Clyde Christensen Opens Up On Teaching Jameis, Frustration With QB Turnovers & More
November 20th, 2019
Kudos to Buccaneers quarterbacks coach Clyde Christensen for pulling back the curtain on what’s going on behind the scenes to get Jameis Winston to stop turning over the football at an alarming rate.
Christensen treated Buccaneers Radio listeners yesterday to a heartfelt look at the coaching approach with America’s Quarterback, as well as the frustration involved and what it’s like to work with Jameis.
On limiting turnovers, the veteran QB coach said he’s exhausted several methods to get through to Jameis.
“We obviously haven’t found the right answer but we try everything, you know,” Christensen said. “It’s kind of, I feel like we’re rephrasing it in a different way, looking at it from a different angle every single week. We do different things. Some of the new things we’re doing, we’ll watch the turnovers in the league. There’s usually 15 or 16 quarterback fumbles a week in this league, which is shocking to me, even. You know, you just don’t think that. But balls are getting’ popped loose and guys are careless with the football and it’s usually the teams that are losing. It’s not the Bradys and Brees’s and Green Bay.
“So we look at those, what caused them, how they were preventable. We do the same with the interception reel. We watch often [Jameis’] interceptions; what could we have done different. You know, and then we just talk about it a lot.
“But we haven’t gotten them fixed. It has to get fixed. And he knows it. I know it. We all know that. And I think the hardest thing to teach in this league is a quarterback who can get himself out of trouble and make some plays. We struggled with it with Andrew [Luck] on it a lot — when to give up on a play. When do you cut your losses and get rid of the ball and punt it? These guys are wired such that it’s hard for them to give up on a play. You know, I get frustrated like [Jameis] does, like fans do, like everybody does. …
“That’s a hard teach, just because of how they are wired. It’s hard to just give up on a play. It’s a skill that has to be learned. We should be learning it now. It’s the fifth year. We’re not a rookie any more. And slowly but surely I think he’s got better on the protection thing and not taking the sacks and just being able to throw the thing out of bounds.
“But we still have the turnovers. We had the four this week. And they’re not all on the quarterbacks. Ours are unit-wide, but certainly, you know, our [quarterback] part is significant and we have to cut’em out.”
Christensen explained that the Bucs closely dissect and track the cause of each turnover and assign blame in order to gauge quarterback development and improvement. That’s likely a reason Bucco Bruce Arians was able to put a number this week on the 18 interceptions thrown by Jameis, saying he thought 10 were on the QB, though Christensen didn’t confirm a number.
Every interception is broken down into whether it’s a bad decision, mechanics or accuracy, etc., or a combination, he said.
On Jameis and interceptions, he said “we’ve improved but only minimally. We’ve got to make a big step. … He’s throwing the ball extremely well. He’s throwing the ball accurately. His [interceptions] have been more on the decision-making.”
Christensen went on to say the great quarterbacks know a level of patience Jameis has yet to discover. “It doesn’t have to happen on the first drive.”
Asked about Jameis’ mental game, Christensen spoke of Jameis’ high intellect, something he’s been known for since his college days.
“He’s an extremely smart guy,” Christensen said. “Remembers things, you know, I think probably the biggest positive for him is just his mind and his memory. He remembers everything. He remembers film. He remembers pass pays. I think his memory and his recall of things is the thing that’s probably most impressive.”
And those smarts are combined with an extreme work ethic (5:30 a.m. at headquarters) and very humble, natural leadership.
“He’s been delightful,” Christensen said. “He wants to win. He wants to be good. He wants to work. Probably, if we’ve had conflicts, it’s him overworking. Just being able to rein him in, you know, more isn’t always better in anything, but certainly in quarterbacking, more isn’t always better. So he’s really been a pleasure to work with that way.
“His humility is attractive to people. I think that’s probably the thing you don’t realize. He’s an extremely humble guy. Guys respond to that. Guys know that he’s working hard. Guys know that he’s putting in the time. … Players respond to him. They like him personally. It’s not all about him. He doesn’t look for extra special preferential treatment of any kind. You know, players respond to that a lot.”
Joe hears this stuff from Christensen and it reinforces that Jameis, through 64 NFL starts, likely has hit his ceiling as an NFL quarterback. The Jameis we’re watching likely is as good as he’ll get.
If you bust your ass daily as a veteran quarterback, and you’re are a brilliant guy alongside proven coaching and superior receivers like Jameis is, then there’s a great chance what you’re producing is your very best.
Is it enough? Decision Jameis looms.
November 20th, 2019 at 1:25 am
If this is the ceiling we need to move on. There is no point keeping him if we did have a defense his turnovers would still kill us every game.
November 20th, 2019 at 1:47 am
Factors that haven’t changed since day 1 :-
Locks on one target and doesn’t go through progression, comparison with Brees who is scanning all the time.
Slow and cumbersome getting the ball out, heard critics of the
o line but they can’t hold up when Jameis takes eternity to decide
his throw.
Sean Payton has his number and as showed on Sunday just
took him out the game, just too slow !
How many better QB’s have emerged since JW arrived 5 years
ago, and FSU homers want to commit to another term, how low
can the attendances at RJ go, the players are demoralised
and getting thrown under the bus by BA is destroying the whole
team, Evans will probably want out and without him we will be
onto another level of turnover fest and organsiational morale.
It hasn’t worked out and the Bucs must move on or accept the
league bottom dwellers role for the term of his next contract.
He needs to be out of the organisation and not sitting in the
background as Fitz was !
This is a shambles of indecision and closed minds !
November 20th, 2019 at 2:22 am
Can’t change a leopards spots. He was a turn over machine in College and the same in the pros. He isn’t that accurate of a passer and his deep ball sucks. He is definitely not worth what he will be asking for in 2020. Anything over 12 million is too much. He hasn’t done anything worth mentioning in the 5 years with the bucks. If he wants the big bucks let him prove he is worth it. He is tough and durable but that won’t win any games. Turnovers kill any team. You just can’t win if you keep giving the ball away. Only 10 interceptions are his fault. Really??? give me a break!!!
November 20th, 2019 at 2:55 am
“Jameis, through 64 NFL starts, likely has hit his ceiling as an NFL quarterback. The Jameis we’re watching likely is as good as he’ll get.”
24-40
98 Turnovers
But we have to keep him because…let me count the ways…
Folly and failure if we do.
November 20th, 2019 at 4:08 am
He’s a likable teammate, hard worker, humble, you want him to succeed, he just hasn’t. It’s time for a change for both parties. The Titans proved you can move on. They realized early Mariota wasn’t their future, we’re going to give Jameis all 16. Even if he has a few good games down the stretch, we shouldn’t let that fool us as to what he really is. We know he hasn’t won when it counts. So I think it’s best we part friends, but it’s time to date other QB’s.
November 20th, 2019 at 4:12 am
It’s time to go. 5 years little progress especially in the W column. Maybe he just needs a new team and teammates. Maybe he has hit his peak and maybe he is another franchise’s Brad Johnson. Who knows but based on his performance with this team it’s time for a change. Wouldn’t spend the money.
November 20th, 2019 at 5:09 am
It would be enlightening, but impossible to pull off, to have a sit down with key defensive coordinators to hear how they game plan the Bucs passing game and, in particular, #3.
November 20th, 2019 at 5:24 am
You dis sound so dumb talking like a quarterback coach stfu your not you’re a spectator. Call him a bust if you want but stop putting your idiotic spin on a professional’s opinion your not that either. No one on this page has sent experience odd developing quarterbacks on their resume including Joe and his OPINION that the guy reached his ceiling
Im not defending Winston my take is simple we’re are losing and another treat with this guy and licht won’t change a thing so I’m ready to try something different like new gm a CD quarterback and coach if he can’t call plays. Not only does he have to fix Winston, he has to fix the garbage pay caller when it should have been the head coach or harold Goodwin.
November 20th, 2019 at 5:35 am
Get rid of all of ’em. Start with #3. Blow it up. Joke of the year: Winston is a HoF QB. What a crock. Meaningless stats. Only losers in life pump those after all this.
November 20th, 2019 at 5:40 am
JW = Fools Gold
Do not fear change, and do not fear the future. Embrace it!
In BA I Trust!
November 20th, 2019 at 6:05 am
Did Christensen blame the defense, receivers , Ryan Fitzpatrick for outplaying him, No running game, Defenses being mean to him, a bad OL, awful draft picks by Licht, the water boy, the kicker, the Uber driver for snitching on him, Dirk for benching him, Roger Goodell for suspending him, Gator and Hurricane fans, and his fired agent for not stopping the suspension?
November 20th, 2019 at 6:06 am
Do not fear change, and do not fear the future. Embrace it!
We need:
1. new qb
2. new gm
3. new coachs
November 20th, 2019 at 6:09 am
Jaymiss Winsnot is a a back qb at best …. he can still make a good living in the NFL
November 20th, 2019 at 6:10 am
#1 issue on this team is the poor QB play…You unload a heap of cash to this? Complete insanity. Money for next season should be put towards strengthening the other parts of the team and ANYONE can play QB on a deep, solid roster with weapons galore in place…..
November 20th, 2019 at 6:17 am
Clyde was a lousy coach the last time he was here under Tony. Sure has not helped Winston much!
November 20th, 2019 at 6:45 am
Listent to the excuses. Zeesh! Oh the interceptions. Oh, but he’s a sweetheart. He tries too hard. He is extremely hard working. STFU. He still makes the same mistake. Obviously, no matter what angle or how you rephrase it, the message is crystal clear, but he thinks he’s Superman.
Big time problem. This type of trying to be the hero has not worked. If he can’t get that, then it’s definitely time to move on.
All these excuses add up to one thing – Jameis’s ego is bigger than RJS.
November 20th, 2019 at 6:47 am
Never been a Jameis apologist, but never been a Jameis ‘hater’ either. As a long-time Bucs’ fan, I want him to succeed because if he does, so do the Bucs. If he fails, so do the Bucs. Obviously what he’s produced over almost 5 years now is unsatisfactory … but he hasn’t achieved a 24-40 record all on his own. He’s had LOTS of help looking bad.
Jameis has been amazingly consistent over over his career, both good & bad … UNTIL THIS YEAR. It’s really quite uncanny, because from game-to-game Jameis has been all over the place each season IMO. But this year it’s been different, for the most part.
o His average Yards per Passing Attempt THIS YEAR is exactly on his average over 5 years (7.6 YPA) & so is his Percentage of TDs Thrown when Attempting a Pass (4.7% this year versus 4.6% over his career). Given his high number of passing attempts each season, he throws for a LOT of yards & his number of TDs will be right around 4.6% of his attempts.
o His average Passing Yards per Game was 261 YPG from 2015-2018, but this year it sits at 308 YPG, a significant increase. Should be a good thing, right? Not really, because his Passing Attempts per Game is also way up, from 37.4 Passing Attempts per Game over the 2015-2018 period to 44.2 THIS YEAR. That’s a major increase for any QB.
o His Percentage of Time Intercepted When Attempting a Pass (INT %) THIS YEAR is MUCH higher than it’s ever been. His career INT % average is 3.3%, but THIS YEAR it’s sitting at a whopping 4.4%, a major increase for any QB.
o His Percentage of Time Sacked When Attempting a Pass (Sack %) is also MUCH higher than it’s ever been. His career Sack % is 6.0% from 2015-2018, but THIS YEAR it’s sitting at a whopping 8.1%, a major increase for any QB.
What does it really mean? Everybody interprets stats differently, but what I see is that Jameis ‘is who he is’. He’s gonna throw for a LOT of yards but he’s gonna have turnovers doing it. His ball security has gotten WORSE under BA, not better. Part of that is Jameis’ fault in always ‘trying to do too much’ like CC says. Part of it is because the OLine & RBs are marginal in terms of the support they provide him.
But the biggest part IMO is BA’s offensive BOMBS AWAY philosophy. It’s the kiss of death for any QB like Jameis. And even worse, letting a trainee like Leftwich steer the ship near the shoals is a certain prescription for running that ship aground. Welcome to 3-7 … but put the blame where it belongs. This TEAM is playing some terrible football this year. THAT’S not all on Jameis.
November 20th, 2019 at 6:54 am
He’s throwing the ball away to avoid sacks and interceptions?
Yet, he leads the NFL in both.
He is truly amazing.
November 20th, 2019 at 7:01 am
I like him too. But it is time to move on. If he wins it all somewhere else later good for him. And add him to the list. I’ve seen enough tho.
November 20th, 2019 at 7:02 am
Watched ESPN while having lunch on Tuesday, they were showing Lamar, yes that Lamar, who is making The Ravens a Super Bowl contender, watched his play, his pocket ability, his improved passing skills and wow, is he the real deal……while watching him, thought about Jameis, now in his fifth season……at the end of the day, the Bucs have a crappy O-line and with a guy like Jameis, that’s a TOTAL FORMULA for the disaster we’re looking at on Sundays…..still, after watching Lamar, Jameis isn’t a great long-ball passer and has accuracy problems as well…..that should have been solved by now…
November 20th, 2019 at 7:13 am
The “most NFL ready QB” in the 2015 NFL draft is JUST now learning to throw the ball away when it is the best option….
November 20th, 2019 at 7:17 am
I suppose since we have the template for who not to draft as QB now from college after this 5 year experiment/experience, we have the answer on which college QB we should draft this year?
November 20th, 2019 at 7:30 am
I was there for the “Tennessee Ready” pick six. It’s time to move on from Winston at the end of the year. He will have a long career as a backup.
November 20th, 2019 at 7:51 am
THEY SAID , ALL HE NEEDS IS WEAPONS AROUND HIM , HE HAD THAT FOR A LONG TIME AND STILL DOES, HE IS OUT OF EXCUTES NOW , TIME FOR HIM TO GO…….
November 20th, 2019 at 7:56 am
I love the part about you don’t have to do it on n the first drive. Yet if you don’t you find yourself down 7 or more almost every week. Saying that is great but it’s not reality.
But like I say let’s cut him and bring in some one else to drop back 40 times a week with no threat of a run game, below average protection and the knowledge of needing to score 30 each week. That should be easy to find. And oh yeah stay healthy in the process.
I’m resigned that he is gone but I am also certain it is a huge mistake we will regret for the foreseeable future. But oh well next man up, cause that always works so well for us.
November 20th, 2019 at 8:03 am
Smart in some ways, but too slow or stubborn in others to actually learn from his mistakes and change his games. It just goes to show that defining intelligence isn’t an easy thing. And a person can be very bright in somethings and mentally lacking in others.
November 20th, 2019 at 8:07 am
BTW..that isn’t just an observation regarding Jameis… I’m fine in the math and the science disciplines…but give me a carb to rebuild or an engine problem to diagnose? Forget it.
November 20th, 2019 at 8:11 am
We all like to say that Winston is inconsistent, when in reality he might be the most consistent QB in the NFL. Go through his career, its consistency to a T. He has been the exact same QB since that first pass against Tennessee, consistently frustrating, and now it’s patterns that you can almost set a game clock to.
He’ll start the game somewhere in the realm of 1-6 or 2-12 because he’s all amped up and can’t settle down before game time. That level of completion percentage will carry through the first half improving a little bit as it goes. Go into half time down one or two scores. Come out in the 2nd half with a new script that allows him to get some easy completions, defense is probably sitting back a little bit letting the underneath plays happen, practicing a little risk mitigation with a lead. Winston moves the ball pretty well between the 20’s, but cant put it in the endzone. We get to the 4th quarter, still down one or two scores and Jameis starts pressing again. Now the defense has him where they want him. They’ll start sitting in those deep outs and comeback routes and they feast on that baseball delivery.
On a good week he’ll only have one INT by the time the lid comes off and he starts throwing it up for grabs with 3 minutes left. On a bad week it’s usually a 7-10 point game midway through the 3rd quarter before he decides to start throwing punts up for grabs and it turns into a 20 point loss.
Consistency to a T.
November 20th, 2019 at 8:43 am
There is “book learning” and there is “applied learning”. When I was in training for my pilot’s license, I studied what to do in an engine failure. To remember those things on the ground was completely different, than when in the air and your instructor would “kill” the engine and you had to prepare for an emergency landing. I really think Jameis is likely quite good at the “book learning”, i.e. at the whiteboard or in the film room, but I absolutely believe he panics “when the bullets are flying”, and all that book learning goes out the window.
tickrdr
November 20th, 2019 at 8:45 am
Is it enough? NO!!!
November 20th, 2019 at 8:51 am
JW IS A BUST!!!!
time to move on….
GO BUCS!!!!!
November 20th, 2019 at 8:52 am
The only way to fix a 4% interception rate is to reduce attempts….basically run the ball. That’s tough to do when teams commit to stopping the run and bringing pressure. Winston simply isn’t consistent/efficient enough on a play to play basis. We’re not talking week to week…but play to play, its a total crap shoot on what could happen. Its a play calling nightmare….coaching nightmare….fan nightmare. Any given moment the entire momentum can do a 180. In college, you can overcome that with simply having superior talent and less complex schemes….but at the pro level, everyone is good, everyone is magnifying and game planning to exploit your flaws and Winston has too many that show up too often.
November 20th, 2019 at 8:57 am
So we’re supposed to get excited because after five years he occasionally throws the ball away? That after “trying everything we know”
People tired of Dungy saying “ we just have to play better” and yet JW has said that most every Sunday for the last five years.
Standards are low around here.
November 20th, 2019 at 9:08 am
This is a pretty damning assessment of JW’s ability. As a supporter for 4 of his 5 seasons I think I have seen enough, Franchise tag and find his successor, ASAP.
November 20th, 2019 at 9:10 am
“Christensen explained that the Bucs closely dissect and track the cause of each turnover and assign blame in order to gauge quarterback development and improvement. That’s likely a reason Bucco Bruce Arians was able to put a number this week on the 18 interceptions thrown by Jameis”…. SO do they go back and give ## an INT when the Ball hits Kwon Alexander in the handsand its dropped or hits a defender and the ball pops up and Perriman gets a td? Of course not… silly
November 20th, 2019 at 9:12 am
I love his personal intangibles.
He was just not born with the god given gift to be an elite Qb
November 20th, 2019 at 9:40 am
Excellent article, Joe. Very insightful.
November 20th, 2019 at 9:44 am
Five year later…..we’re still trying to teach an idiot number one overall pick. Priceless.
November 20th, 2019 at 9:51 am
DRome
Insightful in a bad way……
November 20th, 2019 at 10:32 am
Winston might have been fixable when he came in as a rookie. Had Bruce Arians come in four years ago he and Christiansen may have been able to pull it off.
Who knows now.
My guess is that it is too late. Should BA have JW back next season he will likely just be managing him and accepting him for who he is as an NFL quarterback.
November 20th, 2019 at 10:39 am
Even the most mediocre of school teachers Know..When you have consistently rammed concepts down students throats, tutored them until your tongue hangs out? Its time to cut losses and place them in Special Education..or in Jameis case a solid career as a backup.
November 20th, 2019 at 10:56 am
Playing QB is a talent. I liken it to being a military pilot or aircrewman. Decisions need to be made quickly. Once airborne that aircraft isn’t stopping, except to land or crash. From all I’ve read, JW is very intelligent, but he’s missing the ability to make quick decisions. That’s no knock on JW. Not everyone can fly an aircraft or play QB at a high level. You don’t need to be an Einstein, but somewhat intelligent with the ability to think on your feet. Terry Bradshaw comes to mind.
November 20th, 2019 at 11:09 am
All of those exact same things were said by the Titans coaches about Mariotta. However, the Titans were smart enough to know they needed to make changes and go in another direction.
Hopefully the Bucs will soon realize that also.
November 20th, 2019 at 11:14 am
yes his work ethic is great but like you have said time and time again joe (depending which), production matters and who cares about how hard a guy works. this article tells me he will never get over his turnovers.
November 20th, 2019 at 11:29 am
if we traded olines and secondary with the titans, and even running backs, we would be talking playoffs.
Jameis could be good, if he seldom felt the pressure for heroics.
our failure to build support through the draft has pointed out his failings that would be hidden on another team.
It would be irresponsible to put a rookie qb in the same situation. Hold our nose, deal with jameis till we have a more stable situation to put a rookie qb into.
November 20th, 2019 at 11:49 am
Bye. Won’t miss your picks. Thanks for nothing but dozens of losses. Go Bucs
November 20th, 2019 at 11:51 am
Joe
These are the same folks who though McIceCream was worth a spit so consider the source. You know and I know that winston is going to be alright.
November 20th, 2019 at 12:13 pm
Wish he wasn’t so accurate when he throws to the other team. If he is like so much how come the players seemed to player harder last year when Fitz started. I do believe the players are fed up with his crap as much as the fans.
November 20th, 2019 at 12:22 pm
DB55
“He’ll be alright”
IDK, It’s mighty cold in Canada…
November 20th, 2019 at 12:25 pm
Tom Ed
Jackson looks so good passing because the Ravens are so good at running the ball. A dominating run game tears apart the best laid plans on defense. A defense that cannot the stop run game will be passed on.
November 20th, 2019 at 12:27 pm
We only ran EIGHT running plays last week and asked Winston the throw on almost every play in a offense predicated on Play Action let that sink in.
November 20th, 2019 at 5:41 pm
He is unfixable.
November 20th, 2019 at 6:37 pm
I dream of getting in here on time to be the first to comment on these WINSton post. I really feel they should shut him down and let that ankle heal up. It’s been nagging him since college and is the one true reason why he has struggled in this league. I think inside One Buc Place they know they have been forcing him. To save Winston he needs to sit this season and finally get his ankle scoped. He hurt it early in his second season at FSU and has not been the same since. He has continually looked how he looks now since that injury and he’s been playing thru it for five years now and he can’t set his feet if he’s rushed at an above average rate. Bucs Realist and Tmaxcon won’t dig that up either for you. I could make a video about it but why. Let’s be real though Glazer’s, Licht, BA , and WINSton it’s time to go to the house for a while and heal a bad ankle from the finish of playing for urgent coaches, University, and Franchise for loses and degrading of Winston for women who have either been proving liars or whatever court or judicial presides.
November 20th, 2019 at 6:51 pm
If I had to say now I’m starting to think Bucs keep Jameis unless they get a trade for a proven QB…
Just like how Koetter survived 2 season after back to back losing seasons, I think BA & Licht get 2 seasons to prove Jameis is the one, plus fix the defense…
If not then a house cleaning @ the end of 2020 to go get Lawerence…
November 20th, 2019 at 8:14 pm
One of the things that Dungy did is he brought in some Offensive Linemen in Free Agency who had been to the Pro Bowl and he had a good running team with an excellent RB with our best FB of all time and his background being Defense he was able to put together a great Tampa Two that was top ten for about ten years with a Great DC. If we had that same combination to protect Jameis on Offense and a running game to wear out the opposing defense and let the Offense take up a lot of the time off the clock, Jameis would be in the Pro Bowl. You watched the Saint’s game, Jameis didn’t have the time to search the field and the Saints were right in on him. They also crowded the LOS knowing there was no way Jameis would have time for a five second drop and they knew exactly what type of plays Jameis would try for and they were beating our players to the spot and waiting to intercept and they knew they would be favored on the Ref calls too so they could hit our players early and there would be no flag. Offer Jameis a one year prove it contract of $12 million (more than he would get as a backup on another team) and Franchise Barret. Keep PFF another year and overpay a veteran player who has been to the Pro Bowl to join our OL and get a first pick best LT, try D. Smith at OG—he is a failure at OT. Cappa should be tried at RT and cut Dotson. 2d pick best big DE to replace PFF eventually. Tell Arians to directly call plays and be in Jameis ear as a real QB whisperer. Tell our DC he has been a failure and he best use his players man to man in the games and use them to jam receivers and put Dean on the top receiver and use creative blitzing and if their QB is a good runner have our star MLB be spying the QB to stop runs. Both our DC and BA both must make adjustments at half time too. Get a veteran CB in free agency too. Use Vea as the FB in short yardage. And pick up another good RB too. 3rd pick a big DT to replace Suh. 4th pick a fast tall WR to challenge Watson. Use rest of the picks on best future back ups that can also play Special Teams too.
November 20th, 2019 at 10:29 pm
Jason,
The ankle caused all the turnovers? Does the ankle also get the blame for all the good in Jameis’s game?
You’re flawed in that logic. Jameis would not play if the ankle was not
Healthy, nor would the Buc draft him if it didn’t check out in his medicals.
So now we can add “he injured his ankle his second year in college and that has cause all the erratic play”. That’s the best one yet! Can we blame aliens next?
November 21st, 2019 at 4:45 am
GREAT ARTICLE JOES … but … you drew an INSANE conclusion.
When you realize a 25 year old QB is:
Ultra-talented
Ultra-smart
Ultra hard working
Ultra easy to like and great in the locker-room
But is:
Turning the ball over too much on a team with a bad line, no run game and the worst defense (32nd in scoring D) in the NFL.
The obvious conclusion is his TEAM sucks and if he had a better team around him (nothing special, how about just an AVERAGE defense and run game), he’d be ULTRA good in the NFL.
The only way a 25 year old with JW’s talent and work ethic has “hit his ceiling” is if he will ALWAYS have the exact same terrible TEAM around him for his whole career …
Put Jameis on the Patriots … they still have the same record. Put him on the 49’ers and they probably have one more win as JW never gets “scared” the way Jimmy G did in the Seahawks game … heck JW engaged in an awesome shootout with Russell Wilson and only lost because he didn’t even get to have the ball in O.T.
And, it’s NOT just Jameis that this logic applies to, it applies to ALL QB’s.
Put Tom Brady on the Bengals … they’re still a bottom 5 team in the NFL … put Andy Dalton on the Pats and they are still a playoff team.
How can fans be so stupid?