“Be Judicious In Making This Move To My Next Quarterback”
November 19th, 2019
Expect to see this graphic, captured on NFL Network today, over and over and over until the Bucs make a public call on the future of Jameis Winston. FOX ran a nearly identical look early in Sunday’s game.
NFL Network is all over the looming Decision Jameis coming from Bucs officials, especially since Decision Marcus already has been made.
This is what happens when your team is 3-7, your head coach is 67 and not here for a rebuild, and the starting quarterback is one of the most inconsistent QBs in NFL history (highs and lows). Team Glazer could end this nightmare for Bucs fans with a decision, but don’t hold your breath.
NFL Network dove into Decision Jameis today and called upon 71-year-old former Texans and Redskins general manager Charley Casserly to offer his take.
Casserly raved about Jameis’ arm talent and mentioned that Jameis has a share of interceptions that aren’t his fault. But Casserly still said he’d be looking to move on.
“He’s been through a lot of good coaches and they really haven’t got over the hump [with Jameis’ decision-making],” Casserly said. “I would not just fire the guy and move on to something else. However, I would look seriously in the draft for another quarterback or if the right one’s there in free agency, that’s when I’d make the move. So I’d be judicious in making this move to my next quarterback.”
To paraphase Casserly, the Bucs should tread carefully because Jameis has enough talent to make management think twice, versus benching Jameis now and going all-in on the new-quarterback train.
November 19th, 2019 at 2:32 pm
The Bucs have been put in their place by their 3 big brothers… The NFCS!
The Falcons just played the Saints and Panthers and did not allow a TD in either game…
The Falcons will cement the Bucs in the basement for like the 9th time in 12 years.
another 5-11 season may be unattainable by this Bucs team and much of it is do to the turnovers…
They need to find a qb that is respectable and worthy of every player playing hard for!
November 19th, 2019 at 2:32 pm
I don’t get this argument. Okay he is talented but year 6 we know the massive number of turnovers will negate any talent he may or may not have.
November 19th, 2019 at 2:35 pm
You can have all the talent of the world, but if you turn the ball over so many times you will win not to many games…..Bucs history for the last 5 years.
Is that the only reason we´ve lost that much? the answer is NO!!!
Its a combination of several factors, but having thew wrong QB is one of the biggest!!!!
We have no running game, no secondary, mediocre OL at the very least, we are in cap hell and with a inconsistent QB….Incosisten means highs and lows!!!!!
Who should we point fingers?
Pretty easy right?
November 19th, 2019 at 2:39 pm
There is no way in hell those QB’s below Jameis should be throwing all those interceptions. Most of them have good defenses. A better than average run game, and a better than average offensive line. When over 80 pct of your offense is passes then you will get an above average interception rate. Especially with WR that are not the fastest, and they have smaller windows to throw the ball. But..I hope he leaves because this franchise sucks. Then they can move on the the next Ex QB.
November 19th, 2019 at 2:43 pm
98 Turnovers!
98 times the offense possessed the ball and gave it away!
That’s 98 opportunities to score points.
98 times to milk the clock to mitigate poor defense.
Yeah, a QB shouldn’t have to put up 30 pts a game to overcome a bad defense. But, a defense, a BAD defense, should not be expected to overcome 98 turnovers either.
Round and round we go!
It’s a complementary sport.
November 19th, 2019 at 2:45 pm
Two consecutive regimes who have no issue tossing out the run game. That mixed with Jameis’ risk taking result in record setting interceptions.
I like Jameis but it is beginning to dawn on me that if the Bucs are ever going to be a contender, we need to build a solid team before we count on ANY QBto save this franchise.
We can’t afford to pay these salaries to be a 5-11 team. We need to build the lines, add a veteran in the secondary, rebuild the oline, find pass rushers, and find a dynamic running back. We can’t do this paying 30 to the QB unless the guys name is Mahomes, Rodgers, Lamar, etc… and even then, we can’t win until this defense mans up.
November 19th, 2019 at 2:47 pm
Funny how no QB drafted recently is on the list other than Jameis
Manning and Bortle aren’t starters any more and there is a lot of chatter of the Chargers moving on from Rivers
November 19th, 2019 at 2:48 pm
@Joe
Can you ask Licht and the Glazers why we don’t have a effective O-line and a run game for 3+ years?
#WeNeedAnswers
November 19th, 2019 at 2:48 pm
talent baloney…lots of people are talented and f*ck it all up, like WinSTUNNED. Arm talent he has, head talent is a definite NO. Doesn’t have the diagnosis and quick decision talent AT ALL…PLEASE END THIS 5 YEAR NIGHTMARE!!!!
November 19th, 2019 at 2:53 pm
good point, Loyaltotheend!
November 19th, 2019 at 2:54 pm
Yea, let’s rush to a decision (publicly) be NFLN is pressuring us to do so. Actually, you know what Joe, that would be a very Bucs thing to do.
November 19th, 2019 at 2:59 pm
Move on we are all done except for a couple FSU fan boys. It’s never his fault any interception is blames on someone else. Players will start turning on everything and start calling him out and it will get even worse. 10 interceptions supposedly aren’t his fault. He has more not his fault interception 10 than all but 5 QBs have the whole season. He has 8 his fault interceptions that would still be the 7th most in the nfl. It’s not just the picks with me. It’s the 10 balls a game that aren’t even close when receivers are wide open by nfl standards. And he misses them by 5-7 yards. Drive killers. If we had a decent QBs who keep complete say 64% of his passes and only throw 8 interceptions all year. He would throw for 400 yards a game and we would be averaging 40 points a game
November 19th, 2019 at 3:02 pm
“The Bucs should tread carefully because Jameis has enough talent to make management think twice, versus benching Jameis now and going all-in on the new-quarterback train.”
This makes ZERO SENSE.
Keeping Winston around at all will delay the transition to move on to someone else. He’ll also eat up a large part of the cap.
If they keep Winston around, and that cap hit, it’s not going to ride the bench. So they wouldn’t dare ‘challenge’ Winston’s job with another QB in waiting. We’ve already seen that movie before. They coddle and protect Winston and his fragile ego. Keeping Winston at all would be a major distraction.
The ONLY reasonable move is to LET WINSTON GO and move on in a new direction.
November 19th, 2019 at 3:04 pm
Is the 98 turnovers including fumbles too?
November 19th, 2019 at 3:05 pm
lots of former QBs had talent….lol…
JW wont be the 1st #1 overall player to bust and he wont be the last….
time to move on….
JW is a BUST!!!
GO BUCS!!!!!
November 19th, 2019 at 3:08 pm
98 turnovers in 68 games! That’s almost 1.5 turnovers a game! That is losing football. The only reason he had so many more turnovers than everyone else is because the other teams would refuse to put a turnovers machine like that back on the field. They would have seen enough. I don’t care about potential, I want production. The only thing “American airlines baggage handler” Jameis Winston produces with any consistency is turnovers!
November 19th, 2019 at 3:12 pm
Let’s See 🤡❓1. A 67 Year Old Senile lMan Who Mumbles, 2. The Worst GM In Professional Sports History, And 3. A QB Who Had Major Red Flags While Playing At Florida State University = A 40 POINT AS##% WHUPING VS THE ATLANTA FALCONS SUNDAY AT THE ATL 🤡❗️Not even Ronnie “Night Train “ Lane And TJ Revies Of The Buccaneers Radio Network would be able to spin this 🤡❗️
November 19th, 2019 at 3:12 pm
Casserly is spot on. If we make a move, Make sure its a QB we truly want. Because QB’s like Jameis end up becoming great backups and winning a superbowl.
November 19th, 2019 at 3:17 pm
I’m going to cheer when Jameis hits his 100th turnover this Sunday against the falcons. Wooo hooooo you can do it Jameis!!!!!!!
November 19th, 2019 at 3:21 pm
I was called out for suggesting that the Bucs (if they plan on keeping Winston) should offer him a short-term contract (2 years) with little guaranteed money but very high incentive bonuses.
For example, a very high bonus if he takes the Bucs to the playoffs…..(that was labeled ridiculous by one poster because the Bucs are never even in contention for the playoffs.
Duhhh!!! That is exactly why it is a great incentive offer…..you either get to the playoffs….or you don’t pay.
November 19th, 2019 at 3:26 pm
He needs three more years..yea, thats it.
November 19th, 2019 at 3:44 pm
98 turnovers includes fumbles
6 more games means he’s looking at least 9 more turnovers
November 19th, 2019 at 3:48 pm
Tampabaybucfan,
Unfortunately, NFL contracts don’t work that way. There’s a limit to how much of a salary you can base on incentives; let alone what someone would accept. So keeping Winston at all would require AT LEAST a $20M/year base salary or his agents will test free agency.
His agents aren’t about to accept a salary heavily based on making the playoffs since our Defense is so bad. So there’s no way that’s going to work.
Either the Bucs are going to have to commit at least $20M-$25M (maybe more) to keep Winston for 2020, or they’ll need to let him go.
November 19th, 2019 at 3:50 pm
Easy to rip Jameis Winston and his NFL-high 18 INTs. But no QB has been sacked more or must overcome defense that allows more points. Also drop passes. Penalties. Since he was drafted.
November 19th, 2019 at 3:51 pm
Pay Winston $20 million a year and penalize him $1 million per interception. He will probably owe the Bucs at the end of the year.
November 19th, 2019 at 3:52 pm
@Alaskan … YOUR PRESCRIPTION FOR REBUILDING THE BUCS IS WELL WORTH REPEATING. WORTH REPEATING BECAUSE IT’S THE O-N-L-Y WAY TO DO IT.
“I like Jameis but it is beginning to dawn on me that if the Bucs are ever going to be a contender, we need to build a solid team before we count on ANY QB to save this franchise.
We can’t afford to pay these salaries to be a 5-11 team. We need to build the lines, add a veteran in the secondary, rebuild the oline, find pass rushers, and find a dynamic running back. We can’t do this paying 30 to the QB unless the guys name is Mahomes, Rodgers, Lamar, etc… and even then, we can’t win until this defense mans up.”
B-I-N-G-O !!!!!!!
November 19th, 2019 at 3:54 pm
Time to cut ties and move on.
Dak Prescott, Lamar Jackson, Patrick Mahomes, Deshaun Watson, Carson Wentz, Kyler Murray, Jacoby Brisett, Daniel Jones… all came out in the years after he did, and they have higher Total QBR.
He’s had enough time. 20th best quarterback doesn’t take you to the next level in a league of 32 teams..
November 19th, 2019 at 3:55 pm
I’m going to keep pounding the table for Mike Glennon to be the Tampa Bay Buccaneers starting quarterback for the 2020 season. Mike Glennon can be signed on the cheap while giving Glennon an opportunity to be the full-fledged starting QB for the team for the entire season.
Let’s dump Winstunned, replace Demar Dotson with either a free agent right tackle or a premium (rounds 1-3) draft pick, and if Mike Evans and/or OJ Howard demands a trade in the offseason grant their wish to stockpile for more draft picks to help fix the secondary and pass rush. Speaking of the draft, I hear LSU has a terrific stud safety in Grant Delpit who can help stabilize our secondary and make our pass defense acceptable.
Also prioritize keeping Shaq Barrett by using the franchise tag if necessary to negotiate a long term deal to keep him in Tampa Bay. Try to sign Byron Jones in free agency even if it means paying him top tier CB dollars.
#AllinforGlennon
November 19th, 2019 at 3:56 pm
Anybody really surprised by this? If you are concerned about winning and changing the culture, moving on from Jameis unfortunately is a must. We’re spinning our wheels and running out of excuses. 12 seasons and counting.
November 19th, 2019 at 4:00 pm
He’s only 17 away from testaverdes record, what a time to be alive…and a Bucs fan
November 19th, 2019 at 4:09 pm
If they keep Winston In We might actually see 30ints by the turnover terminator, hopefully this one won’t be back
November 19th, 2019 at 4:10 pm
1st 5 Yrs In The League
• Jameis Winston || 2015-2019
• Ryan Tannehill || 2012-2016
• Andy Dalton || 2011-2015
• Matthew Stafford || 2009-2013
• Joe Flacco || 2008-2012
• Jay Cutler || 2016
Quarterback W/L Record
1. Joe Flacco || 54-26-0
2. Andy Dalton || 50-26-1
3. Ryan Tannehill || 37-40-0
4. Jay Cutler || 34-34-0
5. Matthew Stafford || 24-37-0
6. Jameis Winston || 24-40-0
Sacked
• Ryan Tannehill || 213
• Joe Flacco || 174
• Jameis Winston || 158
• Andy Dalton || 140
• Jay Cutler || 138
• Matthew Stafford || 116
November 19th, 2019 at 4:10 pm
Touchdowns
1. Andy Dalton || 124
2. Matthew Stafford || 109
3. Jameis Winston || 107
4. Ryan Tannehill || 106
5. Jay Cutler || 104
6. Joe Flacco || 102
Interceptions
1. Jay Cutler || 79
2. Jameis Winston || 76
3. Andy Dalton || 73
4. Matthew Stafford || 73
5. Ryan Tannehill || 66
6. Joe Flacco || 56
Fumbles
1. Jay Cutler || 63
2. Joe Flacco || 61
3. Matthew Stafford || 49
4. Ryan Tannehill || 39
5. Andy Dalton || 34
6. Jameis Winston || 30
Total Turnovers
1. Jay Cutler || 142
2. Matthew Stafford || 122
3. Joe Flacco || 117
4. Andy Dalton || 107
5. Jameis Winston || 106
6. Ryan Tannehill || 105
November 19th, 2019 at 4:11 pm
Note: Jameis Winston has 6 games remaining
Joe Flacco: Had Hall of Famers At Every Level of Defense
DT Haloti Ngata
OLB Terrell Suggs
ILB Ray Lewis
S Ed Reed
November 19th, 2019 at 4:18 pm
It is funny because I see Bucs fans make fun of Andy Dalton left and right. He would be an instant upgrade over Winston and that is not close. What is really sad is Dalton isn’t even any good but if Dalton isn’t any good what is Winston?
If I am the bucs I trade for Dalton, per spotrac his contract is very cheap. I would then look to draft a young QB. I think this would fill the best of both worlds with a 67-year-old coach looking to win now and also groom for our future. It is not too long ago that Carson Palmer was a total wreck with the Raiders before BA got his hands on him. There is a chance he could improve Daltons play.
November 19th, 2019 at 4:20 pm
1. Jay Cutler
2. Joe Flacco
3. Matthew Stafford
4. Ryan Tannehill
5. Andy Dalton
Each one of the following Inconsistent,Turnover Prone Quarterbacks. Showed just enough to their prospective organizations to be resigned to very Lucrative contract extensions.
Will the Bucs make the same mistake w/Jameis Winston
November 19th, 2019 at 4:22 pm
BUH BYE, JAMEIS.
November 19th, 2019 at 4:27 pm
It’s time for this team to finally admit that they need to rebuild. If they don’t it will only be another 10 years of this losing crap. What’s the goal to become mediocre?
November 19th, 2019 at 4:29 pm
LUVMYBUCS
I also will add that Flacco’s worst seasons happened after he signed, at the time, the highest QB contract in the NFL pushing the team into the red with no cap space to resign a lot of those HOF’s. The same problem, as a franchise, is facing us with Winston’s contract when we are pressed against the cap already with a boatload of 1 year contracts to attend with if we do want to keep some of the talent we already have.
November 19th, 2019 at 4:31 pm
JL
Very True
November 19th, 2019 at 4:36 pm
@ Bucsbandit
Thanks….
My point is, if we want to keep Winston we should make him an offer that most other teams would not…..but a low offer nonetheless…..IMO, Jameis wants to start and he wants to stay….
He’s worth more to the Bucs than anywhere else
We should not offer guarantees too high…..we do that with many contracts and there is no reason Jameis should be different.
It should be as incentive laden as possible.
November 19th, 2019 at 4:37 pm
Even if you chalk up 20% of those turnovers as not his fault, he’s still in second with 78 turnovers.
November 19th, 2019 at 4:50 pm
Winston is terrible!!! Look at his targets they are studs, take them away Winston has 200 INT
November 19th, 2019 at 4:59 pm
Alaskan has hit on the rub here….which comes first the chicken or the egg? The good team or the good QB?
I’ve seen enough of JW’s horrible throws. He makes some great throws but if you look in the dictionary under inconsistent you’ll find a picture of JW.
People act as if this is all on the Defense…OL…Coaches….sure SOME of it but not all. JW throws an ugly…inaccurate ball. Strong arm..little hands…too many wobblies not enough spiral.
Too much money…let’s start trading some chips like OJ for another first round pick. Two first rounders could go a long way to fortifying our trenches.
Meanwhile can we find somebody to evaluate talent at QB and DB? Can you say Gardner Minshew.
Not saying he’s the next great thing but he has better numbers than JW…half dozen fewer TDs in one less game but he has 14…did you read that 14 fewer ints than JW.
Minshew was selected in the 6th round 178th overall. Minshew is not a physical specimen…just a tad over six feet and 220.
SIXTH round. Wilson 3rd round…there ARE players outside of the top ten picks..even at QB.
No go ahead and bust my chops and say but the Bucs can’t even find talent at the top…I won’t argue that point.
November 19th, 2019 at 4:59 pm
The question lies in the value of Winston….I believe he will start in the NFL for the right price. He’s an upgrade to Trubisky….I feel like he lands in Washington with a “history repeats itself” feel of Doug Williams. Maybe Miami as they rebuild. I think that’s going to be his role in the NFL….a second chance guy that fills in while teams try to find “their guy”. He’ll make money….probably continue to put up stats….but nobody is going far with him unless they completely neuter him like the Ravens did with Dilfer. Winston is literally Jay Cutler 2.0….lots of stats but that’s it. There’s more to QB then arm talent and folks need to quit kidding themselves. Evans and Godwin are doing more for Winston then Winston is doing for them. Evans WILL put up a 1,000 yds with any QB in the league….he’s that good. Give Winston Seattle’s WR corp and you’ll see him struggle….Give him Oaklands WRs….he struggles. He’s not elevating lesser talent….that is certain.
November 19th, 2019 at 5:06 pm
There literally have been hundreds of QB’s drafted into the NFL with lots of arm talent that were not good or successful.
It takes a lot more qualities than just a strong arm to be a successful NFL QB. Unfortunately Winston does not have those qualities.
November 19th, 2019 at 5:07 pm
Listen it’s not the turnovers that make us lose it was an is the Defense Jameis has this offense ranked top5 last 3 years in scoring with all those Turnovers
November 19th, 2019 at 5:29 pm
24-40
98 turnovers in less than 5 years.
With 6 more games to add to his total Jameis will be far and away the best at turning the ball over for a 5 year period.
November 19th, 2019 at 5:29 pm
^^^turnovers reflect on the defense …duh?
November 19th, 2019 at 5:34 pm
Imagine the FAN MUTINY if…
Any day now the Bucs announce they have extended Winston for a 100% guaranteed, 4-Year, $135 Million contract.
November 19th, 2019 at 5:42 pm
BucsBandit
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November 19th, 2019 at 5:45 pm
If we had a defense that could stop Jameis’ pick 6…we would have a chance? Sure, it all fall on the defense…NOT!
November 19th, 2019 at 6:00 pm
Career Combined Turnovers Per Game (H/L)
1. Jay Cutler (68 Games) Combined Turnovers: 142 || 2.08 per game
2. Matthew Stafford (61 Games) Combined Turnovers:122 || 2.00 per game
3. Jameis Winston (66 Games) Combined Turnovers: 106 || 1.60 per game
4. Joe Flacco (80 Games) Combined Turnovers: 117 || 1.46 per game
5. Andy Dalton (77 Games) Combined Turnovers: 107 || 1.38 per game
6. Ryan Tannehill (77 Games) Combined Turnovers: 105 || 1.36 per game
November 19th, 2019 at 6:10 pm
98 bottles of beer on the wall, 98 bottles oh Nevermind.
November 19th, 2019 at 6:37 pm
Jameis Winston (66 Games)
-Combined Turnovers: 106 || -1.60 per game
-Combined Touchdowns: 116 || +1.70 per game
Differential = +.10 <–Definition of Hustlin' Backwards
November 19th, 2019 at 6:46 pm
Let him go let’s just see which QB produces while getting beat to death, throwing 40+ times a game and needing to score 30 a game to win. Let’s do it, those guys are all over the league. They can be had anywhere, right guys?
November 19th, 2019 at 6:56 pm
I’d like to see the Bucs go after Alex Smith… redskins will release him and he will be cheap… he’s getting stronger now also… smith or dalton let’s go … a lot better than jameis under center
November 19th, 2019 at 7:05 pm
NDog,
By dumping Winston we immediately save $25M-$30M/year and can sign the two best free agent corners in the entire NFL and instantly improve our Defense.
There are many “average” QBs that could had for cheap (or drafted) that can protect the ball yet put up decent production throwing to Evans and Godwin.
All the more reason to say goodbye to overrated Jameis.
November 19th, 2019 at 7:06 pm
Final Season in Tampa Bay
Trent Dilfer
• Cmp%: 59.8
• Int%: 4.5
Vs.
Jameis Winston
• Cmp%: 59.6%
• Int%: 4.4
November 19th, 2019 at 7:14 pm
Really gonna watch the jags game cause one of those guys will be our qb next season. Should throw a lot at em for minshew, but jags will be smart, keep him ( a dude Bucs should of drafted) and let Foles walk. God willing, Winston will be a backup in Cincy by then.
November 19th, 2019 at 7:24 pm
Luv
You know what that means, lol……
Chargers, Pittsburgh or NE.
Considering billicheat loves him some TB castoffs and problem children from all over the league AND Toms back-up has 3 career attempts for 14 yards and 1 int there seems to be some opportunity there, what could Jameis do with the number 1 def in the league? Nickel and diming his way down the field.
Pittsburgh would probably be an ever better fit with Tomlin another guy who was NOT good enough for Tampa 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣. A solid def that’s young and only getting better and a run first philosophy. In a weak division with only one other competitive team.
Chargers on the other hand, Jameis teams up with James. Jameis kills it on the westcoast and he owns arrowhead stadium. Again with a run game and solid def, good coach, I like the possibilities.
November 19th, 2019 at 7:46 pm
LuvMyBucs,
Excellent data, sir! Thanks. The comparison to Dilfer is all you need to know.
November 19th, 2019 at 8:09 pm
Bandit the fact that you believe that shows you have not been a Bucs fan that long as no one has ever produced an offense this productive in the history of this franchise. So if you think anyone can do this you are sadly mistaken.
November 19th, 2019 at 8:14 pm
I for one am not overly concerned about Winston right now. At least not based on the Saints game. I actually find it comical how hard people are coming down on the QB mostly based on a stat line in that game.
You put a gunslinger like Winston in a game down 3 scores and yeah it’s got a potential to get ugly.
My big problem is getting down 3 scores in the first place. And the QB was not a large reason why we got down 3 scores. It was the team around him…..including to a large degree the gameplanning.
Hey when Winston is a big reason why we get way behind in games, like we seen many times before. I am the first guy to rail on him. But if the team ain’t come out to play and gets blown out & Winston throws a few picks trying to get us back into it I’m fine with it.
Every once in a while you might win one of them games with a QB like Winston. But for the most part(especially against top tier team) your losing……I’m not overly concerned about INTs when a QB is trying to pull a win out his ass. Unsure why y’all are so fixated on this one player but to each his own I guess
November 19th, 2019 at 8:17 pm
SteveK
U welcome bredren
November 19th, 2019 at 8:17 pm
LUVMYBUCS Says:
November 19th, 2019 at 7:06 pm
Final Season in Tampa Bay
Trent Dilfer
• Cmp%: 59.8
• Int%: 4.5
Vs.
Jameis Winston
• Cmp%: 59.6%
• Int%: 4.4
Yeah they are really comparable as one has thrown for 3,078 yards in 10 games and the other threw for 1,619 in the 10 games he played. One has thrown for 19 TDs in his 10 games while the other threw 11. One plays with the worst defense in the NFL and the other played with the best defense in NFL that year.
Again like with everything context matters but why let facts get in the way of your cluelessness.
November 19th, 2019 at 8:19 pm
I bet the only person who finds this whole debacle even funnier than I do is Greg Schiano. I hope that the Bucs re sign lame ass and continue to perptuate the poor play and losing. It’s almost as entertaining as the original Bucs but without Coach McCay’s wit. Lame ass is so bad I almost miss Freeman
November 19th, 2019 at 8:20 pm
Easy answer JimmyJack they have no idea about football. That’s why they just say the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again. They have no clue bro.
November 19th, 2019 at 8:21 pm
And by the way…….When the door was open for us to claw our way back into that game our best freaking player ProBowler Mike Evans dropped a very simple pass. Absolutely choked.
Then again Miller dropped a (could/should be) key first down.
And perhaps the most critical and most impactful blunder was OJ gagging up another ball and allowing the Saints to go ahead convincingly.
All them plays had much more negative impact and we’re much more meaningful then a last ditch INT before the half or desperation attempts in the fourth quarter when we were already getting blown out.
Focusing on the QB after a that game is weak.
November 19th, 2019 at 8:22 pm
If the Bengals don’t want Andy Dalton, why should the Bucs trade for him? In short, the Bucs are screwed at QB
November 19th, 2019 at 8:24 pm
No you have it wrong TSmitty3000. Any QB that plays here is screwed, as this is currently a no win situation.
November 19th, 2019 at 8:26 pm
I got a bigger problem with Jensen after that freaking game. The guy prooved he can’t be trusted to snap the ball.
Your C has to be the most trustworthy guy on the field. He does too much to help the QB. If your QB cannot trust his Center that’s a major issue to me and a red flag.
November 19th, 2019 at 8:32 pm
NDog Tampa is a no win situation because we keep firing coaching every 2 years……Yeah maybe some of em needed to go but Everytime they fire and rehire they gotta turn the roster and build it back up.
Not to mention new messanging and new approaches from a new staff. Now all the players gotta learn and adjust to new schemes and practice techniques from scratch.
And what do the fans want now? Blow it up. More of the same. It’s unbelievable.
November 19th, 2019 at 8:43 pm
Ndog
I stand by my assessment of the youngman’s talent before and after the draft.
Nothings change. So there’s not reason to speak to me with a forked tongue.
Those that know me on & off this board – will tell you I’m the same dude.
I don’t flex on this keyboard – then switch up in person.
But do you – if it makes you feel better.
November 19th, 2019 at 8:47 pm
Luv,
You’re an awesome fan and great commenter.
November 19th, 2019 at 8:49 pm
I just provided facts and pointed out that you left them out to fit a narrative. Am I wrong, were you not trying to prove a point and left out data you knew existed? The place you pulled that info surely had those facts as well, why didn’t you provide those? So you are trying to trick people by lying to them. I tell the truth and provide facts without trying to trick people do you? I think we know the answer but you act above.
November 19th, 2019 at 8:50 pm
SteveK
Thank you. You are as well bredren
November 19th, 2019 at 8:54 pm
Jameis Winston has had 5 years now to show that he can become a top tier NFL QB.
Jason Licht has had 5 years to try to build a winning team around Winston.
Neither of those things has happened.
I have no confidence that Winston will suddenly become a top level QB…or that Licht will suddenly become a better evaluator of talent.
Time to move on….from both!
November 19th, 2019 at 8:56 pm
Ndog,
Could you imagine if Jameis played in Dilfer’s era of football when the QB routinely got clobbered?
Jameis throws for a ton of yards and puts up points. He also puts up a lot of turnovers, too many to overcome as proven by our back to back 5-11 seasons.
Luv had a great post about Jameis accounting rough 1.6 TDs a game, and 1.5 turnovers. That makes a .1 TD/Turnover ratio.
We can’t win like that. Not in today’s era, where it’s so pass friendly and the QB is protected. I will concede the pass defense stinks, but you must realize that the turnovers are a major contributor to our never ending cycle of suck.
November 19th, 2019 at 9:01 pm
If you noticed I didn’t add the yards to the comparison analysis of the other Qb’s either.
Completion & Int % percentage numbers are what they are. It’s really that simple.
A passing percentage of 59% percent with an Interception % of 4.4 is pathetic by most standards. Especially is this new era of football. Given the rule changes have literally open an Autobahn down the middle of the field. But hey… he’s great! Right?
November 19th, 2019 at 9:05 pm
Um do you watch our games at all. Jameis has been sacked 10 more times in his 10 games than Dilfer did in his 10. Plus Jameis does not get the protection most QBs do he gets beat to a pulp each week but I guess to you that doesn’t happen either. And again with the TO #s when you play on a team that makes a ton of mistakes every week I love how you put all those TOs on the QB. YOU ARE RIDICULOUS plus we will just ignore what the head coach says o guess right?
November 19th, 2019 at 9:08 pm
Dilfer was garbage in Tampa – and despite the play of arguable the best defense of all-time; he was garbage in Baltimore. But hey he won a ring though. So good for him.
November 19th, 2019 at 9:10 pm
Not quite as that completely ignores what is being asked of each player. That is why you have to understand football for the stats to matter.
November 19th, 2019 at 9:12 pm
Half those sacks come from holding onto the ball wayyy to damn long – so what’s your point?
Steady Long…. Steady Wrong
November 19th, 2019 at 9:14 pm
Luv,
Very well said regarding the INT% and completion %. And the pint about the middle of the field being a free for all with the new safety rules and the rules made for today’s game.
November 19th, 2019 at 9:14 pm
Exactly, Luv, Jameis has one of the longest times on the league for which he holds the ball. That equates to sacks.
November 19th, 2019 at 9:15 pm
So Bruce ain’t complaining that he’s holding onto the ball to long?
Wait didn’t Koetter have the same complaint?
Wait didn’t even Jimbo have the same damn complaint? Are you starting to see the pattern now
November 19th, 2019 at 9:16 pm
I don’t really care for the Dilfer comparison too much. He and Winston run offenses that are totally different.
Don’t know but I would doubt Dilfer was asked to drop backs 50+ times…..maybe ever.
The difference between the players they got catching the football isn’t much fair either. If Dilfer had to drop back and work the deep parts of the field like Winston I would guess his comp% might be closer to 40.
Neither really had much pass protection though.
November 19th, 2019 at 9:17 pm
SteveK
Respect Bredren
November 19th, 2019 at 9:19 pm
Holding the ball to let the long down field routes open up cause that is the style of offense. Again it is what is being asked of the QB in this offense. It brings me back to actually understanding the game. Our second and fifth leading pass catcher in 1999, Dilfers last year, was our running back and full back. Just a tab bit different than us this year ya think. CONTEXT
November 19th, 2019 at 9:20 pm
JJ
Jameis would probably sport that same 40% with the old WR/DB contact rules.
November 19th, 2019 at 9:21 pm
Keeping Winston is folly even if the next QB has to deal with everything Jameis has or hasn’t had. Jameis looks like he is exhausted and knows he has failed. He no longer has his old swagger and seems spent.
At some point you can’t just keep doing the same thing simply because “No QB could succeed here.” And frankly that’s just guessing.
We can’t be afraid of change. Or starting over because our last start over isn’t working.
98 turnovers…awful.
November 19th, 2019 at 9:22 pm
I’m done, you guys will never get it. I’m simply wasting my time trying to teach you the game, I would have better luck teaching 3rd graders.
November 19th, 2019 at 9:22 pm
Ndog
The rules are slanted toward the pass and the reason why Jameis and 75%+ of all starting QB’s today are putting up career passing yards compared to the rules Dilfer played with.
You’re not comparing apples to apples with the rules
November 19th, 2019 at 9:23 pm
Pro QBs I would compare more closely to Winston would be Big Been, Bret Favre…….and close your eyes…….Kirk Cousins.
Joe also had a earlier article about Phillip Rivers that I think is a good comparison.
Though it is cool to see the Dilfer comparison since most of us closely followed his career so I get why you did that. Thanks for sharing LUV.
November 19th, 2019 at 9:24 pm
Lol, I’ve been watching the same offense since the late 70’s.
Pre-Snap read – the good Quarterbacks that have played in this system.
Get the ball out of their hands quickly; to their playmakers. The average ones don’t.
November 19th, 2019 at 9:25 pm
JJ
Respect Bredren
November 19th, 2019 at 9:26 pm
Scoring on average is up since the last CBA agreement
November 19th, 2019 at 9:27 pm
Yep a snap off the QBs face is his fault, a behind the back catch interception is the QBs fault, a strip sack in less than a second is the QBs fault, a ball right in the TEs hands batted up for a pick is the QBs fault, a running back running a route to deep is the QBs fault, a WR not coming back on a stop route is the QBs fault, a WR breaking off a route while the ball is being thrown is the QBs fault. Yep you got it a new QB is going to make all those mistakes by other players magically get better. How is this not crystal clear?
November 19th, 2019 at 9:27 pm
There’s only one man who can come out of retirement and save this team:
Josh Freeman
November 19th, 2019 at 9:30 pm
I cannot wait till he’s gone maybe then you will get it but then again you will probably all disappear or just change your poster name.
November 19th, 2019 at 9:30 pm
**Study Long…Steady Wrong
November 19th, 2019 at 9:34 pm
Been here — damn near since the beginning.
Same screen for 20+ years now. Ole Pewter Report Forum, Buccaneers.com Blog, TBO etc.
November 19th, 2019 at 9:35 pm
Ndog,
Do you think it’s ironic that all the fans on here “don’t get it”, when it could be that you are the only one who doesn’t get it?
Wake up and smell the turnovers!
November 19th, 2019 at 9:36 pm
NDog that’s because nobody needs teaching.
Apparently you are unaware but there’s a lot to see in a football game. None of us see it or know it all. Acting like it’s so simple and you got it all figured out is basically just you being a phony. I am also certain that you don’t impress anyone with your little opinions over there.
We all gonna see the game different and that why professional analysists set around arguing on TV all the time……You could stand to learn a thing or two to actually listen to others opinions rather then stay inside your own narrow mind.
November 19th, 2019 at 9:41 pm
JBF Archives
https://www.joebucsfan.com/2010/05/the-delimma-of-2011/
The rebuild continues I guess
November 19th, 2019 at 9:45 pm
JimmyJack you don’t get it they are not giving an opinion they are saying TOs TOs TOs TOs with no context. Without context their “opinions” are worth the paper you wipe your a$$ with.
November 19th, 2019 at 9:52 pm
None of the QBs in the draft are anywhere near as talented as Jameis … none of the prospective free agents (other than maybe Cam, if he’s fully healthy) is anywhere near as talented as Jameis.
Translation: Jameis will get $$$ PAID $$$$ either in Tampa or in free agency by another team.
November 19th, 2019 at 9:57 pm
Ok dude you want context go watch the Bucs report pregame show. Or go a website that writes ten page articles with Gameday clips.
We are on a blog leaving replys. Yeah there’s some of us posters that like to make it into a conversation and write long posts but most of the commenters probably just come here to read and like to leave a quick reply and throw in their two cents.
Context aren’t a requirement dude except for you. If they took the time to come hear and read the articles and all the comments and want to leave a reply I’m willing to bet they closely follow the team and know what they are talking about.
You just mad cause you disagree. That’s all there is too it.
November 19th, 2019 at 10:02 pm
And your whole little rant about teaching all of us the game came right after you got done arguing with LUV…….And now your talking about context?……..LUV is one of the most detailed posters on this site that never fails to provide a ton of context in his posts.
Call me crazy but it sure seems like you backed yourself into a corner on this one.
November 19th, 2019 at 10:05 pm
JulyJoe,
Whose paying Jameis big money next year?
November 19th, 2019 at 10:06 pm
Accept for the fact that he left out yards, TDs, # of sacks, and the defense each played with. Yeah really detailed there bud.
Again context matters maybe your just as lost about football as he is if you think he provided detail.
November 19th, 2019 at 10:08 pm
SteveK…..What did Glennon make whenever he went to Chicago?
I betcha Jamie’s could at least get the same payday and opportunity. Probably a bit more too based on his experience.
November 19th, 2019 at 10:09 pm
SteveK that would probably be the XFL … Jameis Winston will be the greatest XFL quarterback to ever play in their league! Until he gets outplayed by and loses to Landry Jones …
November 19th, 2019 at 10:09 pm
Ndog,
The pint is that Jameis and dilfer have almost identical completion and INT%. Sure their other stats are far apart, but that is interesting.
I don’t know how we can overcome the turnovers. 1.6TD-1.5TO ratio of .1 TD/Turnovers. That keeps you in the nfc s basement.
November 19th, 2019 at 10:10 pm
We are a 3 to 5 win team with him or without him….. why pay $30 mill a year for 5 wins. Time to blow the whole thing up.
November 19th, 2019 at 10:10 pm
Jimmyjack,
I immediately thought Glennon and a Chicago too lol
Bluefoot,
Lmao! Good one and that would be entertaining.
November 19th, 2019 at 10:12 pm
1st pick on Howard. Meh
2nd pick end of half. Maybe the kicker makes a long FG. Maybe not. He missed a long FG end of half in Seattle. Takes a shot to get closer. Meh.
3rd pick returned down sideline. Not a Good pass.
4th pick. Game Over before ball even thrown. Meh.
Like match play in golf doesn’t matter how many strokes you lose a hole by.
November 19th, 2019 at 10:18 pm
@LUVMYBUCS:
Absolutely LUV your posts and always look forward to reading more.
Thanks for your input!
I asked this the other night, and wonder if you have a potential QB pick for the Bucs
tickrdr
November 19th, 2019 at 10:22 pm
Ok Ndog…….This conversation is stupid.
Scroll up to the first post LUV had at 4:10. He broke down career numbers of 6 separate QBs. He compiled a list of stats that would probably take my dumbass hours to do. Broke down all of the main numbers of QB efficiency and even gave us pure numbers and averages.
He brought something unique to the table and provided a sheer ton of data for our own discussion. And he even threw in a few Dilfer comparisons.
Are you are freaking complaining? You’re a pig bro.
November 19th, 2019 at 10:26 pm
Ndog,
I’ve been a huge Bucs fan since they started in 1976. I’ve been to too many games at the Big Sombrero as well as Ray Jay to count. I’ve been at some of the most historic games in Bucs history. I was also in attendance in 2003 in San Diego when we won the Super Bowl, and shed tears of joy when we won the Lombardi.
I know this team and history very well.
Yes, during the past 5 years the Bucs Offense has put up points and yardage that dwarf the previous eras in Tampa Bay history. But I also understand it’s a PASSING LEAGUE now and overall there is more passing and more scoring. Previous eras in the NFL were more balanced or even more run-heavy oriented for some schemes. Times have changed.
It is also now PROVEN that Jameis WInston isn’t some sort of offensive production anomaly with this team. Ryan Fitzpatrick, with many of the same weapons and players, put up BIG yardage and TD numbers also. Some of the biggest of his career.
For God’s Sake man… Ryan FItzpatrick threw for over *400* YARDS for 3 games in a row last year! Then weeks later agains the Redskins he threw for over *400* YARDS again!
AND… Fitzpatrick had THREE… yes, THREE games (out of only 8 he played in) where he threw for *4* TD PASSES last year! Incredible. During those 3 games, he 12 TDs and only 3 INTs.
SO PLEASE, NDOG, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE…
Tell us all again how Jameis Winston is the ONLY QB that is capable of putting up big numbers today in the current Bucs Offense! GO AHEAD TELL US!
C’mon, man… that’s ABSURD to think that no other QB could put up big numbers, especially since Fitzpatrick ACTUALLY DID IT… MULTIPLE TIMES… with the SAME OFFENSE. I actually think the Offense is better NOW with D-Jax gone (he was inconsistent) and Godwin starting full-time at the #2 position.
November 19th, 2019 at 10:28 pm
And I serious doubt LUV cares if you have any debate about none of the stuff that he brought to the table. That’s probably kinda the point.
But the dude goes through all that and gives us something to genuinely think/talk about and all you gotta say is a complaint and namecalling.
How bout you provide us with your own list that’s at least half as extensive as the one you complain about or how bout you STFU.
November 19th, 2019 at 10:43 pm
@Blue -footed booby:
As a charter member of the Mike Glennon mob, I think he would be an ideal choice for the “bridge/transition” QB for the Bucs, providing they draft a new QB in the first round next year. I believe his salary for this year was only ~ 2 million/yr. Look at the overall success rate of all the QBs drafted after JW3, and as I’ve posted many times before, how many of those teams would trade their young QB for Winston? Perhaps Trubisky from the Bears? But not Mahomes, Wentz, Goff, Watson, Darnold, Allen, Jackson, Prescott, Jones, Murray, and perhaps a few others.
tickrdr
November 19th, 2019 at 11:32 pm
@bucs Bambi.
Bring back Kenyatta walker and cosey Coleman. Also while you are at it bring back Simeon rice and ronde.
I want Jameis to stay for another couple years. And you should go cheer for the dolphins since Fitzpatrick is mvp.
November 19th, 2019 at 11:36 pm
You don’t know this team. You don’t even know football. You say “ 5 years the Bucs Offense has put up points and yardage that dwarf the previous eras in Tampa Bay history.”
So who’s been at qb? Who’s ran #1 offense passing and top #10 several yrs ?
Fitzpatrick ?? Jameis ! With no defense. No rb no oline.
November 19th, 2019 at 11:47 pm
Adrnagy,
Winston AND Fitzpatrick have both put up huge numbers with this Offense. Are you disputing that?
Are you disputing the FACTS that Fitzpatrick had 4 games with over 400 YARDS passing and had 3 games with 4 TD passes?
Fitz had no running game and the SAME O-LINE that Winston has now.
Stop making excuses! You and Ndog act like Jameis is the only QB capable of putting up big pass yards and scoring with this team. Ryan Fitzpatrick, an inconsistent journeyman QB proved you wrong.
We don’t need Jameis to keep putting up big production with this Offense. Many QBs would be more than capable. AND… if those QBs have fewer turnovers than Jameis, and a lower salary, it’s a WIN-WIN all the way around for this franchise.
BUH BYE, JAMEIS.
November 20th, 2019 at 12:04 am
The bottomline is most of Winston’s haters aren’t because of his latest turnovers but his race and and silly background check where we all at some point have been guilty in our lives so lets not pretend and put the stats on the sideline. Typical racist Floridans!
Nothing wrong with questioning or criticism of true fans but ITS ALREADY PROVEN HIS PLAYING STYLE IS GUNSLINGER!
November 20th, 2019 at 12:04 am
…..if you think it can’t get worse, imagine the team without JPP and Suh next year.
November 20th, 2019 at 12:22 am
Fitzpatrick did put up those number. But fact is. We have never had this type of offense. And yet Jameis gets credit only on negative. Brett favre the most int. Peyton in his first 5 yrs 112 int and they turn out pretty good. Dres Brees 3 or 4 most int all time. Heck Brees first 5yrs are like Jameis and what did the chargers do let him walk and he turn out pretty good most passing yard. Jameis is young with and bad team and I don’t see coaching being great.
November 20th, 2019 at 12:28 am
Do you think Belichick will allow our cb to play like this ? Bruce allows it. Koetter allow the def smith to screw himself everygame.
I would hire Jimbo to coach the Bucs. At least he will play Jameis to his strength. Look what mcvay do you Goff. Do you see Leftwich working to the strengths of his offense?
November 20th, 2019 at 12:31 am
We have rb that can’t catch. Can’t block. So why do we have them ? Just cuz they can run ??
We have cb , safeties missing tackles and assignments and yet we keep them , why … bcuz we invested a draft pick heck we suck and drafting so the problem is bigger than Jameis.
November 20th, 2019 at 6:38 am
Can’t do another year of the turnovers and another lost season. We need to try something new.
November 20th, 2019 at 6:45 am
I’m surprised nobody mentioned “he’s only 25 years old”!!!
Jameis Winston may not be THEE problem, but he is most certainly A problem. There is no denying this as a factual statement.
November 20th, 2019 at 8:56 am
For the People defending Winston because he is one of the most sacked QBs in the league there is a glaring reason for that. Winston has one of the slowest in the league with going through his progressions, his release reminds me of slugwich which is now our offensive coordinator lol. Not to mention how he stares down his receivers hahaha any decent nfl defensive back probably can’t sleep the night before playing Jameis because they are so excited that they will be gifted a pick 6 from jolly ol Saint Jameis. Lmao. If the pocket collapses Jameis needs to use his legs and not stand on the pocket of nothing is there. Instead he holds onto the ball and gets sacked, hurried and hit.
November 20th, 2019 at 9:18 am
Huge number for sure. But what I notice about that list is Melvin Gordon, Todd Gurley, Saquon Barkley, and Dalvin Cook. He’s better than half the QB’s in the league. If our butt cheeks of a GM could help him with a running game and at least an average secondary he wouldn’t have to throw 40-50 times a game. Pretty simple.
November 20th, 2019 at 12:14 pm
tickrdr
Thank you Sir.
I’ve always enjoyed your post as well
Concerning Potential QB Prospects in the 2020 Draft.
If We Could Somehow Combining Jacob Eason’s Phenomenal Deep Ball w/ Jake Fromm’s Mid to Intermediate accuracy we have a very solid QB prospect.
But since we can’t.
I would look to Free Agency this year.
An Build up the trenches in the draft.
November 20th, 2019 at 12:14 pm
Bucsfanman
What’s good bredren? Home all is well
November 20th, 2019 at 1:11 pm
LUV- What’s up my friend?! All is good.
Good to see you droppin’ knowledge as always!!!
November 20th, 2019 at 1:24 pm
Everything good bredren. Respect!
You catch anything good lately?
November 20th, 2019 at 2:15 pm
Went Sheepshead fishing a couple of weeks back and caught my limit of 5. Hooked into a Black Drum that nearly yanked me off of my kayak!
Gonna try and do some more damage this weekend, weather permitting.
How about you?
November 20th, 2019 at 6:06 pm
I would be ok w/ this move if the defense was good enough to win games but they’re not so why would we put a rookie in this situation when it isn’t gonna lead to wins
So the QB doesn’t turn the ball over, well the QB also doesn’t score enough win either lol…so I hope everybody would celebrate all the low interceptions while they’re losing games still