Judging Jameis
November 12th, 2019
Some may view quarterbacks through the lens of team wins. Others may view through a prism of picks.
But Bucs coach Bucco Bruce Arians looks at the success of quarterbacks in a different way. What can you do in crunch time?
And using that at a measuring stick, Arians says America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston as one of the best signal-callers in the NFL.
Sunday Arians spoke with Peter King of NBC Sports and essentially told him if Jameis continues to put points on the board when the clock is running down, he just may get that coveted long-term contract from Team Glazer.
Yesterday in his day after presser, Arians expanded on those comments.
“To me, that’s how you judge NFL quarterbacks,” Arians said of crunch time. “Can they play in that situation? Forget the rest. Right now Jameis, I don’t know if there is anybody playing better in the two-minute [offense] in the last three or four weeks.”
Well, four weeks ago the Bucs enjoyed a bye week. So Joe looked at the Bucs’ final drive of each half of the last three games. Essentially, Jameis was 5 of 6 in putting the Bucs in position to score or did score with the lone blemish being a pick to effectively end the Tennessee Ready II game.
Let’s take a look:
At Tennessee
First half
Mike Evans’ nine-yard touchdown catch capped an eight-play, 75-yard drive with 21 seconds left.
Second half
Jameis is picked with 0:26 left.
At Seattle
First half
Starting at the Tampa Bay-40 with 29 seconds left, Jameis, on three plays, got the Bucs to the Seattle-32 where Matt Gay missed a field goal.
Second half
Jameis marched the Bucs on a 10-play, 75-yard drive that ended with a Dare Ogunbowale one-yard run to tie the game.
And of course, Jameis put together touchdown drives on the Bucs’ final possessions of each half on Sunday in the win over Arizona.
Arians remarks don’t factor in the loss to the Giants, where Jameis directed the Bucs down the field to the red zone until Arians went full-blown turtle and Matt Gay missed an easy game-winning kick.
These late-half, late-game heroics are nothing new for Jameis. He did this often as a younger quarterback. Hell, he won a college national championship against the SEC champion with a last-minute touchdown drive.
Joe fully agrees with Arians. Isn’t that what you want in a quarterback? To be able to put a team on his back and put them in position to win when it matters the most?
Joe guesses there’s a lot of folks out there who prefer handoffs when the team needs to go 75 yards to stay alive. Those same quarterbacks give a team about as much of a chance to win as Joe has bringing Rachel Watson home from her husband’s birthday party.
November 12th, 2019 at 4:13 am
Progress over playoffs!
We have been the joke of the NFL for 10 years!
Screw the draft, I want to see development!
It takes time to fix our culture.
But Licht repeated the same mistake as Dominick.
Licht focused on the secondary instead of the trenches.
John Lynch built his team the right way!
Badasses up front!
November 12th, 2019 at 4:44 am
To be able to put a team on his back and put them in position to win when it matters the most?
That is absolutely true- Jameis’ talent is undeniable.
The problem is, too many times he puts his team in a position to lose early in games by committing turnovers that put the team in a hole early on and changes momentum and puts pressure on rest of teammates. It is the one flaw in his game that is keeping him from being a winner.
November 12th, 2019 at 5:58 am
Joe, why do you continue to give him a pass? Have you seen the amount of turnovers he has had? It is inexcusable he’s been in the league for five years and he doesn’t even have a two in one touchdown to interception ratio and always fumbles. I’m not being negative I’m being real, I think people are delusional they continue to ignore the facts. And the facts are he is a turnover machine and will continue to handicap the team as long as he plays for them.
November 12th, 2019 at 6:06 am
WIth some of the best receiving weapons in the league, and a very QB friendly coach, Winston still struggles in several key areas. He leads the league in INT’s and total turnovers. He is completing less than 60% of his passes….doesn’t even register in NFL.com’s top 50 QB’s in completion %. And his overall QB rating also puts him at the bottom tier of NFL signal callers. Is this what you expect from a 5th year QB who was a #1 overall draft pick? Is his body of work worth a long term (6 or more years), $25-$30 million a year contract? In my opinion, no.
November 12th, 2019 at 6:43 am
“He looks fantastic “
That is why he is non committal on his future
I thought you weren’t believing what is coming from arians mouth in regards to one player. Cause he will rip into everyone else
Or is this just the “creepy one”? Obsessed joe
November 12th, 2019 at 6:46 am
Let’s leave out he can’t throw the long ball. If he could the Bucs wouldn’t be in this position. Let alone his turnovers.
November 12th, 2019 at 6:56 am
Anglican Says:
November 12th, 2019 at 6:46 am
Let’s leave out he can’t throw the long ball. If he could the Bucs wouldn’t be in this position. Let alone his turnovers
No our record has nothing to do with the worst passing defense in the league and no running game and zero depth on our oline. For the record yesterday was the first game pretty much all year he didn’t hit a deep ball but you know too play here you have to be, you know, perfect every week.
November 12th, 2019 at 7:13 am
Wasn’t the same argument made for josh freeman? Deja vu all over again
November 12th, 2019 at 7:17 am
Several things are true here:
Yes, Winston does have the talent to make great drives to put the Bucs in a position to win.
Yes, Winston does commit too many turnovers early in games to put the Bucs in a hole.
Yes, we have an awful defense that loses us games early & late and keeps us from winning.
On whether or not to keep Winston….It depends on the money….
November 12th, 2019 at 7:24 am
He’s given the ball away 95 times!!! And you think we can win with this guy? No chance. Just imagine him in the playoffs. Does anyone trust him? You can’t say yes with a straight face.
November 12th, 2019 at 7:40 am
Our QB is on pace for 4900+ yards and 30 TDs and we can’t wait to run him out of town. The TOs are a BIG problem, but production like that is not easily replaced. Choose a QB high in the draft? I give you Mitch Trubisky as exhibit 1. Free agent pickup? None will have JWs record of production.
The grass is not always greener.
November 12th, 2019 at 7:49 am
Uh oh, I feel that the haters will be triggered out of their minds with this article Joe! They want another Glennon! No TDs, but hey, not turnovers either.
November 12th, 2019 at 8:00 am
The guy is Jay Cutler. It’s funny to see his fan prop him up on certain stats and his hater to call him a bust. He is Cutler and if you stick with him, what you have seen is what you will continue to get. Of course, with a great roster ( like with most qbs), he can make a run
November 12th, 2019 at 8:07 am
the definition of insanity is to keep doing the same thing and expect differant results……. forest gump says dont change a thing…….
November 12th, 2019 at 8:10 am
If Jaymiss Winsnot is so good , then we should be able to trade him in the offseason ….. or someone else will pay him 30 million dollars….. Hello !!
November 12th, 2019 at 8:20 am
Naw bruh I’m not taking the last 3 weeks over the last 5 years of inconsistent play … this dude has got to go
November 12th, 2019 at 8:46 am
I agree with the JayMiss / Jay Cutler analogy: JayMiss is just good enough to get you beat.
Turnovers have consequences; usually defeat.
Move on.JayMiss
Peace, out
November 12th, 2019 at 8:53 am
There is absolutely nothing to what the head coach says. He doesn’t know about quarterbacks in the NFL. I know better because I play madden and watched “Jimmy G” last night. I want Burrow (or anyone else) cause they are better than JAYMIS (or whatever 4th grade level nickname I can make up that makes me seem cute, I choose to call him). Hilarious. Go Bucs!
November 12th, 2019 at 9:10 am
he’s blowing so much smoke up JW’s arse………..trying to help I get it. he latched his wagon to this horse and he’ll go down with it…..or at least it looks that way.
November 12th, 2019 at 9:24 am
The bottom line is you will never win a Super Bowl with him. That’s the ultimate goal isn’t it?
November 12th, 2019 at 9:47 am
Lets get rid of the 3rd leading leading passer in yards and the qb who is leading the offense to the 3rd most points in the lead to find someone who could be #1 in the league in these catagories because obviously thats the problem with this team. He is not #1 in yards and points. He is the problem and not the last ranked defense for past 5 years.
November 12th, 2019 at 9:49 am
pure fluff
November 12th, 2019 at 10:02 am
Joe
You hit the nail on the head in one of your recent posts.
Winston’s good enough to start, just not good enough to take you anywhere
November 12th, 2019 at 10:21 am
Eh this is an overrated trait imo… I’d rather just be consistent, get an early lead and not have to rely on last minute heroics. So he’s good at overcoming his own mistakes?? Just another sign of inconsistency. The better qbs play well for 60 minutes and they only need to pull heroics against oher playoff calibre team.. Winston throws 3 or 4 picks against those teams and we don’t even compete. . No instead we barely hang in there against crappy teams like the cards and an injured newton ked panthers earloer and he’s able to come through in end against teams where we should have handled easily… its too little too late with jameis.. if you’re always waiting to win it right ay the end then too much can go wrong. .. even if you wanna blame it on a bad route. Can you really win 10 games in a season by relying on late gane heroics every week?
November 12th, 2019 at 10:25 am
NDOG and others that keep saying we don’t have a running game? We are basically middle of the pack with the Saints and Packers, ahead of Pats, Steelers, Chiefs, and Rams. Please drop that false narrative.
November 12th, 2019 at 10:44 am
Winston is the sparkle in Arians and Lichts eye. Who cares what the fans think?
November 12th, 2019 at 10:53 am
Question for Joe. Is there anyway the Bucs could sign James for 1 year at whatever the rate is for a QB like Jameis is due, draft a good QB and in this way they don’t get stuck long term with Jameis and also they will have someone who can sit back and watch the game a bit then take over for Jameis if he faulters. Or do this make any sense at all and if so would Jameis camp even go for something like this
November 12th, 2019 at 10:54 am
Jameis plays too risky for a team full of problems and holes. He has the talent to go off or make clutch plays. But also the talent to throw away games. I still think he is the best qb we ever had. But we can do better or he should get better. He does deserve one more year simply for the level of upside he possesses.
November 12th, 2019 at 11:00 am
Still dunno why Brad J never gets any respect. Even if he only played at that level a couple years here I’d take that Brad J over Winston or any other qb we had any day. I drool just thinking of him woth these weapons
November 12th, 2019 at 12:19 pm
JEM(aka the Jay-Miss Excuse Machine) will never admit that this guy will never bring a championship to Tampa. They have an excuse for every bad play the guy makes. It’s pathetic.
November 12th, 2019 at 12:46 pm
Totally disagree with the last two minute drives being so important. The whole game is important.Barring that you better know how to take over and win the second half. That is the reason teams like the Patriots are so successful. They shut you down and impose their will on you.
That said Jameis’s second half of all his games show a number of critical mistakes. He has a total of 6 TD’s compared to 9 INT’s in all his second half’s this year. It’s not reallistic to expect 4 great minutes of play to win games. You have tp put together a solid 30 minutes between the first half and the whistle.Its a good thing our RB’s have special teams have produced points. Six TD.s over nine games through the air , coupled with 9 INT’s will not secure many wins.
November 12th, 2019 at 1:22 pm
Jimmy G has 14 TDs and 12 Turnovers yet he’s 8-1
Get a defense and a running game. Case closed.
November 12th, 2019 at 2:05 pm
YES! YES! YES!
DEFINITELY GIVE ME A QB THAT STINKS IT UP THE ENTIRE GAME BUT ON OCCASION CAN FINALLY PUT A DRIVE TOGETHER AT THE END OF A GAME!
Jameis Winston wouldn’t have to put together late game drives if he didn’t suck so bad. Great QBs build early leads and take advantage of momentum.
November 12th, 2019 at 2:07 pm
NEWFLASH:
The Arizona Cardinals and New York Giants have 2 of the WORST DEFENSES in the NFL.
But that doesn’t seem to matter to the Jameis Homers and Joe-I-Own-A-Winston-Doll-The-I-Sleep-Next-To-Every-NIght.
November 12th, 2019 at 2:08 pm
DB55,
Now analyze Brady, Rodgers, Wilson, Jackson’s turnovers vs. their Wins. Go ahead, we’ll wait.
November 12th, 2019 at 2:09 pm
Stevebobucsfan,
YES, one option the Bucs may go with is to give Winston the franchise tag. That would keep him one more year at a high average salary.
November 12th, 2019 at 2:12 pm
Well Rodgers won 6 games in 2018. Analyze that Bandit. If all you need is a QB who doesn’t turn the ball over why did he only win 6 games?
Your stupidity is my entertainment.
November 12th, 2019 at 2:21 pm
I’ve charted this before over his first years in the league, he was pretty much always clutch.
I’ve also charted how many losses we gave up after taking a lead late in the 4th and it’s crazy.
Also not a lot of opportunities to win close games with a bottom NFL defense. If you are blown out 1 in 4 games on average that kind of cuts down the opportunities.
November 12th, 2019 at 3:43 pm
Joe picks and wins are related think of it this way Joe picks are non touchdowns !!!
November 12th, 2019 at 4:00 pm
”Sixty-five games and 94 turnovers highlights Jameis winstons NFL career“ Enough said!!!!!!!
November 12th, 2019 at 6:10 pm
It’s so humorous how people can’t see how bad Jameis Winston sucks as an NFL QB.
People love to blame the Defense. I guess it’s their fault for Winston leads the ENTIRE NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE in turnovers since he started playing in the league 5 years ago, and he continues to have tons of turnovers.
So stupid the mentally of the FSU-homers on this site that would give Winston $35M+/year even if he threw 10 INTs per game.
November 12th, 2019 at 6:15 pm
*LET’S ALL JUDGE JAMEIS TOGETHER…*
Amongst All NFL QBs:
QB Rating: 27th in the NFL
QBR: 20th in the NFL
In the entire NFL, there are only 5 QBs that have played this season that have a WORST QB Rating than Jameis Winston.
LOL. Winston sucks.
November 12th, 2019 at 8:07 pm
I can scarcely stand to visit this site (except as a last resort) due to the overwhelming majority of sophomoric, and downright idiotic comments.
Case in point: 2020 Bucs Future Plans, with his oh so clever “Jaymiss Winsnot”
sobriquet (look it up moron). What, are you in junior high? Look, I too, have given up trying to hope for, or defend Winston. What we have seen is almost certainly what one will continue to see: some outstanding plays overshadowed by poor throws and inconsistent plays.
That said, the level of discourse in the comments, ruins any positive elements of this site.
Joe, you should rule with more of an iron fist with regard to the repetitive peckerwood comments.
November 12th, 2019 at 10:49 pm
Joe is of the opposite opinion. Free thought encourages more engagement. Besides, the comments may be the best feature of this here website. Tell Joe they are not entertaining!