The Remedy For Picks
November 26th, 2019
Bucco Bruce Arians at work.
Joe knows some folks are modern day Woody Hayes-types that lurk among us. Mention “interceptions” to them and they begin quivering and mumbling incoherently like Principal McVicker.
Well, good guy Mike Tanier of Bleacher Report thinks Bucs coach Bucco Bruce Arians has found the elixir to Jameis throwing picks. He has sort of tricked Jameis into good passing and this was on display in Artie’s Ark in Atlanta on Sunday, as Tanier typed in his weekly “Gridiron Digest” piece.
Mystery touch of the week: Vita Vea, a 350-ish pound Buccaneers defensive tackle, lined up as a goal-line fullback and sneaked into the flat for a touchdown pass from Jameis Winston. Bruce Arians is a genius: Why didn’t anyone think of teaching Winston to throw to defenders on purpose earlier?
If someone is hung up on interceptions, the resolution is simple. Go full blown ground-and-pound and don’t throw the ball. Good luck winning any games much less selling any corporate sponsorships, save for a trucking company or a farm implement outfit.
If the Bucs went all Woody Hayes, what’s the over-and-under on Peyton Barber racking up 40 yards a game?
November 26th, 2019 at 12:08 pm
That’s just cold! 🤣🤣🤣
November 26th, 2019 at 12:10 pm
The remedy for solving the picks is easy. Don’t resign the perennial league leader in that statistic.
November 26th, 2019 at 12:14 pm
“If someone is hung up on interceptions, the resolution is simple. Go full blown ground-and-pound and don’t throw the ball”… Sorry Joe but that is stupid rational. Plenty of QBs that can hit open recievers. Qb in Seatle, san fran, Baltimore, and the list goes on and on of guys that don’t make dumb throws. No one in the history of the NFL will have turned it over more than #3 in a span of 5 years… ground and pound is not the answer, being smart with the football or finding someone who is would be the correct answer. Can’t win consistantly when turning it over is the only thing consistant.
November 26th, 2019 at 12:26 pm
When you’re scoring an exceptional 28.3 points a game of offense, but your defense is giving up an outrageous 30.4 points a game, I’d look at the defense as the biggest issue holding this team back.
November 26th, 2019 at 12:27 pm
How about giving him a running game more than one year of his career. The recipe varies and he would have always needed a run game and o line. He threw a lot of picks in college. It’s the gm that’s clueless especially with all the scouting they did on him having the number 1 overall pick. Hes got enough talent to win but cant have a horrible o line run game and defense basically everything needed to ever get in the playoff hunt.
November 26th, 2019 at 12:27 pm
“It seems Jaboo had enough of listening to the BA/BL twins and made up his mind
BA/BL twins telling him to stay in the pocket and throw the ball away with defenders all over him
instead it seems JW3 is doing what he did last year and gaining yards and 1st downs by running when protection breaks down
Bruce Arians never had a mobile QB
Learn old man”
Kobe Faker
November 26th, 2019 at 12:37 pm
2 picks by JW and someone is declaring victory. the 2 passes for TD’s by Godwin could easily have been picked. Why would you continue to sell JW when the negative history is there. He gets the yardage he gets because he has the two best receivers in the game.
November 26th, 2019 at 12:40 pm
excuses, excuses…Hasn’t this fraud done enough damage to this team? Glazers would be downright DUMB to handover multi-millions to someone who destroyed last season with his off field crap, and every other season with bonehead fumbles and interceptions. Fitz is a very mediocre QB. He moved the offense last year. ANY QB can play here…he’s horrid. WAKE UP BUCS FANS!
November 26th, 2019 at 12:41 pm
Brilliant!
November 26th, 2019 at 12:42 pm
joe – you make it seem as if interceptions carry no impact to the game. at the end of the day and these are facts and numbers. the two stats that matter for a team winning are turnovers and red zone efficiency and that includes 4th down conversions. turnover battle is the biggest. you win that and youre highly likely to win.
yes jameis throws touchdowns but you patronize fans with these comments as if nobody understands football except you. i really dont understand it. people who criticize his picks are not all “haters”. you criticize other players all the time yet jameis always seems to be the least of your worries.
November 26th, 2019 at 12:43 pm
Full blown ground and pound, also known as the Leftwich and Koetter first down guarantee play, is not going to get us W’s.
November 26th, 2019 at 12:47 pm
Ridiculous!
There is a difference between throwing pics and throwing 78 of them in under 5 years.
Pay the fool 100 million, it’s not my money and the glazer babies deserve to get 1 Million per turnover on their investment.
November 26th, 2019 at 12:47 pm
exhaustive ..don’t look here
November 26th, 2019 at 12:49 pm
’79 Defense – You are not factoring how many points are caused by a Winston turnover, for example, the 49ers game along Winston threw 2 pick-sixes. This past week Winston’s picks if I am not mistaken lead to 10 points. It is hard for a defense to succeed when your QB turns the ball over within our own 50. Also, people will argue that Winston turns the ball over because we are so far behind but what are the excuses when it is on the first drive? How many first drive turnovers have we seen this year alone? And don’t get me wrong the defense isn’t great and it isn’t all Winston but you do need to accept these facts. This is a week in and week out problem for Winston. The fact is Winston needs to improve period.
November 26th, 2019 at 12:51 pm
Minimizing impact of turnovers is like running up credit card bills and not worrying about it…
At the end of the day, you LOSE
November 26th, 2019 at 1:02 pm
doolnutts
EXACTLY.
And if he didn’t have ME13 and CG12 saving his a$$ with high degree of difficulty catches..things would be much worse.
November 26th, 2019 at 1:18 pm
This is the worst fan base
They talked about 2 INTs and then 2 TDS that could’ve been picks
That’s how it is game of inches
The guys is 2nd in passing look it up
Who we gonna draft or sign
LSU Qb old tweets will doom him
Oregon looked like a 2 rate rookie vs Arizona State
We can take a win but yet we want coach gone Gm gone
That’s been the problem no continuity
Go Bucs
November 26th, 2019 at 1:21 pm
Nano
Licht has been here plenty long enough. This roster has NO depth, a weak O-line, and a defense with lots of one year deals set to expire…..
November 26th, 2019 at 1:22 pm
OR…
HOW ABOUT BUILDING AROUND A QB THAT DOESN’T THROW TONS OF INTS?
YOU KNOW, LIKE 20+ OTHER STARTING QBS IN THE NFL.
November 26th, 2019 at 1:24 pm
If the Offensive Line protects Jameis and blocks for the running game and we keep two double digit sackers and have a strong DL and the young DBs keep playing like they did last Sunday, Jameis will run the table and win the rest of this season. This last game proved Jameis isn’t a loser. He could be an elite QB with the formula that turned the corner last week! And Licht deserves credit for putting together the players we need and the HC who is making it happen.
November 26th, 2019 at 1:39 pm
How about we hire Greg Roman from the Ravens as head coach, draft Jalen Hurts in the second round, and sign Jameis to 3rd string backup money or wish him luck and a fond farewell? Never going to happen since Licht is still a menace to our team acquiring talent and the villain that continues to dash the hopes of every Buc’s fan.
November 26th, 2019 at 1:47 pm
I have the cure. When you craft his extension, give him a fat ass bonus if he throws 10 picks or less a season. Like $5MM/season. Done.
November 26th, 2019 at 1:50 pm
nano107 Says:
November 26th, 2019 at 1:18 pm
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The yahoos on here are trolls, a lot of stupes, and losers with nothing better to do. Ignore them.
November 26th, 2019 at 1:59 pm
The cure for picks is to draft wide receivers who can get seperation.
So the Qb doesn’t have to throw into tight windows all the time.
November 26th, 2019 at 1:59 pm
Miken is one of those dumb Bucs fan. If you don’t understand why the qbs at San fran, Seattle and Baltimore all have top 10 running games & great dlines. Even without Jackson Baltimore is getting 5 yards a carry. The only time Winston had decent defense was in his 2nd year and they went 9-7 without a run game. Look at Goff he is in Winston postion now with no run game and a bad defense and he can’t score a passing td to save his life right now.
November 26th, 2019 at 2:10 pm
Jaywill… not really… Yes winston looked good his rookie year but unfortunately he looks the same in year 5. He turns the ball over way too much and still misses the wide open throw at time. You won’t a better roster, sure but now JW cost 20 million more than he did so thats signing 3 good players. Goff really isn’t a good qb, but they paid in long term and the rams are done. Yes, give Jameis a great d, a great o line, a great run game, and keep all his great weapons and he will be really good, except turn it over too much. Wouldn’t 80% of all qbs be great if you gave them all that. Jameis has proven he’s not good enough to over come any roster deficancy and can’t be consistant but will put up Jay cutler #’s
November 26th, 2019 at 2:11 pm
“Since JW3 came into the league (past 4years)
No QB was as effective and proficient outside the pocket than JW3 (especially 3rd down)
We have played 11 games and
BA/BL Twins has not once designed a rollout play or moved the pocket for JW3
Folks, We are dealing with a very stubborn old man”
Kobe Faker
November 26th, 2019 at 2:32 pm
SOEbuc … Nobody that I know of has ever said that the Bucs should go ‘full-blown ground and pound’, so I’m not sure what you’re implying. But a BALANCED OFFENSE seems to be preferred in today’s NFL … for the most part.
I remember when the Saints were an air-it-out team & finished 3 straight years at 7-9. Then Sean Payton transitioned to a more balanced attack & off they went. They’re using a 40-60 run-pass split this year, but a lot of their passing is very short to their RBs. Relatively few deep passes (compared to us). Interestingly, the Saints average Passing Yards/Attempt is now 6.7 … EXACTLY the same as the Bucs’ average Passing Yards/Attempt. Very much different attack philosophy, yet the same results. But one BIG difference shines through: Bucs have 22 TDs passing & 20 INTs; Saints have 20 TDs passing & 6 INTs.
Personally I prefer a 45-55 run-pass balance for the most part, assuming that you have a decent run game. Also like using the backs in the short passing scheme to get them ‘into space’ like Sean Payton does in the hopes that they can break one for a long gain. Focusing too much on the ‘Bombs Away’ attack philosophy seems to be a prescription for increased turnovers, lower completion percentages & lower TOP. That can be overcome with a strong defense like BA had in Arizona in 2013-2015, but without that it can be VERY costly as we’ve seen far too often.
November 26th, 2019 at 2:44 pm
JawWill … You’re right on in that it takes a relatively BALANCED TEAM to win in today’s NFL. Right now the Bucs have invested heavily in the offense, to the detriment of their defense. Cost us big in the first half of the season, but the youngsters in the Secondary are now starting to come around & we’ll continue to see steady improvement I’m confident. Problem is … players who play well expect to be paid. Guys like JPP, Barrett, Nassib, Suh, etc won’t play for peanuts if they have a good year. Thus the cost of defense is bound to rise next year. Given this little thingie called a ‘salary Cap’, doesn’t take much imagination to figure out where the money has to come from.
The other irony is that as these youngsters improve in the following years, there’ll come a time when THEY will expect to be paid. Guys like Vea, White, quality DEs, CBs & Safeties … all of them will expect to be paid. The REAL conundrum isn’t how to build a TEAM that can win. The REAL conundrum is how do you do that within the confines of the salary Cap? Takes a true artist of a GM to make that happen. And before you ask, Jason is no Michelangelo or Rembrandt. Fred Flintstone maybe.
November 26th, 2019 at 2:47 pm
But one BIG difference shines through: Bucs have 22 TDs passing & 20 INTs; Saints have 20 TDs passing & 6 INTs.
Why and How?
Because Payton and Brees dont run interception prone routes
no deep outs and comeback routes for defenders to jump
all cross patterns to Thomas and dump screens to Kamara
ball is out quick because all the routes are 5 air yards max
*the average pass yardage stat is completely misleading. air yards is the true barometer of how vertical the passing scheme of the offense is
November 26th, 2019 at 2:48 pm
Mike, he is the 2nd most prolific passer in the league with 3 MAJOR deficiencies on this team. You give him one of those three things and the Bucs are winning at a very high clip. This is the only fan base in the league that blames the QB for sacks. He is taking sacks because the o-line sucks and his recievers aren’t getting good separation. Hard to throw the ball away when 3 guys are collapsing the pocket and you have nowhere to go. If you have an effective running game that would alleviate the unrelenting pass rush we face week in and week out. Jameis has also put this team in position to win 7 times in the 4th quarter only to watch the defense give it away or a kicker miss a chip shot. He cannot make up for all of the shortcomings on this team and overcome it. No QB in the league could though. You give him an average defense alone and this team is 7-4. You give him an average defense and average o-line they are 8-3. No team has all the pieces it needs buy when all you have is a good recieving corps and the rest of the pieces suck you will lose. Make some upgrades and let this secondary gain some more experience and Jameis will lead this team to many many wins in the future.
November 26th, 2019 at 2:56 pm
@tdt… the o line is not a major deficiency! The run game is not a major deficiancy. The front seven is good. Of course the back 4 except for Sunday blow.
He has an average o line man, come on! Any other QB in the league throwing jump passes in their own territory for picks? JW can ball at times, I’m not some idiot saying he’s a bust. Just not much improvment since rookie year and the guy has some legit weapons. He looks like Jay Cutler and some of the D problems are on him.
November 26th, 2019 at 3:07 pm
“The most accurate QB in the history of the NFL- Drew Brees
couldnt complete passes to Brate because he couldnt get open and the Saints cut him
Last 4 years, JW continuously connected with Brate (seam pattern) and made him top 5 TE and put $30 million in his pocket
Who is inaccurate?”
Kobe Faker
November 26th, 2019 at 3:17 pm
The problem with Jameis is his decision making…..the jump pass is a good example…..he thinks he can make a play on every snap to save the down…..make the yardage…..I’m not sure that even if he completed that pass it would have been enough for a first down.
I can’t tell you how many times we have had 3rd and 4 or 5 and…..oops…..there goes a difficult pass downfield or out to the sideline…..or, we have 3rd & 8 and the pass is for 5 yards…..
It’s not always the playcall…..Jameis has many options if the 1st isn’t open…..
He doesn’t do a very good job of seeing the field…..and his accuracy is very inconsistent.
The pass to Perriman should have been a touchdown…..that pass, like many cause the WR to fall down simply to make the catch…..happens with ME13 many times.
The good thing about Winston is his heart……he does have the heart of a lion.
November 26th, 2019 at 3:27 pm
Teams are not going to beat you if you hold them to a FG try. Even with TO’s on the wrong side of the 50 if your defense can hold that team to a FG it won’t matter when you average 27 pts a game. It’s all about the red zone dummies. You win the red zone you win the game. Unless your offense can’t get into the red zone like a lot of previous Buc offenses. This offense has no problem getting to the red zone even if they turn the ball over a couple of times.
November 26th, 2019 at 3:30 pm
Voodoo seems to be involved.
November 26th, 2019 at 3:35 pm
TampaBayBucFan – Facts Matter – The Bucs are 4th in the league in first downs. Do some research before you just make stuff up. Getting first downs and moving the ball up and down the field is not a problem with this team.
November 26th, 2019 at 4:10 pm
TouchDownTampaBay
So……I grant it…..3 first downs and then a TO is better than none..
We lead the league in first downs in part because we do move the ball and in part because our defense gives up points thus turning it back over to our offense….I never said we didn’t…..and everything I stated has been born out to be true.
November 26th, 2019 at 4:17 pm
Furthermore, the last time I checked….we were 4th in 1st downs between Baltimore, Dallas & Atlanta…..
Yes….still good in that stat.
November 26th, 2019 at 4:17 pm
Winning football sells, it doesn’t matter if you throw for 500 yards a game and 7 touchdowns. If you lose, nobody shows up. And you don’t win by turning the ball over.
November 26th, 2019 at 4:21 pm
There is only one stat that matters and that a W or an L. That’s how the football business works and put fan’s in the seats. All the other stats sell jerseys.
November 26th, 2019 at 4:45 pm
The replay of the Winston pick to Trufant that Mark Schlereth was quick to blame Mike Evans was not the right assessment. Trufant is trailing Mike on that route and under cut Mike to grab the easy pick. Winston either stared down Mike or he put the ball in the wrong spot where Trufant was the closest player to the ball.
Go watch it again.
These WRs have made Winston look good on so many occasions.
November 26th, 2019 at 7:05 pm
Nano 137 lets sign him to a long term contract and see how many playoff appearances we get. Don’t get hung up on stats look at the real stat wins and loses thats all that matters.
November 26th, 2019 at 7:22 pm
Kobe … Why and how? Let’s see. Saints are 9-2 and we’re 4-7. They whooped us twice this season. PERHAPS they’re doing something right Kobe?
November 26th, 2019 at 7:38 pm
DR
Kobe is a big payton fan
If Sean payton swapped teams with Arians,
Sean with the exact Bucs players will win 10 out of 10 times
*Brees under BA would not last 3 games
November 26th, 2019 at 7:47 pm
@lambchop talk about “seeing what you want to see”…
Dear LORD! Mike is one of the biggest LOAFS in the league..
Good news though. Eagles fans have given up on wentz too. Lol!
Maybe you can swap Qbs. I never thought eagle fans would make another fan base look CLASSLESS. CONGRATS!
November 26th, 2019 at 7:50 pm
Kobe has made some GREAT points. Try to argue those instead of sounding remedial. Good luck!
Sean Payton is the BEST offensive mind in the league.
Frank Reich is probably 2nd.
Most of the goofballs on here sound like they’ve NEVER seen Brett Favre, years 1-15, Tom Bradys 18 Td 12 int SUPER BOWL ,or, Drew in San Diego. Are you guys 12?? LOOLOLOL!!!!
November 26th, 2019 at 8:14 pm
Snoozer Joe
November 26th, 2019 at 8:56 pm
Kobe … Sounds like what Bum Phillips once said about Bear Bryant …
” Bryant can take his’n and beat your’n, and then he can turn around and take your’n and beat his’n. “
November 26th, 2019 at 8:59 pm
Best way to get rid of the turnovers is not to re-sign the league’s leader in turnovers
November 26th, 2019 at 9:55 pm
The solution for JW’s interceptions is playing In Minnesota.
But OJ Howard fell to us 🤦🏻‍♂️
November 27th, 2019 at 6:00 am
See, what a lot of people refuse to admit is that for all the glory and excitement of a “passing league”, you still HAVE TO have a running game. To take it a step further for all my “old school” brethren, DEFENSE (not offense!) wins championships.
The “Woody Hayes” analogy is laughable to me when used to make the statement that Winston can carry this football team. LESS Jameis Winston, that’s right LESS, means better chance at Buc victories. It’s not a made up stat either. If you can view it objectively, it makes sense: When Jameis attempts more than 35+ passes over the course of his entire career, the Bucs are flat out awful. In fact, the statistics say that the Bucs are almost twice as likely to win if he attempts less. These are factual, statistical numbers.
When he’s throwing less, the TEAM is effectively running the football and playing good defense. The TEAM.
I laugh when I hear these analogies! What has San Fran built at 10-1? What is Baltimore? Check the stats at the end of the season and see just how ‘out of balance’ playoff team’s play selection is.Here’s a hint: They run the ball! Do we need to go all “Woody Hayes”?! No. BUT, we certainly don’t want Jameis to be hurling the rock all over the place either.
Keep in mind that he attempted 28 passes last week, had over 300 yards, and a 100 yard WR.
At the end of the day, the team that can run the football more effectively and play good defense will beat a team that can’t.
LESS Jameis!