Worried About Winston
September 16th, 2019
Concern.
Tied for first place in the NFC South (!) and winning a close, hard-fought division road game on a short-week is wonderful on this mid-September Monday.
But Mike Sando of The Athletic is of the mind that winning hides warts and the biggest hidden zit on the Bucs is America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston.
The Bucs beat Carolina on Thursday night, which was good, but with that game on the line, quarterback Jameis Winston threw the ball directly to Panthers linebacker Luke Kuechly. A two-handed drop by Kuechly spared Tampa Bay from the consequences of that throw, but there’s still reason to worry Winston will risk the ball too frequently. An improved defense does provide greater margin for error, at least.
Joe doesn’t disagree with this Sando assessment. But man, Jameis is being held to an unreal standard here by some. The guy can’t play a game without an interception. In the NFL? Good grief.
Last night, the Dixie Chicks and Eagles played a fun, down-to-the-wire game. But if Jameis was quarterbacking either team and pulled the same stunts as the quarterbacks on the field Sunday evening, people would have had a complete s(p)itfit.
Matty Ice had a truly awful interception and respected NFL analysts were lauding the gutsy play of Carson Wentz. If that were Jameis attempting the same passes, he would been beaten to a pulp by NFL voices.
Yeah, in any close game a pick or a risky pass is big. So where were the same people banging on Jameis when it came to hollering about Ryan or Wentz?
[Crickets]
September 16th, 2019 at 1:01 pm
I see Wentz, Goff, Mahomes, (previously) Luck, and a lot of other QB’s make bad decisions or miss guys deep regularly and it doesn’t seem to affect their reputation at all.
September 16th, 2019 at 1:03 pm
By that SAME standard, Carson Wentz “almost” throws 3 int’s EVERY SINGLE game. 😂😂🤣🤣 the media is desperate for a negative story on Jameis. We see how many Bucs fans would click, on this site alone.
September 16th, 2019 at 1:03 pm
It’s easy Joe. When Winston plays fancy free he’ll get you 400 yards and four touchdowns for interceptions and we lose the game. He has basically been neutered since week one his yards were cut in half with only one touchdown. If you’re not going to score as much turnovers become even more important. Buccaneers could’ve lost that game with a solid running attack and great play by the defense because the quarterback has been neutered! Hopefully he’ll get better while still playing smart.
September 16th, 2019 at 1:04 pm
Add Matt Ryan to my list, as well!
September 16th, 2019 at 1:04 pm
“My Dad and I
is going to send 6 months supply of skin whitening cream to the Winston residence”
Son of Kobe Faker
September 16th, 2019 at 1:05 pm
Other quarterbacks have a better history in their quarterback rating and turnovers for touchdown. James does not. His reputation has been bad since college. He led the league in turnovers since he’s been in the league. He’s going to have to prove a lot to get people to stop associating him as turnover prone. Those other quarterbacks have shown much higher level play then Winston.
September 16th, 2019 at 1:05 pm
mahomes is in a class by himself. but totally agree joe. winston hasnt been good yet but nobody is even mentioning the matty ice three picks. it is all just about the julio play
September 16th, 2019 at 1:09 pm
who cares about other´s QB opinions?, The real deal is JW is pretty sloppy, and that has to come to an end……..If we want to have a goos season we need him better than what he showed so far……there are no more excuses, we have a good ofense a way much better running game and a solid defense so far….the biggest question mark is the QB!!!!
September 16th, 2019 at 1:10 pm
i’ll be honest…..JW get blasted because he hasnt won a big game or made the playoffs yet….
matty ice, goff, wentz(to a degree) have led there teams to SB’s…..they’ve earned the benefit of the doubt….
GO BUCS!!!!!
September 16th, 2019 at 1:12 pm
The real deal is that a lot of Quarterbacks are pretty sloppy, and cutting one because he isn’t held to the same standard as the other (white) QBs, is stupid.
September 16th, 2019 at 1:17 pm
Did sando sandy even see the play ? Joe, Luke just barely got more than his finger tips on the ball. It was a great play by Luke one of many many he has made in his impressive career. If the ball was a inch or 2 higher it’s a competition. Honestly I don’t really care what other people are saying about Winston or our team. Most of them not all but most have no clue what they are talking about. He’s our QB so ima root for him an everyone else that’s on our team until they are no longer on our team let’s go Bucs #endthedrought
September 16th, 2019 at 1:18 pm
A bad throw is not a bad decision. He should throw that ball 100% of the time, as Perriman was open.
September 16th, 2019 at 1:22 pm
Not unreasonable to ask your #1 overall pick who is hyped as having a great football IQ to limit the interceptions when he already has 3 INTs in 2 games…
September 16th, 2019 at 1:25 pm
The pass in question was poorly thrown ball.Last night, Matt Ryan had 3 picks and Carson Wentz had 2 picks plus a dropped pick–they should be held to same standard.
September 16th, 2019 at 1:25 pm
Winston is the only QB dogged for nearly interceptions.
September 16th, 2019 at 1:26 pm
“but with that game on the line”
lol what?
This happened with 7 minutes to go in the 3rd quarter…What a weird way to phrase it…. but makes sense with the narrative / wanting Jameis to be a failure sentiment of most national writers.
Let’s not bring up the 2 dropped TD passes (1 that should have been caught,, the other being pretty difficult) or missed FG.
The game was apparently on the line with 7 minutes left in the 3rd quarter down 2.
lol.
GO BUCS!
September 16th, 2019 at 1:35 pm
@Kobe Faker
Better overnight express!
Maybe change his name to James.
Or get him signed up for online classes at UF.
September 16th, 2019 at 1:36 pm
Not “the same standard”?! The one simple FACT is that Jameis leads the league in turnovers since he was drafted. Forget the “what if’s”, the stats prove it. We have had ONE “winning” season with him at the helm. THAT is the difference between he and his peers.
September 16th, 2019 at 1:36 pm
Don’t worry!! He’s AMERICA’S QUARTERBACK!!! …….smh
September 16th, 2019 at 1:37 pm
JW for MVP!!!
September 16th, 2019 at 1:38 pm
Both qbs played like garbage last night. That mattryan interception in the endzone towards the end of the game was just awful. And immediately they were making excuses like “his arm was hit, matt would never throw that.” Nope just bad qb play by 2 qbs held to a different standard than jameis. And i dont want to hear the, “they accomploshed more stuff” excuse. Wentz hasnt even finished a season yet alone accomplished anything.
September 16th, 2019 at 1:40 pm
Matt Ryan had one of the best INT % in NFL history last season … and this year he is DEAD LAST amongst true starting QBs.
What changed?
He now has DIRK KOETTER calling plays!
Marcus Mariota spiked the ball with the game on the line i9n yesterdays game and got a pass from the media … had Jameis done that ESPN would have run segment after segment about his lack of awareness, etc.
Of course, none of this is news to those who have read the book:
JAMEIS WINSTON DERANGEMENT SYNDROME:
How Media Bias Causes Us to Overlook the Start of a Hall of Fame NFL Career
September 16th, 2019 at 1:40 pm
Ohhhhh the “what if’s?”!
What if Perriman actually catches the football….any time?! One’s a TD, the other’s a first down, and that was just the Panthers game. What if in the 49er game?!
Yeah, what if?!
September 16th, 2019 at 1:46 pm
Joe maybe it’s because Winston is a turnover machine … it’s gonna take more than a multiple of games for fans to not sit on the edge of the seat when he’s under center … he definitely is a game changer … and not the good kind
September 16th, 2019 at 1:47 pm
I can live with that bad one bad pass in that game. Because that’s what it was…..A bad pass and that happens to the best of them.
What is unacceptable is when Winston just throws the ball up into the air…..up for grabs. The last pick against San Fran was a perfect example.
What else is unacceptable are some of his fumbles. Again those plays happen but when they come based on pure carelessness it’s another story.
And the other thing that is unacceptable is not understanding situations…….When poor decisions and careless football happens on early downs in critical situations it is magnified. A QB has to be smarter then everybody else on the field and has to understand each and every situation. Winston has clearly lacked this in his career.
Instead of comparing Winston to the Wentz/Ryan picks I say a more accurate comparison is the Kirk Cousin pick from yesterday. 1st and Goal with plenty of time and the game on the line. He had four shots and wasted them all on one awful awful decisions. He panicked and threw the ball up for grabs. He clearly did not understand the situation like he should and was totally careless. He lost his team the game on that play. It was a very Winston-esk play………Nobody in the media may be riding Wentz or Ryan today but I defy you to find anybody defend Cousins on that awful awful play that lost his team the game.
September 16th, 2019 at 1:47 pm
Etzel – I think the point a lot of you are missing is that Winston leads the league in turnovers. The names you mentioned not only take care of the football better but also are winning. Yes, they have been on better teams but when the QB is throwing pick-sixes, fumbling direct snaps etc it only compounds the problems of an already bad team. If Winston didn’t lead the league in turnovers people would be more forgiving. Week 1 Winston almost had 7 turnovers he is lucky he finished the game with only 3 picks.
September 16th, 2019 at 1:47 pm
If you count team wins as a QB stat, you’re a moron and there is no debating you.
September 16th, 2019 at 1:50 pm
If you don’t look at a QB’s won-loss % stat, you’re a moron and there is no debating you.
September 16th, 2019 at 1:52 pm
Jamis needs to get his eyes checked, seen him squinting a lot the other not. Maybe explains the reason for all those INTs 😂. Get some new contacts jamis!
September 16th, 2019 at 1:53 pm
Bacfanman you are right. Winning is the difference. The good news for Winston is that recent history trump’s all. If he leads this team to a winning season he will be praised and admired by many.
His past history will mean very little at that point. He will be seen as another QB Bruce Arians has worked wonders with and all the focus will be on how great his future can be.
GOOO BUCS!!!!
September 16th, 2019 at 1:55 pm
If you do not understand that Wins drastically changes the perception on a QB you are equally as big a moron
September 16th, 2019 at 1:56 pm
Joe
Get out of my head. Lol.
Bunch of haters. That’s why I can’t wait for Winston to leave. Oh yea he’ll never get another job in the NFL, lol, says the FORMER Marcus Mariota fans. Funny how all them dudes have vanished from jbf. #weird
I just think it’s funny that any other QBs in the league who gets hit 12 – 20 a game is given the benefit of the doubt but when it happens to Winston EVERY SINGLE FKN GAME he’s just a scrub.
Luckily we have a GREAT DEFENSE to lean on 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
September 16th, 2019 at 1:56 pm
What’s with all the squinting by JW. You can see him doing it during the game trying to read the scoreboard.
September 16th, 2019 at 2:00 pm
FACTS MAHOMES ON THE BUCS WOULD SUCK MAJOR BALLS.
ITS EASY TO PLAY QB WHEN YOU HAVE 5 seconds to throw and the closest pass rusher is 5 yards away.
Let Mahomes get hit 10 times plus 3 sacks and see who many picks or wins he gets. FOH
September 16th, 2019 at 2:01 pm
@T REX,
Mark Sanchez has more CAREER playoff wins than Hall of Fame QBs Warren Moon and Dan Fouts.
QB God Fran Tarkenton didn’t play in his FIRST playoff game until his 13th year in the league.l
Anyone who judges QBs on TEAM wins is indeed a literal idiot.
Read the book Jameis Winston Derangement Syndrome to see how JW’s win % actually measures up to all the other HOF QBs when team defense and run support is factored into the equation … it’s fascinating stuff and will make you a smarter fan.
September 16th, 2019 at 2:01 pm
Can’t we all just get along?
September 16th, 2019 at 2:05 pm
Mike Sando is fake news.
To say he threw directly at Luke is nonsense. He was throwing to a WR and was trying to drop it in over top of the LB. Because everyone, including Arians, has been on Winston about high throws, he’s trying to get the ball lower, and Luke make a great play, getting fully extended to his max, to get his hands on the ball. That’s not throwing directly to the LB as that implies it’s a crossing route, he doesn’t see the guy, and throws directly at a LB, that didn’t happen.
What’s with all the lazy fake news reporting anymore? These idiots just look at a box score or see a highlight play, then write an entire article on it. Bunch of d-bags.
September 16th, 2019 at 2:06 pm
Winston “sucks” bc the Bucs suck and they ALWAYS have. Yet he’s still the best QBs they’ve had statistically and has done it in less games. I for the life of me do not understand why that doesn’t resonate with you people.
Trust if McCaffery scores that late TD no one would mention the two dropped TD only how absolutely frightened he looked behind that oline. Oh yea and the “ALMOST” picks. Smfh
RUN JAMEIS RUN
September 16th, 2019 at 2:08 pm
DB55 in case you didn’t notice our pass protection was more the adequate on Thursday. All you gotta do bro is go back and look at third downs and 5+(obvisous passing downs) when the QB needs more time.
OL did it’s job bro…..at least with protection. Could find a few other bones to pick with them but that aren’t one of em.
Keep trying
September 16th, 2019 at 2:08 pm
Matt Ryan has 5 INTs in 2 games.
I wonder if Dirk’s 1970s Air Coryell deep ball offense has anything to do with it?
Also, that’s not an insult to Dirk – I like the Air Coryell offense as it moves the ball and scores points (the Bucs offense last year set records for yards AND points). The issue is these idiots who think you directly compare that offense to a boring west coast dink and dunk offense.
Matt Ryan had 3 INTs last night and one because of a big play (and a block in the back which 100% of the time would be called on the Bucs) and a defense that stepped up* when it had to.
*Aided by a WR that has AIDS for hands that is
September 16th, 2019 at 2:12 pm
*was trying to say one big play… predictive keyboards aren’t as smart as they think they are.
September 16th, 2019 at 2:19 pm
DB…you obviously haven’t seen Mahomes play. He often doesn’t have “5 seconds”… he has a stronger arm and more precise passing than Jameis does most of the time. I’m not saying Jameis can’t be an excellent QB. But by talking like that, you lose all credibility.
September 16th, 2019 at 2:19 pm
Jj
On Friday joe posted an article saying he had 12 hits and 3 sacks.
I’m sick of seeing Mahomes with 5 sometimes 10 secs to throw and the closest pass rusher is 5 yards away.
Then ya talk about TOs and have the audacity to say our oline is A OK.
COME ON MAN!!!!
September 16th, 2019 at 2:20 pm
What’s the difference between those QBs and Winston
They don’t continue to make mistakes
Also watch Winston’s throws he rarely throws a tight spiral with accuracy
QUESTION JOE. : Is Winston a 30 million a year QB for 5 more years ??!
September 16th, 2019 at 2:21 pm
Rod…..Matt Ryan had one INT just before the half right over the middle of the field. This was a awful playcalling from Dirk IMO cause they had the lead and were in the Egles side of the field with a chance to pad their lead.
It was a really dumbass time to try a riskier pass attempt. Complete loss of me momentum for the Falcons because of it and could have been worse.
A big problem I always got with Dirk’s playcalling was not knowing when to take risks and when to be conservative. He always seemed to make the wrong call in that area.
September 16th, 2019 at 2:24 pm
BTW..Mahomes mobility is more like Rodgers. Mahomes buys more time for receivers to work often, he spots them and delivers the ball right on target. Sorry if that offends you….
September 16th, 2019 at 2:25 pm
Maybe Mahomes quick release makes you think he has more time than he does. But watch him play.
September 16th, 2019 at 2:25 pm
Mark
On all 4 of his highlights aka TDs that mf had at least 5 secs to throw and a pocket bigger than Kim Kardashian’s cooch
GIVE ME A FKN BREAK.
It’s worse than the new monopoly game. And Mahomes is the females.
WANKERS THE WHOLE LOT OF YOUZ
September 16th, 2019 at 2:26 pm
Difference in QBs
Wentz can hit DJax for two 50 yard TDs
September 16th, 2019 at 2:27 pm
@T REX,
Mark Sanchez has more CAREER playoff wins than Hall of Fame QBs Warren Moon and Dan Fouts.
QB God Fran Tarkenton didn’t play in his FIRST playoff game until his 13th year in the league.l
Anyone who judges QBs on TEAM wins is indeed a literal goof.
Read the book Jameis Winston Derangement Syndrome to see how JW’s win % actually measures up to all the other HOF QBs when team defense and run support is factored into the equation … it’s fascinating stuff and will make you a smarter fan.
September 16th, 2019 at 2:27 pm
The reality is Jameis played quite well on Thursday night.
Did he have a single throw or 2 that got away from him? Sure, so do almost all QBs in the league besides Brady and a small handful of others…
That said, he has been inconsistent, so of course we need to see more. But J0e is right, he’s under the microscope far more than most other QBs. Some of that is warranted due to his up and down play.
But he definitely gets’ treated differently from many other QBs. He’s subjected to far more hits that don’t draw flags, just like Cam, compared to almost all other QBs.
September 16th, 2019 at 2:28 pm
BTW… Winston actually has a better 40 time than Brady…but his decision making and release makes it look like Brady is faster. Brady gets his passes away in the 2 to 3 second range.
September 16th, 2019 at 2:30 pm
DB Every game isn’t like the one you saw. He has a fast release and is almost two tenths faster than Winston in the 40. Just saying…look it up.
September 16th, 2019 at 2:30 pm
he did this to himself. he is the worst in the league at turnovers.
it puts everything he does in a different light, deservedly.
September 16th, 2019 at 2:30 pm
DB55…….2 of the sacks came when Winston literally held the ball and danced around the backfield for a full ten seconds without making a decision. It had nothing to do with protection.
Keep trying.
September 16th, 2019 at 2:32 pm
Let’s be real. That wasn’t a particularly bad throw by Winston just a little short but Kuechly made an extraordinary good play. A middle linebacker broke up a pass for a WR 25 yards downfield. Let that sink in. It was not an easy interception either. I’ve seen TE’s drop easier passes lately. Mike Sando is another know it all blowhard. The national media doesn’t know squat about anything Bucs. They parrot everything they hear like lemmings.
Here are Winston’s stats the last 8 1/2 games.
15 TD/ 5 real interceptions + 2 last play Hail Marys. This is half a season.
September 16th, 2019 at 2:32 pm
JimmyJack – Dirk is much much better in the booth than on the sideline when it comes to play calling. I personally don’t mind a coach who is aggressive – I mean he has the league’s MVP* at QB, and an MVP needs to get er done. The Philly defense has been giving up big plays the last couple of years, so you take shots when you think people don’t expect them. Dirk was bailed out by that non-call block in the back and Julio just being really fast – but that’s how it goes when you get the ball to your best player, sometimes you hit a homerun out of the blue. But with taking chances come turnovers, and if Winston was Ryan after 5 INTs in two games people would be calling for him to be benched and saying his career was over.
*Just kidding, calling Ryan the MVP is like saying Curtis Martin is a HOFer
September 16th, 2019 at 2:33 pm
Jj
54 games straight
September 16th, 2019 at 2:36 pm
JimmyJack Says
“What else is unacceptable are some of his fumbles…”
Little acknowledged factual data:
Outside of last year (which I have not checked), Winston’s turnovers rose with the number of sacks the offensive line allowed…especially his fumbles. His highest number of turnovers came when he was hit so hard it injured his throwing shoulder.
When his sacks dropped, so did his turnovers. Compare those sack numbers to the other QBs in the league, and a clear picture forms. I
Also, take a close look at his fumbles…most of them happened when defenses blew past the line quicker than anyone would be able to handle.
Contrary to what the Jameis bashers want fans to think, there are reasons for everything, and it isn’t always Jameis ‘ fault.
Sometimes it is his fault, but again…there are reasons. Jameis has had to force things to happen for so long it has been ingrained into him. This will not change overnight. Arians has to help him form new habits.
Game one, the bad habits showed. Arians and the coaches worked with him to deal with those habits and we saw improvement. He isn’t there yet. But he’s going to gradually get there.
September 16th, 2019 at 2:37 pm
I guess race is QB stat too, huh?! SMH!
I don’t understand why people think the criticisms are unfair. There are MANY reasons why the Bucs don’t win games. Turnovers ARE one of those, and TURNOVERS are what Jameis leads the league in. This is not a stretch.
September 16th, 2019 at 2:37 pm
I a big believer in Jameis, but come on, comparing him to Mahomes? I’ve watched Mahomes these last two games and he’s just incredible, the best QB in football without any doubt right now. He does tend to have a lot of time to throw the ball, but he also has insane accuracy, be it on the run or not, the ball is placed perfectly. Really no one else in football, including Rodgers, is even close to what Mahomes is doing right now. Well let me take that back, Brady also makes those throws, but Brady isn’t doing this stuff on the run and creating time. Also Reid just seems to call the perfect play in nearly every situation – it’s not crunchtime yet so Reid isn’t collapsing. Mahomes is pretty amazing to watch right now.
September 16th, 2019 at 2:40 pm
JimmyJack, ten seconds is a huge exaggeration. Also, even elite QBs dance around in the pocket longer when no one is open.
And you neglect to mention WHY he had to dance around in the pocket at all…because the oline immediately blew their blocks.
September 16th, 2019 at 2:40 pm
But I will be fair cause we did have some missed blocks. Mostly by the tackles.
But don’t act a fool like the Panthers can’t rush the passer. Don’t know what they did to Goff in Week 1 but would guess they managed to beat some blocks and put some heat on him…….Cause that’s their strength.
Don’t freaking be dumb and think the road to Glory wont have to beat a strong passrush.
Why aren’t you go look at how the Falcolns rung Brady’s bell in that SB. Or look at what the Eagles did to beat him. Get you Mahomes trash outta here about him beating a weak ass Raider team. I guarantee…..guarantee you it weren’t that easy for him to get to a ATC Championship……..Or do you live in LaLa land where OL are so dominate they can give their QB 5-10 secs every game every play for a 19 game run to a Title……Grow up.
September 16th, 2019 at 2:47 pm
^^^^
In the headline photo Jameis is trying to count all the zeros in Patrick Mahomes next contract!
September 16th, 2019 at 2:52 pm
LOL Bonzai……I rewinded it and counted it just for you. I got to 8 Mississippi on the 2nd quarter sack at around 10:00. Maybe it was 7.
More noteworthy then my counting was maybe Aikman saying himself that the protection was good. That’s the real story.
Personally I would of wanted to see Winston run on that 3rd & 15. He never would of got the first down but their has to be a point of no return on that play…… meani ng you have given yourself as much time as possible and if there was something no pass by then it won’t happen……so you gotta take what you can get and play field position.
Nothing good can be gained by staying in a ticking time bomb of a pocket. Luckily worst case was just a sack without any strip.
September 16th, 2019 at 2:57 pm
Actually Mike Glennon was a little faster in the 40 time.
September 16th, 2019 at 2:58 pm
But no Bonzai…..he never had to dance because of any blown blocks. He had a clean pocket. It was the type of play that could turn into a coverage sack often but the pocket was clean enough where he had plenty of room to step up(it was a deep drop back on 3rd and long).
He stepped up bought some time…..surveyed……then still had time to step up even more.
Was actually a very great job by the OL to give him so much time to make a play.
September 16th, 2019 at 3:00 pm
LOL DB55 thanks for pulling the stats. Morons trying to say he got good protection last Thursday. 12 QB hits and 3 sacks is not well protected. So annoying. They don’t like to be called haters but I swear to God they just see what they want to see to fit their narrative. If you can’t look at the tape objectively you are the very definition of a hater. If you come to the table with stats I can give you some credit then. Also helps if you can at least admit there have been many games in the past where he has played at an elite level. Objectivity is need if you want to be credible when posting.
September 16th, 2019 at 3:02 pm
So JJ…at that point the question becomes, why didn’t a receiver get open in 7 to 10 seconds, or if they did, why didn’t he find them. And then after five or six, why didn’t he throw the ball away. But I forget…nevermind…it was the O lines fault he didn’t have time to write an email back there.
September 16th, 2019 at 3:05 pm
Hits and sacks are important..but then guys like Brady get relatively few, as they release the ball on the average in two to three seconds. Just saying…it is a somewhat deceptive stat. You could say it is the O lines fault… you could say it is the QB’s fault…but most accurately, you would have to say it is a combination of the two.
September 16th, 2019 at 3:07 pm
And remember… Arians doesn’t believe in max protection…so you are naturally going to get more of those. You have to look a little deeper to see the entire situation.
September 16th, 2019 at 3:09 pm
i’m with WIN 168 and PC, JAMEIS MUST GET HIS EYES CHECKED !!!
September 16th, 2019 at 3:11 pm
just to clarify, i’m referring to Jameis’ constant “squinting.”
September 16th, 2019 at 3:11 pm
Will there be all the hand ringing next week about Matt Ryan? Or Wentz for that matter. They threw 5 interceptions and if we’re counting close ones it should have been closer to 10 INTs. Ryan threw that exact same route to the opposite side of the field and attempted to get it over the LBer and he got his hands up and it was went identically threw his hands. The announcers said nothing and it won’t be debated and written about all week.
Games like the Sunday night Eagles game happen all the time where either Qb play that well for verious reasons and it’s usually talked about in the context of team play. Now when TB is involved it’s always framed as JW3 is inconsistent, turned the ball over or wasn’t accurate enough.
September 16th, 2019 at 3:15 pm
Mark……A play like that is where I question Mike Evans. He has always seemed to have an exceptional knack for getting open for his QB when plays break down.
I wanted to give him a pass on week 1 since he was sick but two weeks now is concerning for me……That is a legitimate concern for the offense we are running now. We need those plays.
Either way I don’t care about anybody wanna throw stats without context…..What’s next they gonna tell me it was a crappy run play cause it only got one yard? Meanwhile the play was third and 1…………..But in respect to the conversation they were some definite blocking breakdowns. Yet still the blocking was more then enough for our QB to win the game……..which he did right?
September 16th, 2019 at 3:19 pm
Kobe you are right about 1 thing. It seems like white quarterbacks are giving more of a pass than black quarterbacks. That’s a proven fact !!! Goff , Wentz, are on teams that was already good when they got their. Those teams had to move up in the draft to get them but it’s funny how the national media or this piss poor fan base never mention that when it comes to those quarterbacks. The eagles won a super bowl without Wentz. Think about this when it comes to Wentz, Goff and other young white quarterbacks they love to say a best friend to a young quarterback is a running game and a decent or good defense while he develop to become a franchise quarterback. But no one in the national media or local or this piss poor fan base have never said that about Jamies !!!!! Facts!!!!! Go bucs!!!!!
September 16th, 2019 at 3:25 pm
In one breathe you compare Winston to the “great QBs ” in the league but refuse to acknowledge that none of them are running for their lives like Winston does. Certainly not as often.
September 16th, 2019 at 3:26 pm
The one time I seen Mahomes get hit by two or more defenders kid came out of the game. Winston’s get up by himself and then picks up his olinemen but wtfdik
September 16th, 2019 at 3:38 pm
DB…they all have to “run for their lives”..AR has to “run for his life” as to the rest of them…unless they pass the ball. .And if they do pass it, it better be accurately thrown to an open receiver or out of bounds to avoid penalties. And maybe you haven’t watched Mahomes much…now you question his durability. Yawn.
And JJ.. It isn’t just about “separation” in the route. AR and the Packers receivers all know to come back and find an open area in the defense when Rodgers starts to scramble, because he is always looking for them. Run your pattern and keep yourself alive. I think our receivers, in many cases, need to do a better job of that.
September 16th, 2019 at 3:40 pm
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I guess you didn’t watch the AFC championship game last year. Oh well
September 16th, 2019 at 3:46 pm
Mark…..After watching the Packers (more then I’d like to cause they force feed) plenty of times I am convinced that they practice scramble drills……Everything from receivers rerouting themselfs to the OL knowing exactly where to reset.
The Packers scrambles and pass breakdowns resemble nothing of the Bucs fire drill plays. I wish we would take a page from their playbook/training on that. Gotta think Winston would benefit greatly.
September 16th, 2019 at 3:47 pm
Worried about Winston? Lordy, I’m more concerned about about some of the JBFers whose comments I read. Joe chummed the waters and y’all went into a feeding frenzy.
For the life of me, I can’t believe that some are still spewing the garbage that Jameis is held to a different standard because he’s black. YGBSM … Jameis was selected as the NUMBER ONE pick in the 2015 draft, is making $21 mil in this his FIFTH year, and his future as the Bucs’ franchise QB is still in question. What the he11 does that have to do with him being black?
The owners of this multi-billion dollar franchise only care about one thing when it comes to Jameis: Is he THE MAN going forward? Can they trust him to LEAD this franchise for the next several years? And if you were in their shoes, you’d care about the same thing. Do you think even for a second that they care that he’s black? If they did, they wouldn’t have spent a precious #1 pick on him. HOPEFULLY we never hear that crappola again on JBF.com. It’s demeaning to Jameis, and demeaning to the other 70% of the NFL players who are black. They ALL work extremely hard at their chosen profession, and undoubtedly want to be measured by their PERFORMANCE on – and off – the field. HOPEFULLY folks use THAT as the measuring stick of their value to the TEAM.
You reap what you sow. Jameis has been tagged with a ‘Good Jameis – Bad Jameis’ reputation for his actions both on the field and off, over a 2-year college career and a 4-year NFL career. Part of that may be the result of being on a bad team (guess which teams select star QBs #1 … not hard, was it). Are media folk in love with him? Not hardly. Are fans in other NFL cities in love with him? Nope, I doubt it’s even close. Jameis’ fans in Tampa Bay can make excuses for him, but others outside this area don’t care about excuses. It’s gonna take Jameis a long time to win over more fans here, and probably much more time nationally. Best way to do that? Play lights-out football … CONSISTENTLY. And oh ya … WIN.
September 16th, 2019 at 3:49 pm
DB, I get that you have a man-crush on Jameis. I get that you will defend him against a VAST majority of posters on this blog. But, to compare him to Mahomes at this point is simply delusional. Did you even watch the KC game? There was a point in the second quarter where the last five consecutive passes Mahomes threw went for 35 yards +. When in the heck did Jamis EVER do that. If you stood 35 yards away do you think JW could hit you in the hands 5 straight times. I don’t.
Famous can play like an All-pro for a game or two and then in the middle throw a pass like he did at the end of the 49r game and the game goes up in smoke.
He may actually be a better QB overall than Brad Johnson but he will never control a game like Johnson was able to.
September 16th, 2019 at 3:50 pm
JJ…from what I’ve heard, believe you are correct in that. And as difficult as it is for a O lineman to block a D Lineman for 7 seconds, it is about as difficult for a CB or LB to cover a WR or LB that long.
September 16th, 2019 at 3:52 pm
WR or TE…
September 16th, 2019 at 3:56 pm
Winston blows donkey d1cks.
September 16th, 2019 at 3:58 pm
“he will never control a game like Johnson was able to.”
I hope you are wrong about that, but everything else was spot on.
And I watched the Oak/ KC game live…and it wasn’t like he could sit back and nit a flag back there. He was reading, moving, making amazing throws. I wish I could have read Gruden’s mind for about a five minute span, as they took an Oakland 10 point lead and Mahomes and KC basically told JG to stick it with 28 straight.
September 16th, 2019 at 4:02 pm
Defense, not trying to be a d#@$, and not trying to defend the calls of racism, but your statement above is ridiculous. Nobody above has stated that the Glazers are racist which is your premise. They drafted him number one overall and gave him over $20 million this year and are hoping he performs well enough to give him a huge contract next year. That isn’t up for debate. What some of the posters are saying is that the media seems biased against him. You actually side with them when saying the media doesn’t like him in your summation. Sorry you wasted all that time trying to debate something that wasn’t up for debate. Actually quite amazing that you kind of reinforce a lot of the arguments that you were trying to disparage!
September 16th, 2019 at 4:10 pm
Deshaun Watson was sacked 62 times last year and currently holds the lead with 10. Winston has 6.
Somehow in 2018, under all that pressure, Watson managed a 4,000+ yd season and 26 TDs with only 9 INTs and 9 FUMs (18 turnovers) in 16 games not including the playoffs.
Jameis threw 14 INTs and had 7 FUMs (21 turnovers) in 5 less games in the same year. With 27 sacks through 11 games that’s an average of 2.5 sacks per game. Multiplied out to 16 games that’s around 40 sacks. 40 would actually be a career high BTW.
Soooooo, NOT a HOF QB comparison but quite telling.
September 16th, 2019 at 4:23 pm
Just to drive the point home:
21 TO/11 games= 1.9 TO*16 games= 30.4 TO
30.4 is 41% higher turnovers with 36% LESS QB sacks.
Of course, this is just from a numbers perspective!!!
September 16th, 2019 at 4:24 pm
I think how sportscaster look at things is mostly about win-loss history. When Jameis pushes the game, he loses more than he wins. The rest of those named make things happen for the win.
What troubles me is how bad he is at judging fast receivers. Breshard is going to waste a season here, just like DJax did last year.
September 16th, 2019 at 4:26 pm
Wentz is the most overrated player in the NFL.
September 16th, 2019 at 4:28 pm
BFman… we will never convince the “cult of personality” lovers that he isn’t the greatest QB since the game was invented. So be it. But your stats are quite interesting, particularly considering that DW isn’t a 5 year vet yet.. So be it. But ask yourself…when was the last time you heard the HMS Jameis love boat crew say one word of criticism about him? I think many of us have said good things about him far more often than they have criticized anything regarding his play at anytime…at lest ten fold.
September 16th, 2019 at 4:31 pm
Defense Rules,
Great read as usual! Sad that fans all for the Bucs resort to name calling over an opinion. There is nothing I’d like more then for Winston to light it up for the next ten years or so. Fact is this team has been BEYOND BAD for the past decade and he has been a part of the stench. Even though accuracy has been an issue there is little doubt he does have the skill set. Hopefully there will come a time when his maturity and his decision making match his physical skills.
September 16th, 2019 at 4:35 pm
TDTB … No idea where you’re coming from, but you’re obviously reading into what I wrote only what you want to hear. Never said one word about the Glazers were racist, nor was that an assumption. What you said in your 3rd sentence is very very close to what I said … you know, they used a #1 draft pick on him, he makes $21 mil now, and they’re STILL evaluating him in his 5th year to see if he’s the franchise QB they obviously long for. That the media doesn’t hold him in high esteem, especially outside of Tampa Bay, should be fairly obvious I would think by this point.
Sorry TDTB, but racism is a weak argument for defending Jameis. My point remains that the only valid measuring stick of a player’s value to his TEAM is his PERFORMANCE, both on and off the field. I’m glad that you were ‘amazed’ though, mostly by your own interpretation of what I wrote I might add.
September 16th, 2019 at 4:35 pm
Wentz and Ryan have both lead their teams to the Super Bowl. Winston has led us to the laughing stock of the league. He had a decent game as a game manager. That’s all you can expect of him. He will follow that game with a dud against the hapless NY Giants. I sure hope they start their rookie QB so we can salvage a win.
September 16th, 2019 at 4:36 pm
The 5 Stages of Grief (aka Jameis Winston)
• Denial
• Anger
• Bargaining
• Depression
• Acceptance
Where are you in the process? Lol
September 16th, 2019 at 4:39 pm
Well now the incredible “Matt ice” has the interception bug as he leads with 5 interceptions in 2 games. He threw 2 in the end zone for goodness sakes I’m the 2 games. Every Qb throws interceptions.
September 16th, 2019 at 4:47 pm
If the Panthers had scored what then? My guess is 99% felt like me. Just like trotting out our previous kickers. You knew the pick was going to happen. He would make a bad decision at a critical time.
September 16th, 2019 at 4:50 pm
I am confused Defense. The poster that mentioned racism was referring to the coverage by the media. The dude you were responding to wasn’t debating why the Glazers would or wouldn’t sign Jameis to a long term contract.
September 16th, 2019 at 4:52 pm
They need to have Winston check his eye sight. He’s always squinting.
September 16th, 2019 at 4:53 pm
LUV- De-nial to some, is a river in Egypt!
What’s good my friend?!
September 16th, 2019 at 4:55 pm
Just curious….
Was Mahommes considered Pro-ready when drafted?
September 16th, 2019 at 4:58 pm
I can’t believe that some are still spewing the garbage that Jameis is held to a different standard because he’s black”
Black QBs definitely seem to be talked about differently in the media.
Lamar Jackson was written off as not even being able to play QB.
People are super fast now to be bashing Cam Newton and the narrative that he can’t be a great QB without his ability to run and QB sneak.
Deshan Watson doesn’t get a ton of press for what he’s done IMO.
But most anti-Jameis sentiment came from his controversies at FSU / the uber scandal IMO more so than anything based on race. Most these people have had negative opinions since then and will focus on any negative play they can find moreso than positive play.
It is what it is. He deserves all criticism related to the uber scandal / being an idiot in that situation. I read the entire case from FSU and am 99.9% sure he didn’t rape anyone, but that’s a pretty damn dark cloud to have over your head.
GO BUCS!
September 16th, 2019 at 5:10 pm
Doo…
ESPN (no grade)
Biggest question: The Chiefs relinquished their first-round pick next year and a third-rounder this year to move up to get Mahomes. That’s not a huge cost if Mahomes develops into a productive player, but it is if he’s a bust. Can the Chiefs get a return on this investment? Mahomes played in a spread offense at Texas Tech, and quarterbacks coming from the spread don’t have a good track record in developing into productive pro players.
NFL.com: B+
Patrick Mahomes has all of the tools to be a great quarterback. Chiefs GM John Dorsey and head coach Andy Reid saw Brett Favre in Green Bay, and they have to see some of that gunslinger attitude in Mahomes. There is a risk factor here given his penchant for throwing the ball anywhere and from any arm angle (which will turn into interceptions in the NFL), and they have up a future first-round pick to get him. But if anyone can get Mahomes to adjust and succeed, it’s Reid.
September 16th, 2019 at 5:33 pm
TDTB … This was the comment that triggered my response (although there have been MANY others like it over the time Jameis has been our QB) …
“The real deal is that a lot of Quarterbacks are pretty sloppy, and cutting one because he isn’t held to the same standard as the other (white) QBs, is stupid.”
Sorry, but I didn’t see anything in there about him referring to coverage by the media. If that was implied, then my bad. Not to be melodramatic, but I spent over a quarter of a century in the military, and flew with & worked with hundreds of pilots & maintenance folks of all races. They held my life in their hands daily, and quite frankly, I didn’t give a lick what color their skin was. What I cared a great deal about though was how well they PERFORMED their job, because if they screwed up, I either had to punch out or go down with the aircraft. Neither was appealing. Judge people on their performance is all I’m saying.
September 16th, 2019 at 5:46 pm
Thanks mark2001.
September 16th, 2019 at 5:58 pm
Winston is the QB. So shut the Buc up already. I suppose you could follow another team if you don’t like it.
September 16th, 2019 at 6:02 pm
Defense Rules- I took that statement the same way so don’t feel bad and, I think that’s exactly what they meant. I mean, what else can it be?!
September 16th, 2019 at 6:07 pm
to be correct, a wart is not a zit, but Jameis is a giant human wasteland.
September 16th, 2019 at 6:11 pm
Sando is right. To be correct, Jameis played NOT TO LOSE Thursday but he did little to help win. He did the job of a Shaun King and (not as good as) Mike Glennon game manager. Looking at the coaches tape, he also missed seeing some very open receivers on some incompletions and passes thrown into tight windows, include two third and short situations where he went for the end zone on low probability passes. He is not teachable, and his decisions suck. Move on. ABW…anyone but Winston.
September 16th, 2019 at 6:25 pm
JimmyJack – On Evans, I don’t think there’s anyway he was 100% on Thursday. He obviously was not right last Sunday, and only having 4 days to come back and play again, he still looked off his game.
I fully expect this upcoming game for him and Winston to have a big day if we get good weather, which is expected. I don’t think it’s going to be an easy win by any means, but I think the offense will do their job if Leftwich does his job. The defense meanwhile has been really impressive, but just do to PSTD from watching this defense, I still keep waiting for the collapse, no matter what I tell myself I keep feeling like it’s right around the corner. Would love to look stupid for questioning them.
September 16th, 2019 at 6:30 pm
He leads the league in give aways. That warrants criticism. Jameis is held to a high standard due to the expectations of a national champ QB, #1 overall pick and huge football IQ. He’s had 4 years to improve. Can anyone show me that he’s improved across 4 years?
September 16th, 2019 at 6:30 pm
Winston, 15-4 when the opponent scores 20 or less…
W – 2015 @NOR, 26-19 1-0
L – 2015 @HOU, 9-19 1-1
W – 2015 @ATL, 23-20 2-1
W – 2015 DAL, 10-6 3-1
W – 2015 @PHI, 45-17 4-1
W – 2015 ATL, 23-19 5-1
W – 2016 @CAR, 17-14 6-1
W – 2016 CHI, 36-10 7-1
W – 2016 @KAN, 19-17 8-1
W – 2016 SEA, 14-5 9-1
W – 2016 NOR, 16-11 10-1
W – 2016 CAR, 17-16 11-1
W – 2017 CHI, 29-7 12-1
L – 2017 NWE, 14-19 12-2
L – 2017 CAR, 3-17 12-3
W – 2018 SFO, 27-9 13-3
W – 2018 CAR, 24-17 14-3
L – 2018 @BAL, 12-20 14-4
W – 2019 @CAR, 20-14 15-4
Goff, with a much superior team that went to the SB, is 15-3 when the opponent scores 20 or less.
Basically give Winston a good defense, and he’ll win you games at the same rate as the other QBs in the NFL. This year, so far, Winston has had a good defense – and if it keeps up, he’s going to win a lot of games, in particular as Leftwich (hopefully) starts growing into the job and stops being ultra predictable.
September 16th, 2019 at 6:31 pm
America’s Zit
you’ve coined it!
September 16th, 2019 at 6:38 pm
You have to earn the benefit of the doubt. Winston hasn’t earned that yet.
September 16th, 2019 at 6:44 pm
Fine when you aren’t helping the other team score points, Rod…does that statistic compensate for turnovers and fumbles? If not, it is basically what we’ve said…when Jameis doesn’t throw picks or fumble, he tends to win. No discrepancy with what we have been saying.
When you give the opponent points, short fields, and the ball..in general… it does make a difference.
September 16th, 2019 at 6:50 pm
See Rod…the problem with that statistic is seen in game one this year. How many points would SF have scored without the pick sixes? Less than 20…but then, the game isn’t even counted in your statistic, because the games he had many of his turnovers, particularly multiple turnovers, ended up being more than 20 points being scored by the other team, and are eliminated from your data of “wins when the opposition scored less than 20 points”.
September 16th, 2019 at 6:56 pm
If that yahoo thinks Jameis Winston is a zit, I’d like to know how he defines a melanoma?! What a class A retard. I stay out of these QB ‘discussions.’ Just want the Bucs to win.
September 16th, 2019 at 7:07 pm
Of course Black Qbs are held to a different standard. Especially Jameis coming into the league #1 overall and ESPN trashing him every chance they get. People may not even realize it they’ll say things like he’s not athletic (Black Qbs are suppose to scramble), can’t read a defense or process information fast enough. The latter comments are said because ‘the blacks’ aren’t as intelligent as white Qbs.
Pittsshore- I agree that Ryan has accomplished more in his long career in the NFL than Jameis. He has been on some good teams especially the year his team epically chocked away that big SB lead when he was 10th year in the league. Wentz was having a great year HIS very good team made it to the Super Bowl and won. Saying Wentz lead them to it when he got injured week 13 is inaccurate. He looks bad now and can’t stay healthy.
September 16th, 2019 at 7:18 pm
So I’m a huge Jameis fan but he hasn’t given himself the benefit of doubt of course w/ the turnovers over the yrs (& the last one in SF this yr) BUT
I feel like the media has been against Jameis mostly do to his off the field s**t…b/c no sane person can watch football & compare him to Mariota but these ppl do…
They ignore that he hasn’t had not even a middle ranked defense or a middle ranked defense most seasons started or kickers that miss on purpose…
No everything shouldn’t have to perfect for him to succeed but damm it shouldn’t be the worst either
September 16th, 2019 at 8:02 pm
mark,
the problem with your argument is an underlying assumption that Winston throws pick-6’s regularly. Yeah, there was the SF game, and there have been a few others, but the Bucs defense has consistently been the worst in the league (or close to it) for years! There will be a handful of games that Jameis threw away, but they are VERY FEW compared to the number that the Bucs Defense gave away.
You will need to provide stats like Rod did to better support your argument.
September 16th, 2019 at 8:11 pm
Greg so what ur sayin is if we had this defense last year winston would of been praised like he was elite🤷♂️ Joe i feel u the double standards r rough but like u say thats the NFL (not for long as they call it) wins r the only thing that matter if we had the defense, H3LL HALF THE DEFENSE we had the last 2 games itd be praise be to the QB. Also non of u haters come at me cuz one idgaf n 2 u kdw if we had been winning those dumb throws wouldnt of been a big deal and honestly I get it i lose MS at the TV all the time with JW n his bad throws but some of ya’ll need to stop staring at whats in front of u and see the bigger picture or ur wasting that big screen TV 🤷♂️
September 16th, 2019 at 8:12 pm
JimmyJack Says:
September 16th, 2019 at 3:40 pm
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I guess you didn’t watch the AFC championship game last year. Oh well
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I assume you mean he got hit in this game and he lost the game right? Proving my point. All these cats would suck on the Bucs.
Mahomes hasn’t even had a major shoulder injury like EVERY SINGLE BUC QB IN THE LAST TWO YEARS. LMAO
September 16th, 2019 at 8:12 pm
JOE,
I was thinking the same thing while watching the games yesterday. All these QBs across the leagues are trumped up as greats, and while a couple are great (Brady, Brees), most are not much better than Winston…
September 16th, 2019 at 8:13 pm
Rodney
Mitch Trubisky won yesterday. He also threw for 120 yards.
September 16th, 2019 at 8:15 pm
Speaking of dalvin cook who is O.J. Howard doing?
See these are the things you folks ignore the Bucs lies to build a team around Winston like a oline or running game so this is what you get.
September 16th, 2019 at 8:19 pm
Oh n stranglassman come on bro this aint got jack sh!t to do with race (ppl booed andrew luck n hes white af). Its all about people’s unrealistic expectations for a #1draft pivk to completely turn a horrible team around if we hit on a few greats on defense that year n not had such bad coaching (throw in a kicker) it would have been a 180 turn around r at least 140° turn around but it would have been glory to the QB but it wasnt so, so its the QB’s fault0
September 16th, 2019 at 8:22 pm
If u have the #1 pic it d@mn sure aint cuz of one problem
September 16th, 2019 at 8:28 pm
Dalvin…you miss the point. The games where Jameis plays most poorly and the games where the Defense gives up more than 20 are often one and the same. His play has added to the problem and scores of the other team. Mondays game is a prime example. They are related and not independent. If you want a better stat, look at the games we have won and lost where Jameis had multiple turnovers…how many of those on the list were games where Jameis didn’t have turnovers. I’d bet a good number of those games on the list we won and the opposition scored less than 20 points were ones where Jameis had few to no turnovers.
September 16th, 2019 at 8:41 pm
Now Dalvin…have an MBA and have done some statistical research. Maybe you are a statistician by trade. I am not. But I do know that a big part of the process is designing research with data making assumptions that are reliable and valid. When you conduct research, you must understand the relationship of the variables, but also any other factors or other variables that would affect your conclusions. I suspect that you would find a high direct correlation between the turnovers and points allowed. And that would effect your conclusion that it is solely upon the Defense, independent of turnovers..fumbles and interceptions.
September 16th, 2019 at 9:16 pm
I don’t agree with that, because rather than it being a bad decision or poor read it was just underthrown, right decision and he just didnt get enough air under it.
September 16th, 2019 at 9:40 pm
Avg time to throw.
Winston…2.8
Mahomes. .2.5
September 16th, 2019 at 9:50 pm
Winston= loosing games. We have 4 years of data. This isn’t complicated.
September 16th, 2019 at 9:52 pm
Here’s some fun stats for you guys.
Since 2015, the following QBs all have MORE pick-6s than Jameis:
Phillip Rivers
Kirk Cousins
Matthew Stafford
Marcus Mariota
Drew Brees
Matt Ryan
Derek Carr
Cam Newton
Ryan Tannehill
Jay Cutler
Jameis is tied with Eli Manning and Dak Prescott at 4.
#perspective
September 16th, 2019 at 9:52 pm
Depending on Monday Night Football, Winston will finish the week 2 at #10 or #11 league wise in passer ratings. Much improvement in week 1 to week 2.
Is He Elite?
September 16th, 2019 at 10:25 pm
OK, WHOMEVER SAID DJAX CAUGHT 2 50YD TDS LAST WEEK NEEDS TO MENTION THAT HE CAUGHT 0 BALLS FOR 0 YARDS THIS WEEK! SUPER HELPFUL IN THAT LOSS 😂😂😂😂
September 16th, 2019 at 10:28 pm
DAN, LEARN TO SPELL WHEN TRYING TO MAKE SOMEONE ELSE LOOK BAD! LOOSING 😂😂😂😂😂
September 16th, 2019 at 10:48 pm
mark2001 – With that 15-4 record, in two of the loses the kickers are 1-7, or he’d be 17-2 – which matches Brees record with the same points over the last 2 years (except Winston’s defense has been nearly as good).
When leading Winston has a QB rating of 117.9, and has 51 TDs to 8 INTs.
When leading Goff has has a QB rating of 117.5 and has 52 TDs to 8 INTs.
BTW, that wasn’t a pre-planned stat, I was just using Goff earlier as someone to compare him to since I think they’re similar types of players – but I had never looked at that stat until now.
Goff went to a SB based on having good WRs, a strong running game, and a top defense. Winston has had one of those three things.
September 17th, 2019 at 12:12 am
Rod,
The Rams Defense was #18 in points allowed. Not exactly Top D.
September 17th, 2019 at 12:23 am
Is Joe blind or stupid?! Jaymiss HAS LED THE LEAGUE IN TURNOVERS SINCE HES BEEN HERE. THE ENTIRE LEAGUE. Enough said
September 17th, 2019 at 1:19 am
D1 – Compared to the garbage defense Winston has had, #32 since 2015, a #18 defense would be a top defense.
September 17th, 2019 at 2:47 am
JW3 will NEVER, EVER ….get credit for what he accomplished as new Bucs QB in his first two years. Came close to playoffs in YR 1. Head coach was the liability.
The first inept Head Coach, Lovie Smith, followed by equally-inept new Head Coach, Dirk Koetter —both torpedoed Bucs future by jettisoning incredible D-talent on the Bucs roster, for stupid reasons. Still a mystery today for Bucs fans, and unexplained. Michael Bennett – comes to mind, just as one example!
Lovie Smith was clueless. Cut incredible D players. Controlled GM at that time.
Dirk was just so damn happy to be named a Head Coach; Dirk was overwhelmed with decisions outside of offense. Dirk had no overarching TEAM Win Strategy for long-term, like Sean Payton at Saints. Dirk conceded control to Jason L, for draft strategy.
And adding insult to injury–Dirk publicly stated that he preferred Marcus M over Jameis, as his #1 QB pick, and Dirk was the key dissenter in the Bucs QB room.
Bucs selected Jameis. Really, Dirk???? Nice that you made your thoughts public….good call, Dude.
Hmmnnn. If I am jW3, or Dirk….not the best kick-off for great relationship!
Then….
Koetter reciprocated to BUCS, by hiring – his Buddy (Mike Smith), who hired Koetter as OC in ATL –when Mike Smith was ATL Head coach.
Net>>>> HORRIBLE Buddy-hire….for Koetter’s career.
Smitty was open view of a disaster D-Coordinator hire for entire NFL. Smith had checked out emotionally and mentally, as an NFL coach.
The famous Bucs D – became a sad joke under Smitty – see the Chicago game, where rookie QB had a CAREER day. YIKES.
If you have ever been an athlete at ANY level – you “FEEL” your leadership support. Winston always knew …that he was not Koetter’s choice.
Now, Winston has no excuses. BA is in Winston’s corner> 100%. BA will coach Winston HARD, as Winston prefers, as Jimbo did.
Either Jameis will respond to BA, QB Whisperer…and become BUCS leader to playoffs/SB, or fade into nothing….
Jameis is on his last chance. Winston has had unfortunate circumstances, in his first 4 years. I am rooting for him to lead Bucs to playoffs, and maybe SB…..IT CAN HAPPEN!!!
With BA, confident JW3, and improved D, will be in playoffs this year. SB? Who knows? Just get in the playoffs!!!
September 17th, 2019 at 4:29 pm
It might have something to do with Winston having the most interceptions, turnovers, and tied for most fumbles lost since 2015.