Jameis Doesn’t Make the Cut On Chris Simms’ Top 16 Quarterbacks Of 2019
November 6th, 2019
Here’s an interesting list based on film study through nine weeks of the 2019 season:
Former Bucs quarterback Chris Simms breaks down all things QBs and more for NBC Sports and he’s one of Joe’s favorite analysts. Not only is Simms a Bucs fan who clearly watches Bucs film and is fair on Jameis Winston, he does a great job overall with Xs and Os.
This week, Simms churned out his list of top-16 quarterbacks this season — ranked based on 2019 performance alone — for PFT Live and here it is in order.
Russell Wilson
Deshaun Watson
Aaron Rodgers
Patrick Mahomes
Lamar Jackson
Matthew Stafford
Tom Brady
Kirk Cousins
Jacoby Brissett
Dak Prescott
Carson Wentz
Drew Brees
Derek Carr
Matt Ryan
Jimmy Garoppolo
Kyler Murray
No Jameis to be found.
Joe can’t quibble too much here. Joe would put Jameis ahead of Kyler Murray, but rookies are tough to grade. Clearly, Murray is improving steadily and turned in a good performance against a tough San Francisco defense in his last game.
Derek Carr is having a Pro Bowl season and is completing about 72 percent of his passes. Jacoby Brissett has been so consistent, and Jimmy Garoppolo is doing whatever he must to win.
Matt Ryan might not be better than Jameis this season. He’s rivaled Jameis with bonehead plays and lots of yardage.
Joe suspects Jameis might land at No. 17 when Simms expands his rankings soon.
If Jameis finishes the season largely considered a very-middle-of-the-pack QB, what’s he worth?
Decision Jameis looms.
November 6th, 2019 at 2:17 pm
Jameis ” meaningless stats ” Winston America’s QB’s next interception will be his 71st, his next lost fumble will be his 23rd, meaning his next turnover will be his 93rd since 2015.
He is 23-39
November 6th, 2019 at 2:18 pm
Ya don’t say.
November 6th, 2019 at 2:18 pm
MoveOn.Bucs
November 6th, 2019 at 2:18 pm
Joe you definitely have triggered the haters by suggesting that Jameis should be ranked anywhere in the top 64 list of QBs. Cue Ben, Robert, Bandit, etc. 3.2.1!!!!!
November 6th, 2019 at 2:19 pm
Oh and Pete too! How could I forget him!
November 6th, 2019 at 2:19 pm
Anyone surprised?
November 6th, 2019 at 2:24 pm
The question is obvious…….can we be satisfied going forward with a QB who ranks 17th or lower (at least on Simms’ scale)?
I think we can….only if he gets 17th type money with a 17th type contract.
November 6th, 2019 at 2:25 pm
TDTB
WTF are you talking about. Do you even know?
Pretty fair and reasonable statement to say JW isn’t in the top half of QB’s…people with two eyes can see that.
Don’t know what your 64 number comes from… idiotic hyperbole.
November 6th, 2019 at 2:27 pm
He was at 24 last week. Look at it this way Joe: none of the top 16 have cost their team 3-4 losses this year. Our mental midget has done just that.
November 6th, 2019 at 2:29 pm
Chris Simms should know a quarterback that sucks…. he was one of them.
November 6th, 2019 at 2:30 pm
Ha! he’s a career backup that is starting…top 25 would be a stretch!
November 6th, 2019 at 2:30 pm
Agree to disagree.
November 6th, 2019 at 2:33 pm
If Winston plays good consistent ball in the last half of the season it’s gonna be hard to say his early struggles were not related to learning a new offense.
That’s a big if but I think he can do it. Don’t ask me why.
November 6th, 2019 at 2:37 pm
That london game was a major stain, if not for that game there may be a different story being written even with the other soso games he played
November 6th, 2019 at 2:37 pm
Where is the news????….its obvious…..and I am not a JW hater!! Far from being a JW fan……
Is plain and simple JW is not the answer for the bucs QB position. That is the only position you need consistency…and in 5 years he showed he is not consistent…
He showed he could be an extraordinary player, but just because his inconsistency he is not……
That doensn’t make me a JW hater…….
November 6th, 2019 at 2:38 pm
JMark – do you not read the posts by all the haters on this site. They think he will not be able to start if the Bucs cut him and suggest he will be out of the league in short order. Not sure how you weren’t able to follow my comment. Personally I think the article is fine. As you can see by the very first comment from Pete, they suggest he may be the worst QB in the history of football.
November 6th, 2019 at 2:45 pm
For those of you that think upgrading a 17th rated QB is easy I refer you to the following: Josh Allen, Josh Rosen, Sam Darnold, Mitch Trubisky, Baker Mayfield, Blake Bortles, Marcus Mariota, etc. All these dudes were taken very early in the first round and all of them suck. If you think the Bucs are going to hit a homerun with the 7th – 10th pick in next years crappy QB draft you may want to reconsider. The guy penning this article was our QB at one time and he sucked, along with another dozen or so QBs that came to Tampa and sucked.
November 6th, 2019 at 2:45 pm
Cut bait. Seen enough. Time to move on.
November 6th, 2019 at 2:50 pm
A lot of people were ready to write off both Prescott and Carr a couple season ago and even after last season. They had about the same level of support as Mariota and Winston.
Brissett was considered purely back-up material.
What do they have in common? Heavy investment in offensive lines, both in draft and free agency. Watching the Monday game, Prescott had all day to throw and a lot of the big yardage completions were on slow developing crossing routes and drags. The announcers made several comments about how heavily Dallas had invested in its oline.
Last two years:
Raiders 1st and 3rd, along three free agency signings just this year.
Cowboys, 2nd and 3rd, along with a good free agent tackle.
Colts: Made offensive line a priority in 2018, with a Number 1, sixth overall, on Nelson and a low third on Smith, a guard. Even with all five returning starters and four good reserves on contract for 19, they used two picks on a center and tackle.
November 6th, 2019 at 2:51 pm
“Pertaining to JW3 stats there should be a *
* for Tampa doesnt throw to RBs and TEs
Leftfoot is not QB friendly”
Kobe Faker
November 6th, 2019 at 2:51 pm
@TDTB
To be fair man, with that list only 2 of them you named have played as long (or more in Bortles case) as Jameis, most of them are in their second/third year. Also with the exception of Baker (who has ODB now) has the talent at receiver that Jameis has. Allen Robinson MAY be better than Godwin but he’s nowhere close to Evans level.
November 6th, 2019 at 2:52 pm
@TouchDownTampaBay…because Josh Allen, Josh Rosen, Sam Darnold, Mitch Trubisky, Baker Mayfield, Blake Bortles, Marcus Mariota, etc aren’t good QB, doesn’t make JW a good one my friend.
He is a proven inconsistent QB, and that’s a fact…..And I repeat, I am not a JW hater, I am a Bucs fan!!!!
November 6th, 2019 at 2:54 pm
“LOL
why oh why
are we worried about JWs annual salary?
your GM gave a Tight end bum who caught 10 passes 7 million!”
Kobe Faker
November 6th, 2019 at 2:56 pm
C Sims has an opinion on FAMOUS …why he couldn’t carry FAMOUS’S jockey strap …I would rank Sims career rank as 33 during his playing days!!!
November 6th, 2019 at 2:57 pm
If bucs have a top 7 pick trade down pick two studs. Then with your second round Jalen Hurts. He will be the next Lamar Jackson or Kyler Murray the new age QB.
November 6th, 2019 at 3:06 pm
Jalen Hurts??? Now that is funny!
November 6th, 2019 at 3:06 pm
@Allbuccedup
Why do you actually think Hurts is available in the second round? I really kinda doubt he lasts that long, and more importantly, we all know JL loves to make really bad picks in the second round. If Hurts was somehow still there, JL would breeze right past him to pick a Left Guard from Liberty or something stupid like that.
I’d be happy if he was there btw, but I just really doubt it happens.
November 6th, 2019 at 3:08 pm
JW IS A BUST!!!!!!
GO BUCS!!!!!!
November 6th, 2019 at 3:10 pm
NO SURPRISE THERE!
There is at least 23-25 qbs that JW can’t even compete with…
If the Bucs had a Bilicheck or Saban and tried out all 32 qbs for the Bucs, JW wouldn’t have even the slightest chance… 0 chance.
Top HC don’t, won’t, will never put up with turnovers… They preach ‘ball security’..
November 6th, 2019 at 3:27 pm
Pass on J Hurts my vote would be to stay with Winston unless we could get Joe Burrow.
November 6th, 2019 at 3:39 pm
Joe Burrow will likely be gone when the bucs pick unless we completely collapse, he would also be my first pick.
November 6th, 2019 at 3:42 pm
If Winston would sign at a lower salary than 27 million franchise tag, I would not pay him more than 15 million. If he wants more than that let him walk. Then start over.
November 6th, 2019 at 3:43 pm
TexBuc – have you watched any LSU games this year? He has all day to pass with zero pressure. When analyzing these QBs you really have to consider the talent around them and the system. Same reason so many Alabama picks don’t work out. Too hard to judge when there team is loaded with superior athletes. Burrow almost certainly would fail if the Bucs drafted him.
November 6th, 2019 at 3:59 pm
Except for Tua, who has all day to throw, Burrow, Herbert, and Fromm make mostly short throws. None of the three throw the ball downfield that much. Then again maybe they don’t need too. But for any of them the transition to the NFL is not going to be easy. You need to have a decent backup regardless. Gabbert and Griffin not going to cut it.
November 6th, 2019 at 4:11 pm
Jameis would not make my top ten list of college QB’s right now. Not sure if he’d crack the top of the new league list, and I’d bet there are 10 better CFL QB’s right now.
November 6th, 2019 at 4:11 pm
TDTB I know another spread offense QB. I like QB’s with a little bit of moxy and willing to take the shot when there and yes Burrow does have time to throw, but I mainly judge him on the throws he makes under a pass rush and shows good accuracy. I am not a Tua fan as he is hurt too often with lower body injuries.
November 6th, 2019 at 4:11 pm
If JW plays the rest of the year like he did this past week against Seattle then, I believe the Bucs Franchise him and look to draft OL and RB.
If JW plays anything like he did in game 2 against CAR, then he will be gone and the Bucs will be drafting a new QB in Round 1.
It is completely in JW’s hands.
November 6th, 2019 at 4:24 pm
Agree Tim
My wish list 1) OT 2) RB 3) OL/DL 4) OL/DL 5)LB 6) DL
November 6th, 2019 at 4:30 pm
Surprise, surprise!
No JayMiss on the list…gee, I wonder why?
Maybe, because the Top 16 eat Ws on a regular basis?
Peace, out
November 6th, 2019 at 4:37 pm
I’d put him somewhere around 15, which isn’t good enough.
November 6th, 2019 at 4:39 pm
I would not pay Jameis Winston 27 million franchise tag he is just not worth that much money. Five years and still doesn’t have consistency, much less a team leader.
November 6th, 2019 at 4:40 pm
Bucs have 2 WR’s in the top 5 in yardage, #4 in Scoring Offense, tied for #8 in passing TD, and then somehow exclude the very person that delivers the ball on offense.
November 6th, 2019 at 4:46 pm
Okay let’s pay him 5 year 150 million contract and count all of the playoffs games after 5 years and we will judge then.
November 6th, 2019 at 4:46 pm
The Bucs are a missed FG in the Giants game and a blown early whistle on a clear fumble recovery for a TD in the Titans game from being a legit 4-4 in the playoff hunt. With half the seaon to go it is NOT unreasonable or being a fanboy from expecting the Bucs to finish season strong.
November 6th, 2019 at 4:53 pm
Ww dont even know if Jamies wants to stay. I dont care who plays QB. Fix the oline and secoundary. Or only first round pick in the Secoundary or the Oline is VH3 and he isnt playing up to his worth.
November 6th, 2019 at 4:56 pm
I wound not object to sign Winston to a two year 30-34 million range half guaranteed. That is if he would accept it.
November 6th, 2019 at 4:56 pm
If I was the GM of the Bucs I would offer Winston 3 yr 84 million contract with 28 million guaranteed. Basically a one year deal but cheaper than franchise tag.
November 6th, 2019 at 5:02 pm
The Bucs are if this, if that, if this, if that. The Bucs put themselves in the position they are without all the excuses.
November 6th, 2019 at 5:08 pm
DBS got it you are what your record says you are.
If you have a new truck and it breaks down the proper way to address it is to diagnose what caused the truck to break down not just replace an engine because I might be able to get more power from another engine.
What if is is the transmission that is broken?
Is replacing the engine going to magically repair the transmission?
Of course not you replace what is physically not working.
November 6th, 2019 at 5:25 pm
TexBuc
I was a mechanic for 40 years so don’t try that one. The Bucs have several problems. But to this point every side has cause problems. What I said is they have done this on their own. Field goals not TD’s. TO. etc…. Defense giving up 30 points a game.. If people say it’s just Jameis that is up to their opinoin. In this case it’s not just the ECM… It’s the whole vehicle.
November 6th, 2019 at 5:29 pm
DBS the truck was used as a metaphor had nothing to do with what you did for a living.
November 6th, 2019 at 5:30 pm
DBS Jason Licht is the whole vehicle 29 wins 59 losses, just keep sputtering along.
November 6th, 2019 at 5:43 pm
Allbuccedup
Licht was not dumb enough to pull the stunts this year. That was BA. He told him to bring in his old players and who to draft. Get ready for Lapdog to do the same in 2020. I am sure Licht would have at least brought in a vet DB.
November 6th, 2019 at 5:53 pm
Oh man, the remarkable chris simms’ shedding his enlightenment upon the legion of mouth breathers…
Meanwhile:
top 5 in touchdowns
top 8 in yards
first time in NFL history that one team has 2 WR’s with 750+ yards in 8 games
top 10 in points per game
12th career loss with a passer rating north of 100… Tom Brady has 9 in 2 decades and Russell Wilson 10 since 2012
UNPRECEDENTED!!!
Jameis Winston has been robbed of more signature moments/wins throughout his career than any other quarterback in modern NFL history, undebatable.
Even we he has zero turnovers, the Bucs are 4-8
This is what you get when your defense has allowed 30 points per game for about a half decade straight.
But people want to talk about 23-39 like there’s zero context behind it, just shows your lack of mental aptitude.
This team has been garbage and you pigeons constantly talk out both sides of your mouth and think that because BA has to roll up his sleeves a bit to fix this meltdown of a franchise that’s he’s full of it… if anything he should be lauded for his courage. It’s going to take more than 8 games, but not much more. They are close.
Don’t let the facts ruin your day.
November 6th, 2019 at 6:32 pm
I’d say that a couple of backups will rate above Jameis when the final list comes out, he can’t beat them on the field, so why on paper?
November 6th, 2019 at 7:33 pm
Jameis 1 of 1 doesn’t like Simms
November 6th, 2019 at 7:50 pm
That turnover last game was the deciding factor. Even though it was one there were a couple that should’ve been turnovers. Especially the missed INT for a TD. He throws a lot of deep balls, and a lot are circus catches by our great receivers, but even so for every good play Jameis has he has too many terrible plays as well. It’s feast or famine for Jameis. We have a very young secondary that is struggling and the only way to protect them is to protect the ball on offense. The mistakes on offense his hurting our defense. Exposes them to quicker fatigue and causes mental breakdowns. Remember also, we have that rookie wall coming up. You know, the unknown beyond the 10 game college schedule.
November 6th, 2019 at 7:51 pm
Perhaps Simms is upset that even on his best day he would still be slightly worse than Jameis’ worst day?
Jameis is currently only 1.5 yards away from being the #1 PASSING QB IN THE NFL, in terms of yards/game. This is all overshadowed by his turnovers, and rightfully so, but Kyler Murray? The system the Cardinals run is the only thing keeping him looking better than Baker Mayfield.
November 6th, 2019 at 8:22 pm
But he did win the turnover machine award….now THAT is “something.” Yeah, Jameis is oozing all right.
November 6th, 2019 at 8:49 pm
It’s real simple – Jay Miss is not an upper echelon or even middle of the road starting QB in the NFL.
November 6th, 2019 at 9:02 pm
Kyler Murray will get a swift boost in the rankings after having career bests against the Bucs D.
November 6th, 2019 at 11:32 pm
Simms a hater just like so many of you jameis getting extended I will see you
November 6th, 2019 at 11:36 pm
BigHog, ? “C Sims has an opinion on FAMOUS …why he couldn’t carry FAMOUS’S jockey strap”
??
C Simms carried his own jockey strap along with his teammates and their own into the playoffs. Yeah, him and Edel Shepherd got robbed with the TD catch non-catch thing in the Endzone and we lost that playoff game.《it is a Bucs life!》 C Simms opinions, could be from that he was on that same playoff team that was #1 in the NFC South Division with a 11-5 record. Has “FAMOUS” hung his strap on any of those things yet? Gotten close?
I hear you BigHog, Shepherd caught the damn ball!!!
Go Bucs!
November 7th, 2019 at 9:32 pm
Pick up foles and draft linemen offense and defensive line. Oh and fire licht
November 9th, 2019 at 9:09 am
At this point in time I would also rate Rivers, Dalton, Goff & Foles ahead of Winston.
November 9th, 2019 at 9:10 am
Oh I forgot Bridgewater.