1:25 pm
Tampabaybucfan – since I tuned out the troll, it’s been a much better place.
But yes, either the Joes or their algorithm is triggers by the little bugger.
In BA I Trust!
December 5th, 2019 at 1:30 pm
If you put up with his bad to get his good…. you might be in a mentally abusive relationship.
Please seek help before he does it to you again.
December 5th, 2019 at 1:33 pm
Trying to figure out if the Jameis haters are more stupid or the Jameis lovers, he’s this best, this isn’t his fault ect are more stupid. It is a very tough call.
December 5th, 2019 at 1:38 pm
Doosh
Interesting take
December 5th, 2019 at 1:45 pm
The guy is good and bad. He is Jay Cutler 2.0, Sure, you can find a year or tune in a long career where Cutler can take you to the playoffs but you won’t do it often and there will be a lot of wasted years.
1st 68 games.
Cutler 104 tds 79 int 43fumbles 62.2% comp and 16,000 yards
Winston 110 tds 78 ints 50 fumbles 61.3%comp and 18,300 yards
I’m sure lordcorn could go thru Cutlers games and show you where the recievers a d were at fault and if you took out a few games here, it really wasn’t that bad and all
December 5th, 2019 at 1:57 pm
Coach literally says MOST of the INT’s are not his fault. And that is throwing him under the bus????? come on.
December 5th, 2019 at 1:58 pm
Hmmmm, there are folk looking to much into BA’s and Randle El’s comments of non- committal, and why would they…..I think the organization ALREADY KNOW what they are going to do…..HE WILL BE SIGNED.
I think Winston will get a contract similiar to what the Jags gave Nick Foles , 4 years 88-100 million but the kicker will be the guaranteed money…..52 million of Foles 💰 is GUARANTEED….. I don’t think Winston will get that much guaranteed 💰 and that will be the sticking point in his contract negotiations…..I think the Glazer’s want to keep it under 50 mil…..I think Winston will take between 35 – 40 mil and sign.
Look, the Bucs know what they have in Winston and that includes the high int turnover……The Bucs are going to live with that and hope that as his career progresses the turnovers will drop…..Get him a better O-Line in run/pass blocking and those numbers go down drastically…..Hell, the opponents defensive line DOES NOT EVEN RESPECT OUR OFFENSIVE PLAY ACTION PLAYS, AND WHY NOT? – BECAUSE THE BUCS DON’T HAVE AN FFECTIVE RUN GAME
and NOT ONE NFL TEAM RESPECTS THE BUCS RUN GAME, the Bucs know that their offense revolves around the arm of Winston…..They know this and they can not get around it…..The Bucs knows that there is NOT ONE F-A QB AVAILABLE THAT IS BETTER THAN WINSTON….Their are folk out there wanting Foles as our QB but we saw what happened to him when your O-Line DOES NOT HOLD UP…..In that game Foles experienced the very same thing Winston has experienced in his career with the Bucs, when the offensive line does not hold up – interceptions and fumbles WILL HAPPEN…..With Winston as QB, the Bucs need that approach the PACKERS took when RON WOLF and Mike Holgrem traded for Farve from the Falcons…..Farve was a gunslingers and turnover machine too…..After getting Farve, the Packers went out and sgned Reggie White , Santana Dotson and some other pieces alone with Butler, HOF safety) on defense to compensate for Farvre’s turnovers…..
December 5th, 2019 at 2:15 pm
Bucs Anthem he is playing like a number one pick. Both Mannings had over 100 turnovers in their first 5 years
December 5th, 2019 at 2:18 pm
LC – I think you are on to something there with that breakdown of separating his 2 worst games per year.
Those who claim that Winston is a top 10 (or close) NFL Quarterback are correct. – 85% of the time.
Those who claim that Winston is a turnover machine and not worth keeping are correct – 15% of the time.
Even as a staunch Jameis supporter since (before) day one – I must concede that Winston is “good for” a couple “meltdown” games per year based on almost 5 years of history as Bucs Quarterback.
However – I’m not so sure that “all” those “meltdowns” would have occurred if Jameis had played for a better team those 5 years. Had a decent OLine – with a decent running game – and a defense that didn’t rank 26th or worse every year. Aside from the 5 game mirage in 2016 – He’s had none of those elements to “work with” other than a game here or a game there of “complimentary football”.
Those who don’t like or want Winston here call those “excuses” as to why Jameis turns the ball over too often and why his record as starting QB is poor.
The way I see it though – we could have had Aaron Rodgers or Russell Wilson here and NEITHER would be a “winning quarterback” if they had been starting QB for the Bucs the last 5 years.
Winston’s biggest “problem” if you ask me is that he wants to win so badly that sometimes he tries too hard. And when he “presses” – he’s had a tendency to make bone headed mistakes.
Coaches have had a very hard time convincing Jameis that more often than not – giving up on a play that’s not looking good – is better than trying to make that play happen anyway.
These are the circumstances that have resulted in a decent % of Winston’s turnovers. And they sometimes seem to come in “bunches” – particularly when the OLine and/or Defense are not doing a very good job supporting Winston’s efforts with ‘complementary football’.
I DO see some encouraging signs in this department as this year has progressed. Jameis seems a bit more willing of late to pull the ball down and run for what he can get instead of trying to force a throw into tight coverage. And I believe that when he feels he can trust his Oline to give some time – and can trust his defense not to give up 30+ points per game – that he plays in a more controlled, consistent and effective manner.
Its unfortunate that Winston has been credited with 20 INTs this year – but 9 of those 20 came in 2 games – and anybody that watches the games knows at least 35-40% of those 20 INTs were because other players made mistakes that resulted in an interception.
Winston is the most talented Quarterback this franchise has ever had and I guarantee you he’s not going anywhere.
He will always be a double digit turnover per year Quarterback – especially playing in a “vertical” offense – but if you provide him with an average or better OLine AND Defense – Jameis Winston is very capable of winning a Super Bowl with the proper surrounding talent.
He’s still fairly young and has has at least a dozen or more years left in the NFL.
BA knows what he’s doing and so does Todd Bowles. They will continue to build this team around Winston and the Bucs will be competitive soon. The signs that this team has “turned a corner” are already there over the last 5 weeks. Winston and the Bucs have 4 more games to show fans why they should have legitimate hope heading into next year.
December 5th, 2019 at 2:26 pm
Get used to it Winston will be under center next season.
December 5th, 2019 at 2:27 pm
Lord C … My apologies, I was Instinctively reading that as turnovers, not just INTs. In that context, your 15% number is about right over his career it looks like. It’s interesting I think that if you look at Drew Brees’ career, his INT % went down considerably AFTER he stopped throwing so much deep stuff (starting in 2017). His completion % went up, his yards/game average went down, and so did his sacks taken. Oh and his winning % went up too.
I suspect the same thing would happen to Jameis IF he didn’t throw as much deep stuff. Right now his INT% sits at 3.3% for his career, but this year it’s 4.3% (highest it’s ever been). Brees has a career INT% of 2.4% but it’s been as high as 4.2% (in his 3rd year). Brett Favre in comparison had a INT% of 3.3% in his career (same as Jameis), but it was as high as 5.3% in his last year. In his first 5 years though, Favre averaged 2.9% (it got worse later in his career).
I’ve said before that EVERY NFL QB most likely has a certain percentage of INTs that he gets charged with that were really their receivers fault. The cost of doing business I guess. Kinda like the DEFENSE getting tagged with the points when a QB throws Pick-6’s?
December 5th, 2019 at 2:45 pm
how the hell do we turn off the autoplay of the brooks/kaufman vids? it’s annoying as crap.
December 5th, 2019 at 2:52 pm
Pickgrin … EXCELLENT analysis. You hit on the biggest improvement that I see in Jameis this year … his willingness to take off & run when the pass obviously isn’t there. He actually did that quite effectively last year also, but not many really noticed it appears. Last year he did it 49 times for 281 yards (5.7 YPC). This year he’s already done it 47 times for 220 yards & is on-track to do it 63 times for 293 yards (his most ever). Not only is that a sizable chunk of yardage (that could’ve been negative IF he took the sacks), but it also helps keep the defense honest. I’m not a big advocate for designed runs (except for QB sneaks), but ‘taking off’ when the play breaks down or if the defense leaves a monster hole can be very advantageous.
I’m not as convinced as you are that Jameis will be back next year, but I do think that the odds of that happening improve with every win. A LOT of people will have their say in that decision I think (GM, HC, OC especially, PLUS Jameis), BUT it’s the Glazer Boyz who hold the final say. In an entertainment business, Jameis isn’t drawing the crowds for one thing. For another, his ‘cost’ will determine what ELSE the Bucs can or cannot do to help them be competitive for a playoff spot. Plus there’s the issue of ‘What does JAMEIS want?’
Totally agree with your ‘bottom line’ … “The signs that this team has “turned a corner” are already there over the last 5 weeks.” The future looks so bright I’m having to wear sunglasses these days when watching Bucs’ games.
December 5th, 2019 at 3:16 pm
Yes TBBF mine also find their way into that holding pattern.
December 5th, 2019 at 3:21 pm
@DR
No problem my liege. I love #’s lol.
@Pickgrin & DR
Good points in general. For me it’s an unknown, but I’m pretty sure if Jameis went to a team with a better foundation in terms of a solid front office that put together a competent defense / O-line / Run game vs trying to build a team with WRs/TEs & short corners, it’d have drastically changed how his first 5 years played out.
Someone brought up Cutler….
Jay Cutler went to the winning-est sports franchise in the NFL in the Denver Broncos. He didn’t go to the Cleveland Browns or Tampa Bay Bucs or Buffalo Bills.
His next stop was with the Bears for 4 years, who had above average or elite defenses every year he played…
The one year Winston had an AVERAGE defense we had a winning record, with a bottom 1/3 run game, offensive line, skill players, and probably the worst kicking situation in the league.
Not a good comparison.
December 5th, 2019 at 3:28 pm
Winston can not trust his Defense to keep our opponents under 30 points a game? Is not Trust a two way street? When can the Defense trust their QB to not continually turn the ball over? Not saying that our Defense is yet dominate, but they are showing life these past few games. When can they Trust Winston to not turn the ball over, so that they can have that same trusted confidence in the offense?
December 5th, 2019 at 3:55 pm
He sucks. He demeans women. He lies. He gropes. He sucks on and off the field.
December 5th, 2019 at 4:10 pm
So there are some more interesting advanced stats around.
As we suspected, Winston is throwing down field more than anyone else based upon average depth of target. I think that is mostly by design but let the debate start on whether he is missing check downs.
However, given that his intended targets are further down field – the advanced stats also show him with a very high percentage of bad throws compared to the rest around the league.
Do we blame the coaches?
I am not saying that none of the blame goes to the offensive line but when you pass for further targets down field, then that O line has to pass protect longer.
December 5th, 2019 at 4:22 pm
geno711 great points both BA and Dirk K are 4 Vertical offense guys. Deep shots are the very basis of the offenses. Big Ben, P Manning, and A Luck were on the upper end of number Int’s when BA was their OC. Even Matty Ice increased his Int’s this year and guess who is OC again Dirk K.
December 5th, 2019 at 4:31 pm
PICKGRIN,
OH PLEASE!
This “Jameis never had a running game…” excuse has been utterly DEBUNKED!
Doug Martin ran for over 1,400+ yards (2nd in the entire NFL) in Jameis’ 1st season and Jameis pulled off a mighty SIX wins.
It’s the same excuse you Jameis-Lovers have used with, “If they let Jameis go this team will revert back to only scoring 15-20 points a game…” this nonsense has also been DEBUNKED!
It was debunked by one Mr. Ryan Fitzpatrick. He threw for (3) games of over 400+ yards with many of these same Offensive players, yet didn’t have Godwin as a starter. Fitzpatrick also had multiple games of 4 TD passes.
So anyone claiming that “Only Jameis” can be productive with this Offense is NAIVE.
As for your “Interception Analysis”… sorry, bro, but it doesn’t hold water with the “many of those INTs weren’t Jameis’ fault…” this has also been completely DEBUNKED!
Anyone that has actually WATCHED all of our games this year knows there are another 7-8 INTs that were flat-out DROPPED by defenders. Kwon, Kuechly, etc. We’re talking about balls hitting defenders directly in the hands and/or chest.
Winston truly IS a turnover machine and someone that makes bad decisions. He has been CONSISTENT in this department for for FIVE YEARS. You should know this as he was the same way at FSU. His turnover issues at FSU were a major concern than many scouts ‘hoped’ he’d be able to improve on once in the NFL. It never happened.
The Bucs need to let Jameis walk and build their future around someone else. FIVE YEARS is enough time to prove that you can become a consistent NFL starter, which he has not.
December 5th, 2019 at 5:11 pm
“Doug Martin ran for over 1,400+ yards (2nd in the entire NFL) in Jameis’ 1st season and Jameis pulled off a mighty SIX wins.”
And the defense was giving up 26.1 PPG against a historically weak schedule of opponents and QB’s but let’s forget that…
Jamies WInston + AVERAGE defense = winning record even when the run game / O-line/ special teams sucked.
December 5th, 2019 at 5:19 pm
BucsBandit –
There is no use debating with an obvious WDS sufferer (Winston Derangement Syndrome)
I will however counter your “Jameis had 1 year out of 5 with a good running game” weaksauce argument by pointing out that he also had the NFLs 26th ranked defense to “work with” in 2015…. Ya know – the one that was up 24-0 over Washington and LOST the game….. ” You like that? ” basically put Kurt Cousins on the map.
December 5th, 2019 at 5:20 pm
Beat me to it Lord C
These Jameis haters are immune to logic when it comes to Winston.
December 5th, 2019 at 5:55 pm
@ lord corneliud
you dropped the mic!!!
Eyeopening.
December 5th, 2019 at 6:10 pm
If the Bucs DO keep Winston around for another season….I hope “the haters”will just go away for next season. Cause at that point you really are just whining, and nobody likes a whiner.
You know who you are.
December 5th, 2019 at 6:21 pm
1987
I thought you were done with JayMiss?
I thought you weren’t posting on here anymore either.
Make up your mind Sugar.
December 5th, 2019 at 6:31 pm
Lord C-
The 15% you mentioned is spot on, and that works out to 3 games per year that Jameis costs the Bucs games.
He’s not the only reason Bucs lose, but if he can reduce that 15% to 1 game, that’s at least a couple more wins.
Let’s see it happen these last 4 games…
December 5th, 2019 at 6:37 pm
Boombang-
The flaw in your argument is the rules have changed to favor Offense since Favre’s era.
Teams simply cannot get away with giving other Offenses additional possessions because of turnovers. It is like giving the other team 4 points per turnover- you will not win, even with a solid D, which you do need to win.
December 5th, 2019 at 6:46 pm
Doosh…your comments read like a whine most of the time already……
I’d hate to have to read more of it in 2020.
December 5th, 2019 at 6:46 pm
It dawned on me that even with contrary points of view on re-signing Jameis, most JBFers are essentially in agreement on one thing: give Jameis a strong defense, a quality OLine, an effective running game and his stats will be much improved. Jameis is a good QB IMO (but yes, prone to periodic meltdowns), but you could probably say the same things about any NFL QB, even Tom Brady & Drew Brees. Any QB will do better with a strong defense, a quality OLine, and an effective running game. And just about every QB has ‘periodic’ bad games.
The BIG question becomes though … Can you AFFORD all those other ‘things’ and STILL pay your starting QB top dollar in this era of the salary Cap? THAT’S the big equalizer. How well a TEAM manages that determines the quality of their starters, key rotational players AND their depth players.
With Jameis making ‘only’ $21 mil this year, we were the tightest in the league for awhile IN SPITE OF having the youngest (aka cheapest) Secondary in the league, a sizable number of players on 1-year ‘try-before-buy’ contracts, a meh RB stable, an OLine that’s average at best, and oh ya, relatively little depth behind our 2 starting WRs. The prices for many go up in 2020 (we have among the lowest number of players under contract for 2020 at 35 AND probably 5-10 of those won’t even be with us in 2020).
Bucs’ management is definitely facing what some might term a ‘conundrum’.
December 5th, 2019 at 9:07 pm
Randle El knows THE BOOK … he doesn’t have Jameis Winston Derangement Syndrome … neither does Jason Licht, Bruce Arians or Byron Leftwich … JAMEIS WILL GET PAID$$$$$$$$$$$$
December 7th, 2019 at 5:20 pm
@pickgrin by far the most intelligent response to this article by far. Don’t know how many college graduates responding to this particular article are lawyers. The easiest thing’s to do in a legal system, (1) Grand Jury indictment. (2) College review board implications. JW was NEVER implicated or indicted. Get over it and move along! She was a GROUPIE!