Direct Jameis-To-Jameis Comparison Emerges
November 18th, 2019
It might have slipped the minds of many Bucs fans that America’s Quarterback, Jameis Winston, only made nine starts last season and twice was a relief pitcher — against the Bears and Giants.
So he sort of played 10 full games — just like he has in 2019.
Joe has been waiting for this moment to look at a bit of a direct year-over-year comparison. Little has changed when it comes to Jameis.
Last year, Jameis had 378 passing attempts; this year he has 406, but his completion rate has dropped a full five percentage points. Touchdowns are equal at 19 and of course, interceptions are up from 14 to 18.
He’s thrown for 88 more yards this season but statistically was a more effective scrambler last year.
Sacks are way up from 27 to 36, already the most Jameis has been dropped in one season since he entered the NFL.
Total wins are steady at three, which was his total as a starter in both 2017 and 2018.
Can anyone make a case that Jameis has improved this season? Joe can’t imagine even the most ardent Jameis supporter could say that.
But it is early, still six games to play with 10 games of familiarity in the offense.
Still a chance for Jameis to look like a top-10 or top-13 starter in the NFL, rather than a bottom-tier guy. Still waiting for the Quarterback Whisperer to work some magic.
November 18th, 2019 at 5:24 pm
OH JOE,
Stop selling out and “playing both sides” of the Jameis debate, regardless if you try and cast the blame on the “other Joe” if he posts defending Jameis every time.
You’re doing it for page views rather than doing it in the best interest of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and team that people come to this site to read about. Hate to break this to you, but Joe simply writes about what Joe finds interesting as it relates to the Bucs. If Joe was just here for page views, then Joe would write about many other topics, write a daily rumors column and more, in addition to telling Ira Kaufman what to write about to drive page views (which Joe never has done). Also, for the record, Jameis stories don’t drive a lot of page views. A percentage of fans don’t like him and are sick of reading about him. Therefore, he’s not the hot topic you might think he is. –Joe
If you were a true Bucs fan yourself you’d be taking a STRONG STANCE at this point that Jameis Winston should be jettisoned after this season and that the Bucs need to start over at QB. Joe doesn’t tell anyone how to be a fan. There are all kinds of fans, hardcore, casual, in-stadium crazies, those who fall in love with players and care about little else, those driven by community pride, those who want to win a Super Bowl above everything else and care about nothing else. There are all kinds. Not sure why you think you have the right to define “fan.” Joe sure doesn’t. Joe is a fan the way Joe enjoys being a fan. –Joe
Yet here you are… continuing your “America’s QB” schtick and making half your posts about how great Jameis is and the excuses for him rather than growing some balls and taking a DEFINITIVE stance that this turd of a QB just isn’t cut out to be a solid NFL starting QB after nearly 5 years of play. Joe has written numerous times — and vocalized — that Jameis is nothing more than a middle-of-the pack starter in the NFL at best. That’s who he is. Can a team win with Jameis? Joe isn’t sure because the defense has been so dreadful over the past three seasons, and because Jameis has been so inconsistent and has had so little room for error because of that defense. Lastly, Joe’s been calling Jameis “America’s Quarterback” since November 2014. It’s called a nickname. Joe likes it, hence Joe continues it. Joe doesn’t care if people like it or not. If Joe did care about such things (or page views) then Joe would be the guy lacking balls that you think Joe is. –Joe
November 18th, 2019 at 5:24 pm
I’m hoping the next JayMiss story is how he is finally going to get benched…
November 18th, 2019 at 5:26 pm
Is JW 100%? I have an ominous feeling about this upcoming game. The Falcons sacked Carolina QB numerous times.
November 18th, 2019 at 5:29 pm
AND… why don’t you ever post stats about his QUARTERBACK RATING rather than just harp on yards?
TRADITIONAL QB RATING: Winston currently ranks 29th out of all starting QBs.
QBR RATING: Winston currently ranks 21st out of all starting QBs.
Joe has written multiple times about not being a fan of QB ratings, long before Jameis ever became QB. Why? Because guys like Mariota, Matt Schaub and Andy Dalton are among the very best all-time. Too flawed for Joe.–Joe
That’s PATHETIC!
NOTE: And we all know his ratings would be MUCH lower if it weren’t for so many yards/TDs scored late in games in garbage time, like against the Saints down by 3 scores yet Arians leaves him in the game when Griffin should have been given a chance to earn some much needed experience.
November 18th, 2019 at 5:31 pm
Sorry, Joe, but I’m calling B.S. on your comment about Jameis articles…
One can easily see that Jameis articles get 2-3X+ the number of comments than non-Jameis articles; which obviously shows they get more page views too.
Comments don’t translate to page views. Never have. Never will. Best example Joe can give is that after a Bucs win, Joe’s Monday traffic is up about 15 percent versus a Bucs loss, but comments are about double after a loss. That’s just a reality going on 12 years. Negativity in our society is always louder than positive voices. The metrics were like that during Joe’s many years at the Tampa Tribune, as well.–Joe
November 18th, 2019 at 5:32 pm
Guys I came on this site to let yall know Jameis is here for awhile so get used to it and stop your complaining. This guy has had no help, he has really only thrown 5 INTs this year because 8 were the receivers fault, 2 were were Jason Licht’s fault, and 3 were not fair because he was hurt. If you listen to Pat & AaRaaahn show on 620 you’d know this already, because ARaaaaahN already said “the poor kid’s ankle was hurt.” NOT HIS FAULT. And another thing! Watch it with the nasty comments JAMie Pooh is trying to build confidence. We are bringing him along easy. It’s not a rebuild it’s a 5 yr Reload, by Jameis’s 10 th year we’re gonna be rollin LOUD like the rap concert! Heck he will only be 30 yrs old. Cmon Mane!
November 18th, 2019 at 5:35 pm
turn out the lights the party’s over
November 18th, 2019 at 5:36 pm
And not to flood this article with so many comments, but here’s a question for you…
Many of us would love for you to ask Coach Arians why he’s apparently so afraid to let Ryan Griffen take the field when games are already out of reach?
What excuse on earth would Arians have to leave a hobbled Winston in the game Sunday when the team was down by 3 scores and it was clearly over?
Is Arians afraid that Griffen may come in and excel and prove that Arians isn’t the QB Whisperer that he claims to be since he hasn’t been able to improve Winston?
November 18th, 2019 at 5:36 pm
I’m sick of hearing that the D is terrible, they are forcing Winston to attempt to score 35. The D would probably look a little better if the other team did not get an extra four possessions a game. Don’t get me wrong we can’t stop anyone but Winston giving the ball away doesn’t help them.
November 18th, 2019 at 5:38 pm
I’d like to see some comparisons to year 1…..from what I can see they are extremely similar……thus, no improvement. It could be argued that he has better weapons and Doug Martin ran for over 1400 yards…..so, we had a running game.
I am totally on the fence with Jameis & his future……I am down to “If the price is right” and the terms of the contract as far as incentives and guarantees.
I would give him a contract with an extremely large bonus if he made the playoffs.
Also, if the decision has been made on Jameis (either way)……we need to give Ryan Griffin some snaps.
November 18th, 2019 at 5:39 pm
Lol it’s still early? How is 10 games into year 5 still early? See plenty of QBs come into the league in year 2 or 3 and not throw the ball to the wrong team 4 times a game.
November 18th, 2019 at 5:39 pm
Bad team. Incompetent ownership. Bad coaching AGAIN! 50% success at drafting AT BEST. No hope. Root for John Lycnch’s team.
November 18th, 2019 at 5:50 pm
3-7, its too late for what really counts, putting a competitive team on the field. Like it or not the quarterback is who gets to be a part of every offensive play unless its a FG/Punt. Thats why the quarterback is the most magnified player in any team’s offense. He’s the leader, he’s the winner or he’s the loser. He’s the face of the franchise.
I admire the scrapiness, the courage and the drive in Jameis Winston. He personally has turned his life around.
Unfortunately he is suffering just as Vinny, Trent Dilfer, Josh Freeman did with fans having high hopes and him not being able to deliver a playoff team.
Its just another chapter in the book of Bucs losing that is being written and for the sake of the team and for Jameis Winston, a change will do all of us good.
November 18th, 2019 at 5:51 pm
“I would give him a contract with an extremely large bonus if he made the playoffs”….TBBucFan
Congratulations on the most idiotic post of the day. Please answer:
When (other than pre-season dreams) have the Bucs with JW EVER seemed likely that they are MAYBE a playoff team?
Go on, I’m waiting.
November 18th, 2019 at 5:56 pm
Jay Miss isn’t worth resigning for a stale bag of Cheetos!
November 18th, 2019 at 5:57 pm
Mark Cook made a great point today on dae. He said Carson Palmer threw 22 ints and still won 10 games. He said bc the cardinals def only gave up 19 ppg vs 32 ppg. He said regardless of the turnovers you can still win with a decent defense.
Case in point Jimmy G and the niners. Jimmys TD:TO ratio is abysmal yet his running game and defense bailed him out the entire first half of the season and they went 8-0.
November 18th, 2019 at 5:58 pm
He’s not effective…..that’s the best summary of Jameis Winston. Different team, different coach, different roster structure….who knows, maybe he becomes something somewhere but here in Tampa, its not happening.
November 18th, 2019 at 5:59 pm
A top 10 QB?
Its getting really hard, trying to find any stat, to imply Winston doent suck.
Looked to me, like the O-line has given up on him.
He holds the ball too long, takes a sack. That’ll piss off a O-lineman.
Meybe its just me, but the receivers dont seem to be getting open as often.
Its just my observations, but I think the offense has given up on Jameis.
Just like the Fan base.
Bruce Arians claims to support Jameis, but the playcalling is letting Winston display his worst traits.
Meybe Arians wants to make sure everyone is in favor of dumping Jameis, at the end of the year!
Without Jameis- this offense would run like a dream.
8-10 more interceptions should seal his fate.
No problem.
November 18th, 2019 at 6:01 pm
* Me and the whole Bucs Nation who’s be here with orange uniforms
…..we were losers then
* Enjoyed the change of Uniforms to red and pewter and enjoyed winning for awhile….
* After Gruden left…..and we now have these terrible alarm clock uniforms….and were back to losing…
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and the losing never ends
the excuses for losing never end
the searching for a franchise QB never ends
and searching for a good head coach never ends
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So why doesn’t my patience and support for this team never ends?????
I feel like a battered spouse that can’t seem to leave a bad situation hoping it’ll get better somehow 🙁
November 18th, 2019 at 6:02 pm
You know what else hasn’t improved? The oline, def, or special teams.
November 18th, 2019 at 6:14 pm
Top 10 QB? No even close!
#2 in yards, #3 in TDs, #6 overall offense, #2 and #3 WRs.
Bucs best RB ranked #42, #21 ranked rushing offense
#26 ranked def, #28 ranked passing def and #2 ranked rush def.
Although I can’t find the stat I garuntee that no other QBs has been under pressure, hit or sacked more than JayMiss ATM WinsNot the greatest quarterback in the history of the buccaneers
November 18th, 2019 at 6:21 pm
For the mental and emotional health of everyone involved including Jameis… MoveOn.Bucs
November 18th, 2019 at 6:24 pm
Cut him so we can get started on next year’s scapegoat. Who is it gonna be fellas?
Bandit, Anthem, Bird, Figures come on guys who you gonna blame next year when Jameis is gone? You have to have someone in mind who you got?
November 18th, 2019 at 6:26 pm
Don’t let the trolls get to you Joes! This is a free webpage – even if you were trying to get views who the hell cares. If they don’t like it, they can stop visiting your site. Whining about free content is like a homeless guy rejecting a free meal because he wanted a steak.
November 18th, 2019 at 6:28 pm
Jameis needs to hire someone to follow him around every hour of every day and take notes. Everything from when he flosses to how loud his farts are. Then figure his routine for Pro Bowl Jameis and his routine for Stewart McCown. Then never do the Stewart McCown routine ever again!
November 18th, 2019 at 6:31 pm
@Joe
I’ve never agreed with you more and never been sadder to say so.
“Negativity in our society is always louder than positive voices.”
And it’s bad enough on a sports blog…but you’re sadly so correct this infects our entire society. I’ve never seen a society so blessed (not there is not room for a lot of improvement) beotch so much and be so negative. JBF posters reflect all of our society.
@Papa Why do you guys always come here and whine about what JW doesn’t have. If he didn’t have two of the best targets in the game he’d be toast. JW throws sooo many bad passes…not just the ints…how many wide open targets does he miss…even when he has time. How many times does he get lucky and a TD goes on his record. Twice in just the last two weeks…that batted ball that could have easily been intercepted that somehow ended up in Perriman’s hands and that HORRIBLE throw to Godwin who not only made a GREAT catch at his knees behind him but had the skill set to take it to the house! That TD was totally Godwin but it will show up as a JW TD. Luck..and teammates playing well or poorly work BOTH ways!
JW is perhaps the most polarizing player I’ve seen and the posts reflect that. He’s either the “Messiah” who can do no wrong…or a jackwagon who can do no right. Some maintain their heads…TBBF’s post on this thread for example.
As for me…if we build a GREAT team around him…maybe…but at the end of the day he throws a poor ball. Cannon arm with the tiny hands and unusual grip of the ball according to Chris Simms. Many times his throws look as if they were tipped..sometimes they are…sometimes they are not…he seems to simply lose his grip…the interception at the end of the first half being exhibit A.
November 18th, 2019 at 6:32 pm
He is what he was when he came in the league.
“Simple as that”
November 18th, 2019 at 6:35 pm
SB
So you’re saying he’s a record breaking pro-bowl quarterback? Finally we agree, it’s been awhile. 🤣
November 18th, 2019 at 6:36 pm
Yesterday you could tell from their first series that is was going to be a rough day to be a Buc. If the rest of the team saw a QB open a game and look good, it might lift them to a better effort.
I don’t care how professional you are, you do better work in a positive situation. Maybe Griffin can do that for the team, Jameis can’t do it consistently. He is up and down with down being prevalent. Two weeks in a row throwing interceptions on his second pass, then yesterday.
Yesterday he couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn, from the inside. He got lucky a couple of times but almost every pass was off just enough.
To answer your question, NO he hasn’t improved this season.
November 18th, 2019 at 6:38 pm
So am I the only one who picked up on the increased sacks? I like how peoples hatred blinds them from simple observations. Joe can I Venmo you some money to ask the coach or the GM why we don’t have a O-line and a run game?
November 18th, 2019 at 6:41 pm
“American airlines baggage handler” Jameis Winston
November 18th, 2019 at 6:45 pm
They usually say a qb turns the corner in year 3
Unfortunately, I’ve had enough
Arians told him to throw the ball away and he did for a game and commented on it . But ole jameis is back to his old self
There is no reason for this to continue like things might get better. He has more turnovers then touchdowns
Why not see what ryan griffin can do in a game instead of just preseason or practice. Will the results really be any different . I know you play to win the game but a high draft pick sure would be nice.
November 18th, 2019 at 6:45 pm
those who want to win a Super Bowl above everything else and care about nothing else.
I strongly resemble those remarks….
jameis was setup to fail. jamies is a victim of an incompetent organization. how can you expect a young qb to develop with all the drama, turn over and complete leadership void franchise wide. this oline is a disgrace! i wish jameis well elsewhere…
parole jameis and evans give the young men hope!
November 18th, 2019 at 6:49 pm
If they haven’t made their minds up yet, they all need to be kicked to the curb.
Halfway through the third quarter it is the same old Winston. Here is the question the Glazers are asking themselves: “If we had to draft Winston all over again…with all the controversy, headaches, on and off the field, over the past five years…would we do it again?”
Does anyone think “yes” at this point? Here is a clue: no one is talking contract right now.
November 18th, 2019 at 6:53 pm
More than 4 1/2 yrs and sportswriters are still wondering if JW is gonna turn into into something he’s not in the next 6 games. Unreal! Sadly, the owners with Licht and BA will shove JW down our throats for more years. I never thought the owners, GM and HC would totally ignore the wishes and desires of the fan base to at least field a competitive and hard playing team. Some writers need to grow a pair and write how Licht and BA have totally conned the incompetent Glazers kids who also have no intention of improving this franchise. The fans have always deserved better than this s&#tshow year in and year out.
November 18th, 2019 at 7:00 pm
Yes, Ryan Griffin, the guy who’s never thrown an nfl pass in 5 years in the league which seems to be an important measuring stick. The guy who hurt his shoulder in a preseason game? The guy who can’t beat literal fed ex drivers is going to do better than JayMiss ATM WinsNot? Hmmm okay! Will he be able to score 32 ppg also? And be the leading rusher on the team too?
November 18th, 2019 at 7:08 pm
If Duemig were alive, I’m positive he’d be advocating for a QB change. Winston’s career trajectory is similar to Freeman’s and Duemig hated Freeman.
November 18th, 2019 at 7:12 pm
Will someone please tell me what quarterback has thrown close to 150 passes in three back back,to back games with this offense line. I hope Winston leaves, and go to New England, or someplace else with a good offense line. Coach Bruce is trying to tell everyone be careful what you ask for.
November 18th, 2019 at 7:13 pm
24-40
98 turnovers
6 games to add to both of the those totals.
November 18th, 2019 at 7:15 pm
me too Ed ..I’m tired of New England winning all the time
November 18th, 2019 at 7:20 pm
I still think he messed something up in preseason of his rookie year and ain’t moved right ever since. And the damage just keeps adding up.
November 18th, 2019 at 7:25 pm
If I read these stats right, JayMiss has actually gotten worse under the tutelage of BA and his enormous band of offensive geniuses.
It just goes to show that you can’t make chicken salad out of chicken $hit.
Besides, BA is full of $hit too. He and JayMiss deserve each other.
We need another JayMiss confidence Poll.
November 18th, 2019 at 7:27 pm
Listen @BUCS BANDIT
You know the reason I’m not bringing in no backups… why the hell you think “Trashy” Licht told me not to go to the Kapearnick show??? I woulda kept that Fitzmagic guy around but everybody got together with the PSYCH TEAM and we had direct orders from the top to only have Ryan as the one backup, this way we could…..
Oh hell, Im not supposed to be saying this on here damn ima git fined or something. But Sh!t man
Jameis has an IEP coaching plan, I can’t yell at him or blame him for anything that happens, and I sure as hell caint put in no backup that might damn well play good. It would crush his confidence and then we’d have nonshot at the 10 yr reload plan.
November 18th, 2019 at 7:30 pm
Listening to pat kirwin on moving the chains. He mentioned that our QB situation is toast.
If Licht, Arians, and Winston are all back in 2020, then that would be insanity.
6 years of Licht is too much, and I can’t handle another year with the turnovers from the QB position. It’s just too painful to watch the turnovers and inconsistency. It hurts to see a great game, get hope, then watch three games of crap.
I am done and I am sorry. I wish I could take more of this QB, but it’s just so, so damn painful.
November 18th, 2019 at 7:35 pm
The time has come to move on.
He may improve marginally someday but it’s not worth the risk.
November 18th, 2019 at 7:41 pm
Ed
He’s also thrown for more than 300 yards four weeks in a row, ANOTHER franchise record! BUT I’m sure all those games were just gArBaGe TiMe yards
November 18th, 2019 at 7:45 pm
Agree w you Willy.
It’s time.
November 18th, 2019 at 7:47 pm
To add to what Capt. Tim said, it’s impossible to continue to ask the offensive players in that locker room to continue to support the QB that us hell bent on throwing games away.
I also think you’re seeing guys on that field that know that their Offensive Coordinator doesn’t have any business calling plays in an NFL game.
On top of that, Arians is doing exactly what he did in Arizona with calling out players publicly. That kind of crap can work if you’re actually on the practice field and in the meeting rooms teaching, not if you’re on a golf cart at practice and playing solitaire in your office during meetings. This is a massive sh!t show, no doubt about it, and there are some good players on this team who’s careers are being wasted.
Winston is Arians pet project and I don’t see anyway that he doesn’t push to bring him back next year. If Arians and Licht are still here, so too will be Winston, and the suffrage will continue.
November 18th, 2019 at 7:49 pm
4th year in a scheme vs the 1st year in a scheme.
Not exactly an apples to apples comparison.
November 18th, 2019 at 7:51 pm
YES! one of the worst mistakes the Bucs have made in this modern era…
Should have NEVER drafted him..
Do the right thing and purge Tampa and this team from this debacle so hope for the near future may soon be restored.
November 18th, 2019 at 7:57 pm
Db55- Fitz is nobody’s allpro
But he made this offense run like a formula one car.
Also had a better record than Blameless Jameis
I think Arians supports Jameis with his mouth,
But not with his actions.
I think he looked at this team, loved the offense- but not Jameis.
Think hes picked a QB in the draft- to whisper to.
Cant blame him
November 18th, 2019 at 7:57 pm
Jameis needs to move on from here for his own good. Unless he wins a super he won’t be good enough
November 18th, 2019 at 7:57 pm
The main issue is the draft picks over the years. The drafts have no clear direction or plan. It’s as if there’s a bunch of names in a hat and Licht reaches in and says give me that guy! Honesty, you can’t give Jameis all the blame. Yes he has been a turnover machine but what the team is asking him to do is crazy! Dropping your QB back 30-50 times a game is criminal. Where’s our young offensive lineman that we have groomed? Where’s our elite running back to take pressure off of Jameis? You pick another tight end when Jameis clearly had a great rhythm with the one he had. You can’t afford to pick a luxury tight end when your building a team around your young QB. How has this team helped Jameis improve? Continuing to throw him out there and say score 30 because we can’t draft is down right sad. He had issues with turnovers in College so now you draft him and don’t get him a running game with a great line. How about putting together a defense where Jameis doesn’t feel like he had to score in every possession to win. But hey what do I know. I’m just a concerned fan. How is it that our front office doesn’t understand that football is won up front through the trenches? You can have 5 or 6 wide receivers but if you can’t stop the run and run the ball then you don’t win, period! And please for the love of God if you do end up keeping Licht do not allow him to draft a DB. He can’t figure that out! Just go out and buy some.
November 18th, 2019 at 8:03 pm
The whole team is miserable and it showed after the game on Sunday. We can debate Jameis’s role in the loss until the cows come home, but I am willing to bet that the Glazers will decide to move on from Jameis at the end of the season. Fans are tired of all the excuses and I bet the owners are also.
November 18th, 2019 at 8:12 pm
Yeah well I thought Bruce was the answer…..Not for Winston but for the organization. I won’t give up on him just yet and but there are no real signs of progression and it’s looking bleak.
Point is I dont know what’s good for this team. Coaches, players or prospects. And none of us do. If half y’all knew we would of scored 40 per game after your weapons per Winston campaign and would be looking to win our second SB this year(as was predicted).
So my stance on What nston is….Whatever……Let the Bucs do what they gonna do. Let em try to figure it out. And I’ll use the old addage…..hope for the best and prepare for the worst. Don’t see how much more positive and attitude could honestly be then that.
November 18th, 2019 at 8:13 pm
got Bucs Says:
November 18th, 2019 at 7:47 pm
To add to what Capt. Tim said, it’s impossible to continue to ask the offensive players in that locker room to continue to support the QB that us hell bent on throwing games away
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Idk if you really wanna go there. Imagine JW calling people out like:
Reporter: Jameis can you tell us about the 4 picks today? You seem to be giving games away.
JW: thank you for asking. Yea this team sucks. You got a 1st round pick who we don’t even need cause our UDFA TE from Harvard outplays the 1st round 19th overall pick every year. You know we should have drafted Dalvin Cook instead but the Bucs got too many gator alum on their booster club so that couldn’t happen.
Then, you see, can’t not one of these RBs block. That’s why RoJo don’t stay on the field and Dare can almost block but he can’t run that’s why we’re amongst the league worst rushing attacks. If Dare would have lined up where I told him to and blocked the right guy maybe that 2nd pick doesn’t happen.
But that’s been the story all year, people dropping passes, running the wrong routes, you’d think with 50 coaches we’d know what to do but nope. Our most experienced offensive player can’t even avoid jumping offsides not once but twice in critical game situations but I’m sure that’s somehow my fault. (Eye roll)
And don’t even get me started on his pass blocking. Someone should have taken Dotson out back and put him out his misery about 4 years ago, ammirite? And Donavan, well you see it, that guy will get me seriously injured at least once or twice a year but imma dawg so I just play through the pain. So between Dotson, Smith and Jensen hiking the ball before anyone is even ready what do you expect?
Blame me if you want, if it makes you feel better but remember that the Bucs have suck pure arse juice way before I got here, I’m only here because they suck and only won 2 games before I got drafted.
I on the other hand have always been a winner and as of Dec 30, 2019 will continue to be a winner. Remember before I got here I never lost a game, not in hs, not in college. I never lost.
No matter how hard I worked I couldn’t make this historically terrible franchise into a winner. I mean this is a town who worships Gerald McCoy, great guy sure but what a fkn loser. So I wish you guys the best and I’ll see you in the playoffs, oh wait, no I won’t. Dueces!
November 18th, 2019 at 8:15 pm
NPRSageBoy … It’s not just Jameis who’s gotten worse; the whole team has gotten worse. Bombs Away can score a lot of points and quickly, but at a POTENTIALLY huge cost … turnovers. I believe that it’s the relic of a bygone era, for a variety of reasons.
For one thing, it requires a strong QB with a good touch for deeper passing. It also requires preferably a couple of deep threat receivers, as well as a quality OLine to protect said QB. None of that comes cheap as we’re now seeing. And it comes at the expense of team BALANCE, which is essential IMO for making the playoffs & winning.
Just as importantly, it takes longer for deep plays to develop (duh) and that increases the risk that bad things will happen. turnovers, sacks, QB Hits, injuries … the list of bad things that MIGHT happen seems endless. And we’ve seen all of them as long-suffering Bucs’ fans.
With all that comes the risk that you MIGHT fall behind early, become one-dimensional, and oh ya, lose. And we’ve certainly seen our share of that too. The strategy is faulty; it’s a dinosaur. There’s a reason why a QB like Drew Brees only throws an INT every 42 passes attempted & has a lifetime 67.5% completion percentage. And oh ya, has a 158-110 career won-loss record. And there’s also a reason why Jameis Winston throws an INT every 30 passes attempted & has a lifetime 61.2% completion percentage. And oh ya, a lifetime 24-40 won-loss record. Perhaps a lot of it has to do with what they’re being asked to do on the field?
November 18th, 2019 at 8:26 pm
And all this debate back and forth is entertaining but is really quite worthless at the end of the day. None of us know what the heck we are talking about. We don’t have a clue how to fix this mess.
Opinions expressed here have been so wrong(mine included) over the years it’s laughable.
-Can remember ‘In Licht I trust’ being a very popular slogan for a while. Laughable.
-Anybody remember our Grand Slam Draft of 2015? Yeah well it included a LB nobody cared we booted. 2 OL who make up a line that’s complained about daily & a QB who half the fans can’t tolerate any longer.
-How about Mike Smith being blamed for everything defense? Lookie now we are still just as bad.
-Weapons for Winston? I addressed that above.
-How about all the hype given to guys like Noah Spence and OJ over the years.
-Heck even the Joe’s contribute with this “play for the draft” nonsense. Last time we did that as I recall we wound up with Winston and it got us right here.
That’s why it’s so funny reading a few choice commenters ranting and raving all over each other like they got all the answers. Y’all don’t know no more then the next guy. Quit lying to ypurselfs.
November 18th, 2019 at 8:36 pm
Fans,
Quarterbacks all around the league are flourishing with less experience. We need to roll the dice and try to strike gold with a cheap QB who can play, and allocate al that cap space to buying elite players.
November 18th, 2019 at 8:38 pm
Capt Tim
Ok but what about the FACT, not opinion, that BA has been supporting and promoting JW since BA was a member of the media? This is on tape, not just me bloviating.
As for Fitztragic, the dude was 2-7 as a starter got pulled twice for throwing 3+ interceptions in the first half and got shut out by the Redskins. When has JW ever been shut out, zero points? Never!
Come on man, if you gonna reply to me please come with facts not your drunken memories. Ain’t nobody got time for that!
November 18th, 2019 at 8:42 pm
I said earlier I was done with JW but as it settles in and replaying the game no way man. JW is okay man he needs to cut on the turnovers he will be a top Qb in this league minus the ints but I get it. The situation isn’t the most Qb happy environment.
November 18th, 2019 at 8:42 pm
Jimmyjack,
I am just a fan, but you are dead wrong if you think the JBFers could do worse!!!
Wake up and smell the suckage. Ina league built for parity, with success being the end goal, we find a way to continue to be our own worst enemy. A poor defense with a QB who hands out turnovers like its “trick or treat” on Halloween. 🎃
November 18th, 2019 at 8:44 pm
I’m not done. How is this organization going to sell to the fans that Byron is our play caller when clearly we know that Bruce is better. How is that helping Jameis? How do they trout out such a young secondary and compete? How do you not go into the season with a young right tackle to take over for Dotson? How is Perriman allowed to wear a Bucs uniform every week? How you you start a safety at nickel against Drew Brees? How does Byron put a game plan together where he doesn’t have slants routes or drag routes? How come we have to limit our defensive play calling because of our young secondary. We can’t run zone that much because of the miscommunication. These are some of the things we provide our QB with and expect him to play like a hall of famer. This stuff you can’t make up. We are a joke of a franchise that has no clue how to build a team. It’s just sad.
November 18th, 2019 at 8:47 pm
Lamarcus,
I agree with you that there is a lot to
Like about Jameis. But we can’t get over the: average time to throw, INTs, Fumbles, sacks, and inaccuracies.
I will root like hell for Jameis bc he’s a Buc and he plays hard. He’s just not that good. The great QBs put up numbers and don’t turn the ball over, and more importantly they win ball games.
We need to stop climbing in a time machine to talk about the Carson Palmer cardinals. We are not them, and the era of football is different.
In a league where Russel Wilson shines, and Lamar Jackson takes the MVP, we have the most turnovers ever. I don’t care about the yards/points. Just win. So much of the passing stats are self-infected bc of turnovers. It’s just ridiculous.
November 18th, 2019 at 8:51 pm
SteveK that is true but there is a pretty common denominator you see with most of them QBs and you’ll usually notice that most of the success is found within quality orginizations.
Just look at the Eagles as one example. Sure Wintz has had success but the team around him has been well built and can win without having to rely on excellent QB play. That’s why Foles won a SB.
Heck even look at the Patriots. Do you really think Brady carried that team in the SuperBowl last year?
How about the Panthers and Steelers? Both having success with backups……Is that any suprized when you look at those franchises histories?
November 18th, 2019 at 8:52 pm
It’s clear Arians better start whispering a little louder cause Jameis ain’t hearing him. And everyone knows all those interceptions are the referees fault, right?
November 18th, 2019 at 8:59 pm
Jimmyjack,
Brady is the GOAT. And at 41 he won the SB. Don’t know if he’s what he used to be, but he’s still got it.
Eagles won bc Doug Pedersen is a magician, the dog masks and Foles is a saint 😊
Jimmy jack, I clamored for Calais Campbell two years ago, but we chose 🌴 effer instead.
I clamored for trenches this year. I said Ed Oliver, Montez Sweat, or Hosh Allen. Not a Mike LB at 5. In a passing league.
When we took Vernon, I would’ve taken Tunsil. I swear- Tunsil’s has 😷 gas mask was put gain! We could’ve traded him for multiple firsts, but Licht would rather have a CB worth nothing on the NFL market.
Trenches are key. Control the LOS.
However, I believe a greet poster on here: Tickrdr, points out so well about how the Bucs spend a lot lore cap space on offense than defense and the O still
Can’t stop turning it over. It’s pathetic and unwatchable. I do agree Jameis could still be good, I’ve just run out of mental gymnastics 🤸♀️ in my brain 🧠 to suggest the qb is worth keeping. Not for us. Nor do we deserve him. And that’s ok. I want to own it and not hear my coach talk about fake stats and “real picks”
I am most pissed off about the lip service “reload”, “rebuild”, “totally fixed”, “calls out (insert position group other than QB) here”.
Jameis is not a baby, so Arians needs to quit babying him and be real AF. It’s tired after five years. It’s more
Confusing and tiresome than Freeman.
November 18th, 2019 at 9:02 pm
JimmyJack,
I do think Brady’s leadership has an effect on that team. It’s like Michael Jordan or Wayne Gretzky. They have “it”. Not this new age “let’s team up and win it all bc we can’t step up on our own” stuff. Kawhi Leonard May well be the next great one. Love his game and that he doesn’t get scared and form a super team.
November 18th, 2019 at 9:03 pm
Joe…you miss one important fact…that it takes two for the whispers methods to work. And maybe Jameis is just slow to learn..or incapable of changing his game, either based upon talent mentally or physically, or temperament.
Joe..let’s face it. No QB whisper could make either of us into starting NFL franchise QB material. And maybe he can’t make Jameis franchise QB material. Don’t know that for a fact…but as things seem to remain the same from game to game, and year to year, it is possible that what we are seeing is all that Jameis will be.
Then the question is…is that enough, based upon what we can expect to have to pay for his services? That may be where the reality,and debate, really are.
November 18th, 2019 at 9:05 pm
SteveK……It’s not about if we could do worse or not.
It’s freaking football not rocket science. I’m sure some of y’all could figure some stuff out if you could quit your jobs and emmerse yourself in football 60+ hours a week…..while earning 7 figures.
Point is the nonsense we spout out as fans doesn’t even begin to scratch the surface of the problems in this team. Their aren’t no one draft pick or free agent gonna come turn the whole thing around.
Hey I dont know how a football operation is run. Something tells me the scapegoating we get as fans is just a drop in the bucket.
November 18th, 2019 at 9:06 pm
Jimmy Jack,
When we drafted Adrian Clayborn in 2011, I immediately poured myself a cocktail and said “why take a player that. An only rush from one side of the line, over Cam Jordan (whom went four picks later), the son aid an all-pro.
When in doubt, draft the bloodline. Why do we make such dumb decisions? It is really maddening. Can we text Joe to send his Poc “bic’s Suit” our draft board? luvmybucs should be in the war room! Over the beer slugging, pool jumping, loser-worse than Dominik-GM
November 18th, 2019 at 9:06 pm
Didn’t realize Winston and FSU beat Oregon. Threw 4 picks in a half against their rival, he was always fantastic. All that matters is now.
November 18th, 2019 at 9:09 pm
Jimmyjack,
You are right. I’m just a fan and I don’t know. But I can say with conviction that I would be a TRENCH PLAYER in the drafts. The closer to the call (LOS) the more I value you.
This may go back to Aaron a Donald over mike Evans. So glad we took Evans. He’s a straight up baller. And as long as Donald was the pick of Evans was gone we were good.
I still wish we lost to the Saints in week 17 two years ago bc I wanted Quentin Nelson bad. Bad bad. Dude is special.
I will admit I was wrong about Trent Richardson 😂
November 18th, 2019 at 9:11 pm
I feel bad that we suck and Jameis sucks too. It’s a sad ass cycle of suck and it needs to stop. Why did Licht gets an extension? He loses worse than Dom! And Dom wasn’t allowed to spend $$!
Jason and Jameis can both go to the redskins or bengals, to join joe’s Fav, “butt Andy Dalton” lol
November 18th, 2019 at 9:15 pm
Someone on BucsNation posted this idea, which I found quite interesting:
~”If Arians and the Bucs hierarchy strongly feel that Jameis is their “franchise QB” going forward, why on earth would they leave him in a game, already hurt, and hopelessly behind, perhaps risking his long-term health in a lost game where he had already been hit many times.”
OTOH, if they have ALREADY DECIDED to move on, perhaps they left him in the game to unofficially tank the rest of the season to improve their draft position.
Perhaps that is why the game plans seem so puzzling, and why Cameron Brate has not been utilized till yesterday, and why Jamel Dean sat this game out.
Just a thought?
tickrdr
November 18th, 2019 at 9:15 pm
Fair point about the learedship qualities and I agree……But could you also say that Brady’s leadership would have spearheaded eventual SuperBowl run if he were draft to say a Browns or Lions team…..or God forbid a Bucs team?
Can’t take any credit away from Brady at all but something tells me the Patriots orginizations had leadership coming from more places then just the QB position……..Willie McGinist comes to mind right away. One of my favorite talking heads. Everytime I listen to the guy you get that sense that he has them leadership qualities…….How about Bruschi or Wilfork or Harrison?……..Heck even Logan Mankins came into Tampa and made a difference to those he played next to.
November 18th, 2019 at 9:16 pm
Said it before and will say it again…..JW3 is clearly a middling NFL QB, vs being ELITE. No argument here. But JW3 is better than most believe….
With that said, it will take the JW3 HATERS, 2-3 seasons with another TB QB, to roll back around to the “days of Bucs scoring 25-35 pts/game” and getting accustomed to a Bucs offense that might post 10-17 pts/game. Meaning no wins, with this D.
FANS – Our DEFENSE is the issue…..opposing backup QB’s have Career games vs Bucs, for last 5 yrs. NO TB QB can rescue this D…..we got lucky vs RAMS.
Move past JW3 INTS….please, I get that. How much is that on play-calling? Byron is a good guy, but learning as he goes. Why does BL, not target ME13 or Godwin, constantly, vs our non-pro bowl talent? Why constantly RUN RoJo or Peyton right up the freaking middle, for 1 yard, every first down??/??
Do we have any motion plays, in the arsenal?
I give up, and hope JW3 is 1) not resigned, 2) gets a chance to play for a real team…
Fans will be left with a rookie QB, who will struggle mightily with our D. Oh well
As posted on board — Its a Bucs Life…. so wish for Jon Gruden!
November 18th, 2019 at 9:18 pm
I don’t always agree with Joe, but his statement on comments for articles after losses, but views after wins really hit home for me. I mostly comment here to vent about another horrible loss. I have to admit, it does make me feel slightly better.
November 18th, 2019 at 9:19 pm
@Bucs Bandit brings up a great point. It seems like BA is avoiding at all cost bringing Ryan Griffen on the field. HMMMM!
November 18th, 2019 at 9:23 pm
Im not avoiding nothin! I am hust tryin to protect POOW BABY WINNIE-POOH FROM CWYING!
November 18th, 2019 at 9:25 pm
Enjoy the draft debates but I don’t follow college ball so I don’t never have a strong opinion……..Which I think ends up being a good thing so I don’t have to hate our pick before they every play a down like half the posters seem too.
I get to wait til they officially suck as a Buccaneer til I hate them. Haha.
November 18th, 2019 at 9:30 pm
Jimmy Jack,
You’re a damn genius for not investing in watching college football. I use a free web site that you can do mock drafts. It’s wonderful and gives me an idea of the prospects, their ratings, the draft board, etc. it’s torture based on Licht’s b0ner for all the wrong DBs.
November 18th, 2019 at 9:31 pm
I don’t get how Licht doesn’t value trenches and pass rush. It’s the foundation to winning. If you don’t have Pat Mahomes or Lamar Jackson, Aaron Rodgers, then you need the horses to rush their pass and block.
November 18th, 2019 at 9:32 pm
Jimmy Jack,
My dream job would be to be a scout for the Bucs. I love watching football and as painful as it is to a Buc fan, there’s no other team for me. We are Cleveland bad, with half the media coverage lol.
November 18th, 2019 at 9:40 pm
Newsflash: All this talk about keeping Jameis or cutting the cord is irrelevant … we can’t afford Jameis in 2020. He’s history. In actuality we couldn’t afford to keep him THIS year, but no one had the cojones to move on, and so now we sit again in the NFC South basement. Right now we’re paying the price for making him the #1 pick back in 2015; and that ‘price’ this year is $21 mil. All by itself that’s over 10% of our salary Cap. Has his play in 2019 REALLY been worth that?
But there’s more that came along with the Jameis decision, much more. Weapons for Winston for one. And we could include the cost of a decent OLine to protect him someplace in that category. Of course we had to keep Mike Evans and Cam Brate at megabucks. But this year the ‘weapons’ are now a little cheaper because we had to get rid of DJax & Humphries … too expensive. So here we sit with the 2nd most expensive OLine in the NFL, with the Ancient Mariner as our RT, a 3rd Round newbie as our RG, no worthwhile receivers beyond ME13, Godwin & Brate, and a meh RB stable. And oh ya, an inexpensive defense with a college Secondary as a consequence of putting all our $$$ into a support team for Jameis.
We can fix this mess in 2020, but NOT if we re-sign Jameis for more big bucks. We need to put what money we have into building the trenches for starters, then adding some experience to our Secondary (we don’t have any depth right now anyways). Add a decent power-back to complement RoJo and find a QB who can run a balanced attack. Time to move on.
The irony is that in 2020 Jameis will be the one we can’t afford. And rightfully so. If you build a solid TEAM … on offense AND defense … it doesn’t take an expensive, elite QB to run it.
November 18th, 2019 at 9:42 pm
Yeah let’s just rip the band-aid off and cut him now. Let’s move on to the next scapegoat fellas. Who’s it gonna be next year when Jameis is gone. Come on guys let’s get a head start on the list. White, Vea, Evans, the next QB, D. Smith oh I got it Ryan Jensen. Am I on the right track fellas, Im not good at this but I’m sure you guys will pick me up as that’s what you do best, ignore what happens and just blame the guy everyone tells you to blame. Oh that’s right I should just ask the media who they blame cause that’s all you guys do anyways, my bad.
Oh sorry back to it who’s to blame next year when we suck again and Jameis is gone? I need to start hating him now?
November 18th, 2019 at 9:49 pm
Ndog,
I am sorry. I don’t mean to be rude or over blaming Jameis. It’s been a long time coming and it’s just not happened. Why not let it run it’s course the next six games.
It sucks Jameis’ inconsistency the last few years has removed our playoff hopes quicker.
November 18th, 2019 at 9:50 pm
Crazy how recruiting/Drafts end up. Pat Mahomes ends up at Texas Tech vs a “Major College’….Really??? Imagine PH at Alabama or other “Big time” schools. Total miss on his skill set by all the “bigs”
Fast forward to NFL Draft. Andy Reid recognized Mahome talent. Gotta give props to Reid!
Mahomes is REAL generational talent….. NFL QB evals are changing in front of us. (See Lamar)
JW3 is a QB who cannot succeed, absent of talented team surrounding him. TB is not that team, and time for both parties, to cut ties at end of season.
TB will realize success again, when they invest in talented D…..will take many years.
JW3 will be a clipboard holder next year….yet, I do predict that JW3 will end up being successful as a franchise QB, with team who invests in Defense….because JW3 can put points on the board (which TB will miss)
My 2 cents….
November 18th, 2019 at 9:54 pm
At least the Red Zone Channel allows us to see some decent football on Sundays.
November 18th, 2019 at 9:58 pm
REDZONE BA Fan Says: JW3 is a QB who cannot succeed, absent of talented team surrounding him. TB is not that team, and time for both parties, to cut ties at end of season.
I love the expectations of this guy above. No one in the history of the game has won without talent around them yet Jameis needs to go because we don’t win. Do you guys even read what you type before you post it?
November 18th, 2019 at 10:01 pm
Ndog,
There is so much talent around Winston, and the Bucs spend the majority of their cap space on offense. It is expected by the resources, that this team would be carried by its offense.
Yesterday, there was a pick on OJ-next play 16yd TD to MThomas. Then, a pick six. I’m really tired of the defense getting blamed when the offense has so, so many friggin giveaways.
November 18th, 2019 at 10:02 pm
Ndog,
Four pick sixes this year. 4 lost fumbles 18 ints. 30+ sacks.
It’s. Just. Not. Working. I am sorry dude.
November 18th, 2019 at 10:02 pm
@Ndog — MORE than happy to respond.
Confused w/your response. What is your question or issue, with my post? Again, I am more than happy to respond…Is it JW3 failures? or what?
And yes, I read what I type, before I post.
November 18th, 2019 at 10:07 pm
This machines kid must be garbage. He got a 36 qbr, a pick and just 63 yards in the first half. Oh wait another turnover. He must not be the one.
November 18th, 2019 at 10:08 pm
Like I sad SteveK let’s cut him tonight! So my friend who is going to be the next guy we blame for everything? I want to get started on the smear campaign, ignore facts, and obsolve every other player of any mistakes. Please let me know as I want to get started ASAP?
November 18th, 2019 at 10:15 pm
How many times does the defense have to run out to save his ass? How long do the linemen have to block for him as he looks around and not deliver the ball?How long has it taken him to learn to throw a few balls away? Come on you just can’t keep making the same mistakes its been 5 freaking years. We brought in the best receivers we could find. Nothing works. We gotta get over this 5 year experiment and move on.
November 18th, 2019 at 10:15 pm
So SteveK you seriously believe that our offense is anything close to being the problem on this team? Really you actually believe that? I mean seriously oh my goodness you actually believe this defense is anything other than one of the worst ever? How can you actually say that bro I know we go back and forth but really?
November 18th, 2019 at 10:17 pm
Ndog,
Lovie has been fired, so has Koetter. Now, I can see Licht going because of the rosters current state compared towards cap hits.
I firmly believe that if we can combine less turnovers committed with money spent of defensive linemen, then we will be in good shape.
Out of curiosity, how many of the interceptions were the fault of Jameis? Obviously OJ’s is on OJ. But the others are meh.
And the fumbles, time to get rid of the ball, sacks, etc.
If we haven’t won more than nine games in a season in three years, then that’s awful.
The pass defense gets torched and it’s in large part exposed because of Jameis’ turnovers.
November 18th, 2019 at 10:18 pm
You guys do realize that with this defense and running game if we bring in a lesser QB we will literally lose every game 45-3 or something like that don’t you? Like the only reason we have a chance right now is the passing game, you get that don’t you? I’m being serious you understand that right?
November 18th, 2019 at 10:18 pm
Jameis Winston and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers are tragic in every sense of the word
November 18th, 2019 at 10:18 pm
@NDOG
Jameis if not tagged, will be the most coveted free agent QB in the history of the NFL.
November 18th, 2019 at 10:18 pm
Ndog,
Yesterday the defense held the saints to two field goals early, and then we turned it over (on oj) and then three more turnovers.
November 18th, 2019 at 10:20 pm
Watch we cut him & he go succeed just like any other buc that’s left lol.. this line gone keep dooming the team because those edge guys just can’t cut it.. If im jaboo I wanna get the hell outta Tampa! If the team wins it’s a team win f they lose its on him.. go play for a team that’s structured properly & doesn’t make bone-headed decisions.. it’s crazy how they had this man gain weight because they knew he would get hit more 🤔.. also crazy that they knew this line was bad and still went and ran w/ it expecting gold results, I also find it crazy how we saw Donovan smith wasn’t a good LT and decided to pay him but that goes unsaid.. just bone-headed move after bone-headed move! Why draft mj then turn around & get mike edwards? You telling me you can’t find a project RT in the 3-5 rounds ? It’s amazing how the line has been ignored.. yeah ! The Bucs have paid players but they haven’t gotten it done but that continues to be something that’s scraped under the rug by the organization!
November 18th, 2019 at 10:21 pm
Yes, the offensive turnovers are a problem.
14 points yesterday directly off turnovers: on OJ pick and then Jameis pick 6.
Lost by 17.
It’s just damn ridiculous. And I feel bad for Winston. He played hurt, but it still
Doesn’t excuse turnovers.
November 18th, 2019 at 10:21 pm
Ndog,
So what about Ryan Fitzpatrick? He can win on this roster.
November 18th, 2019 at 10:22 pm
Couldn’t resign Fitzmagic bc Jameis can’t handle completion. And he’s be playing by now, considering the awful turnover numbers.
November 18th, 2019 at 10:22 pm
@Ndog – to be clear – I am a JW3 FAN! JW3 puts points on the board, in ways that have not happened in TB history, forever…
I believe so much of JW3 career issues, are rooted in our lack of D. And THAT is why I believe that JW3’s only chance of having an NFL career – means that JW3 has to move on to a team w/a real D.
JW3 consistently, since his rookie year, has put up 25+ pts/game. For most teams, results in W’s.
But BUCS D – We give up average of 35/pt/gm…..Bucs D makes $$$ for every backup/rookie QB….Sad stats…. just review QB rating…on any statistical analysis…vs Bucs D
And expect our QB, to overcome…..yeah, right!!!!!!
Good Luck TB FANs, with rookie QB!
November 18th, 2019 at 10:23 pm
Can’t handle competition*
November 18th, 2019 at 10:23 pm
98 turnovers in 4+ years isn’t winning football.
November 18th, 2019 at 10:28 pm
Oh my goodness you are serious. So SteveK let me ask you this. What happened in the Giants, Rams, Seahawks and first Saints game? None of those games had any impactful TOs yet the defense was lit up.
Giants 336 passing 2TDs (1Buc TO the resulted in nothing)
Rams 517 passing yards 2 TDs 3 picks (1Buc TO where the defense never got on the field)
Seahawks 378 yards 5 TDs (1Buc TO that cost 3 points and basically 1 minute)
Saints 314 3 TDs 1 pick (no Buc TOs)
November 18th, 2019 at 10:34 pm
Ryan Fitzpatrick was 4-6 as a starter for the Bucs so no he didn’t win here. No one can win here period.
November 18th, 2019 at 10:35 pm
Fire 🔥 LICHT
Glazers Suck A$$
Ray Jay is not even a home team stadium.
If you are not rooting for Bucs to LOSE every single game the rest of the year
YOU ARE AN IDIOT
ALSO furthermore if you don’t understand why we want Winnie-Pooh needs to throw INTs
And Poo la cama
Then your an IDIOT
the ONLY and I mean ONLY chance we have to get rid of this franchise killing ATM is with public outcry and the scared Glazers to be embarrassed by repeated takeovers of RayJay by opposition fans
Me for One LOVE IT WHEN announcers like Chris SpielmanN ROAST WINNIE-POOH
because even though it’s unfair to put all the blame on this kid
It’s the only way we can get rid of him.
November 18th, 2019 at 10:36 pm
Ndog,
Let’s go over this for the 7,418,289th time…
NO ONE is blaming all the Bucs losing on Jameis Winston. NO ONE. Got that? N-O O-N-E.
We all know our Defense sucks and we have other issues, like an inconsistent rushing attack.
But with that being said, the QB position *CAN* and should be independently evaluated. Otherwise, that’s like saying if Josh Freeman or Ryan Leaf or Jamarcus Russell where our QB, let’s not worry about trying to improve the QB position if it’s being inconsistent and/or contributing negatively to the Offense somehow… let’s just “stick with it” and even reward it with an expensive salary cap-hit extension or franchise tag.
Sorry, but THAT’S DUMB.
Jameis Winston has played VERY POORLY. He has had 5 years now to improve and he’s not getting it done. His turnovers DO contribute heavily to us losing and makes things worse. There’s a reason Fitzpatrick had some decent games with this offense yet was let go.
There is ZERO evidence that if we replace Jameis that we’d lost every game 45-3. It certainly didn’t happen when Fitzpatrick replaced him last season. In fact, Fitz won some games and put up some big numbers with this same Offense (minus D-Jax this season).
You can’t honestly tell us that all of our total passing yards and scoring are being done in “Crunch Time” when the game matters. Just like against the Saints in this recent game, we were down THREE SCORES when Jameis went from like 180 yards total passing to over 300 yards. Same thing happened last time we played the Saints… Jameis had very few yards but was left in the game to rack up easy yardage against a soft Defense knowing the game was already over; yet Jameis threw that meaningless TD late in the game to Godwin.
Jameis has put up some solid yards and scoring at times when the game DID matter. He played great against the Rams. He also played well against the Giants (even though they’re one of the worst defenses in the NFL). BUT… if you can’t admit that a lot of his production numbers are happening when the game is already out of hand and pretty much over, then you’re being DISHONEST. He’s racked up a lot of his yards and TDs in his career when the game was already out of reach.
Jameis’ turnover problem IS a liability to the team. If you can’t grasp the concept and value of FIELD POSITION as well as letting our Defense get more REST, then you really know very little about football.
So stop using a ‘strawman’ argument that Jameis is cranking out all this yardage and TDs and yet it’s only because of the Defense that he doesn’t have enough time to score enough for them to win (or can’t overcome THEIR deficits).
This season, with Jameis in his 5TH YEAR… how many times is he marching down the field in our first 3 possessions of a game and scoring a TD? How many times in those first few possessions is he turning the ball over and giving the other team a short field and easy chance to put up early points, often giving them the lead and forcing us to play ‘catch-up’ from very early on?
If you FAIRLY analyze those questions above then you’d know that Jameis is NOT a very good NFL QB. He ranks towards the bottom of most ratings (QBR and standard QB rating) as well as turnover problems. The dude just isn’t that great.
Winston’s occasional nice drives and ‘yardage’ don’t make up for his turnovers, bad decisions, and when his accuracy is having problems.
I’ve said it before… Winston is like a golfer that can score 5-6 birdies in a round, but he also has 3 triple-bogeys. No golf pro will win tournaments doing that. He’s had FIVE YEARS and isn’t getting any better in the turnover department.
ALL HE NEEDS IS RUSHING ATTACK! He had one. Doug Martin, 1,400+ yards. Winston mustered a mighty SIX wins that season. So that doesn’t hold water.
ALL HE NEEDS IS A BETTER O-LINE! Our O-Line ranked above average last season for Pass Protection across the entire NFL. Yet still… excuses for Winston.
OH… OH… HE JUST NEEDS A BETTER DEFENSE! What the hell does that have to do with him scoring points? The Defense isn’t on the field when he has the ball.
Dude… you can continue to make all the excuses in the world for Jameis… but he just isn’t that good. He’s inconsistent. Commits too many turnovers. Has accuracy issues from time to time. Holds the ball too long. Always looks uncomfortable in the pocket and has lousy footwork (always has). Clearly has trouble reading Defenses quickly… how often have you seen him call an audible and immediately deliver a QUICK PASS to take advantage of something?
THE JAMEIS WINSTON EXPERIMENT FAILED. It’s time for him to go and for the Bucs to move on. *Especially* due to his salary cap number that it would require to keep him (even if he didn’t stink as bad as he does). BOTH of those things point to getting rid of him as the best, smartest strategic move for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
November 18th, 2019 at 10:37 pm
This discussion about the wonderful offense vs. the terrible defense blowing leads is always very humorous to me.
As the excellent poster, Defense Rules, often points out, the Bucs spend more than 98 million dollars of their total cap for 23 players on the offense, the HIGHEST in the league.
The total for 24 players on the defense is 58 million dollars, which is 39 million dollars less than spent on the offense! (For the math-challenged)
Winston accounts for the largest percentage of dollars spent on the offense.
The next three highest paid are Mike Evans, Donovan Smith and Ali Marpet, who account for ~ 36 million of the total.
Now, suppose we took those three players off the offense, and used their money to sign the two or three top-dollar defensive players. Same money spent, but different focus on building the team.
Exit Question: How would Winston and the offense fare with those three players off the offense, and would our “terrible, no-good” defense fare any better than now?
tickrdr
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tickrdr Says:
November 16th, 2019 at 1:17 pm
Now I agree that Jason Licht has not signed very many quality free agents and the reasons are likely myriad.
My point is that if you took the 39 million MORE being spent on players on OFFENSE, and spent it on players on DEFENSE, (even recognizing that Licht would likely not sign the best of those free agents), then the offense would be much worse off, and that the defense would almost necessarily be better.
With the “weapons for Winston” campaign, the offense is SUPPOSED to be much better than the defense, since that is where the majority of the resources (cap dollars) are being spent!
tickrdr
November 18th, 2019 at 10:37 pm
“Buccaneers 2020 Draft pick 5 or less Crew”
November 18th, 2019 at 10:39 pm
You can keep saying 98 TOs but you good and well know roughly 30 of those were not his fault. Getting hit while throwing, people running wrong routes and ridiculously bad snaps a QB cannot control.
See this is what blows me away you people see everyone on this team players making mistakes week after week after week yet you can’t just admit people can run wrong routes, make poor snaps or miss blocks. Yes Jameis messes up but this team makes mistakes everywhere at an alarming rate yet you only say 98 TOs like those are all in the QB. ITS RIDICULOUS.
November 18th, 2019 at 10:39 pm
@SteveK JW3 can handle whatever……get real, Dude. JW3 is for real, Team Leader!
Fitz issues were driven by DJax. Djax was so happy w/his initial stats, that he tried to railroad JW3, and created internal team issues. Koetter was spineless leader, who NEVER wanted JW3 as the #1pick……PERFECT STORM… Result – BAD 2018
I am pissed, that Bucco Bruce is allowing Byron Leftwich to “learn as he goes”… Total BS, and Glazers should demand explanation! Non-existent game planning, to have best players getting the ball.
November 18th, 2019 at 10:40 pm
Anyone that thinks the mighty Jameis Winston is the only one that can put up big numbers with Mike Evans and Chris Godwin needs their head examined.
November 18th, 2019 at 10:46 pm
The Offensive line is a complete joke, we don’t even try to run the ball anymore. The one DB that appears to have the size, speed plays the best game of any DB this year the previous week, doesn’t even see the field the following week. Dare who I like plays 20 times the snaps that our 1st string and 2nd string RB play. Our best TE has been riding the pine all year. Dammit Jameis!!
November 18th, 2019 at 10:46 pm
Y’all gotta quit fighting amongst yourselves.
Love him or hate him, Jameis is a gamer and he wants to win.
Not sure if he will ever be a winning QB but he has been the best chance this franchise has ever had in the modern era.
THIS ALL FALLS ON THE FRANCHISE!!!
Could a HOF QB in his prime come in and take this team to the summit? Maybe, but where’s he at?
Could a rookie QB come in and take this team to the summit? Maybe, but where’s he at?
Could a journeyman veteran QB come in and take this team to the summit? Maybe but where’s he at? (Didn’t the Giants give Glennon something like $18 million only to trade up in the draft for Trubisky?)
This ROTTEN STENCH is far beyond just Jameis.
There is NO EASY, CHEAP FIX for this team.
The Tampa Bay Buccaneers have been run into the GROUND by the WORST GM IN THE NFL over SIX YEARS!!!!!!
If they were $40 million under the CAP, I could find hope but they’re not.
They’re less than $8 million under the CAP and in need of a complete overhaul.
FIRE JASON LICHT!!!!!
FIRE THIS IDIOT NOW!!!!
My god, this situation is so hopeless.
But yeah, keep fighting over the QB.
Much deeper issues here fellas, much deeper.
November 18th, 2019 at 10:47 pm
Hey Ndog,
How come you don’t run your mouth about Winston’s QBR anymore? You used to love that rating. Now that he ranks 21st in the league based on QBR you sure have gone awfully quiet. And based on standard QB Rating he’s 27th. Both are terrible for a reason.
I’d be willing to bet if you remove all the yardage/TDs from games when the Bucs are down by 2+ scores in the 4th quarter, Winston probably ranks DEAD LAST in the league in most rankings and our scoring/yardage is also average or even below average.
November 18th, 2019 at 10:48 pm
I’m really going to miss Jameis eating them W’s before the games
November 18th, 2019 at 10:49 pm
Elliot,
That’s a terrible ‘whataboutism’ argument. That’s like saying if Ryan Leaf was our QB right now that we shouldn’t worry about the QB position and just keep him (even paying him an expensive extension) because we have so many other issues as well.
Terrible logic.
November 18th, 2019 at 10:51 pm
Yeah the defense has been ignored, ok:
Vea first round pick
Hargraves first round pick
White first round pick
Davis second round pick
Stewart second round pick
JPP traded a 3rd rounder for him (former 1st round pick)
Dean third round pick
Evans second round pick
Edwards third round pick
Suh free agent (former first round pick)
Barret free agent (leads the NFL in sacks)
LVD resigned to a big $ deal
Beckwidth third round pick
November 18th, 2019 at 10:52 pm
Just to PROVE that I’m not biased…
Stop the narrative about how many TO’s aren’t Winston’s fault!!!
If you’re going to play that game, you need to extend the formula to every other WB in the league.
THIS INFIGHTING AND LACK OF COMMON SENSE IS WHY OUR PARTISAN GOVERNMENT CAN’T GET ANYTHING DONE!
This type of crap is why FOX and CNN have ratings.
STOP IT FELLAS!!!
November 18th, 2019 at 10:56 pm
Ndog,
Stop using the Defense as an excuse for Winston’s poor play.
The Defense isn’t even on the field when Winston has the ball and bumbles, stumbles around and often turns it over or fails to score when the game matters most early in the game.
The Defense also doesn’t have anything to do with starting FIELD POSITION for the other team, yet Winston does and often contributes negatively to that factor.
YET… YET… YET…
You never seem to want to talk about that stuff? I wonder why?
It’s simple… you’re an overly biased, hypocrite. Plain and simple.
You’re the Flat Earther of a Jameis fan and your cognitive bias clouds reasonable judgment of reality.
November 18th, 2019 at 10:57 pm
Correct ElioT just like those networks these people have a agenda. They don’t care about this team they just care about getting one player removed from it regardless of what the end result is.
November 18th, 2019 at 10:58 pm
@BucsBandit Actually – YES! JW3 is way better, than you believe. The kid takes chances, that most QB’s will not take. And ends up in big plays…that is why his stats bear results that are top at NFL.
And YES, JW3 chances, results in too many INT’s. But….do YOU KNOW the expected routes? What I do know about JW3, is that he will always cover for his receivers or others, during press conferences. That is what QB leaders, do…
I also ask the board this question? Why receivers for other teams have 5+yards separation (i.e. Saints) , and Bucs receivers are always swamped? Hmmnnn Mike Evans is pretty good. Why can we not design plays to get ME14 wide open? Or Godwin?
makes me CRAZY!
November 18th, 2019 at 10:58 pm
@BucsBandit (see I took the time to spell your name correctly out of respect).
I’m not a Jameis fan or hater.
It’s a roller coaster, always has been and I can see all sides.
To compare Winston to a complete and utter mentally unstable BUST like Leaf is really ignorant.
I respect your opinion, but please take a few minutes to read my post before you see “Jameis Support” and immediately try to bash me.
We’re all Bucs fans (at least we should be, or else why would you be here)…
It’s not just about Jameis.
November 18th, 2019 at 11:01 pm
It is simple with a slightly below average defense this year we would be 6-4 right now at worst with nothing else being different. That is pretty simple, I think even you can understand that Bandit, well maybe.
November 18th, 2019 at 11:07 pm
MAYBE JAMEIS SUCKS?
MAYBE JAMEIS HASN’T HAD ENOUGH AROUND HIM?
One thing is for sure.
THIS FRANCHISE IS A COMPLETE EMBARRASSMENT AND HAS BEEN FOR OVER A DECADE!!!!!
Especially over the last six years under this absolute moron of a GM.
My god, look at the personnel decisions, look at the dead money spent on players and coaches, the wasted draft picks, etc…
There is no culture here… None!
Bring in Brady, Rodgers, Manning along with all world offensive lines, and a modern dominant defense, this team would still lose.
TOXIC CULTURE.
It’s like a horribly run company that’s slowly but very surely going out of business.
“Who gives a ****?”
“As long as out check cash”
“I’ll find another team”
Never been so hopeless!!!!
November 18th, 2019 at 11:09 pm
@Ndog —AGREE 100%
NET to @NDOG – CORRECT! Like your post!
It is simple with a slightly below average defense this year we would be 6-4 right now at worst with nothing else being different. That is pretty simple, I think even you can understand that Bandit, well maybe.
November 18th, 2019 at 11:12 pm
@tmaxipad,
Jameis was set up to fail? Turnover? You mean being in the same offense for 4 years, having the OC in 2015 become the HC is turnover and being set up to fail?
Gotcha! Makes a lot of sense.
November 18th, 2019 at 11:18 pm
Joe, you’re analysis shows that Jameis is who he always is- consistently inconsistent.
He makes great athletic plays, and he makes bonehead plays, but the one constant is he loses twice as much as he wins.
And the main reason for the losses is turnovers, not always his fault, but usually.
The reality is- he’s not going to stop making turnovers, so he won’t win.
November 18th, 2019 at 11:18 pm
I hope JW3 and Bucs separate at end of year. For benefit of both!
For Bucs FANS, we will have a Rookie QB, who will need to score 30, to win any game, with our D. As much as you all hated JW3, at least he put up average of 28/pt/game. Love it or hate it, it was exciting.
Enjoy next 40 games, with average of 10/pts/game…..snoozer………..
November 18th, 2019 at 11:26 pm
I’ve been a diehard Bucs fan since I was eight years old (perhaps before but ‘92 is the first season I can remember listening to on the radio).
I’m 36 now and growing up with all the flag waiver kids (Cowboys, Packers, and soon to come Patriots, etc.) was tough.
I could never change my allegiance to this team.
I’d absolutely be glued to the radio on Sundays and a losses would bother me so much, they would carry over into the following week.
We had a decent run of hope, dominant defense and respectability with Dungy, capped off with the Gruden Super Bowl…
My father and I both were brought to tears when they hoisted that trophy. I hadn’t seen my father tear up prior to that moment, ever.
I looked up to real MEN like Brooks, Lynch etc.
We saw it all begin to crumble that Monday night comeback vs. the Colts.
I had a bad, bad feeling about that horrible loss to Manning and Dungy and this franchise has never recovered.
Even through all of that, I’ve never felt more disheartened than I am today.
There’s no reason for fans to fight over this team anymore.
Look at how low they’ve sunk.
I’m on the verge of hanging it up guys.
After 28 years and counting.
November 18th, 2019 at 11:31 pm
We all have a finite of hours on this earth.
Our brother Macabee’s passing makes it even more impactful.
What is this team truly worth to we, the real fans?
November 18th, 2019 at 11:34 pm
The Bills are 7-3. Most would say ity because of their D.
Josh Allen hasn’t thrown a pick since Oct 6.
November 18th, 2019 at 11:46 pm
For all those clamoring for Philip Rivers, hope you watched the game last night. Hes just an older, less mobile version if jameis.
November 18th, 2019 at 11:49 pm
Alanbucsfan Says:
November 18th, 2019 at 11:34 pm
The Bills are 7-3. Most would say ity because of their D.
Josh Allen hasn’t thrown a pick since Oct 6.
And Jameis is 10 times the QB he ever will be.
November 18th, 2019 at 11:50 pm
@alanbucsfan Allen has little to do with the bills winning. You sight his lack of turnovers ,but you neglect to mention they average 18 points a week. 18! You’d be crucifying jameis if this offense averaged that. And our defense gives up twice as many points as the bills defense. So yes, it is their defense winning games for them.
November 18th, 2019 at 11:52 pm
Turnover machine, morale killer, momentum deflator, perrenial loser but he scores points!!
November 18th, 2019 at 11:54 pm
He’s got more turnovers than Jay Cutler had in the same span. Enough said??
November 19th, 2019 at 12:04 am
@Ndog
You have a point about the “with a slightly below average defense” argument.
Also, you must realize that turnovers are a HUGE part in the game and impact defensive stats greatly:
Saints:
6 Total Turnovers
Best Ranking in the NFL
8-2 Record
Favorite for the NFC #1 seed (Even our tough-guy HC admitted so lol)
Bucs:
25 Total Turnovers
Worst ranking in the NFL (Just in-front of the NYG)
3-7 Record
Favorite for the NFC South Basement… Again!
Yes, I realize that the 3-7-1 Cardinals are #3 in the fewest TO rankings.
However, the Rams (18) and 49ers (17) are the only teams ranked in the bottom 10 in terms of most TO’s.
_____________________________________________________________
How different would the Bucs defense look if they had to deal with 19 less turnovers?
*Just to be clear, I’m not saying all of the TOs are Winston’s fault.
The answer is: We have no idea, this TEAM (as a majority) is complete S***!
November 19th, 2019 at 12:10 am
This whole:
“You’re either with Winston or against Winston” crap MUST STOP!
November 19th, 2019 at 12:12 am
@CGmaster27,
Josh Allen has little to do with their winning, but a lot to do with them not losing. You need a stellar defense and an avg QB who doesn’t contribute to the points being chased.
Both the QB and defense need to be upgraded. If the defense was top 3, do you think Jameis throws less INTs? His turnovers are a fundaMENTAL problem. I don’t care if you need to score 30+ points, the QB has to play smart football. Jameis doesn’t do that. He plays hero/selfish ball, always trying to do more than he has to. If you can’t play to win, at least play not to lose. You can’t contribute to the points being chased and point a finger at the defense.
November 19th, 2019 at 12:30 am
Elliott, thank you for saying what you did. It hit home because this team will constantly beat you down and make you wonder why you support them and spend your hard earned on them.
A number of times I thought I was done but short of this team moving, I think this is a life sentence for me.
I just took my son (almost 4 yo) to his first game vs the Saints and luckily he didn’t really know who was winning or how bad we were getting out butts kicked.
The fan based is so divided with Jameis it makes this site’s comment section a toxic cesspool of hate. There’s no hope and no way out of this mess because as a Bucs fan, my expectations are that the next guys will just put a bow on this turd and sell us some snake oil and it’s all the SOS.
I like Jameis, but how the heck does he succeed here? I’ve watched this mans spirit get beat down for years as he battles his opponents and own fan base on a daily basis. If I’m his dad, his agent, his mama, whoever, I’m telling him to head for greener pastures; which is anywhere else.
November 19th, 2019 at 12:33 am
Winston has NOT improved.
Every single red flag that he brought with him from FSU, both on and off the field has come to fruition with the Bucs. Still has all of the same bad habits.
Maybe Winston isn’t coachable.
November 19th, 2019 at 12:35 am
Even without a pick-6, a turnover gives the other team a short field. Puts the already crappy defense behind an 8-ball. Swings the points in the other direction. Shifts momentum in a game. Gives the other team points early and makes us chase creating a one-dimensional offense.
What about this doesn’t make sense??????!!! We want to blame the defense and absolve Jameis? So, the first 20 points the Saints scored were the defense’s fault? You can give 7 of those point to Juice and I’ll accept that. But the 13 points land squarely on the QB who put the defense in a short and tight spot.
Please give me your excuses.
November 19th, 2019 at 12:37 am
Nick2 Says:
November 18th, 2019 at 11:52 pm
Turnover machine, morale killer, momentum deflator, perrenial loser but he scores points!!
Do not agree @Nick2.
Preview of 2020 -2023 Seasons – w Rookie QB:
– 3-13 Pts/game on offense.
– Bucs Standard D – meaning 30 pts/game scored against Bucs
– Devin White and Vita Vea will be awesome. but no help in Pass D – same old Bucs
NET -absent of JW3, BUCS will have the fewest TO’s/game in league, and also the FEWEST points scored in our history. And ME13 will have lowest YRD/TDs in 6 yrs. and Bucs will still own the same losing record.
But YEAH! At least we dumped JW3….. QB who actually put points on the scoreboard….
Can we please BUY a Defense????? Or O-Line who gives a crap for the next QB?
November 19th, 2019 at 12:40 am
@Alaskan Abdominal Snowman,
Yes, the NY market will be more forgiving of his play. Good luck with the greener pastures.
The grass is always greener on the other side, until you go and step in dog doodoo.
This fanbase has been suffering for 12 years. So sorry but not sorry if we’ve had enough with the freebie passes on sh:t play.
I have higher expectations of my QB and team as a whole. There’s a lot of blame and improvement to go around. And the QB doesn’t live in a safety bubble cuz we want to feel sorry for him.
November 19th, 2019 at 12:54 am
@REDZONE BA Fan,
What a weak strawman argument. We were in the same situation when we drafted Jameis. Jameis didn’t come in and replace a HOFer. So, why can’t we let another QB try? You expect Dan Marino to show up on a silver platter?
There are so many QBs drafted after Jameis that are legitimately playing head and shoulders above Jameis. Just in TOs alone.
If we have to score points, we will score points with a capable rookie QB. But, more importantly, I hope a QB can grow into a mature player who plays within the system in the years to come. Jameis has not matured into a better QB.
We can’t afford subpar play at the level of pay Jameis will command. It’s a pure business decision to move on. What more is left to see? Can it get any worse with TOs?
Some of the points you’re talking about that we have to chase have come from TOs that put the defense in a short field.
I would rather roll the dice with a chance of finding a QB who doesn’t contribute to losing. We have seen Jameis and what he does when he has to come from behind. He is not a come from behind QB. He is a stay in front QB. I would rather have a QB who can play under any situation.
This offense has play makers. We need to give them a chance to make plays and score points. Many of the points on offense can be attributed to the hustle of the receiving end of a pass or run. Godwin’s touchdown on a horribly thrown ball against the Saints is a prime example. Yet, we want to hail Jameis’s yards and TDs. That’s laughable. You can’t clap with one hand.
November 19th, 2019 at 12:58 am
Although, you sure as heck can throw a pick with one hand!
November 19th, 2019 at 12:59 am
FWIW – see my posts in 2017… i was appalled that Jason L drafted OJ instead of Dalvin Cook in RD 1.
OK….Dalvin was still there, in RD 2, and Jason whiffed. Again!
Kirk Cousins is an ok QB….Dalvin makes him look awesome. imagine our team (TB) w a real running back threat, like Dalvin.
JW3 and TB offense is totally different, with Dalvin. JMHO…..Our putrid D, gets coverage for next few drafts…..
Jason L is horrible at evaluating talent! He has set this franchise back 5+ years…..
For some reason, maybe personal, JL likes small-school kids. I think he wants to be the guy that finds the next Walter Payton or Jerry Rice….
oh well….”It’s a Bucs Life”
November 19th, 2019 at 1:18 am
@lambchop – respectfully disagree. On so many points from your post. Will let them go.
However, I will concede that TB will move on from JW3 at end of year. Happy to discuss again, at end of 2020, 2021, 2022…
Meanwhile, I will probably be snoozing from boredom watching the Bucs on TV, from my couch….in 2020,2021, 2022…
JW3 is challenging for fans….but he averages 28/pts/game….better than the snoozers of past years….keeps me excited.
Welcome back – sleep-deprived fans! from 1PM-4Pm, for your afternoon naps!
Count me in! I was SO BORED for years – pre Jameis.
Oh well. Catch up on Delta Sleep patterns.
November 19th, 2019 at 1:19 am
DB55
Guess you dont have time for a little research
Per Pro football and ESPN statistics
Ryan Fitzpatrick started 10 games for the Bucs, in a 2 year span
His record was 4-6. 66%
Winston career record is 24-40. 60%
My opinions about Arians are based on watching the teams strategy with Winston, as I stated.
We’ll all know what Arians, and the team, thinks of Jameis- pretty soon
November 19th, 2019 at 1:44 am
Redzone is the master of the strawman logic.
Winston “takes chances” and that’s why he creates big plays? LOL. His avg. passing play per game is lower than average. He’s not throwing tons of long pass plays. Yet he’s still leading the league in turnovers.
Winston is a LIABILITY. Reality doesn’t lie. And he’s NOT leading the team to 28 points per game when the game IS ON THE LINE. At least 25% of those points are coming when the game is already out of reach, 2+ scores behind. You act like he’s usually leading us to close games with high scores. It’s the opposite. He sucks it up most of the game and along with the Defense has us trailing by multiple scores. They LET HIM throws tons of yardage underneath and usually yield some late-game TDs in the process because they’re running out the clock.
Winston is no where near as good as you think he is. A QB that throws for much less yardage but manages the game and takes care of the football better would lead us to more wins.
The INDISPUTABLE statistic in football that determines a winner more than any other data point is STARTING FIELD POSITION. Jameis Winston is more responsible than any other player on the team for opposing teams having a better starting field position on average and that is a 100% indisputable FACT.
November 19th, 2019 at 2:02 am
@Bucsbandit
Whatever, dude. I can make STATS work in my favor any-day….so can you…big whoopee!
The net is, BUCs have a loser record. And the real question, is WHY?
I have my thoughts, but who gives a sh_t about my opinion?
Personally, I know JW has TO issues, but stand by belief that JW is NOT the core reason BUCS are losing.
You? You blame JW -who helps put up 28/pt/game. I cannot wait, to watch for your posts over the next 4 years, when Bucs are posting 3-13/pts/game…… HMMM
And with this D….
I will probably use the boring BUCS Offensive game, to catch up on Delta Sleep time…..Thank you, Jason L!
November 19th, 2019 at 2:09 am
yeah Jameis doesn’t drive page clicks? …bs
November 19th, 2019 at 2:10 am
158 and counting
November 19th, 2019 at 2:11 am
and that’s just in comments ..doesn’t count people who don’t
November 19th, 2019 at 3:15 am
to sum it up gently but accurately :
jameis just might not be able to handle the mental load of being a starting nfl qb
#SimplyPut #SimpletoningAndMagooing
November 19th, 2019 at 3:49 am
Get Winston dick out of your mouth please… Why do you keep making excuses for his sorry ass! Like you said you can’t fix stupid…. And that is jameis and your excuses
November 19th, 2019 at 3:50 am
The usual suspects have all made great points.
As D.R. points out and Tickdr added our cap numbers are way out of balance…too much for the O and in particular JW.
Bottom line for me is that tiny hands cannot spin it! This is why his throws frequently wobble so much…I’m not making this stuff up. If you wish to see some analysis on the subject of all places Forbes Magazine did an in depth explanation.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/chadorzel/2015/10/05/football-physics-why-throw-a-spiral/#6fc54a52603f
I remember seeing JW entertain the kids at FSU on a youtube where he was able to throw the ball over wall and into the stadium. I was truly impressed. Problem is hitting the inside of a stadium with a cannon arm is not the same as hitting an NFL target in the hands with a tight spiral. JW doesn’t have it.
He has a LOT of OTHER things going for him…but he is simply not worth the money. Invest it in the rest of the team.
November 19th, 2019 at 3:56 am
DB55 Says:
November 18th, 2019 at 5:57 pm
Mark Cook made a great point today on dae. He said Carson Palmer threw 22 ints and still won 10 games. He said bc the cardinals def only gave up 19 ppg vs 32 ppg. He said regardless of the turnovers you can still win with a decent defense.
I read this, then looked at our game scores this year….We would be 8-2 right now with a 19 ppg defense!!
Only losses would be to San Fran and NO once
November 19th, 2019 at 4:38 am
Bucbandit: you are spot on with your comments about Joe Acosta. He will moderate, or even block you, if your views on JW does not match his. His moderation of ones comments is imposed as an attempt to have a comment far up the chat thread so that it is not seen. Control Freakish.
November 19th, 2019 at 5:15 am
Jeff George.
November 19th, 2019 at 5:42 am
@Ndog … “It is simple with a slightly below average defense this year we would be 6-4 right now at worst with nothing else being different.”
You’re exactly right Ndog. With a better defense our record would be better. Giants game is the perfect example. We lost 32-31 but our offense did everything right … put 31 points on the board. Won the TOP (33:12 to 26:48). Good rushing day … 144 yards. Good balance … 32 rushes & 37 passes. Offense put up 499 total yards & had only ONE turnover. SHOULD have been enough to win. And yet we didn’t. WHY?
Well, our defense gave up 32 points, that’s why. That’s horrible. Didn’t help that we had no JPP of course. Didn’t help that we started VHIII plus Davis, Whitehead & the rookie Edwards … who got ROASTED in that game, giving up 7 completions in 7 targets, 158 yards & 2 TDs. MJ Stewart & VHIII also got torched, giving up over 50 yards each on fewer targets. Only THREE total PDs in the whole game. Yuck.
And yet that very same defense did some good things. Held the Giants scoreless after Jameis’ 1 INT. That’s good. Forced TWO fumbles in the game, both resulting in short fields for our offense. We scored a TD on the 1st one & a FG on the 2nd one. Hmmm, 10 points. Held the Giants to 72 yards rushing on 19 attempts. That’s good too. Had 5 sacks on the day, plus 12 QB Hits & 6 TFLs.
So again, what went wrong? Well, being ahead 28-10 at the half and only scoring 3 points in the 2nd half while allowing the Giants to score 22 points in that same half for one thing. (Hint: THAT’S piss-poor coaching). Settling for FOUR FGs in the game AND missing the critical FG at the end of the game (Hint: THAT’S piss-poor coaching too). Plenty of blame to go around … on the offense, defense AND S/Ts … BUT we still lost. And that’s all that counted in the end to most fans, not HOW WE LOST or WHY WE LOST.
BTW, Giants were a weak opponent and we SHOULD have stomped them. Also SHOULD have beaten the Titans and the Seahawks. The Bucs’ defense is what it is … our young SECONDARY is a HUGE liability. The fact that we didn’t beat any of those 3 teams comes down to MISSED OPPORTUNITIES and PISS-POOR COACHING in those games. We COULD have been 6-4 right now, but guess what … we’d still be a bad team at this point in the season. Poorly constructed team with too many liabilities. , THAT’S on MANAGEMENT.
November 19th, 2019 at 6:41 am
Ole JW is NEVER going to change from being an ATM. 28 pics at FSU (over a 2 year period) and continues his $-it show into the NFL.
November 19th, 2019 at 7:07 am
Manning in his prime would look terrible with our OC and O-line.
Licht failure #176…..but who’s counting
November 19th, 2019 at 7:21 am
Fitzpatrick
Ten starts
4-6. 40%
Winston
64 starts
24-40. 37%
Math was off on previous post. I was tired
Signed Fitz off the street, better winning percentage, and QB rating, than Winston. With the same team.
Nuff said
November 19th, 2019 at 7:33 am
Jason Licht has had six years, with plenty of resources to build this team into a contender, and has failed. He needs to go, simple as that.
November 19th, 2019 at 8:15 am
Thanks ST PETE
Actually the small hands thing I recently found out about.
It’s definitely not the ideal size for football but it is perfect for groping
November 19th, 2019 at 8:39 am
All this is just noise, at the end of the day this is going to be a business decision.
In the long term, are the Bucs a 18 mil dollar plus player away from being competitive? (NO)
So the business side of football says let him go.
Draft a rookie in the 1st round (6 mil/yr?) not sure the pay scale.
Use the remaining 20 mil (if you were to franchise) to sign your leaders and fix problems.
November 19th, 2019 at 9:51 am
BucsBandit has more issues than Winston.
November 19th, 2019 at 10:33 am
I’ve been talking about Winston’s tiny hands for a while now. I also believe it’s a big reason why he drops the ball a lot. Even when he gets bumped it most times than not dislodges the ball and he throws with an empty hand.
Winston’s hand size is 9 3/8 inches, which is “not great, below the norm,” in Polian’s view. “9.5 is the norm, 10 is ideal.”.
November 19th, 2019 at 10:39 am
@lambchop ofcours jameis plays hero ball at times, have you not seen this defense the last 5 years? All of you anti jamies people just brush over what has been the worst defense in the nfl 5 years running. Oh and not to mention a running game that is just as bad, but yeah he shouldnt try to hard even though every other facet of this team sucks.
November 19th, 2019 at 10:41 am
@captiantim not one person took that ridiculous comment on ociking fitz up as anything but weak trolling. Its true, most bucs fand are dumb as a door.
November 19th, 2019 at 1:23 pm
When a QB doesn’t turn the ball over, it doesn’t make him a great QB or even a great athlete , but it does mean the team has a fighting chance to win every game.
If Jameis didn’t throw so many interceptions, the Bucs would win 3-4 more games every year.
True, the D is not playoff caliber, you could say the Secondary sucks…now, but turnovers kill your chances at winning. It’s statistical fact.
And Jameis is and has been a turnover machine (except for the infamous 5 games in 2016)
3 coaches- same thing- he is who he is- not an NFL winning QB
November 19th, 2019 at 1:41 pm
Jameis has thown 19 TD’s this year, averaging a whole 1.9 TD’s per game or less than 14 points. He sure is a world beater.
November 20th, 2019 at 7:25 am
@Cgmaster27,
If the defense sucks, that gives the QB a license to sh:t all over the field and make it worse? Or does it give him the license to give the defense a shorter field to defend?
When you get lauded for yards and TDs that WRs, TEs, RBs don’t get half the credit for, you better be ready to take your disproportionate share of the blame too. When the going is good, everyone wants to pay the QB. When the going isn’t so good, we come ready with canned excuses.
Carson Wentz has a really good defense, but he has single-handedly held that team back this year. Does that resonate a little?