More O.J. Howard Trade Winds
October 28th, 2019
There’s a fresh buzz in New England about O.J. Howard.
Last week, before Howard’s somewhat out-of-nowhere hamstring injury, there was chatter all about how Bill Belicheat wanted to deal for the big Bucs’ tight end but was shunned by Tampa Bay. Not available, the reports claimed.
Well, Joe was reading NESN this evening, which quoted ESPN Bucs beat writer Jenna Laine and her Twittering that she’s hearing (or being told) that Howard is available for the right price and many teams are inquiring.
Yes, Howard is a monster, 24-year-old talent. However, he also hasn’t shown he’s a special blocker, and he’s displayed some questionable hands through his career, in addition to a habit of getting injured. He also admitted he’s had a recent sitdown with Bruce Arians and Jason Licht, which was giant red flag to Joe regarding Howard’s future in Tampa.
Joe would not shed a tear if Howard is dealt by tomorrow afternoon’s trade deadline, but Joe might weap if the Bucs don’t get good value for him. Everybody’s expendable for the right price.
With another full year remaining on his rookie contract, plus a potential fifth-year option for a new team, Howard should command at least a second-round pick.
And if it is the Patriots, Joe would want a first-rounder.
October 28th, 2019 at 11:00 pm
Stupid trade cause we won’t get a first rd
Trade Brate more $$
October 28th, 2019 at 11:01 pm
Pats 2020 1st and 2nd for OJ and JW!!!!
October 28th, 2019 at 11:01 pm
Throw in Vh3 and get a corner and a LT,LG, RG, RT or a running back plus add Perriman with the trade for a safety
October 28th, 2019 at 11:04 pm
Remember: if you trade to the Patriots, you get the last pick for that round when they make it to their inevitable Super Bowl. So even if you get a 1st expect it to be pick 32.
The number 17th pick from 2017 for the 2020 32nd pick.
October 28th, 2019 at 11:05 pm
Trade the guy who wanted females.after a loss? You talk about that on another team. Not the Bucs homie …you gotta go
Some players don’t care we lose. Gotta go. Trade him or cut him. IDC who it is.
October 28th, 2019 at 11:10 pm
TRADE HOWARD FOR:
1. Patriots’ 2020 1st round pick
PLUS
2. Bucs swap their 2020 3rd round pick with Patriots’ 2nd rounder.
October 28th, 2019 at 11:12 pm
How awesome would it be if the Bucs dealt JAMEIS WINSTON before the trade deadline to some team for a 3rd rounder? One can dream. 🙂
October 28th, 2019 at 11:12 pm
Package him and JayMiss and consider yourself lucky to rid of two big name busts.
Throw Licht in for good measure
Peace, out…
October 28th, 2019 at 11:12 pm
Ah what a healthy organization. Trading away a better player cause the senile old man and assistant QB coach don’t believe in throwing footballs to tight ends.
October 28th, 2019 at 11:13 pm
Lamarcus, how do you that this convo came from OJ Howard they got JPP all pissed off? Release your source bro, lol!
October 28th, 2019 at 11:15 pm
pats trying to fleece the bucs as usual
October 28th, 2019 at 11:18 pm
if we trade him, he’s gonna start acting like george kittle…and we will be laughed at by the whole league again
October 28th, 2019 at 11:18 pm
What’s it OJ?
October 28th, 2019 at 11:19 pm
Better not trade him, the dude is going to be amazing. On a good team he’ll be an all pro. Our rookie q.b. next season will be lucky to have him.
October 28th, 2019 at 11:23 pm
If Jason’s making the deal I’d rather keep him than trust that clown to get anything of value
October 28th, 2019 at 11:24 pm
If they trade O.J., Licht should be fired immediately.
This team is so screwed.
October 28th, 2019 at 11:25 pm
Y’all are fools smh
October 28th, 2019 at 11:26 pm
This just in Licht traded OJ to the Pats for a signed Belicheat sleeveless sweatshirt
October 28th, 2019 at 11:31 pm
I miss Dirk.
We should have hired Greg Williams as DC.
We fired Licht when in fact we should have fired Licht.
We were a RG and a RB away from the best offense in the NFL.
October 28th, 2019 at 11:33 pm
JW is not tradable. Too valuable of an asset. Maybe 2-3 first rounders and some 2-3 rounders yeah…… If not it’s a huge NO!!! and probably get the phone hung up on you.
Now with Donovan Smith , Perriman, Vh3 , OJ, Brate, and Peyton Barber now we’re talking 7th rounders
October 28th, 2019 at 11:38 pm
I wonder how many teams have inquired about Winston? 😂😂😂😂😂
October 28th, 2019 at 11:48 pm
we just traded winston and perriman to tennessee for mariota and humphries…
licht threw in his ron burgundy sports coat to sweeten the pot
October 28th, 2019 at 11:49 pm
the sports coat is legendary and was the key cog in the deal
October 28th, 2019 at 11:54 pm
I concur with what Elliot said if he is traded then fire Licht as well. Nobody wanted to draft a TE when we already had Brate yet Licht thought it was a good move. I like OJ Howard and am completely shocked how we have under utilized him. If he goes to the Patriots he will be a top TE in the league. Why not move him out to receiver position or try something different with the guy…It’s getting disgusting with how many misfires we have had in the draft.
October 28th, 2019 at 11:56 pm
Didn’t the pats already trade their first rounder next year?
October 28th, 2019 at 11:56 pm
Lamarcus thinks Jameis Winston is worth at least 2 or 3 first rounders plus additional picks
I mean holy sh!t man.
What is wrong with you. What planet do you live on?
How can you be this biased
Gotta be drugs …Are you sniffing glue ? Snorting paint chips ? Huffing gas?
Do we need to send over an ambulance ?
😂
October 29th, 2019 at 12:01 am
arians said oj has links to ice cream…
like mccoy did…
so he has to go…
no soft serve or sno cones allowed near BA’s bucs these days
October 29th, 2019 at 12:22 am
Patriots don’t have a second round pick they used it when they traded for Sanu. Knowing are GM he will trade him for the patriots 3rd rounder which is really almost like a 4th since they will pick 32nd. Then again not like it matter Gump can’t draft in the second round to save his life see the ex kicker for example.
October 29th, 2019 at 12:39 am
Guy is a hall of fame talent…. wow
October 29th, 2019 at 12:42 am
2-3 first rounders at best for JW.
October 29th, 2019 at 12:53 am
Lamarcus
Throw in Brady and Gilmore and NE still gets the better deal.
#TheMessiah
October 29th, 2019 at 1:08 am
@Lamarcus
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Dude, next year anyone will be able to sign Jameis Winston… FOR FREE.
Bucs aren’t going to franchise or extend him. They’ll let him freely test free agency. So any team can sign him for free.
October 29th, 2019 at 1:23 am
Bucsbandit
That’s right. Because it’s not up to you. Your the last guy probably anybody needs football advice from. Your probably the most unathletic of us all and for you give a professional football decision is questionable.
October 29th, 2019 at 1:36 am
Just watch… Licht will deal OJ to the Pats and we’ll watch him turn into the next Gronk for the next 5-10 years.
October 29th, 2019 at 3:12 am
This whole idea of trading OJ is dumber than dirt. And the Patriots are the LAST team I’d even think of trading with, and especially for one of their draft picks.
If you knew right now that you’d be trading a premier EXPERIENCED tight end for a 1st Rnd Patriots pick that Jason Lichtweight would use to draft a ROOKIE cornerback like say Vernon Hargreaves III, would you make the trade? I’m guessing no. I’m also guessing that scenario would be an all-too-real possibility.
Winning teams love to pick up EXPERIENCED starter-quality players that losing teams like the Bucs discard because losing teams have NO CLUE how to effectively employ their resources. The problem in this equation ISN’T OJ Howard. If the Bucs trade anyone by 4 PM today, please let it be our junior OC who’s clueless how to effectively use the talent that is available to him.
October 29th, 2019 at 3:12 am
October 28th, 2019 at 11:12 pm
How awesome would it be if the Bucs dealt JAMEIS WINSTON before the trade deadline to some team for a 3rd rounder? One can dream. 🙂
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IF Jameis is NOT dealt by the deadline, it’s a sure sign he will be re-signed and be the starter in 2020 … which will cause IDIOT fans like you to freak out, but that will only be because you’re not a 2x NFL COY & 2x Super Bowl champ coach who actually KNOWS how to evaluate QBs.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
JAMEIS WILL GET $$$ PAID $$$ AND BE STARTING IN TAMPA IN 2020 … AND 2021 … AND 2022
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
October 29th, 2019 at 3:19 am
Pair Jameis, VHIII and Howard for a slew of picks.
October 29th, 2019 at 3:48 am
You all know that July joe is Jameis’ agent ? Right ?
October 29th, 2019 at 6:18 am
No trade unless it is for a young GOOD starting RT…
October 29th, 2019 at 6:33 am
Like so many other “problem children” in the NFL, they all come from the same generation…Millennials. This generation is the epitome of self-centeredness, particularly within the sports world. Note the Patriots are not a Millennial packed team. They have men with some age on them who want to win and will do whatever it takes to win. That’s Bellicheck’ s secret. He will bring along a few Millennials but have them mentored by experienced men. The Bucs are overrun with Millennials and not enough successful veterans. So, I’m not all hep on trades for draft picks. This team is young enough. It’s killing them. It’s not their lack of intelligence, it’s their lack of will.
October 29th, 2019 at 7:19 am
Juice will dominate as a TE on any other team that knows how to scheme him into the game plan. He’s really been misused except when Monken/Koetter were calling the shots.
It makes no sense to trade a 1st round talent for another hit or miss 1st or 2nd round talent. This organization has underwhelmed with their draft prowess.
And I don’t agree that he’s a bad blocker. Secondly, you don’t draft a 1st round TE to be a blocker. Let him get out on routes. If you think Auclair is a great blocker, what exactly has he done for the passing game as a receiver? Not a dang thing.
I would rather utilize Juice’s ability to catch and take any given play for major YAC than be bogged down about his blocking. He’s dropped a few passes? So has Mike Evans. You hedge your bets on the upside more than the misses with talented players.
October 29th, 2019 at 7:28 am
He’s the only player and position with any trade value IMO. We need draft picks and a scouting department that knows physical talent and what it means to be a leader.
October 29th, 2019 at 7:40 am
It doesn’t matter what we get for Howard as long as Licht is around. One failed head coach and one failed franchise qb on his watch should be enough to get him fired, but I have my doubts.
If it’s the Patriot’s first rounder that would be good enough imho. We are not using him anyway and theres no way we’d resign him at this point. I bet that Belichick would make a player out of him too.
October 29th, 2019 at 7:56 am
Pork chop- I cannot believe I am about to say this, but you are spot on, lol. The decision making in OBP makes no sense at all. Since all you Gators ran out BoBo Wilson who was a total scape goat for our loss, Why is OJ not being used as the slot receiver. Then you can get Brate and OJ on the field at the same time. Since we cut Wilson (which we should have simply been removed from punt return duties and used in the slot) we got ourselves a Scotty Miller and Perriman. This is why you morons should just go away.
October 29th, 2019 at 8:07 am
I guess I just don’t get the ‘love’ for OJ. The only thing he has been consistent at has been getting injured.
I’m watching the same games you guys are and I see a guy dropping passes that hit him in the hands. He’s also got a ball security problem on top of it. Even being used sparingly, he should be catching those balls and making big plays. Either I have missed something or he’s just not as good as everyone thinks.
Everyone is expendable.
October 29th, 2019 at 8:25 am
Bucs won’t trade anyone, except for Barrett and JPP, nobody wants their garbage. Howard is injured half the time and Brate catches the ball and falls down. And face it the bucs have little room to negotiate.
October 29th, 2019 at 8:55 am
I’d make every player on the team available for trade. Take what you can get for any of them. Get as many draft picks as you can, and as much cap relief as you can. Then hire a new GM who will have plenty of ammo to rebuild this team the right way. We keep trying to fix this old house, but things are to badly broken. Need to scrape it to the ground, and hire a new contractor to build it from the ground up. Anything less will not work, because it has not worked.
October 29th, 2019 at 9:37 am
Defense Rules Says:
October 29th, 2019 at 3:12 am
If the Bucs trade anyone by 4 PM today, please let it be our junior OC who’s clueless how to effectively use the talent that is available to him.
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I have a better idea. How about we trade our idiotic semi-senile head coach? He wouldn’t recognize talent if it hit him in the head with a baseball bat!
October 29th, 2019 at 9:56 am
A second round pick !!! Are you Nuts !!! A first and a starter or a 2 and a starter with a good contract . The Guys physical numbers bring a first and change !!!!!! Give me one day and I will get a first and change and also a second for Brate !! Pro Bowl type TE s are nearly impossible to find and draft !!!
October 29th, 2019 at 10:01 am
Maybe we can trade Howard to Minnesota for Dalvin Cook- Straight up!! F-ing Licht
October 29th, 2019 at 10:28 am
Reminds me of when the Bears hired Mike Martz as OC… and he said he would be able to utilize talented TE Greg Olson… and then promptly traded him for way under the value he has shown in being the Panthers best offensive player over the last several years. If OJ isn’t going to succeed here, fine trade him. But it will come back as a mistake. We’re already making a huge mistake in not using him more and more effectively as it is already.
October 29th, 2019 at 11:15 am
Perennial losers. This team has been a disappointment since 2009. You could have literally done the entire team a huge favor by finding a serviceable running back and adding a couple of decent offensive line men. Instead the front office missed on 25 corners backs 15 defense ends. The decent players you had you let walk or you traded for picks you instead used to ignite this dumpster Fire you now call the 2019 buccaneers. And it seems like every year ownership and executive management add gasoline to the fire by making bad decision after bad decision. It will be another 5 years before we see anything resembling a team that is competitive, and that will only be the case if ownership can execute a good decision (lets be realistic here, making one has been a stretch). Joe we are potentially looking at 15 years of bad football, and if it has not already occurred, the implosion of a franchise. I think the Tampa Bay Area needs to hit the reset button on the buccaneers organization and let’s start something new. New ownership, fresh philosophies, a new mentality. This has to stop.
October 29th, 2019 at 4:40 pm
I would consider trading OJ (for at least a second rounder) – despite my guts telling me no – because Bucs aren’t going anywhere this season, and because it would provide an opportunity for Tanner Hudson to get on the field. In 2020, Bucs should prioritize offensive line and running back early, and improve its WR corps that has gone from being a deep group to just being top 2.