Did Arians Expect To Lose?
November 4th, 2019
Odd postgame comments.
Joe has already touched upon the curious comments Bucs coach Bucco Bruce Arians made in his postgame remarks yesterday when it seemed he was touting moral victories.
In Joe’s eyes, in the NFL, speaking about moral victories is downright immoral.
Now here was a quote Arians had where he lauded the hustle of the Bucs yesterday. The full quote.
“I can’t be more prouder of our guys,” Arians said. “To have the injuries we had at the last second and to go out there and take this team to overtime. This is a hell of a football team. This speaks volumes about our guys. A play or two, we were just a play or two and we win last week and we win this week. I said earlier, at one time we had six rookies in on a couple of snaps and they held their own.”
Well, the Bucs had five rookies for a few snaps on defense, but Joe gets the drift.
But read that full quote again. “To have the injuries we had at the last second and to go out there and take this team to overtime… “
Man, it sure seems like Arians thought his team was toast when Carlton Davis got hurt in warmups. To stand there and laud his team for taking a team to overtime, that says Arians did not expect his team to win.
Joe enjoys the candor, but Joe doesn’t remember too many coaches coming out and all but saying they were overcome with joy that their teams took an opponent to overtime.
Or, is Arians, like the rest of us, resigned to the fact his secondary is an embarrassment to football and thought that an injury to a penalty-prone, OK starter in the defensive backfield would cause his team to buckle?
November 4th, 2019 at 12:17 pm
BA letting JW bury himself so his secondary has experience next year and we get a REAL QB!
November 4th, 2019 at 12:19 pm
and who the hell expected this team to win this week Joe?
especially with JW at center, not that this week was all on him………
November 4th, 2019 at 12:19 pm
I think he’s just trying to keep his players from quitting on him and his staff.
No more, no less.
November 4th, 2019 at 12:20 pm
Games are won in the trenches. We will never be a contender again by wasting first round picks on LB’s and TE’s and 2nd round picks on kickers.
November 4th, 2019 at 12:20 pm
Far as a can tell from the comments. Most fans still like and trust BA.
Licht on the other hand…the comments are loaded with hatred.
Has Joe ever done a confidence poll on Jason Licht?
Seems more appropriate these days than a poll for Arians.
Unless one has an axe to grind over a first year Bucs head coach.
November 4th, 2019 at 12:25 pm
joe does confidence polls on GMs in by week and off season. I think there may be one more time.
November 4th, 2019 at 12:25 pm
Clearly you missed it.
November 4th, 2019 at 12:26 pm
Nonsense.
Joe does a confidence poll every week of the season on the coach. Been doing that for years. Thought you were a regular here and you didn’t know this?
November 4th, 2019 at 12:27 pm
I honestly believe BA couldn’t have fallen off this much and they are quietly looking for a top 5 pick while pretending to be competitive. Is there another excuse for putting dean out on an island by himself in his first start? They could easily played more zone or put help over the top for this young secondary.
November 4th, 2019 at 12:29 pm
Kicked puppy syndrome.
Bruce Arians is starting to realize that week after week he is setting up his young secondary to fail. You can ride their asses all you want and play tough coach, but they just weren’t talented enough to be day 1 or year 1 starters going up against the other teams number 1 receivers. What little confidence these rookies had coming out of their only training camp is killed week after week. It’s on coaching to recognize strengths and weaknesses and not toss these young guys into the deep end of the pool and say “good luck”. I see a secondary (outside of MJ Stewart) that has the potential to be good but they will have failure to launch if they are abused this badly early in their career.
Exhibit A: Vernon Hargreaves. Classic case of a puppy kicked so much he pees all over the carpet now.
November 4th, 2019 at 12:30 pm
Damn this dude is good with the excuses.
November 4th, 2019 at 12:30 pm
I told my kid when the Bucs scored with 40+ seconds in regulation that they should go for 2. He agreed. I really believe this coaching staff is tanking because there is no way this is a playoff team with this defense. BA and company are just trying to keep afloat until they can add more pieces. I think I read somewhere that they are the 2nd youngest team behind Miami. I knew there would be no playoffs this year as I had them at 8-8.
On the bright side we have played quite a few good teams.
Niners 8-0
Panthers 5-3
Giants 2-6
Rams 5-3
Saints 7-1
Panthers 5-3
Titans 4-5
Seahawks 7-2
Looking for improvement to end 2019.
November 4th, 2019 at 12:32 pm
Joe I thought for sure I didn’t see a confidence poll up for Koetter until his 2nd season….perhaps I’m wrong. Perhaps you did it from the get go…my bad.
November 4th, 2019 at 12:33 pm
DooshLaRue Says:
November 4th, 2019 at 12:19 pm
I think he’s just trying to keep his players from quitting on him and his staff.
No more, no less.
Exactly……BA is trying his best to show confidence in his younger players….he is taking the high road publicly…..no telling what he is saying to them privately.
I find it very interesting how Todd Bowles has escaped all the wrath….after all, he is the DC and our D is horrible.
November 4th, 2019 at 12:36 pm
I know I did….Jaboo was fine…stupid fumble aside. He played well, but the defense was once again a disaster. Todd Bowles is not the hero people have made him out to be. Did Suh play yesterday? He was McCoy-ish yesterday.
November 4th, 2019 at 12:38 pm
The game has passed BA by. All he has left is his enormous skill as a BS artist.
He should retire again and let this scam end.
Peace, out
November 4th, 2019 at 12:43 pm
I seen a noticable difference in the way this team played yesterday. Especially during the first 2 quarters we were playing very good football. Solid mistake free football. We played as well as any playoff team in many aspects yesterday.
I think that’s what Bruce is saying in this comment and I bet he is telling his team if they put together performances like we saw yesterday we will come out on the winning end most of the time.
But when you really nitpick at that game our fundamantel mistakes are not good enough still. But we’re much improved and if we build on it we are for sure headed in the right direction.
Of course I could have said the same thing after the Rams game and we went backwards after that…….They can actually build off of this loss in mine opinion. Hopefully that’s what they do and it won’t be another useless effort.
November 4th, 2019 at 12:44 pm
2 and 8 coming right up….expect that! next win may be against atlanta….
November 4th, 2019 at 12:45 pm
@87
I respect Arians personally a ton more than licht because he’s accomplished a ton more than Licht.
Licht has ignored the draft advice of the commentators on this site basically every year.
Licht and Dominik failed hard at building defenses or dominate trench play. That’s why we fail every year.
This year our defense looked OK for basically 2 weeks. They did pretty much win us the game against the Panthers, but they gave up 32, 31, 27, & 40 points in losses that the offense didn’t kill us (Giants/Saints/Titans/now Hawks). They gave up 40 against the Rams and the offense basically single handily won the game.
So here’s my score for midseason:
-games the defense lost 4
-games Winston lost 1 (Carolina)
-games the offense lost 1 (San Fran – since 2 turnovers were on skill position player)
-The Bucs record if the defense gives up the 2019 NFL scoring average of 22 points each week: 6-2 (losses first 2 weeks in this scenario)
-The Bucs record if kicker makes a kick, refs don’t screw us on a defensive TD, and we win the coin toss yesterday: 5-3
Pretty much same song and dance as every other year lately.
November 4th, 2019 at 12:49 pm
he should expect to lose he works for the glazers that’s their goals… fund as many retirement accounts as possible while collecting basement titles and dumb fans.
November 4th, 2019 at 12:50 pm
too old to coach…..
#savetheplanetMandatoryMaximumAge65
November 4th, 2019 at 12:53 pm
A few mental mistakes I remember yesterday that still gotta get cleaned up.
-Winston drops a snap on the 2 yard line. Literally drops it for no good reason. Cannot happen. Never.
-Very next play. Presnap pentalty that will can easily take points off board.
-D.White misses a tackle in the hole. Has one arm over the shoulder pads other arm around the RBs waist. This tackle must be made 100% of the time.
-Hudson drops a TD.
-Miller runs out of the field of play.
-Somebody takes away a TD run by Winston on a flag…….I was too mad after that and had to walk away so never saw who.
-A ST stiff runs directly into Ryan Smith and gives up a huge return.
Very hard to win football games like that. Still gotta play better all around.
November 4th, 2019 at 12:53 pm
Most don’t realize that the Seahawks only had 3 penalties yesterday…..that, coupled with a QB who has a 22-1 TD to Int ratio……will win every time.
We only had 6 penalties which is actually a huge improvement for us…..but they still hurt us.
November 4th, 2019 at 12:53 pm
looking over the web days ago, I did not see 1 person pick the Bucs to win…
I read 1 or 2 say it could be an upset game (or trap) but they ultimately picked Seahawks.
2-6 preparing for the Cardinasl in their home game after 2 months, I question whether they can win this game…. I originally saw this as a win..
if they lose this next game, the only chance I see them getting a win is against the Falcons which they play twice… I figure the Bucs win 1 and the Falcons win 1.. somewhere the Falcons will win another game so the win they get against the Bucs will be the Falcons shoving the Bucs right back down into the basement of the NFCS (there home) for yet another year!
November 4th, 2019 at 12:59 pm
And to all the nugglers I put Winstons error first because it was the first one I noticed. Chronological order so don’t try me.
But look at the next mistake and it was next play. Not a coincidence. Stupid mistakes by teammates get in your head. They affect the play of everyone around you. I bet a doctor could tell you that’s a fact too.
November 4th, 2019 at 1:02 pm
BA is just padding his 401k here in Tampa
Leftwich and Bowles are running this ship
November 4th, 2019 at 1:04 pm
TBBF and look at when them pentalties happened. We had zero for the entire first quarter.
The first pentalty we took might of been right after our first mistake of the game on the fumbled snap.
We were playing close to flawless until that point and went up 21-7. After that we started seeing more and more pentalties and mistakes seep in. This team has to learn how to break out of these slumps and overcome mistakes………Almost pulled it off yesterday. Thanks to our QB to be honest.
November 4th, 2019 at 1:05 pm
TBBF … If you look at the yardage associated with those penalties, they hurt bad. The boxscore shows us with 11 penalties for 82 yards. And 2 penalties were on deep passes (interference) and REALLY hurt us.
November 4th, 2019 at 1:07 pm
Loyal……You’re way off bro. Bruce aren’t one of them sellout types. He’s old school bro. He aren’t about playing games like that.
November 4th, 2019 at 1:09 pm
Well I certainly expected us to lose and I’ve started looking towards next year and he sounds a lot like I did aftwr the loss. Was like oh damn… they blew it ay the end then after was more like.. well nevwr expected them to win but hey they put uo a fight.. but like in typical bucs fashion where there’s a will theres a way and those boys managed to lose ad usual
November 4th, 2019 at 1:11 pm
There’s a danger when you have to talk someone into something as Licht Weight did Arians into coming back. You can’t half arse a head coaching position in the NFL. I’m sure Arians is looking for an exit strategy. This can’t be fun for him.
November 4th, 2019 at 1:21 pm
We can play with anybody. Except for the saints game where I think we were outclassed the team has shown ability to play up to the level of our opponent. Team just doesn’t know how to win. Saw a stat that said jameis has lost more games with a 100.00 or
Better QB rating than Tom Brady has. Let that sink in. It’s why we also blew an 18 point lead vs a rookie QB playing on the road. Someone on this team, on either side of the ball needs to change the culture and refuse to lose. We need a Nickerson or a Sapp to emerge and lead by example because it damn sure doesn’t seem like the coaches are capable of changing things.
November 4th, 2019 at 1:28 pm
TBBF … Those deep passes intrigue me. Bucs threw deep 13 times it looks like, and 1 of those (an incompletion) resulted in a no-play because of a Seahawks penalty back near the line. Of the other 12, Jameis only completed FOUR … a 33% completion rate (and one of those was that TD catch by Perriman that was pure luck & could’ve just as easily been intercepted). Interestingly, 33% is actually a tad above his average for deep balls completion on the year. Still, that’s unacceptably low IMO, and either kills drives or sets up 3rd & longs that kill drives. Jameis was doing awesome with the short & intermediate stuff, but the deep passes were largely wasted, even against Seattle’s bad Secondary. THAT’S crappy play-calling IMO & shows a lack of patience.
Russell Wilson on the other hand did reasonably well with the deep ball … thanks to Bucs’ penalties. He threw 10 deep balls in regulation plus 3 in OT. Of those, 2 deep balls resulted in a no-play because of Bucs’ penalties, so Wilson really had 8 deep in regulation. He completed 5 of those (63%) plus 1 of 3 deep in OT (33%), giving him an overall 55% deep completion rate. Sadly though, 2 deep passes went for TDs and 2 others got them next to the goal line & they got the TDs moments later.
The difference in effectiveness of the deep balls was HUGE.
November 4th, 2019 at 1:29 pm
Idk if they expected to lose but I expected they would lose for sure.
November 4th, 2019 at 1:43 pm
thats what you call setting the bar really high….. horay ! horay ! we went to overtime….. remember this isnt a rebuild year but rather a reload….. ??? WTF
November 4th, 2019 at 1:54 pm
Wonder what the results of a Glazer confidence poll would be…
November 4th, 2019 at 1:55 pm
LICHT IS LICKED ….. 66% LOSING PERCENTAGE UNDER HIS TENURE …NICE !! HEY IF ITS NOT BROKE DONT FIX IT…..
November 4th, 2019 at 2:09 pm
He has totally lost the locker room. Gone are the days in which Ben Roethlisberger, Peyton Manning, and Carson Palmer can cover for his poor coaching decisions. He is now stuck with the anointed ignorant man JW. We will be a five or six win team for MANY years to come.
November 4th, 2019 at 2:38 pm
I actually agree with everything he said. Who did expect us to win? Not me. With our secondary going up against a 6-2 team with a QB that is in MVP talk and probably going to be HOF. 17-1 TD/int ratio. With all of that, they played just good enough for Jameis to not feel like he has to be a hero and we took them to OT.
Beating them down when they had an impossible challenge sounds like a bad dad telling his kids they’re worthless all the time. It will only make them more worthless.
To me this looks like a swing at the culture. It’s gonna take a whole lot more to get that culture out of here though.
November 4th, 2019 at 2:49 pm
Lose Sunday against a rookie QB, and HC things will get real ugly. Nice we have that home field advantage. The stadium will be filled with a sea of red. As in empty seats. Wkae me in April so I can see Licht blow another draft.
November 4th, 2019 at 3:17 pm
Jimmy Jack-
Your first comments are spot on-
The Rams game, the Bucs faced a QB that threw picks and Bucs took advantage, Wilson was on fire yesterday
And after Rams game, Jameis started turning it over, yesterday he didn’t for most part-
Bucs do need a shut down corner, upgrade on OLine and consistency at QB.
November 4th, 2019 at 4:22 pm
This is a reach and highly ironic you criticize moral victories but believe a team should play for the draft when out of the hunt.
November 4th, 2019 at 4:28 pm
Man LordC spends an awful lot of time justifing Jameis’ bad play
November 4th, 2019 at 4:32 pm
Can’t really believe anyone thought they’d go to Seattle and win. BA seems like he’s here for a check. Glory days are behind him. He knows what he has here.
November 4th, 2019 at 5:02 pm
TBBF and DR mention the effect of penalties in number and yardage.
But screaming at the TV yesterday I was asking my wife..a fan..could she recall taking not one but TWO TD’s off the board in a row. Yeah we committed those penalties…certainly going off the field..but the Dotson call was chickenspit!
November 4th, 2019 at 6:46 pm
As much as Dean got burned yesterday, I actually liked him better than Davis. He broke passes yesterday & I think just ran outta gas honestly. I would stick w/ him x Bunting outside.
November 5th, 2019 at 2:46 pm
BA clocked Management towards the end of the first half ( TO with 2:43 left and Seahawks preparing to punt) cost us the game!
Don’t know why the media gave him a pass on that.
Could of easily been up 21-7 at half!
Suppose to be an experienced Coach!