Quarterbacks Better Than Jameis
November 5th, 2019
Decision Jameis is going to be a fun countdown.
What will the Bucs do? When will they do it? What should they do?
So many layers and angles and factors.
The season ends in 54 days!
One thing Joe is sure of is that if Jameis Winston stays healthy through this season, he’ll have a job playing in the NFL next season. Turning 26 years old in January, there will be at least one team that badly wants America’s Quarterback.
Joe was asked yesterday where Jameis ranks among NFL starting QBs. It’s always a good question and midway through a season is a great time to ask.
Below, Joe typed up a list of 18 quarterbacks one could argue are better than Jameis:
Tom Brady
Lamar Jackson
Jacoby Brissett
Patrick Mahomes
Derrick Carr
Carson Wentz
Dak Prescott
Aaron Rodgers
Kirk Cousins
Matthew Stafford
Drew Brees
Teddy Bridgewater
Matt Ryan
Jimmy Garoppolo
Jared Goff
Deshaun Watson
Russell Wilson
Philip Rivers
Joe is unable to say all these starters are better than Jameis. Joe definitely would not place Rivers ahead of Jameis, for example. And Joe’s not going to say that Teddy Bridgewater and Jared Goff are better than Jameis.
So in Joe’s mind, Jameis is no worse than the 16th-best quarterback in the 32-team NFL and he might be as high as 13th- or 14th-best.
Joe expects Jameis to have huge games in the second half of this season. He gets the terrible Falcons defense twice, plus Detroit’s miserable secondary and a porous Arizona defense on Sunday. Better defenses of the Jaguars, Colts, Texans and Saints round out the schedule.
The ups and downs are sure to keep flowing from No. 3; that’s who he is. But Joe suspects when the season is over, Jameis, if healthy, will be ranked by most NFL people in the upper half of NFL starters.
Then what?
Decision Jameis looms, assuming the Bucs haven’t made a decision already.
November 5th, 2019 at 12:08 am
Problem is JW team is not winning. Sure JW is better than 15 of the Qb you listed
November 5th, 2019 at 12:12 am
Jameis is polarizing. He will look like an elite QB (Rams, Sea Hawks, Giants, Part of titans game) Then He will look like a complete idiot (Panthers in England, 49ers, Bengals 2018, Saints, etc) 5 years in and 1/2 of me says keep him and make the team around him great. The other 1/2 says move on and find a guy good enough to make a few more plays that will help us win games. Against the sea hawks Winston played as good as you could have asked, the rest of the team let Tampa Down.
November 5th, 2019 at 12:13 am
@Lamarcus,
Better than 15 of the QBs Joe listed? On what grounds? Cuz it’s not by wins, Int %, Td/Int ratio, Completion %, turnovers, etc.
LOL. You guys have been fooled into thinking he’s above average because he decides to play a couple of games like a pro bowler.
He’s a #1 draft pick who has been playing at best as a 2nd round pick. He still makes rookie mistakes to this day which even last year’s rookies have improved on. The lucky TD that Perriman grabbed was almost picked off against Seattle. I mean you live and die by that guys arrogant or asinine play.
Jameis ranks in the bottom third of starting QBs for me.
November 5th, 2019 at 12:15 am
To be average or above average, you gotta play above average CONSISTENTLY. I can’t remember a time going into a game knowing how good Jameis was going to play. Cuz nobody knows, not even Jameis.
November 5th, 2019 at 12:17 am
I SO HOPE, that TB lets Jameis go via FA……
I cannot wait for the posters, (post-Jameis) to opine the days of having 30+ points games w JW3 as QB, as average……
Get ready, for future offenses, that can only put up 10 Pts/game…..
PLEASE —–SAVE THIS POST —–i WILL!
November 5th, 2019 at 12:17 am
This decision should have been a no brainer. Unfortunately JW is who he is, which is his own worst enemy. Liked what I saw in the last game and vs Rams. Hated what I saw in 3-4 others and meh in the rest.
When it comes to the big games (wild card, playoffs ets) it will be impossible to know which JW will show up.
Fools Gold. Yr 5 and we still don’t know, including me. Unbelievable. If I had to make a decision today, I’d try to negotiate a cheap 2 yr deal ($15-18M per yr). If he doesn’t bite. Adios.
In BA I Trust!
November 5th, 2019 at 12:17 am
Jameis is my QB. Draft a couple O-Linemen, sign a few veteran DB’s. Add to the pass rush.
Don’t get me wrong, I get nervous every time Jameis passes, or holds on to it for way too long. I was only able to watch the first half on Sunday, but was impressed to see Jameis throw the ball away a couple times.
November 5th, 2019 at 12:22 am
BA Redzone,
Ryan Fitzpatrick, who is an equally inconsistent QB, put up bigger scores.
Your point is stupid. This offense is built to score with an average QB. Imagine a QB who can play like Russell Wilson, Aaron Rodgers, Deshaun Watson.
OMG, we are not that lucky.
November 5th, 2019 at 12:31 am
If you input all of Jameis’ stats and results into a computer, the computer would print out “does not compute” and then explode.
November 5th, 2019 at 12:32 am
Joe
Check the nfl leader boards and then re-write this article.
November 5th, 2019 at 12:33 am
It’s a sad day in Tampa Bay when we get excited and relieved at the same time when our QB throws the ball away. What more do you need to understand?
We have been ingrained to have lowered expectations at QB. I demand greatness at QB, DE, CB, WR, RB. Every other position can be average or above average that can be enhanced through teamwork. But there is no amount of teamwork that can mask a putrid QB, RB, WR, CB, or DE. You know a turd when you see one.
November 5th, 2019 at 12:38 am
Rivers is leaps and bounds better than JW, LOL! You guys are on crack!
November 5th, 2019 at 12:47 am
Spotrac has Jameis’ market value at about 3 yrs/23.4 mil per year. He’ll definitely get that money from somewhere if the Bucs choose not to sign him. If I had to make the decision right now I’d try to get him in a 3 yr contract with only 2 yrs guaranteed but still draft a QB first round to challenge him for the job.
November 5th, 2019 at 1:00 am
@Waterboy,
I don’t see that happening. There will be too much distraction for Jameis having a 1st round QB waiting in the wings. Jameis, and most QBs, will realize the team has no faith in him and it will affect his play.
The only reasonable thing is to get a veteran to back him up if he’s going to be here, but you can’t let Jameis be a reason to get rid of that backup ala Ryan Fitzpatrick. Ryan never came here to be the starter, but once he had some success because of Jameis’s suspension and injuries, it totally messed up the dynamics in the QB room.
If you’re going to draft a 1st Rd QB, you can’t keep Jameis around.
November 5th, 2019 at 1:01 am
After 4.5 years the Bucs know what they have in Winston, and the decision is probably already made.
We could sit here and list all of Winston’s many strengths and weaknesses but the one thing that makes the Buc’s decision is his continued inconsistantsies. Half of the time he plays like Tarzan, the other half of the time he plays like Jane. It’s very hard to win with a QB like that because you never know which one you will get on each game day so its makes it hard to put trust in him.
I think the Bucs know that Winston has hit his ceiling so what they see is what they get.
Signing Winston to an expensive long term deal would just be absolutely ludicrous. All of the other NFL teams know about Winston also and would only be interested in him as a possible backup at a backup’s salary.
November 5th, 2019 at 1:03 am
@lambchop…Okeedoee my friend. I will take your bet…..ALL DAY!
Ryan Fitz is a streaky QB, and very good, until he is NOT. See his STATs. That is why Fitz has started for 8 teams…..i like him, but get real!!!!
My bet, is: 1) Staying w Winston, will pay off in 2020. 2) New QB in TB, will result in 3-10 points/game… Win with this defense?
TB issues – are Defense….. secondary…… Not the QB
30+ points a game by offense in NFL……and you lose?????? Seriously? Someone help me —–DEFENSE?
November 5th, 2019 at 1:09 am
BA Redzone,
While describing Fitzpatrick, you described Jameis to a T.
You made my point for me, thanks! JW is Fitz 2.0 and will be a journeyman QB. Make sure you bookmark that!
November 5th, 2019 at 1:10 am
ISSUES ON THIS TEAM ARE ON DEFENSE
November 5th, 2019 at 1:12 am
BA Redzone,
I’m talking about quality QB play, not wins. Let’s get those things straightened out real quick. Cuz the defense needs to be improved. But, even with that putrid defense last year, Fitzy scored more than the defense gave away. But, that’s not a formula for consistent wins as he does play like Jameis after all.
But, wins is not my reason for making Jameis walk the plank. He just isn’t good enough for my expectations. You can’t be scared to move on. You know that the next guy won’t play better? Please tell me my future while you’re at it cuz you seem to be a fortune teller.
November 5th, 2019 at 1:17 am
You guys talk about DEFENSE as a scapegoat as if Jameis is the next Tom Brady. Child please. Jameis has lost as many games as the defense. They BOTH need to be improved. What makes improving the defense and QB mutually exclusive?
We can do better at both.
November 5th, 2019 at 1:18 am
I just want to know how a “back-up qb” as you guys say ranks 5th in TDs and 7th in Yards? That’s one heck of a back-up.
Lamb
For someone who is focused on consistency how do you forget Fitz outings against the Steelers, bears, giants and redskins?
You guys are pretty funny man.
November 5th, 2019 at 1:24 am
Jameis Winston is only better than Ryan Fitzapatrick in Int%, Td/Int ratio, Completion % for his career as a starter with 1,500 passes. Jameis is ONLY better than 1 other starting QB with 1,500 passes!
And Fitzpatrick has had a longer career to suck than Jameis but Jameis said hold on old man, I want to be the worst starting QB before my rookie contract is done!!
What an accomplishment. Someone please give this guy the keys to the city!
November 5th, 2019 at 1:24 am
I guess I’m the only one who saw JayMiss ATM Winsnot go 10 plays for 75 yards with 4 mins left to tie the game. The kid went blow for blow with the best QB in the league but it just wasn’t enough. Never is enough is it? Unless of course he’s scores 55 ppg. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
November 5th, 2019 at 1:30 am
Apparently, you people think the DEFENSE is responsible for an Int% of 4.6% this year and 3.2% for his career (making him 2nd worst).
You guys need to have some antioxidants in your diet cuz you’re lacking some brain cells and lord knows you need all the remaining brain cells you got left.
November 5th, 2019 at 1:35 am
@DB55,
If your reading comprehension is good, you’ll understand I’m not defending Fitz. I’m countering the lame excuses handed out to Jameis. For example, Jameis scores 34 and still doesn’t win. Well guess what, Fitz had the same crappy defense and won after scoring 30+. This offense scoring 30+ is not miraculously because of Jameis if another crappy QB could do the same.
Fitz is just as bad a QB cuz you can’t rely on him from imploding from his own mistakes ala Jameis. But, let it be known that you can’t hang a win entirely on Jameis as much as you can hang a loss entirely on Jameis.
I just have higher expectations from my starting QB. Be consistent. Be consistently good or consistently bad and stop wasting everyone’s talent and time.
November 5th, 2019 at 1:37 am
@BrianBucs
Tom Brady, would be challenged behind the Bucs O-line, and our current RB situation. Pass D, is a joke. 30+ points avg by offense, cannot win a game. Need 50+ points to win, with this D…..
Tampa needs to release/cut JW3…..not sure if he lands as backup or starter….Next Rookie QB – might post 10 pts/game……good luck!
JW3 will thrive in an offense with a solid O-Line…become playoff QB.
Another former Tampa QB, who goes on to win a SB…. on a different team.
TB needs to let JW3 go……Fans hate JW3. Release him!!!!! Get ready for 10-13 point games….. Those 25-35 point games, will be history….
November 5th, 2019 at 1:42 am
BA Redzone,
Uhh, you keep recycling the same old argument. Fitz scored behind a suspect line and bad defense. What makes you think Jameis is God and is the only one who can score with this team?
I’ll bet we can get a better QB and better secondary. This OL is not the problem any more. They give up one or two plays here and there but Ronald Jones, Ronald Effing Jones can get 67 yards behind this line and score! Jameis just needs to get rid of the ball quicker.
Watch Deshaun Watson play. He has to scramble to save his life but he’s a play maker. Expect better from your QB and don’t live in denial. This offense is a plug and play QB from scoring. What would Tom Brady and Russell Wilson do with the targets we have if Jameis can get 30 points? It’s mind numbing to think of the potential of this offense with a CONSISTENT QB.
November 5th, 2019 at 2:00 am
Lamb
You should go back and check, Fitz won 2 of 8 games played 1 of which (week 1) he scored 30+ points. If he did score more than 30 that season he lost those games too.
November 5th, 2019 at 2:02 am
The list of QBs that Jameis is clearly better than currently is a lot shorter:
Trubisky, Fitzpatrick, Flacco, Dalton, Allen, Jones, Darnold, Mayfield.
November 5th, 2019 at 2:32 am
Jameis has 22 fumbles since 2015, the most for any player (not just QB) in that time span.
But, let’s blame the DEFENSE to cover this up.
If your QB is decisive and gets rid of the ball, this doesn’t happen.
November 5th, 2019 at 3:39 am
How about a list of Qbs sith a better team than Jameis. None of those Qbs will win with this team, and this defense for the past 5 years.
November 5th, 2019 at 4:15 am
Syl is right. The Bucs need to put up 40 a game to get the W with the current state of the D. That leaves no margin for error on the qb’s part and unfortunately #3 does make at least a couple of mistakes each game thus we are looking @ 4 dash 12 or so…
November 5th, 2019 at 5:27 am
@Joe … “He (Jameis) gets the terrible Falcons defense twice, plus Detroit’s miserable secondary and a porous Arizona defense on Sunday. Better defenses of the Jaguars, Colts, Texans and Saints round out the schedule.”
Thank you Joe, you just made the point I’ve made numerous times in the past. Jameis usually performs well against bad to average defenses, but usually performs poorly against the better defenses.
o 49ers: LOSS … #2 defense (Jameis had 3 INTs including 2 Pick 6).
o Panthers: WIN … #21 defense (Jameis had 0 TOs and had solid game)
o Giants: LOSS … #28 defense (Jameis had 1 INT but we SHOULD have won)
o Rams: WIN … #15 defense (Jameis had 1 INT for a Pick 6 but had solid game)
o Saints: LOSS … #10 defense (Jameis had 0 TOs)
o Panthers: LOSS … #21 defense (Jameis had 5 INTs & 1 fumble)
o Titans: LOSS … #7 defense (Jameis had 2 INTs & 2 fumbles)
o Seahawks: LOSS … #22 defense (Jameis had 0 INTs & 1 fumble but had solid game)
It’s the same story for his whole career. Against the better defenses Jameis doesn’t rise to the occasion. Against most average to poor defenses he does quite well. THAT’S not a messiah. Russell Wilson showed Bucs’ fans on Sunday how an elite QB puts an average to meh team on his back & wins.
Problem with Jameis is his inconsistency. He’s the proverbial Dr Jekyll & Mr Hyde. He can perform well against the lesser defenses, but struggles against the better ones. Looking at our 2nd half schedule, we SHOULD go 4-4 solely based on the defenses that Jameis will be playing against. That’d give us a 6-10 year, which is about where most predicted us to end up. AND roughly where Jameis & the Bucs have ended up other years except for 2016 when our defense had its’ 5-game ‘fluke’ performance.
And BTW, if Jameis didn’t have 2 receivers named Mike Evans & Chris Godwin this year we wouldn’t even be having this conversation about possibly re-signing him. Jameis is only performing average Joe because he’s got TWO of the best receivers in the game to throw to. ME13 is costing us close to $20 mil, and Godwin will expect to be paid BIG TIME (IF we can afford to keep him). IF THAT’S what it takes (plus the NFL’s most expensive OLine) to retain a #1 QB pick after 5 years and get him to play average, then I vote PASS. OK, off to the dungeon.
November 5th, 2019 at 5:53 am
As long as 3 is there, we will never see the playoffs, forget the numbers, who is to blameeverything really, just time to move on
November 5th, 2019 at 5:55 am
If Bucs re sign Jameis,
Byron Jones and Chris Jones are both free agents next year…
November 5th, 2019 at 6:01 am
For those hollering ‘It’s not Jameis; it’s the defense’ Lambchop is right … they’re not mutually exclusive. It’s BOTH the offense AND the defense right now. But the FIXES for each are most likely radically different.
The Bucs’ defense will struggle while this inexperienced Secondary learns. Simple as that. But they are learning. BA in his latest presser had glowing words for SMB (played the whole Seahawks game & did very well). Carlton Davis has been playing well, except for his dumb penalties. Dean got his baptism by fire Sunday, but actually did a lot better (4 PDs against an elite QB) than what I first thought. Whitehead’s playing very well I think, and so does Edwards (except that he’s not healed up yet). White is coming on now IMO & the front of our defense is playing solid D.
The Bucs’ offense has been too erratic. Far too many turnovers is an obvious problem. Far too many sacks & QB Hits is another, as is a mediocre running game (not that hard to get 100 yards running in a game IF you run often enough). Yes it’s scored a lot of points (230 in 8 games … 28.8 PPG average), but it’s been feast or famine. In 3 games (Giants, Rams, Seahawks … 3 bad defenses) we scored 120 points … 40.0 PPG average. In the other 5 games (49ers, Panthers, Saints, Titans … mostly better defenses) we’ve scored a total of 110 points … 22 PPG. What’s wrong with this picture?
November 5th, 2019 at 6:37 am
Ridiculous Joe takes to the keyboard here. America’s Grop…..errrr, Quarterback better than Rivers? No a freaking chance. Age-wise, sure…but talent wise? Hogwash!! And if Winston was offered as a 1 for 1 trade for either Bridgewater or Goff, the Saints and Rams would literally laugh at Licht. Face it, Winston is STILL a needle-mover…but the needle moves in the wrong direction. Anywhere he goes he will NOT be roundly embraced by the fans……just like here in Tampa Bay. What NFL franchise wants a polarizing turnover machine?
November 5th, 2019 at 6:43 am
Ah, the ebb and flow of Jameis Winston. 4+ years of it, no less. The highs, the lows. Yet ONE thing stands out above all others. ONE dubious stat that follows him like a lost child, one that has defined his career alongside of inconsistency.
Ironically, this stat is argued as if it were on trial, or taking the stand with Johnny Cochran cross-examining.
“But, but, but the defense your Honor?!”
We KNOW this stat, so we know this show. We can either WILLFULLY ignore it and HOPE that we can overcome mistakes, because it’s worked so far right? Or, we can turn the page, close the book, and move on from what is the most bipolar relationship between fans and their QB. He’s Jeckyll and Hyde, oil and water, joy and despair!
Quite simply, there is not enough Maker’s Mark still in distillation to be able to watch another decade, let alone another 5 years of this nonsense!
We know this book. We know this story.
Face it, if not for being a #1 pick, Jameis would’ve been gone long ago.
November 5th, 2019 at 6:45 am
If you can get Joe Burrow in the draft take him as he is clearly the best QB in the NCAA . JW did not play All Pro against Seattle , but the coaching staff blew it by running hurry up with 1st down at the 2 and around 50 ticks left . Why would you want to leave Russell Wilson any extra time on the clock to beat you? Some might say that did not matter as they missed the kick anyway , but not so fast. The D had spent the majority of the 2nd half on the field due to the abandonment of the running game in the 3rd and early 4th quarters. That last 46 second drive took a lot out of an already fagged defense , and then to have them go right back out in OT was a HUGE ASK. Perhaps an astute wag could ask who made the decision to hurry up ? That was clearly the wrong decision.
November 5th, 2019 at 6:48 am
Rivers isn’t as good as Jameis Joe? That’s not correct my friend.
November 5th, 2019 at 6:55 am
Whether you love him, or hate him doesn’t make a difference. The Glazers are going to roll with Licht, and Arains for at least two more years, which means Jameis will be here for at least two more years. Only if he completely implodes will he be gone, and that might not even do it. If we keep him, I still think it would be wise to draft a QB this year, because other then JW we don’t have much behind him. If AZ comes in with a rookie QB, and rookie HC, and beats us at home all this could change.
November 5th, 2019 at 6:58 am
Sorry Rivers is way better than Jameis. The teams troubles are not his to bare alone but he is a big reason why this team has been stuck in the muse for the past 3 years.
November 5th, 2019 at 7:06 am
The rankings on nfl.com are more accurate with more data backing them up. Only based on play this year and they change from week to week.
November 5th, 2019 at 7:07 am
Top 12 teams make the playoffs, so if your QB is not 12th or better, he is hurting your playoff chances.
November 5th, 2019 at 7:16 am
The question, is Mike Evans making Jameis look better than he actually is?
November 5th, 2019 at 7:18 am
My head hurts waiting for Jameis….MoveOn.Bucs
Average at best and has reached his potential….Gunslinger never one a gun fight !
Boot Hill
November 5th, 2019 at 7:23 am
23-39
With no end in sight of changing Jameis ” meaningless stats ” Winston America’s QB to ever be a consistent winner.
If the Bucs want to be sure they lose they will stick with their current formula at QB.
It’s likely what they will do. Go down the continuance of losing path and resign Jameis
November 5th, 2019 at 7:29 am
Winston had his great game and played well. If he stays consistent he will not have a great game next time, it will either be only OK or Meh. That sets up the Saints game to be a meltdown game for him.
He’s like the cycle of the moon or tides. There and not there, in and out.
November 5th, 2019 at 7:40 am
Joe, how many of those teams have an equally talented O-line and running game?
November 5th, 2019 at 7:43 am
You would think the Glazers want to keep losing. Then they can blame the move to London on ticket sales.
November 5th, 2019 at 7:44 am
I’d be hard pressed to find a team outside of Tampa that signs Jameis
So many teams have already invested in a young QB or will be drafting one or already have a QB better than Jameis
I’m going through the list of teams I can only think of the Bears, maybe the Bills If Allen doesn’t improve and an outside shot of the Patriots being interested if Brady goes somewhere else.
Fans thinking there is a long line of teams for Jameis will be surprised there is not many spots for him
November 5th, 2019 at 7:45 am
Big Ben not on this list? JW’s winning percentage is horrific and he’s not taken a snap in a playoff game and he never will unless he’s the backup and forced into action. Dude had a good game Sunday. Was a pleasure to watch. But we’re 5 years into his career and we see a game like this once every 5 games. He’ll do what JW does within 2 weeks. I agree with previous posts – stuck with him for now until a better pick or FA option emerges.
November 5th, 2019 at 7:55 am
Bucs will sign Jameis to a 2-year incentive laden contract……you heard it here.
November 5th, 2019 at 8:00 am
I just checked the leader boards. Yup Jameis is at the top with Baker having 33% more ints than the next highest qb and you have to go to page 2 to get his completion percentage.
He has a good drive every now and then so I guess those picks dont count
November 5th, 2019 at 8:01 am
Jameis was protected better against the Seahawks, so his performance was better. Period.
That has been half the reason for his ups and downs. If he is hit a lot, he gets reckless, just like most QBs. His turnovers rise when the hits and sacks rise.
I want to believe Jameis can excel behind a quality oline, but we’re at the point now where it is a bit pricey for a maybe. I do believe we are a Right Tackle away from a good oline though. Two tackles from being a great one.
And for heaven’s sake, Byron needs to call faster passing plays!
November 5th, 2019 at 8:03 am
Bucs might want a short extension for Jameis, but it won’t happen. Some team will play him more for longer.
November 5th, 2019 at 8:17 am
Fortify the defense and Oline and Bucs can win like the Panthers, Colts. Cant afford to sign JW and bring in FAs on defense. JW usually turns it over early in games and then pads his stats trying to play catch up.
November 5th, 2019 at 8:22 am
In a passing league, you have a bottom tier QB, avg o-line, and the worst secondary in NFL history. Add in three head coaches, four or five defensive coordinators, six or seven kickers….Its literally the formula for failure which is validated by Licht’s pathetic win/loss record.
So find me a GM worse then Licht…..good luck.
November 5th, 2019 at 8:26 am
I think you have to look for a consistent player at that position to win a super bowl. Has Winston ever put 4 consecutive consistent good games together. I can think of two games in a row. That won’t get you to big game let alone win it.
November 5th, 2019 at 8:36 am
There’s a lot of 1st & 2nd year QB’s not included on your list who’s teams feel they are in a better situation moving forward than the Bucs. For instance, the Jets, Browns, Cardinals, and Giants wouldn’t trade their QB situation for the Bucs in a million years.
November 5th, 2019 at 8:38 am
My criteria for playoff-caliber QB play: (posted numerous times, pls ignore)
TD/INT ratio > 2:1
TD %age > 5.0%
TD%age minus INT%age > 3.0
Typically the QB with the HIGHEST TD%-INT% is the MVP of the league.
JW3 has had only two seasons with his TD% > 5.0, and has NEVER been close with any of the other criteria.
tickrdr
November 5th, 2019 at 8:45 am
@Bonzai,,, Jameis has been protected pretty good all year. He makes his own sacks half the time. He played well because it was the Seahawks… Matt Schwab threw for 500yards last week vs them. Jameis will be Jameis and play great 3 more games this year and bad 2more games this year because thats who he is and thats what he’s always done.
November 5th, 2019 at 8:53 am
Another turn over (fumble) most likely cost Bucs the game, Shameis is a turnover machine which has lead to all of these loses.
November 5th, 2019 at 8:58 am
This, like most QB ratings, are slanted by “exciting to watch”… so guys like Lamar Jackson and Mahomes are instantly top 5 to fans. Very, very few are exciting AND consistent winners (Favre, Rodgers, for example). Most winning QBs are consistent, quick decision makers and not “electric”… see Brady, Aikman, Montana, etc etc. Even more Super Bowls are won by decision makers and accuracy (uh, Brad Johnson anyone?).
Jameis is an average QB. If he was at $10MM/year, probably worth keeping. But at $30 or 40? He isn’t good enough to win on a cap strapped team.
November 5th, 2019 at 9:00 am
Hate to say it but he’ll be back here next year on a one year deal even if we draft a QB. Real QBs stay with the team they are at or, a guy like Bridgewater will pick a team that has some actual potential to to win. We haven’t shown that potential since Gruden. Besides we won’t be throwing big money at some FA QB. I can’t picture that even in some bizarro alternate universe. Can Arians build a better QB out of college? Sure, but not in a year, and we are more than a season away from winning. Let Jameis take the lumps in another losing season, blame it on him, then anoint the next bum (cause that’s what we get, bums) and move on.
November 5th, 2019 at 9:09 am
@brad… yep, he will be back next year on the franchise tag and that will keep Lict around another year and BA will stay because he aint starting over. BA will make #3 better and we go 9-7 and sign #3 to a long term deal and then 3 more bad years… #bucslife
November 5th, 2019 at 9:09 am
Joe you do know Phillip rivers is a hall of fame quarterback… jameis is not even close to a great quarterback… in my mind he’s average … so to say rivers is not better than jameis … you got to be smoking that rock
November 5th, 2019 at 9:11 am
Absurd! No QB that turns the ball over as much as he does, throws for under 60%, and has an INT% at nearly 4 should be in any conversation for being in the top half of QBs in the NFL.
There are names on that list that may not be better now, but they have more upside than Jay-Miss. Gardner Minshew has had a better year and Phillip Rivers will probably be in the Hall of Fame one day.
Funny to see Matt Stafford’s name up there. Not that I disagree, but over the years you have bashed him.
November 5th, 2019 at 9:18 am
Jameis is Jackyl and Hyde. At times, I love the guy. I love what he does on the field and I can see the talent. Other times, I despise him because he alone has cost use games. I know the Glazers have to see this. After 5 years and no change in his play, I don’t know how you keep that around. He lose you too many games.
Mark my words, he will make at least one dumb play in the Cardinals game. I will come on this board and watch the multitude claim his bone-headed play wasn’t his fault.
November 5th, 2019 at 9:37 am
Big Ben
Cam
B Hoyer
N Foles
M Moore
So many options that are not Winston that are better if not clearly better.
26 is old enough to know at this point with as many starts and reps as we’ve seen.
Winston is up and down and will be a long time valuable backup someplace else.
November 5th, 2019 at 9:54 am
Simple economics of supply and demand will show that, jameis can be a starter for the bucs for nowhere near $25 mil a year or a backup for the chargers and pats, maybe chicago takes a flyer on him to start, but the chicago press will kill jameis. Do not see any other place where he can be a starter next year so that puts him like 27 and below
November 5th, 2019 at 10:13 am
More objective folks rate him like 28th out of 32. Also he is moving down through the rankings, not up.
November 5th, 2019 at 10:18 am
As inconsistent as he is and as much that its gonne cost to keep him when we have little cap space, i think we move on. QB with that #3 or #4 pick. Burrow.
November 5th, 2019 at 10:22 am
The Bucs signed Licht to a contract extension….
They could easily resign Winston.
November 5th, 2019 at 10:23 am
Let him rank where he ranks…the team as a whole is under achieving and that makes him have to try more than he should to make a play! THAT IS ALL!
November 5th, 2019 at 10:23 am
oh well that is interesting… you mean 8x pro-bowler, 32 game winning drives (can you think of one Winston has had in any MEANINGFUL game? he had his chance against the 49rs what happened there i forget?) 27 comeback victory leading, 2013 comeback player of the year, 122-95 record 64.7% completion percentage (to Winston 61), 386 TD to 185 interceptions (how many interceptions does Winston have in LITERALLY A QUARTER OF THE TIME?? oh thats right 70!!!) , overall 95.5 QB rating (what is Winstons again?? oh that’s right its 87) 11 playoff game playing Phillip Rivers?… that guy? …that is the one you say Winston is better than? dont let your emotions do your thinking Joe you already do not understand the game very well!! dont let your emotions cloud your judgment
November 5th, 2019 at 10:26 am
Troy made the best point yesterday.
I’ll keep beating that drum too.
NO QB IN THE LEAGUE IS GOING TO HAVE MUCH SUCCESS WITH THIS D.
And that’s a fact.
November 5th, 2019 at 10:29 am
you didn’t list all the backups that are arguably playing better or at the same level as Jameis.
Minshew
Allen
Tannehill
November 5th, 2019 at 10:40 am
Obvious pinned by joejameisfan…
Delusional article written mostly from opinion..
I’ll believe NFL experts who are better at evaluating QBs and without rose color glasses…
A large portion of the Bucs can base would MUCH rather have any one of those QBs and a few that isn’t named over ‘Turnover’…
W is a part of the problem and not the solution with this team…
Whenever the Bucs get everything as it should be, their offense will need a strong, confident, leader that is accurate and worth plying hard for every done… W hasn’t, isn’t and never will be that guy…
November 5th, 2019 at 11:19 am
You are what your record says you are. He is a decent Fantasy Football QB because he is always trying to come back from his TO’s. NFL.com had him ranked at 27 last week. He may inch up to 23-24 with last weeks “good Jameis” performance. Bad Jameis is a coming.
November 5th, 2019 at 11:21 am
Foles is coming back in a week or two. Let’s look at trading Gardner Minshew for JW
November 5th, 2019 at 11:23 am
One more thing: which NFL QB on the list served a 4 game suspension for groping an Uber Driver? The lied about it to his coached, teammates, and ownership. Answer: Our JW
November 5th, 2019 at 11:29 am
HAHA Phillip Rivers inst as good as Winston? Joke of the day.
November 5th, 2019 at 11:30 am
“Joe you do know Phillip rivers is a hall of fame quarterback… jameis is not even close to a great quarterback… in my mind he’s average … so to say rivers is not better than jameis … you got to be smoking that rock”
Exactly and we should be going after rivers this offseason and drafting a QB in April.
November 5th, 2019 at 11:40 am
Hmmm
Jamies Winston, QBR 53.1, -3.6 points added
Ryan Fitzpatrick, QBR 56.7, 2 points added
.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/qbr
November 5th, 2019 at 11:46 am
Here’s where bloggers missing the point.
Jameis is playing bad against good defenses, CUZ HIS O-LINE IS LETTING HIM DOWN WITH THE OPPONENTS PASH RUSH!!!
Here’s a crazy idea…
Fix the offensive line trench!!
Get a decent RT and do something w Donovan Smith’s laziness!!! Either move him to the RT, and get an LT or trade him! He cannot block Jameis’s blind side against good pash rushers…
Jameis has tons of talent, but when he starts getting hit and sacked, he becomes fidgety and doesn’t go thru his reads. ANY QB WOULD BE THE SAME WAY!!!
Jameis has been sacked THIRTY times this year! Leads the NFL in getting sacked.
Let’s fix that and see what happens…
November 5th, 2019 at 12:00 pm
For the first time in a few years I feel our O and D are comparable.
Our D plays like JW….great sometimes and horrid others.
We are radically inconsistent on both sides of the ball.
However as D.R. pointed out our D is incredibly young and seem to be growing as the season progresses.
So here is the major question for me. Which has the greater chance of happening…the kids on defense learn and truly improve…or JW will actually being playing like a #1 pick.
Both have or had large upside IMO. Will either reach that upside?
November 5th, 2019 at 12:15 pm
IT”S EASY TO HAVE A FLAWED ANALYSIS FOR MANY WHEN IT COMES TO JAMEIS WINSTON.
Joe, please state your CRITERIA in how you determine who jameis is or isn’t better than please.
Anyone ‘debating’ the evaluation of Jameis Winston needs to carefully state a well-rounded analysis of his 4.5 year career…
-> PASSING YARDS – this is certainly an important criteria. Being able to complete passes is the name of the game for QBs. Winston certainly has (at least most of the time) racked up some large passing numbers. One of the main stats his supporters cite.
-> TOUCHDOWN PASSES – this is another critical stat as well. Winston has thrown a lot of TD passes already in his young career. Another solid stat his supporters will talk about.
-> COMPLETION PERCENTAGE – this obviously matters quite a bit. Winston has improved his year-to-year, but he’s still mediocre most of the time compared to other NFL starting QBs.
-> WINS – football is obviously a Team game, and a QB can’t be expected to do it all. The Bucs have a terrible secondary and other personnel weaknesses. But great QBs find a way to pull out some wins when the rest of the team is bad. This doesn’t mean it’s Jameis’ fault that we don’t have more wins, but the great QBs have many games when the team won solely because of what they did, not because of how the rest of the team played poorly. Jameis has very few of these performances over 4.5 years. The Rams game was a great example of this. He put the team on his back and led them to victory with his playing. Unfortunately, it hasn’t happened many times in his career.
-> PRODUCTION WINDOWS – when do the positive stats like passing yards, TDs, high completion %, etc. occur? Many have argued (and rightfully so) that Winston has padded his stats with late-game play when the game was already out of reach; many games where coaches would put in the backup to give him some experience. Winston is almost always left to play out every game, and in doing so racks up meaningless stats against soft defenses just waiting for the clock to run out to secure the victory already in hand. How often does Winston put the Bucs in the lead early in games?
-> NEGATIVE PLAYS – turnovers, deep sacks, fumbles, mistakes. It’s like a golfer that can make tons of birdies, but he as a double-bogey problem. Those double-bogeys affect his end score far more than the birdies. This is Jameis Winston in a nutshell. Leads the league in turnovers since he started his career. The worst possible statistic (and math involved) for an NFL QB.
-> DEFENSIVE LIABILITY – one of the most overlooked negatives about Winston’s career so far is how he contributes the Defense in a negative way so often. Fans underestimate the importance of REST & RECOVERY during a game. Defenses fly around the field. They get exhausted. They need time to rest to play their best. When Jameis turns the ball over as much as he does, it often puts the Defense right back on the field when they were just on it for awhile. Yes, the Bucs Defense sucks overall, but if anyone thinks they wouldn’t be playing better if they had longer rests on the bench doesn’t know how football and sports works.
-> FIELD POSITION – again, a massive negative against Winston. His turnovers give opponents short fields. When it comes to wins, there’s no greater stat in all of football that can consistently point to the winner of games than their average starting field position. This is another major data point overlooked by Winston supporters.
-> LEADERSHIP – does the QB inspire his teammates to perform at a higher level on average? Great QBs motivate their teammates and get them to play at a higher level because they believe so strongly in their QB. Many would argue that Winston is no longer a strong leader on the team and that his teammates don’t play at their best because of his poor leadership or their lost faith in him.
CONCLUSION:
When all of these factors are taken into account. Jameis Winston ranks towards the bottom of the list of current NFL starters. It’s a pretty simple argument to make that Winston should not be starting in the NFL at all. But the question remains… will the Bucs realize this or will they make the mistake of keeping him on the team (especially at a cap-busting value that’s no where near what he’s actually worth based on his play.)
November 5th, 2019 at 12:41 pm
BucsBandit
Nice eval
November 5th, 2019 at 12:45 pm
Bandit pretty much said it all…
November 5th, 2019 at 1:03 pm
As of today – NFL Stats Jameis Winston:
7th in passing yards (2,407)
4th in yards per game (300.9)
5th in TD’s (16)
3rd in 1st downs (124)
7th in completion % (59.3)
6th in yards per completion (7.8)
7th in Attempts (307)
14th in Completions (182)
1st in Sacks (30)
1st Tied in Interceptions (16)
14th in QBR – 250+ Attempts (85.2)
11th in Completions 20+ yards (30)
5th in Completions of 40+ yards (7)
Bucs D:
31st in Pts per game (31.5)
3rd in Total Points (252)
November 5th, 2019 at 1:13 pm
First, when evaluating JW, forget about where he was drafted. It doesn’t matter. Aaron Rodgers went in the first round and Tom Brady in the sixth. Who cares? All that matters is what they do on and off the field.
We know what JW is on the field. He has not shown any growth in his game from college to the pros. He was turnover prone in college and remains so. His is at times brilliant and at times horrible. To sum it up, he is terribly inconsistent. You don’t win in the NFL with inconsistency.
What the truly great quarterbacks have is the ability to make everyone around them better. Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady, and Drew Brees all make those around them better. JW doesn’t do that. Instead, he has arguably one of the best WRs duo in the league and still makes poor decisions. Have you ever wondered how bad JW would look if he DIDN’T have Mike Evans to throw to throughout his career? How many balls does s come down with that would otherwise be incomplete or intercepted? A lot.
Look what the Bucs did with Brad Johnson. Johnson was never great, but he was consistent. That’s what this team needs at quarterback–consistency. It will never have that with JW. How many holes has he put his team in over the past 4 1/2 years? How many point-off-turnovers have been scored because of his carelessness with the football?
In my opinion it’s time to move on from JW.
November 5th, 2019 at 1:14 pm
BA Redzone, really a Rookie QB will only score 3-10 points a game. Have you seen these rookies hit their guys in stride in College? Ever remember seeing Winston do that? With all of the weapons we got for our offense do you really believe that no other QB can play as well, or better than Winston? Why is that? Are you watching a different game because our QB has had back to back five dash eleven seasons, and looks to be on the same path this season.
November 5th, 2019 at 1:16 pm
MORE STATISTICAL PROOF THAT JAMEIS WINSTON IS A *WEAK* NFL QB:
The Jameis-Lovin-Joe that loves to post about how we have one of the top Scoring Offenses per game in the league fails to analyze other stats that prove the ‘Scoring’ stat is FOOL’S GOLD…
If one analyzes average DRIVE STATS throughout entire games, the picture becomes more clear that our Offense, and Jameis Winston, rank more like 20th in average Drive Production, and these rankings don’t even take into account the garbage time production often added on when the game is already out of reach; which would really make Winston’s Offense rank towards the bottom 5-7 in the NFL.
THE STATS DON’T LIE:
https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/drivestats/2019
November 5th, 2019 at 3:02 pm
Unless your quarterback is flirting with the top 10 year in and year out, I don’t see how you can pay them big money. Average at best quarterbacks (Jared Goff, Dereck Carr) are grossly overpaid. Let Jameis and his yoyo playing a$$ go be inconsistent elsewhere. This train wreck of a team needs every dime to improve the entire roster. Get a rookie quarterback on a cheap deal and build this team the right way. Oh, and for the love suffering Buc fans everywhere, fire Jason Licht!
November 5th, 2019 at 3:04 pm
BucsBandit…once again.
Some peeps have issues….you’ve got volumes.
November 5th, 2019 at 3:06 pm
Buczilla …any rookie QB is going to have a rough time with a secondary THIS bad.
November 5th, 2019 at 3:11 pm
Look I am tired of losing too. But can’t put this all on JW. Brett Favre averaged 15 interceptions a year over a 20 year career (336 total) and 30 interceptions in 24 playoff games. Problem isn’t the Offense – the problem is the Defense. Stop giving up 30+ points a game.
November 5th, 2019 at 4:21 pm
Jackpc1
If JW wouldn’t give them an average of 12 of those 30 points a game in turnovers we’d be better off
November 5th, 2019 at 4:51 pm
Garoppolo is way overrated.
November 5th, 2019 at 5:52 pm
Jameis is damaged goods,and any attempt to salvage him here in Tampa is just a futile exercise in wheel spinning
November 5th, 2019 at 7:58 pm
Buc1987,
Wrong. I have STATS and FACTS that prove Winston isn’t that great. Evidenced by the fact that you don’t try and dispute any of the data I’ve referenced because there’s no argument you make to dispute the facts.
I’ll stick with FACTS you stick with your FEELINGS.
November 5th, 2019 at 8:22 pm
FAMOUS THE MAN!!
November 5th, 2019 at 10:22 pm
HE WILL GET PAID … ALL THIS TALK IS SILLY … HE WILL GET PAID!!!!!
November 5th, 2019 at 11:54 pm
I’ll say it for u Joe. They’re all better than America’s turnover machine