Andy Dalton And The Bucs
November 3rd, 2019
Tampa-bound in 2020?
Joe warned you.
Those that regularly listen to the internationally popular Ira Kaufman Podcast know that Ira and Joe often spar over America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston.
Ira wants Jameis gone, never mind Tom Brady couldn’t overcome a horrid pass defense that allows 300 yards a game through the air.
Nor does Ira have a backup plan other than to draft somebody. He just wants Jameis gone because Ira judges quarterbacks on wins.
Joe is of a different mind. As of today, Joe would keep Jameis but reality is that he is likely gone because the public has turned on him. And it would be hard to justify paying Jameis the market rate for a veteran quarterback.
One reason Joe wouldn’t get rid of Jameis (now) is that if you don’t have a succession plan, what’s the point? Yes, a team could get worse without Jameis. That’s right.
Joe quoted Raheem Morris saying, “I will tolerate you until I can replace you.” And Joe warned Ira unless the Bucs draft a quarterback, what are the Bucs going to do, bank on Andy Dalton?
Well, heavy metal-headbanging Jason La Canfora believes that nightmare is closer to reality than some think.
La Canfora, typing for CBS Sports, is of the belief that Dalton, the Bengals’ 32-year-old benched three-time Pro Bowler, very possibly could come to the Bucs to try to save Bucco Bruce Arians and his merry band of head coach wannabes next season.
In fact, La Canfora wrote Arians is a big fan of Dalton.
Tampa Bay coach Bruce Arians was very high on Dalton through his draft process, and the Buccaneers have amassed one of the better collections of receivers and tight ends in the NFL, and also have a solid offensive line. With Arians formerly retired and at a stage in his career where rebuilding with a rookie quarterback might not be ideal, several GMs identified Tampa as a strong landing spot for Dalton, with Winston struggling in the final year of his deal. Dalton, like Winston, has had issues with turnovers at times, but has also shown to be a highly functional and winning QB with some pieces around him.
So the Bucs would be getting rid of a quarterback with major upside because he throws picks, and replace him with a slug with no upside who has a habit of throwing turnovers and who just might cost as much as Jameis?
What is Joe missing here? Other than the hair, how exactly is Dalton remotely an upgrade over Jameis?
As always, be careful what you wish for. You just may get it.
November 3rd, 2019 at 10:48 am
Maybe on the veteran minimum to bridge a rookie QB…
Neither Dalton nor Winston should be paid franchise tag money next year ($27,000,000.00).
November 3rd, 2019 at 10:53 am
Winston or Dalton ??!
Dalton or Winston ??!!
That’s like choosing Aids or Cancer …Is contracting the franchise an option ??
I’d rather go wildcat with No QB Joe…
November 3rd, 2019 at 10:55 am
Stop Joe! It’s Sunday Morning… trying to be peaceful
November 3rd, 2019 at 10:56 am
I’d take Dalton in a NY minute! Draft a QB and let him sit for a couple of years. If that doesn’t work, how could it be worse than this year?
Famous jameis and our GM are tied at the hip. So long to both of them at the end of the year. (no I don’t think any of this will happen)
November 3rd, 2019 at 10:57 am
As much as I don’t think Winston is the answer, neither is Dalton….unless it’s as a 1 year rental while we wait till 2021 to draft a guy like Justin Fields out of Ohio State. But there are some good young QBs that will be available in the 2020 draft too…Burrow, Eason, Hurts, Herbert, etc.
November 3rd, 2019 at 10:59 am
Trevor Lawrence > Justin Fields.
Of course, the Bucs will have to lose 14 games to have a prayer of getting either one. Or pay a Glazer’s ransom to maybe trade up.
November 3rd, 2019 at 11:01 am
The Bucs are not going to release Jameis because the public has turned on him. The public has turned on him because he has not played winning football in four of the five years he’s been here. That is the same reason the Bucs will let him go.
November 3rd, 2019 at 11:04 am
@Joe
Dalton has made 5 playoff appearances, albeit losses.
What has pro bowl last minute alternate Winston done?
Who has more turnovers?
Who is better? Dalton is better hands down.
November 3rd, 2019 at 11:10 am
Jameis=Dalton No Thanks, we need better!
November 3rd, 2019 at 11:15 am
>>> Dalton has made 5 playoff appearances, albeit losses. <<<
Didn't that freak Marcus Mariota win a playoff game? Now he cannot beat out Ryan Tannehill. LOL
Didn't Sean King start an NFC championship game? Hall of Fame!
November 3rd, 2019 at 11:16 am
Leaders can’t be as undependable as Jameis is. I want to see him succeed, but his impulsivity won’t change… it has never changed… he always “retracts to the mean” the turnover machine
November 3rd, 2019 at 11:18 am
INTERESTING TIDBIT FOR YOU GUYS:
This weekend a good friend of mine was in town and we got together for the big boat show in Ft. Lauderdale. My friend is an NFL agent for one of the Top 10 agencies (won’t say which one)…
I asked him, “What do you think is going to happen with Jameis Winston and the Bucs? Do you think Licht will give him the franchise tag or even dare to sign him to a new deal?”
My friend has dealt with Licht on many contracts and being an agent (and from a big agency) is up to date on a lot of NFL ‘chatter’ about different players/teams.
He said, “I’m not sure… Winston is a big mystery at this point. But I will tell you this… a little over a year ago people from Winston’s team communicated with our agency about possibly switching agents at some point and they made a reference that they believe Jameis is a $35M a year player.”
I, of course, broke into LAUGHTER after hearing that. Not sure what Jameis’ team think his real market value is now after such an inconsistent season, but it was interesting to hear that they really thought he was worth so much to the NFL.
November 3rd, 2019 at 11:20 am
Jameis is average. You can’t be scared to try to get better. I pointed out in another post how Jameis’s career numbers amongst starters is only better than Fitzpatrick in almost all important categories like Td/Int ratio, Int %, etc.
He’s 2nd worst among starting QBs. How much worse can it really get?
Ask the Rams, Chiefs, Bills, Eagles, Panthers, Jags, Jets, Texans, Ravens as opposed to the Bucs, Titans, Dolphins, and Bears. You have to try to get better and if the player won’t, then another might.
November 3rd, 2019 at 11:21 am
No No No No No !!!!!!!!! Andy Dalton is trash I rather have a rookie quarterback if we not keeping Jamies. If you bring in Dalton you might as well keep Jamies.
November 3rd, 2019 at 11:21 am
Any chance Foles becomes available? and if so would we want him?
November 3rd, 2019 at 11:22 am
This joe threatening another QB
Dalton is hot garbage by the way
But hey let’s stay with the same guy who wins 1 out of 3 games and leads the league in turnovers forever and ever and ever . And pay 30 mil per year.
Cause turnovers don’t matter here
I read an article the other day which said even if you took around a quarter of Jameis turnovers away “25” , he would still lead the league in turnovers since 2015
November 3rd, 2019 at 11:25 am
Dalton may not be an answer, but what this Joe is missing is Winston has shown zero ability to learn from his mistakes.
After five seasons, he’s the same guy who threw his first NFL pass for a pick-six against the Titans.
And nothing will change him.
If he has a big upside, we haven’t seen it. we have, however, endured ongoing downside.
November 3rd, 2019 at 11:25 am
Foles dude you need to clean your crack pipe…..
Dalton lol might as well bring dilfer back low standard bucfan loves them some washed up has beens after all
November 3rd, 2019 at 11:26 am
“Major upside”???
Jameis is not a rookie QB. He’s a 5 year veteran. Major upside haha Morons think it takes 5 years to develop a QB. And if not this year then 6 years, or 7. How many more DeShaun Watsons, Patrick Mahomes, Gardner Minshews, Kyle Allens and countless other QB’s who didn’t take 5 years to start winning do you need to see to realize Jameis ain’t the guy?
Are the Bucs a QB away from winning a Super Bowl? NO. But is Jameis a guy that can lead your team to a Super Bowl? Also no.
November 3rd, 2019 at 11:30 am
You know the funniest part about this joe preaching to us
His two favorite players are Jameis and Johnny football
He has about as much football street cred as my 2 year old niece
November 3rd, 2019 at 11:31 am
I want teddy
November 3rd, 2019 at 11:34 am
Solid offensive line?…
Did I miss something?
November 3rd, 2019 at 11:36 am
If we signed Britney Perea from the IFL Denver Dream, my probability of loving our QB skyrocket win or lose. Lol
November 3rd, 2019 at 11:43 am
Actually any Legends Football League team could replace the Bucs and probably play tougher and look much better doing so. Wink wink
November 3rd, 2019 at 11:47 am
We need a great q.b., average just wont do it, it will only be more wasted years. The point is to win the super bowl, not just be a playoff team.
November 3rd, 2019 at 11:49 am
This would be the best offense Dalton has been a part of. By far. Bengals kept trying to build a thug defense.
Lose in the playoffs, or 4-12
Damn, I’ll buy the red carpet- and roll it out in front of Dalton!
And he would RUN to OneBuc, for a chance to throw to Evans,Godwin,Howard, Brate, etc.
Bring him here!!
Dalton always made the playoffs
Jameis will never make the playoffs
Plus Andy hasnt been accused of the horrible things off the field- that Jameis has.
We could be proud of Dalton- and our offense needs another Ginger! Lol.
We should have made that trade before the trade deadline
November 3rd, 2019 at 11:53 am
A solid offensive line???… yeah ok no. No ab is safe with our pass protection.
November 3rd, 2019 at 11:58 am
I would take Andy Dalton in our offense over Jameis any day. At least then, we can focus on other areas of improvement like the OL and RB. Even the Cincinnati pen and mic club know Dalton is not the problem there.
November 3rd, 2019 at 11:59 am
A Solid Offensive line???… what’s that guy from CBSSports smoking???… No QB is safe in our pass protection. Our tackles suck at pass protection… they’re the main part of pass protection and yes Jameis does make Bad decisions. Not all the time. Just when he’s down by a score and trying to play like it’s the 4th quarter and we’re down by 20.
November 3rd, 2019 at 11:59 am
Correction Joe, us Bucs fans have been living a nightmare reality since Licht became GM. JW will never be a good QB and his time in TB should’ve ended a while back.
November 3rd, 2019 at 12:04 pm
Because dalton is better than jameis joe … when the Bucs get rid of Winston why don’t you follow the dude and cover him in the XFL
November 3rd, 2019 at 12:10 pm
Cobraboy Says:
November 3rd, 2019 at 11:25 am
Dalton may not be an answer, but what this Joe is missing is Winston has shown zero ability to learn from his mistakes.
Thanks cobra boy. Well said.
November 3rd, 2019 at 12:11 pm
Not just no! But hell no!!!!
November 3rd, 2019 at 12:16 pm
Dalton throws picks and gets sacked , too-
Not an upgrade
The whole point of moving on from Jameis would be to end the turnovers and sacks, right?
November 3rd, 2019 at 12:19 pm
@Joe … “possibly could come to the Bucs to try to save Bucco Bruce Arians and his merry band of head coach wannabes next season.”
Tell us what you REALLY THINK of this coaching staff Joe.
November 3rd, 2019 at 12:20 pm
Brad Johnson wasn’t the sexy pick but he got the job done. “Upside” is a hypothetical situation, results are reality.
November 3rd, 2019 at 12:32 pm
Some good references to Ira here – he judges QB’s on wins !!!
I thought that is what all players are on the field to achieve, except it seems JW who must have some other strengths !
Andy Dalton is an ideal vet to train up a good draft pick and hand him the starter job, novel idea to have someone who is less insecure about himself and doesn’t need to be looking over his shoulder.
November 3rd, 2019 at 12:33 pm
Brad Johnson got the job done? Oh boy. Yeh he got the job done with a defense that gave up 12 points a game. Had a losing record in 2003 and played 4 games in 2004 before leaving for Minnesota. BTW in 2003 he threw 21 interceptions in a 7-9 Bucs season.
This is getting the job done? Being a benefactor of one of the top 10 defenses of all time has it’s privileges.
November 3rd, 2019 at 12:39 pm
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha, if I hated the Bucs I would be rooting so hard for this to happen. Any idiot that thinks that would an upgrade should just give up football all together.
By the way how many points did the great Minshew score today? He playing with a top RB, top defense yet still they scored a total of 3 points. When is the last time a Jameis lead offense only scored 3 points?
My goodness you people are so CLUELESS!!!!!!
November 3rd, 2019 at 12:39 pm
draft the kid from lsu, let him sit and bring in dalton for a year.
November 3rd, 2019 at 12:42 pm
BTW since when is QB sacks a QBs fault?
Only in idiot town Tampa Bay.
You do realize when Luck and Watson was getting sacked more than anyone for some reason they didn’t get blamed. Isn’t that weird here it is our QBs fault but everywhere else it’s the olines fault.
November 3rd, 2019 at 12:47 pm
NFL teams from Florida should refuse to play in London! Jags and Bucs competing for blooper reel space it seems. Lol
November 3rd, 2019 at 12:51 pm
Ndog,
No way is dalton better than Jameis and Jameis is not consistent enough to be better than dalton. They are both meh, for different reasons.
I hope you can judge all QBs equally. Please take your blinders off!
As Buc 1987 said to you yesterday, “wake up and smell the turnovers!”
November 3rd, 2019 at 1:01 pm
Every single sack is the O-lines fault. It doesn’t matter if the QB holds the ball too long or runs the wrong direction, it is never the QB’s fault when he gets sacked, ever.
-Ndog
November 3rd, 2019 at 1:03 pm
Other than an occasional brain freeze (which can perhaps be coached away), Jameis’ big problem is lack of accuracy. Getting good receivers that can catch his low balls or ones thrown behind them makes Jameis look better but they are still bad passes that limit gains after reception. His lack of accuracy sometimes makes him hold on too long waiting until receivers are wide open, which increases sacks and interceptions (defenses do react to this behavior). Lack of success in a game tempts him to then try throws he knows better than to take. Teddy Bridgewater (current incarnation) is an example of how a QB with talent limits should manage a game. But you need a better team around you to throw away in every situation that does not look right.
If five years of coaching can’t bring more accuracy, he needs to go. Dalton would be a stop-gap in the longer search for the franchise capable QB, and perhaps a better stop-gap than keeping Jameis and then trying to sit him when we try out younger talent. I don’t see that working without locker room problems.
November 3rd, 2019 at 1:11 pm
Dalton would throw less interceptions than Jameis. Hes already thrown less this year. It doesn’t take a mathematician to put 2 and 2 together. We need a quiet unsung hero QB. Not a bone head idiot from Welfaresville, Alabama. He would be an upgrade. And cheaper too. Can use spare money on defense.
November 3rd, 2019 at 1:11 pm
Justin Herbert in 2020 or Sam Ehllinger in 2021.
November 3rd, 2019 at 1:16 pm
Come on Joe. It’s Gameday. Why start a convo about getting a QB in the off-season?
Be a fan.
November 3rd, 2019 at 1:17 pm
“Pewterhead!”
Son of Kobe Faker
November 3rd, 2019 at 1:23 pm
Eli Manning.
November 3rd, 2019 at 1:25 pm
Why do we want to recycle coaches, players, and GMs from other bottom feeder organizations? Wash, rinse, repeat. Why stop there? What players from the Jets, Bills, and Browns are dying to play for BA?
November 3rd, 2019 at 1:30 pm
How many beers already today?
November 3rd, 2019 at 1:32 pm
Click bait * not happening JW getting extended …
November 3rd, 2019 at 1:35 pm
@BuckyLove:
Nice post!
tickrdr
November 3rd, 2019 at 1:35 pm
Joe pushing his propaganda trying to scare Buc fans into changing their minds on Jameis. I rather we draft a QB and bring in a bridge gap like Foles, Bridgewater, etc.. even Dalton as a bridge gap
November 3rd, 2019 at 1:59 pm
Yes Jean you would like that cause you have no idea what’s you’re talking about.
Onto someone that has a clue, I just saw this post below on Profootball talk and it is eye opening. Take a look:
Phillip Anthony says:
November 2, 2019 at 3:59 pm
Jameis Winston
61.1% Cmp% -16,700yds- 7.6 Y/A- 102 TD- 70 INT- 61 Gms
Troy Aikman
60.3% Cmp% – 11,650yds- 6.3 Y/A- 58 TD- 62 INT- 60 Gms
Brett Favre
62.6 Cmp% – 14825yds- 6.9Y/A – 98 TD – 66 INT – 61 Gms
Tom Brady –
61.6% Cmp% – 13,925 – 6.9Y/A – 97 TD- 52 INT – 62 Gms
The Bucs can Throw Jameis Under the Bus all they want,
The GM is the Problem.
No O-Line, No Running Game- No Defense – No Secondary in 5 Years.
They ask Jameis to Fix everything that is Wrong with the Horrible Job done by the GM Jason Licht and it’s too much.
Put Jameis Winston On the Chicago Bears with That Defense and get back to me.
We will then See What An Indictment The Bucs Front Office Truly is!
He’s Numbers stack up to Hall of Fame QB’s, they got a Team and Coaching Stability Around them. Jameis Hasn’t!
November 3rd, 2019 at 2:04 pm
Joe
Now the we can tolerate you till I can replace you talk retreads until you take a chance on someone young out of the draft
WHO CARES if Arians likes these sorry retreads all over the league young talent is winning NOT ALL our D is bad someone CAN win
Last game the D stopped them how many times on short fields ..till we stopped moving the ball pass rush / D got tired then it got out of hand
LOOK to Glazers…if Arians likes retreads like dalton and not a QB out the the most talented QB heavy draft in years ….from most logical buc fans
“He can GTFO” hit the road jack I’m mean bruce
November 3rd, 2019 at 2:06 pm
Statistically, Andy Dalton is an upgrade to Jameis. Facts don’t lie. Check it. Is it a Aaron Rodgers to Jameis comparison? No way. It’s a marginal upgrade, but an upgrade nonetheless. That should tell you all you need to know about Jameis.
Veteran QB with a good offense (see last year – same players, diff coaches. Don’t blame the players for under utilization of weapons) might be a change good for both parties. The point to be seen is whether Dalton is coachable like Palmer was under BA. But, BA needs to get his head out of you know where if he wants this offense to start humming. Stop blaming the players for poor play calling.
November 3rd, 2019 at 2:12 pm
11 turnovers in the last two games.
Panther drives started at the TAM 29, TAM36, TAM8, and TAM17 yard lines.
Titans drives started at the TAM 10, TAM 6, and TAM 36 yard lines.
THREE pick 6’s this year where the defense never even got a chance to get on the field!
Boy, does our defense suck! Can’t even stop them from the 6 yard line.
Too bad the defense couldn’t go on the field during the THREE pick 6’s.
tickrdr
AKA “clueless fan”.
November 3rd, 2019 at 2:16 pm
NDog, you can dredge out all the stats you want if it makes you feel better. The simple fact is that Jameis has not improved after 5 years in the league. Yes, he had an OK 1st season. Then for the next 4 years he just was the same or worse. I’m not in his head, but I speculate that he simply “chokes” when adversity strikes. And, with a team as bad as this one adversity is always just around the corner.
If he is able to resurrect his career elsewhere then good for him and you for your brilliance. As it stands, the vast majority on this blog would like to see him gone- -whatever BS you post.
November 3rd, 2019 at 2:22 pm
Jean, Bridgewater isn’t coming to Tampa. He is getting top dollar as a backup and already turned down a chance to be a starter when he signed with NO. Also, I wish they could sign him because you guys that hate Jameis with a passion may start to figure out that this team is just plain bad and he would struggle more than Jameis. You probably were wishing last year that the Bucs had Baker Mayfield too. Now guys talking about the Jaguars QB like he’s good. 3 points today bruh. Same thing for the Carolina QB. You guys want to run off the guy that has moments of brilliance for guys that are just plain bad with very low ceilings. I hope you get your wish and we go 0-16 next year.
November 3rd, 2019 at 2:23 pm
Doug Martin was the NFL’s 2nd leading rusher for Jameis one year, didnt stop him from losing or turning the ball over. Jameis has had a top 5 receiving corps for at least two seasons now. Imagine those Hall of Fame QB’s with Chris Godwin and Mike Evans and Cam Brate and OJ. Mike Evans is 6’5”, Jameis still overthrows him. How many of those Hall of Fame QB’s got benched for Ryan Fitzpatrick? How did QB’s teams like Tom Brady’s Pats and Peyton Manning’s Colts without them when they got injured? They sucked. Yet when Jameis is gone it’s about the same if not better. How come DeShaun Watson has one of the worst O-lines in the game yet doesn’t turn the ball over like crazy when he’s pressured? You see that pass he made today? Threw the ball perfectly literally as he was getting tackled. That’s a pick or a fumble with Jameis. Speaking of fumbles, he’s thrown 70 INT’s in 61 games, if you add all the fumbles how many turnovers is that? Almost averaging 2 turnovers a game?
Yeah Jameis is a Hall of Famer. He’s going to light up the league when he leaves just like Josh Freeman lit up the league when he left. LOL
November 3rd, 2019 at 2:54 pm
says you
November 3rd, 2019 at 2:55 pm
there’s a bunch of Jason Licht burner accounts in here
November 3rd, 2019 at 2:56 pm
No to andy dalton!!!!!!!!!!!!
Joe Burrow
Jalen Hurts
Tua
Justin Hebert
any of these guys over dalton and over Jameis
November 3rd, 2019 at 3:03 pm
I’d rather make a push for Philip Rivers if he leaves
November 3rd, 2019 at 3:16 pm
NDog, how about you just pipe down until Winston gets picked up by another team? You know, a smart team with smart fans?
November 3rd, 2019 at 3:40 pm
102 TD’s / 92 turnovers <that's the bottom line …5years and counting with no post seasons one winning record. Aren't you Jameis 1 of 1's tired of losing?
November 3rd, 2019 at 3:50 pm
What upside? This is Jameis, he’s not getting any better! It’s year five with no progression!!
November 3rd, 2019 at 3:54 pm
No, No, 1000 times no to both Jay Miss and Opie.
November 3rd, 2019 at 3:57 pm
SteveK
Agree with your take. The difference between Dalton and JW is more stylistic than anything. JW “seems” to have more upside but Dalton has been more consistent. Still this is a move I would hate. I’m tired of picking up other team’s castoffs. We have enough of our own waiting to be unloaded.
Tickdr I love reading your retorts. Instead of a Cardiologist you should have been surgeon…you did a great job of slicing and dicing the JW myth.
November 3rd, 2019 at 4:04 pm
@SPBF:
Thanks very much, and a hat tip to you!
Don’t know about the surgeon thing………. can’t stand the sight of blood.
JK, sort of, because that used to be true.
tickrdr
November 3rd, 2019 at 4:55 pm
Jay-Miss has no upside. He has reached his ceiling. He is a turnover prone QB that flashes on occasion. He’s better than Dalton though.
November 3rd, 2019 at 5:38 pm
What fans has turned on JW the ones who never wanted him here in the first place! If the Bucs let Winston go for Dalton this organization can kiss my A””!
November 3rd, 2019 at 6:32 pm
This the kind of football Jamies need to play. Running the ball sometimes. And throwing it on the run .
November 3rd, 2019 at 10:02 pm
Yes please.
And draft a qb in the first round.
Winston being extended is completely demoralizing.
Let’s not resign a QB that lost 9 games in a row.
November 3rd, 2019 at 10:54 pm
didn’t dalton replace carson palmer in cincy?…wasn’t he his successor…
if we get dalton, he would look good in our throwbacks…
go back to the old classic orange unis…
hopefully licht will replace his ron burgundy sports coat with a firey orange blazer…
#GingerGangInTampa #DaltonAndJensen
#ServeOrangeTangAtRayJay
November 4th, 2019 at 12:35 pm
Say what you will. Andy Dalton is not great by any means, but he’s done well with a supporting cast and has plenty of wins. Dalton > Jameis Winston.
November 4th, 2019 at 4:41 pm
Dont trade trash 4 trash. They both turn the ball over at alarming rates. Go through the draft.