Arians Issues A Fresh Comparison Of His 2-5 Bucs To His Winning Cardinals
October 31st, 2019
After Bucco Bruce Arians finished his intensive physical exam at a Tampa hospital and hours later took the Buccaneers gig, he then spent a lot of time studying his roster.
Arians liked what he saw and made it very clear multiple times to various media; the Bucs’ turnaround job would be no more difficult and perhaps easier than what he did in Arizona, when he grabbed the top job there in 2013.
Those 2013 Cardinals came off a 5-11 season, just like the Bucs, and they were gritty and physical. They were 10-5 heading into the 2013 season finale against a powerful 49ers team that would reach the NFC title game. Arizona spotted San Francisco a 17-0 lead before dropping a 23-20 decision on a last-second field goal.
Now seven games into his Bucs career, Arians is sitting with a 2-5 record and with the first three-game, regular-season losing streak of his NFL head coaching career.
In a conference call this week documented by the Seattle Times, Arians was asked how close are his Bucs and the franchise are to reaching what he had in Arizona?
“In Arizona, we were way behind offensively, especially with the offensive line, and we were probably ahead defensively; we had Patrick Peterson, Daryl Washington, Calais Campbell, Darnell Dockett, some of those guys,” he said. “So, the defense was further ahead than where we’re at right now. I think Carson Palmer solidified that locker room for us. Jameis (Winston) is still learning it. There are a lot of similarities.”
There’s that locker room talk again from Arians, and this time it references the critical role his old QB played. But it Tampa, the preseason message to Jameis Winston was stop trying to lead and stop turning the ball over. Unfortunately, only one message got through — the one that shouldn’t have been delivered.
Arians is right, that Cardinals defense carried the team early and through the season, which they ended on a 6-2 run. They were the No. 1-ranked run defense (sound familiar?) but they played the pass well and allowed just 20 points per game while the offense came on strong in the second half of the season.
Hopefully, Arians is correct when it comes to similarities of the teams. Sunday in Seattle will be a great test.
October 31st, 2019 at 3:35 pm
“Carson Palmer solidified that locker room for us”
case closed. we’re f**ked
October 31st, 2019 at 3:40 pm
Please Please Please do not compare Winston to Palmer. Palmer was a winner in Cincinnati before he left for Oakland, then Arizona. Winston’s done nothing to warrant a leadership role in the locker room. Just stop with it. Jameis needs to focus on playing QB well. Do that. Be a leader through you actions first.
October 31st, 2019 at 3:47 pm
how many coaches is this going to make now that JW has gotten fired.
Americas career crusher
October 31st, 2019 at 3:51 pm
Carson Palmer, years prior to his Cardinals tenure, had measurable success leading the Cincinnati Bengals to a couple of division titles, finishing within League MVP talks in his second season. When we was with the Cardinals, he had over a decade of experience.
Jameis Winston is a 5th year guy whose accomplishments center around throwing for a lot of yards (and turnovers) for some awful Bucs teams, while serving a suspension for molesting an Uber driver.
Pretty rough to compare the two.
October 31st, 2019 at 3:52 pm
If you want similarities watch Doug Williams A Football Life
October 31st, 2019 at 3:56 pm
America’s Pro Bowler Coach Killer. You can’t fix stupid and you can’t coach stubborn. 9 more games, then we get to start all over. I wonder what other “NFL ready” QB will be available this year.
October 31st, 2019 at 4:01 pm
Not a problem that we didn’t get the instant turnaround like the Cardinals.
What is the problem is we are still unable to play competent professional football. The bare minimum for Bruce is to give us a solid football team yet we hear about communication issues on defense all year and last week give up a TD the same freaking way.
Missing assignments, receivers running their routes out of bounds, players slipping and sliding all over the place, an abundance of stupid needless pentalties, Brate drops two last week Mike drops 4 points(that 11 total and counting).
And Bruce is telling us his team aren’t prepared…..Yeah no crap welcome to Tampa. That’s our brand of ball here and it’s your job to fix. Freaking lose me a darn hard fought game at least. Enough of this Mickey mouse generic mistake riddled football!!Put a darn quality product on the field.
If you can’t teach these players the fundamentals you just are not a good coach. Period.
October 31st, 2019 at 4:02 pm
***END RANT***
October 31st, 2019 at 4:12 pm
Charlie Brown teacher said what ?
October 31st, 2019 at 4:13 pm
BA will be fine once he gets a NFL QB….Jameis is really ..really …BAD…MY GAWD folks….in ANY sport…at ANY level….Jameis would have been benched LONG ago…this is the NFL….and Jameis has started far too long…like staring at your road kill puppy thinking it is going to come back to life…
October 31st, 2019 at 4:19 pm
DB55
Picking at low hanging fruit there, Doug was a winner, and while there were racist fans, there were plenty who loved him (count me in). Culver house being a penny pincher and a racist was Doug’s undoing. I don’t think the Glazers are either one…just morons.
October 31st, 2019 at 4:21 pm
Great article Joe, thanks. I don’t agree with some of the similarities though, especially about the 2013 Cards defense. Halfway through their 2013 season, the Cards were 4-4, then went 6-2 to finish at 10-6. That team had 18 TOs in the first 8 games, same as we’ve had in 7 games (very similar). Their defense REALLY shined in their wins that 1st half, allowing a total of 50 points in those 4 wins … mostly against losing teams (Lions, Bucs, Panthers & Falcons had a combined record that year of 27-37). But they allowed a total of 124 points in their 4 losses … all against very good offenses (Rams, Saints, 49ers & Seahawks had a combined record that year of 43-21).
Thus the 2013 Cards mostly beat the teams they SHOULD have beaten, and lost to the teams they’d be expected to lose to in that 1st half season. They did better in the 2nd half of the season though, beating BOTH the Rams & the Seahawks (both of whom they’d lost to in the 1st half of the season).
The Cards’ defense actually improved a little in the 2nd half, but not dramatically. They surrendered 174 pts in the first 8 games, and 150 pts in the last 8 games. The Cards’ offense on the other hand improved considerably, scoring 160 pts in the first 8 games to scoring 219 pts in the last 8 games. So the improvement in the 2013 Cards OFFENSE was really the biggest factor in their 2nd half of the season. They still turned the ball over a whole bunch IMO (13 TOs in the last 8 games versus 18 TOs in the 1st half). Interestingly, their 2 losses in the second half of the season (to Eagles & 49ers) were both by only 3 points, BUT … they lost the TO battle in BOTH of those games.
I don’t personally expect that our 2019 Bucs’ offense will have similar results, although I expect that our defense will. I HOPE I’m wrong though.
October 31st, 2019 at 4:22 pm
Let JW walk next year and sign Teddy Bridgewater for leadership and talent. Then let’s see what BA can do.
October 31st, 2019 at 4:32 pm
Lol good luck with that Mike!
October 31st, 2019 at 4:35 pm
“Let JW walk next year and sign Teddy Bridgewater for leadership and talent. Then let’s see what BA can do.”
Face meet palm.
October 31st, 2019 at 4:39 pm
So does he guarantee a win in Seattle? Then talk to the hand 🖐️
October 31st, 2019 at 4:41 pm
Carson Palmer sucked. This team is soooooo screwed.
October 31st, 2019 at 4:44 pm
Oh BTW, forgot to mention that the 2013 Cards defense was loaded with veteran players. And they’d done quite well the previous year as a defense BTW, with players like LB Daryl Washington, CB Patrick Peterson, DE Calais Campbell, DT Darnell Dockett & NT Dan Williams to name just a few. Then they added a rookie Safety named Tyrann Mathieu in 2013 plus FAs DE John Abraham & LB Karlos Dansby. That was a pretty solid EXPERIENCED core for Todd Bowles to work with. More than likely having a very INEXPERIENCED Secondary like we have has been a real challenge for TB.
October 31st, 2019 at 4:44 pm
Ok he didn’t suck but he was only slightly above mediocre.
October 31st, 2019 at 4:53 pm
Bruce Arians was NFL coach of the year twice. Todd Bowles is an excellent defensive coach. I think they both miscalculated the secondary and particularly Vernon Hargreaves talent and now they are scrambling. Jameis isnt Carson Palmer but anyone who suggests Palmer was some great QB prior to coming to Arizona would be incorrect as well. Jameis is more of a risk taker and also not as good under pressure. Whether he pans out remains to be seen but his rope is getting very short. I trust BA will figure this out but if Jameis is not the guy i hope BA stays around to get us in the right direction because anyone who thinks we have had a quality head coach since Gruden is wrong. We are lucky to have BA and if we chase him out of town just because we thought we had more talent we are just dumb reactionary fans. The guy was Bear Bryants OC has coached several winning QBs and has done well as a head coach and is PASSIONATE about winning. Thats enough for me get off his back.
October 31st, 2019 at 4:57 pm
Joe, when does Winston merit the “ w eatin, eye squintin, pic throwing, careless fumblin, not looking off coverage, ex- America’s quarterback”
adjective laden prefixes like everyone else you feature?
October 31st, 2019 at 4:59 pm
Arizona didn’t have our quick to quit culture. They were in the Super Bowl just a few years prior. It’s easier to make guys believe they can win when they’ve done it a time or two. We have guys that quit on the entire season after one unnecessary roughness call in week one. We have guys that mail it in after the press was nice to them after a week one win. And last but not least we have guys that see a QB hand the ball over like it’s a live grenade and they have to defend a field that’s only 6 yards long
October 31st, 2019 at 5:02 pm
Nick
Well written! No hyperbolic bs. Convinced me to give BA some more rope.
Besides all coaches should have at least two and I think three years if they take over a basket case like the Bucs.
October 31st, 2019 at 5:04 pm
The 2nd youngest roster sees through Arians BS
He is a fraud
October 31st, 2019 at 5:08 pm
No, Jameis cannot be the franchise guy, cannot lead given his past. That is the main thing dividing this fan base. He has to earn it back slowly, and you don’t do that over night. They did it the right way….be the QB first, and then we’ll talk about leadership if there is even a future for this dirtbag. And there is not. Not here.
October 31st, 2019 at 5:27 pm
Did Bruce ” Lack of preparation H – didn’t really miss coaching but why not” Arians have a golf cart in Arizona?
If he did I bet it was Red…
October 31st, 2019 at 5:32 pm
Don’t confuse eating Ws, getting amped up, jumping around like a fool, being careless while fearless with the football, getting suspended, and getting your team mates suspended….to be leadership. Showing fire and emotion a la Brady, Brees, Wilson, Mahones is what is needed. Show strong character and conviction, lead by example. Winston doesn’t have that in him.
October 31st, 2019 at 5:34 pm
Gonna be fun to welcome Bucco Bruce, Jameis, and the failure squad home to an empty stadium and national media jokes. It was funny though seeing the Titan’s mascot eating Ws as he mocked Winston.
October 31st, 2019 at 5:39 pm
Nick
Or he’s here to pad his retirement fund
October 31st, 2019 at 5:47 pm
The 1 year Jameis had a winning season ( 2016) included a 5 game winning streak.
The most significant stat in those 5 games was Bucs won the turnover battle every game of that streak.
Unfortunately, with possible playoffs on the line, they lost the next 2 games after the streak. What happened? They lost the turnover battle.
The facts are undeniable- Bucs are losing because they lose the turnover battle …the rest is smoke and rationalizing.
October 31st, 2019 at 5:47 pm
“Lol heading toward 3-13
This clown talks like he wont take the blame nor responsible
Koetter is going to teach BA a lesson in front of the Glazers and the Bucsfan
BA,BA,BA
My Dad wants to know what you did to our top offense
Open your eyes and ears
the blood coming out of your ears is the BS your hearing from this BSer”
Son of Kobe Faker
Kobe Faker coming back 4 days 8 hours
October 31st, 2019 at 5:50 pm
Jamis Winston is still learning. Learning learning what? Five years now for God’s sake stop the s–t he’s still learning good grief. 4-12 God have mercy on our souls.
October 31st, 2019 at 5:53 pm
I guarantee a win in Seattle.
Any takers?!
October 31st, 2019 at 5:57 pm
Ill be your Huckleberry
Poster deathmatch?
Seattle wins
If I lose,
Son of Kobe Faker and Kobe Faker
will stop posting
October 31st, 2019 at 6:00 pm
Son of idiot…
What top offence do you speak of? Football is won by point on the score board not yards gained. Yards mean NOTHING if you don’t score. 2018- 24pts per game. 2019-28pts per game. Educate yourself on the game and stop being a blowhard.
October 31st, 2019 at 6:02 pm
@Pancakeblock…you forgot Uber ridin’ bench sittin’ crableg stealin’ crotch grabbin’ fine payin’ civil suit eatin’
Hmmm….I guess he’s not a leader after all.
October 31st, 2019 at 6:05 pm
LOL
wait til the end of the season
the rams game will average out
u think your perriman/miller is better than last year?
last year our short passing game wasnt the best but this years OC wannabe has no short passing attack whatsoever
JW and the Tightends have regressed
JW is playing his worst football in his career
why is that?
October 31st, 2019 at 6:15 pm
Gonna need some high boots for the rest of this season. The BS is getting deeper each time Bruce speaks.
October 31st, 2019 at 6:20 pm
Ok, the rams game will average out. Can say the same about the saint game week 1 last year. I’m not arguing that there has been some regression in areas, but there has also been improvement in other areas. My argument is that we were no where close to a top offence last year. Points are all that matter and last year we were scoring fewer per game. As for JW playing the worst of his career, he’s the same cat he’s always been. Tiger don’t change his stripes. Always been streaky, just like you and your dads shorts.
October 31st, 2019 at 6:23 pm
Carson Palmer wasn’t some all time great BUT Jameis isn’t anywhere near the QB Palmer was… That compassion just reveals how delusional some can be and how desperate some are to link JW to anyone that had winning attributes…
The best comparison is to Josh Freeman, who after leaving the Bucs, could not hack it in the NFL as a backup… I’m convinced once JW moves on, he will play out the same way.. other teams will not coddle him and simplify things for him just to keep him around screwing up and losing!
October 31st, 2019 at 6:32 pm
BA is a bull$hitter…..but a likable bull$hitter….
October 31st, 2019 at 6:34 pm
the Bucs are so freaking weird of a franchise. We’ll probably win this game and then lose at home to Arizona or something.
October 31st, 2019 at 7:06 pm
Todd.. time to put the bottle down.. Winston will lose the game.. I guarantee.
October 31st, 2019 at 7:07 pm
I am not a fan of Klueless and last years offense
Not sure if posters watch other teama
Goff was a bust under fisher and turned into a superbowl qb under Mcvay
changed colors
not sure if peeps know that ABSOLUTELY NO TEAM IN THE NFL plays the long developing vertical scheme that BA tries to play against the present NFL defenses
31 other teams are stupid?
JW has the worst luck. he came into the league with the worst t2 schemes
JW3 thrives in the quick timing west coast offense
JW3 WOULD HAVE THE EXACT SAME STATS AND WINS IF JW3 AND MAHOMES CHANGED PLACES
MAHOMES would be injured and have 2x more ints under QB killer BA
Big ben is gone
Tim mcnoun is gone
Luck is gone
palmer is gone
October 31st, 2019 at 7:08 pm
Really hope I am wrong… bye Jay miss
October 31st, 2019 at 8:27 pm
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October 31st, 2019 at 9:01 pm
Is this the same Todd who predicted a 7-0 start?
Todd Says:
June 6th, 2019 at 4:34 am
You heard it here first.
The Bucs will be 7-0 through the first 6 games.
Yeah, the math works. Because they will have also defeated the national media who is totally overlooking the Bucs.
7-0
October 31st, 2019 at 9:05 pm
5 years in the hole…
October 31st, 2019 at 9:13 pm
We gonna beat Seattle in Seattle. 38-34. Bucs win and we beat the Cardinals 4-5
October 31st, 2019 at 9:18 pm
Winners win, BS Artists just throw it.
Peace, out
October 31st, 2019 at 10:04 pm
If Emmanuel sanders can line up at FB certainly OJ can line up at flanker, can he not? Ijs.
October 31st, 2019 at 10:14 pm
Veteran QB Carson Palmer had 14 Interceptions in his first 7 games running Bruce Arian’s offense.
Just Sayin…..
October 31st, 2019 at 10:15 pm
I’m just thinking if you’re going to spend a 2nd rnd pick on a Rb you might want to feature him. It’s not like any other back is blocking.
October 31st, 2019 at 10:19 pm
I thought cardinals would be a win
Are
You watching these two QBs
October 31st, 2019 at 10:25 pm
“Unfortunately, only one message got through — the one that shouldn’t have been delivered.”
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Why? Because you want to see more eye rolls from his teammates? You have a fetish for W licking? Sorry, but I think he should be more focused on the offense and less on trying to play leader.
October 31st, 2019 at 10:28 pm
Who would you rather have :
A- kyler Murray
B- jimmy garrapola
C- Jameis Winston
October 31st, 2019 at 10:30 pm
DB55 Says:
“If you want similarities watch Doug Williams A Football Life.”
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Jameis is playing on a $20+ million dollar contract that he really has not earned. There is absolutely no comparison, and I resent your implication. We are all used to the way you think, though.
October 31st, 2019 at 10:31 pm
Hey guys…we beat the Seahawks last time we played them and big time!!…with just about the same team and same ol’Jameis..so I don’t get the freak out over next game..be positive for once…
October 31st, 2019 at 10:34 pm
“I wish we were running BA playcalling like Palmer”
JW3
October 31st, 2019 at 10:36 pm
Good thing they didnt try to trade Patrick Peterson….he looks lost out there tonight….wouldve hurt us bad if we gave up a ransom for him.
October 31st, 2019 at 10:36 pm
B
October 31st, 2019 at 10:37 pm
Mike in MO Says:
“Let JW walk next year and sign Teddy Bridgewater…”
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We’ve had the Saint’s last project quarterback on our bench for the last 3 years, and still don’t know why.
October 31st, 2019 at 10:39 pm
The only article I want to read is the one saying the house cleaning has started. As long as the cancer is here this team is going no where. Time to start over fire everyone down to the damn water boy. Get a real GM and president of football operations and build a real NFL franchise. Enough with this peewee BS..
October 31st, 2019 at 10:40 pm
Iamabuc
You will know in the 1st quarter if the Bucs have a chance
Good vs bad Jameis is pretty obvious early on
And they usually don’t change character
You get one or the other
October 31st, 2019 at 10:44 pm
Son of Kobe Faker Says:
“Koetter is going to teach BA a lesson in front of the Glazers and the Bucsfan… My Dad wants to know what you did to our top offense…
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Koetter is all yards and no points. Your dad is wrong on this one.
October 31st, 2019 at 10:49 pm
Arians had Palmer then, and has Winston now. So basically, Arians and the Bucs are f&cked.
October 31st, 2019 at 11:08 pm
Lynch has put together a great roster…. fire every one , dump this crap roster and hire Derek Brooks as GM!
October 31st, 2019 at 11:11 pm
Arians had Payton, Andrew, Carson looks like a genius!!!! Now he has Winston and looks like an F in Clown! QBs he had made his career
October 31st, 2019 at 11:14 pm
I told ya about Joey Isabella all summer long but wtfdik
October 31st, 2019 at 11:16 pm
LOL, Arizona is going to kill our DB’s….whew buddy, 2 more losses coming right up!
October 31st, 2019 at 11:16 pm
October 31st, 2019 at 10:28 pm
Who would you rather have :
A- kyler Murray
B- jimmy garrapola
C- Jameis Winston
October 31st, 2019 at 11:17 pm
It’s fun to watch some QBs
November 1st, 2019 at 12:03 am
The gm is the problem. He drafted all these mentally weak players. Every year there were hardened power 5 conference players who fell to us and we passed for these mentally weak players. I even think now that Devin white is weak minded just like oj and heargraves. They have all the talent but play so timid. When have you seen a professional player asked to be downgraded to being a nickel corner. We draft mental midgets year after year. Then wonder why are team makes the same mistakes week after week. In the words of ian beckles we have no dogs still. Devin white plays scared and timid where as the other mlb drafted behind him plays with the word I hate swag and emotion. Where Devin just looks like he is going through the motions with no emotion. I really thought he would be a monster and blow up running backs like he did the holder on the fake. But he just seems so timid to which is not a good quality for a mlb. We see where a timid nice guy dt did for us in 8 seasons. You have to have an attitude to play this game. It seems that are three recent 1st round picks minus vea are playing timid and thinking to much. Playing not to screw up and making easy coverages reads catches harder than they should for fear of screwing up. Man how different would we look with cub from LSU that panthers drafted last year and greedy Williams’s this year versus Stewart and bunting. We are a soft team. Heargraves loves celebrating incomplete passes when the receiver drops them and he was 5 yards away. He is in good coverage a lot of times but lacks ball awareness and panicked when the ball arrives and gets him self out of good coverage. These coaches thinking they can correct this stuff are waistinf there time they are who they are. Which brings me to the biggest problem Jameis. The coach killer. He makes drives that make you say wow like the one he went to mike Evans the whole way down with money balls then the next drive throws a ball that all 22 doesn’t know who the intended receiver was that gets picked. But the one thing that bothers me the most is coaching where are the screens and slants. If the o line is sucking why not throw more quick slants to two big bodied receivers and screens to oj and runninbacks seem to always work as long as Jameis doesn’t double pump fake himself
November 1st, 2019 at 12:39 am
@ Bird
B
November 1st, 2019 at 12:50 am
Dom>Licht Says:
“Derek Brooks as GM!”
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1. Peyton Manning – if he would lower himself enough to grace our building (OBP). The Albert Einstein of the NFL.
2. Rondé Barber
3. Chris Sims
4. Derrick Brooks – I’m still spooked about the Storm folding, but obviously the Bucs’ financial situation is a bit different.
November 1st, 2019 at 1:00 am
@ Jeffbuc
“It seems that are three recent 1st round picks minus vea are playing timid and thinking to much.”
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It makes sense now that we know that their example of corporate leadership are the transticle-cheerleader-pushing babylonian owners, and a shockingly obsessed and delusional GM who boosts his self-confidence by LARPing on sports blog sites.
November 1st, 2019 at 1:15 am
what if:
what if bruce retired those funny hats and never wore them again ?
November 1st, 2019 at 2:00 am
Bucs are in a Blake Bortles situation, minus the good defense.
November 1st, 2019 at 2:05 am
adam from ny Says:
“what if bruce retired those funny hats and never wore them again ?”
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Please don’t change up now. What if they are holding his brain in??
November 1st, 2019 at 10:37 am
Get Carson Palmer as your 138th coach then coach
November 1st, 2019 at 11:40 am
Jameis is going to be extended I laugh at all the haters
November 1st, 2019 at 12:29 pm
I bet he didn’t have Lefttwitch as his OC & calling the plays.