Fun With Film
October 13th, 2019
A week after Bucco Bruce Arians called his secondary soft, Vernon Hargreaves served up a cotton-ball coverage that is almost inexplicable.
Joe has pictures.
Hargreaves gave Panthers receiver D.J. Moore an 8 1/2 yard cushion on a 1st-and-10 play with the Panthers in the shotgun from the Bucs’ 33 yard line holding a 3-0 lead.
Somehow, Hargreaves watched Moore run right up to him and rub him off to the outside where he caught the ball with Hargreaves a full four yards away. After five yards of YAC (yards after catch), the result was a 23-yard gain.
See the images below. Hargreaves and Moore are at the top of the pictures.
How does this happen when Arians told everyone who would listen that Hargreaves is a press corner who just didn’t get the chance to thrive in press coverage in the previous defense?
How does this happen when the Bucs have the NFL’s largest coaching staff?
On the actual play, safety Andrew Adams is giving even more cushion to his receiver, who was wide open for an 11-yard gain but the ball wasn’t thrown his way. To make this play even more of a comedy show, Beau Allen dropped in coverage to pick up Christian McCaffrey.
Yes, Joe realizes the Bucs were playing zone, but you certainly can play a much tighter and less “soft” zone.
The 99-yard drive finished with a touchdown and the Bucs never recovered. And the best Joe could tell, Ryan Smith and Jamel Dean didn’t get their shot to replace Hargreaves.
October 13th, 2019 at 9:16 pm
Add VH 3 to the long list of bust drafted by Licht
October 13th, 2019 at 9:19 pm
Moore pushes off. How bout putting up a video instead of pictures that are used to prove your point?
October 13th, 2019 at 9:21 pm
Joe….I’m almost certain the bottom picture was the play where Vernon got manhandled and outphysicaled by the WR.
Everybody questioned what Bruce ment by soft? I say that play shows exactly what he meant.
It led to a TD btw. The one that should have honestly been ruled a goalline stand. I was quite angry for the bad call by the refs at the time but Winston’s turnovers made that complaint a mute point.
October 13th, 2019 at 9:21 pm
Keep searching for a reason we lost……it’s 7 turnovers…..not VH3, Sports Science or Mike Evans……and certainly not Matt Gay
October 13th, 2019 at 9:23 pm
Get rid of him!!!!
October 13th, 2019 at 9:23 pm
VH3 knows he’s not very fast, so he’s inclined to give the faster receivers too much cushion off the snap. This is the result. Because he’s not fast enough to break on the ball and even make the tackle. Bowls likes to pressure and leave his corners on an island but Vernon is just too afraid of getting beat deep.
October 13th, 2019 at 9:24 pm
The only QB that doesn’t torch zone coverage is Jay-Miss.
October 13th, 2019 at 9:24 pm
99 yard drive should never happen against a backup.
October 13th, 2019 at 9:24 pm
Anyways Joe ……The full scene of that play shows truely how bad Vernon is. He can’t play in this league. Micheal Thomas throwing him around last week was one thing but Moore is a nothing in this league.
Letting that guy destroy you like that is a whole nother animal.
Soft just got even softer if ya ask me.
October 13th, 2019 at 9:32 pm
Winston would be throwing picks to VH3, perhaps VH3 should play for the Panthers? I think it’s absolutely hilarious this CB has become the target.
October 13th, 2019 at 9:34 pm
“”Tampabaybucfan Says:
October 13th, 2019 at 9:21 pm
Keep searching for a reason we lost……it’s 7 turnovers…..not VH3, Sports Science or Mike Evans……and certainly not Matt Gay”
Even JoeBucsFan is running out of targets at this point, they put up a full fight to save Licht for #3.
October 13th, 2019 at 9:42 pm
Mh1023..……that’s just inaccurate……There’s an article on the page with Winston’s picture and the headline says “embarrassment”
Last time I checked there’s tons of articles about a team with tons to critize……..Though I know Joe loves him some Mike Evans a article about his choke job job today is highly in order.
October 13th, 2019 at 9:44 pm
Season is over.
This team is pathetic.
Licht should be fired immediately.
Leftwich sucks.
BA is only here for a paycheck.
I said 6-10 this season. That looks like a reach.
Absolute embarrassment to Bucs fans.
October 13th, 2019 at 9:46 pm
So this is how this season is most likely going to go down.
We will have a promising second half w sporadic glimpses of hope, we will be fed that in the off-season as reasons for optimism going forward, JW will get franchised, Licht will stick around to put this team in the hole even further, and we will suck again in 2020.
I know it’s all about “retooling” and not rebuilding. But this thing is FLAWED at its core. Unfortunately we can’t fire the Glaziers. Just need to replace the person making the decisions w their checkbook.
October 13th, 2019 at 9:48 pm
Do you think the Dolphins would give up Fitz for JW3? Let Rosen and JW battle it out? Get the Beard back in action?
#FreeTheAmishRifle
October 13th, 2019 at 9:50 pm
If the Titans turn to a backup, the Bucs are certain to lose that game.. the Cardinals are finding ways to win so the Bucs may not find another win… They might get 1 or 2 by freak accident (like Rams game)..
October 13th, 2019 at 9:52 pm
Figures you’re overreacting…..Give this team a chance to rebound. It’ll be a tough two weeks for sure but give me a win out of the bye and it won’t look so bleek. Seattle sounds rough right now but we must win that first home game when we get back.
No matter what this team has as good a chance as any to finish strong…..Bad football teams crumble at moments like this. Let’s see what this team does.
GOOO BUCS!!!!
October 13th, 2019 at 9:54 pm
In real time Bruce and Byron looked just a tad irked with JW. It will be interesting to hear whose fault it was/was not after film study. Right side of the line was painful to watch and it seemed to trickle over to some unusually poor performances on the left side… et tu Ali?
October 13th, 2019 at 9:58 pm
Mike10 just wrote exactly what I’ve been thinking because the Glazers are paid to lose by the NFL and are losers. How quickly do you think the Glazers would sell this team if they stopped getting a check from the league?
October 13th, 2019 at 9:59 pm
#LichtsOut movement back in full effect. Snagging BA isn’t enough to keep him around. A secret five year extension in February likely is, however.
October 13th, 2019 at 10:09 pm
Jameis sucks.
October 13th, 2019 at 10:10 pm
Think he fell down 4 times can’t remember how moany times he got burnt ! I ate a burger and laughed and told my buddies I’m going to go take a Vernon hargraves! Pathetic
October 13th, 2019 at 10:14 pm
Winston is awful, nothing else matters.
October 13th, 2019 at 10:20 pm
Glazers need to sell the team, fire Licht.
October 13th, 2019 at 10:21 pm
It’s VH3, it’s the pass rush, it’s the huge coaching staff, it’s the crappy O line, it’s JayMiss, it’s the entire secondary, it’s the non special teams, it’s the front office….
Let’s face it; the whole thing stinks to high Heaven and has since Chucky was jettisoned.
Bottom line: let’s stop fooling ourselves; this isn’t getting any better.
Burn the freaking mess down and start over.
If Tennessee can admit Mariota was a failure, what can’t the Bucs?
October 13th, 2019 at 10:32 pm
Make only one of the Glazer boys the owner of the team. At the end of the day, they are three different men with three different opinions. Who is Licht’s boss? Does Licht try to play off one against the other brothers if they want to overrule something? The other two sons can maintain non voting shares of the team but this starts with OWNERSHIP!
October 13th, 2019 at 10:35 pm
Yea Vernon sucks but this game is 100% on winston. #1 this week in passing yards and embarrassing to see it because its 400 yards, 1 td and 5 ints.
Make no mistake this was worse than the bengals game last year. No Dirk koetter excuses for him are available, he’s some of the best coaches in the business, it was talked about all offseason. I call it like I see it and this staff doesn’t have the guts to make changes so they will continue to play winston and VH3.
Winston never threw 5 ints as a rookie, RG4 can play that bad no reason to play a guy 20 mil to suck, let the guy making 1 mil do that
October 13th, 2019 at 10:40 pm
If the Bucs admit JW is awful, the man who drafted him, and the man you just gave a 5yr contract extension to, has to go as well.
October 13th, 2019 at 10:52 pm
@ JimmyJack
A breath of fresh air……some optimism in the face of utter gloom but you are right….it can be turned around…..and I also support & root for Jameis as long as he’s a Buc…..
It’s hard to be a diehard fan…..but I wouldn’t have it any other way.
October 13th, 2019 at 10:53 pm
On that note….if the Jets can beat the Cowboys…..and we can beat LA @ LA……anything can happen.
October 13th, 2019 at 11:01 pm
There is no way this game was worse than the Bengals game last year. All of the picks in that game were on JW. Today only 2 if the TOs were on him, but what does it matter you guys dont believe in FACTS or film you just say whatever you want and take it as truth.
October 13th, 2019 at 11:09 pm
Trade OJ Howard and Vernon Hargreaves for Patrick Peterson and a 7th rounder.
Anybody else think that Bobo Wilson is the worst punt returner in Bucs history??
October 13th, 2019 at 11:22 pm
Cappa and Dotson hurt. But defense couldn’t do anything. We don’t have a pass rush. Why send blitz if we don’t have DB!!
Jameis is on something. He was a tourist check out his wife instagram. He was lost. Was not focus. Lost this game.
October 13th, 2019 at 11:24 pm
What do you expect, this team is owned by a bunch of trust fund babies who have never done anything but live off of what their dad built. F YOU Glazers!!!
October 14th, 2019 at 12:04 am
That’s Hargraves pic number two todaylol. I knew Joe would deflect Winstons piss poor season by blaming Hargraves. No corner has played well here since Ronde Barber but sure deflect all ya want. JoeJameisfan.com … Joe wrote about Jameis. See headline: International Embarrassment. –Joe
October 14th, 2019 at 12:42 am
Send OJ and Vernon to NE for the McCourty Bros. Bill might bite on OJ
October 14th, 2019 at 1:18 am
Vernon Hargreaves is garbage.
Shocker I know…
So is Jameis Winston!
October 14th, 2019 at 1:31 am
NDOG,
You put 2 ints on JW, which 2?
You ever heard of the stat that tracks interceptionable balls. Not ints, but balls that were dropped by defenders? There’s another stat along the same line, bad throws?
October 14th, 2019 at 1:43 am
Sports Science is my God
October 14th, 2019 at 3:57 am
Let’s hold open tryouts at OneBuc cuz TBH at this point… I mean
FVCK IT! Right?
October 14th, 2019 at 4:06 am
BTW anyone on here who says some idiot blah blah blabbering POSITIVE TALK
like… “Cmon guyz just gotta believe, it can happen.”
You are all SAD and probably are the same type a Bros who’s wives or GFs get rammed by other Bros then say, “Well It could change, I love her.”
This team is DISGUSTING absolutely DISGRACEFUL
EVERY SEASON SELLING LIES AND HOPE
All while led into the fire of Fan Hell that is Glazer Nation Baby!!!
Glazer Nation I can just Hearn dick Cítale right now
“LICHT NATION BA-BYYYY!!! IT’S AWE-SOOOOME!”
Fans do crazy stuff…. like work a 16 hr shift wesring their Bucs gear then tay up with no sleep in 48 hrs to watch their team play a NATIONAL GAME ON NFL NETWORK. And then …… you do this to me!!!!
This like walking in on your wife with another guy on Valentine’s Day THAT my friends is called being BETRAYED!!!
and this management and ownership has BETRAYED US ALL
October 14th, 2019 at 4:08 am
BTW anyone on here who says some idiot blah blah blabbering POSITIVE TALK
like… “Cmon guyz just gotta believe, it can happen.”
You are all SAD and probably are the same type a Bros who’s wives or GFs get rammed by other Bros then say, “Well It could change, I love her.”
This team is DISGUSTING absolutely DISGRACEFUL
EVERY SEASON SELLING LIES AND HOPE
All while led into the fire of Fan Hell that is Glazer Nation Baby!!!
Glazer Nation I can just hear VITALE right now
“LICHT NATION BA-BYYYY!!! IT’S AWE-SOOOOME!”
Fans do crazy stuff…. like work a 16 hr shift wesring their Bucs gear then tay up with no sleep in 48 hrs to watch their team play a NATIONAL GAME ON NFL NETWORK. And then …… you do this to me!!!!
This like walking in on your GF with another guy on Valentine’s Day THAT my friends is called being BETRAYED!!!
and this management and ownership has BETRAYED US ALL
October 14th, 2019 at 4:09 am
BTW anyone on here who says some idiot blah blah blabbering POSITIVE TALK
like… “Cmon guyz just gotta believe, it can happen.”
You are all SAD and probably are the same type a Bros who’s wives or GFs get rammed by other Bros then say, “Well It could change, I love her.”
This team is DISGUSTING absolutely DISGRACEFUL
October 14th, 2019 at 4:10 am
EVERY SEASON SELLING LIES AND HOPE
All while led into the fire of Fan Hell that is Glazer Nation Baby!!!
Glazer Nation I can just hear VITALE right now
“LICHT NATION BA-BYYYY!!! IT’S AWE-SOOOOME!”
October 14th, 2019 at 5:14 am
What Joe? No Mike Smith apologies yet? Scapegoat Smitty (who himself quit on us IMO) had even less to work with than TB does.
Must be maddening for DCs when they simply don’t have the horses to pull the wagon.
October 14th, 2019 at 6:26 am
I swear I thought I was watching Mike Smith coverages yesterday. WTH?!
VHIII has no business as a starting corner in this league. He has been officially ‘outed’ by every team we have faced.
October 14th, 2019 at 6:56 am
Those pics are worth 1000 words. You can’t have any pass D with cushions like that. Last year I thought it was M. Smiths coaching. Now I still wonder why Our coaches lets that BS happen. Soft does not begin to describe Hargraves. A 10 year old could get a 1st down against coverage that bad!
October 14th, 2019 at 7:41 am
@Tye: you are spot on about thee Titans matchup in 2 weeks, unless Tannehill gets injured against the Chargers next week you can bet the Bucs will see him instead of Marcus M and even if Marcus M starts and stinks it up there is a good chance the game will be like Carolina game #1 where the Bucs were extremely fortunate to get a W and there is an excellent chance Winston would match Mariota mistake for mistake while Tannehill would probably have a career day that will fool the Titans into thinking they have a good qb (see the NY Giants and Danny Dimes)….. About the potential W’s, yeah the Falcons and Cards look suspect now too; ATL could be tanking but Quinn and Koetter will likely be playing for their jobs when the one win ATL plays our 2 or 3 win Bucs come November 25th. ATL vs TB…… Oh yeah that ought to be a defensive battle for the ages…….
October 14th, 2019 at 8:09 am
John Says:
October 13th, 2019 at 9:19 pm
Moore pushes off. How bout putting up a video instead of pictures that are used to prove your point?
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Tampabaybucfan Says:
October 13th, 2019 at 9:21 pm
Keep searching for a reason we lost……it’s 7 turnovers…..not VH3, Sports Science or Mike Evans……and certainly not Matt Gay
BINGO!!!!!!!!
GO BUCS!!!!!!
October 14th, 2019 at 8:49 am
Not on VH3, that was a push off. Get on the refs for this one joe.
October 14th, 2019 at 8:51 am
VH3 actually played this perfectly, the push off was obvious to me. I’m sure there is better examples of poor play then a no call.
October 14th, 2019 at 9:21 am
VH3 secretly being coached by Mike Smith in his free time apparently.
October 14th, 2019 at 10:25 am
I remain convinced this Ownership group is NOT committed to winning and is more concerned with making money. And that may be the core issue with this franchise.
October 14th, 2019 at 10:55 am
last ranked pass defense in the league …. is anyone paying attention?
October 14th, 2019 at 11:00 am
Delpit i guess if we’re keeping jaMISS!
October 14th, 2019 at 11:07 am
813 right on cue defending his boy VH3- the 92nd best DB in the league 😂😂
October 14th, 2019 at 1:19 pm
Vh3 knows he’s too slow to stay with anyone so he’ll be Mr. Softee all day.
Bench him. Put in Dean. Anyone else.