Were The Bucs Predictable?
September 27th, 2019
Step back?
This gave Joe the shivers when he read it, and it may explain some things.
The Bucs defense last week, so damn good for the first 10 quarters of the season, suddenly and totally collapsed in the second half of a groin-kick of a loss to a team that was left one-dimensional, led by a rookie quarterback making his NFL debut on the road no less.
Joe remembers in the offseason speaking with someone connected to the Bucs who told Joe there was a game last year when disgraced former defensive coordinator Mike Smith ran the same defensive coverage on 17 consecutive plays.
Joe was not told what game that happened to be (the Bucs defense was throttled each and every week Smith was still here before getting run out of the building), but Joe suspects it was the road game at Atlanta where Matty Ice and Julio Jones moved the ball at will.
If the Bucs planted 11 lawn chairs on the field, those things would have played better defense because Jones may have tripped over one.
So Joe broke out in a cold sweat reading a Twitter from X’s and O’s film junkie Andy Benoit of theMMQB.com, who claimed the Bucs never really mixed up coverages against the Giants.
Film: #Bucs were predictable in coverage. Really surprising they wouldn’t challenge rookie QB and iffy Giants WRs with disguises and pressure concepts.
— Andy Benoit (@Andy_Benoit) September 25, 2019
That is not to say the Bucs didn’t get pressure on Daniel Jones, the rookie Giants QB. They most certainly did. Shaq Barrett went wilding on the Duke product with four sacks.
Imagine if a rookie can take advantage of vanilla coverage, what might Jared Goff do this Sunday?
September 27th, 2019 at 12:20 am
But Jameis is the ignorant one though huh?
Even coach said it VANILLA
5 years in a row avg 30+ points per game and these yahoos were celebrating the facts that vh3 had 12 tackles. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
aaah man you guys are funny.
Aaron Rodgers with the end zone pick how fitting ain’t karma a mofo?
September 27th, 2019 at 12:32 am
DB55,
Newsflash: Jameis still isn’t elite and never will be.
You can keep using all this other stuff as excuses for JW, but his performance on the field (we now have 4+ years of history) proves he’s not elite. Turnovers, holds ball too long, accuracy issues, terrible in the red zone, etc.
September 27th, 2019 at 12:47 am
DB55 out early spinning his Winston webs and deflections.
Will you leave when he does?
September 27th, 2019 at 1:04 am
Bandit
Anyone who supports Jameis is fully aware he’s not a perfect quarterback, and no one has stated he’s an overall ELITE quarterback. Just that he’s played well enough to win in many cases but did not due to his team being completely inept.
That’s what we call a straw man argument, and you’re probably the GOAT at doing it. I say ‘probably’ because I’m still giving guys like Pittshore, Altered etc a fair shot at the throne.
We get it. You’ve been a Bucs fan for 100 years. You’ve seen all the games and still don’t understand that there are 3 phases to the game and that there’s more to winning an NFL game than the QB having a passer rating of 158.3. You want Patrick Mahomes and think the next kid to quarterback the Bucs will look like magic, all the routine kicks to win games will just become automatic, the defense will just suddenly stop allowing 30+ points in losses, the fans will re-appear in Ray Jay, the world will fill with color again and all will be healed in Tampa. The Winston curse will forever be lifted and the Bucs will become a contender. Which is all perfect rational and grounded in sound logic, from a perfectly logical guy.
…We get it.
September 27th, 2019 at 1:32 am
Yeah yeah as usual is everybody’s else fault except Jameis.
We know our team sucks and so does Jameis and so does Mariota for that matter.
September 27th, 2019 at 1:37 am
What PriMech said.
On another note, it’s like Todd Bowles thought they had it in the bag and maybe he was saving some disguises for another opponent. What else could it be?
Nobody on this team or in this organization described this defense as vanilla or simple in any way so what gives?
Anyway, the early success of the defense is promising considering I really didn’t expect this team to play all that great out of the gate. This team is only going to get better if they can keep their minds right and trust in the coaches.
Given the track record of these coaches, I am very hopeful that these won’t be your old mentally weak Bucs.
September 27th, 2019 at 3:29 am
Personally think that Todd Bowles has worked miracles with this defense. Big plays killed them last Sunday in the 2nd half, thanks to defensive breakdowns, but it wasn’t solely the defense that had breakdowns.
Look who he was starting Sunday. VHIII is starting outside, along with Carlton Davis. One Is slow and gets burned periodically, the other can’t keep his hands to himself and keeps drawing penalties. MJ Stewart is no speedster himself at nickel. Safeties Whitehead and Edwards have a grand total of ONE year experience between them. Those are the 5 defensive backs he’s got to work with.
Who’ missing? Dean is still hurt. SMB, for whatever reason, isn’t ready. Ryan Smith suspended. Justin Evans on IR. Throw in that our #1 pick, Devin White, is banged up (I like Minter, but White is better in coverage) and OVERALL this defense is light-years better than what we fielded last year. More significantly to me, it’s got far more promise of improving in the future than we’Ve had in a very long while.
September 27th, 2019 at 3:33 am
Ricky
reading comprehension is important. I never said jameis is never at fault. I said there are 3 phases to the game and for the most part his supporters are fully aware that he’s not perfect and has had some bad outings like all quarterbacks but has also played well enough to win on many occasions when they didn’t. (I can list them out for you if you’d like)
Do you guys not understand what a straw man is?
at least y’all are consistent in your obtuse nature. 3 picks or 3 touchdowns, you guys always have something to b!+ch about.
September 27th, 2019 at 3:34 am
Hoping for a running clock this Sunday. Believing it to be a thorough beatdown.
September 27th, 2019 at 6:48 am
Defense,
VH3, are saying he is slow or plays slow? I’m curious because his speed or lack thereof is mentioned frequently.
September 27th, 2019 at 6:53 am
Daniel Jones played lights out and threw very accurate passes while under pressure and while getting hit. Doesn’t matter what coverage you run when the pass is perfect.
The easiest pass he threw was to Engram opening up the 3rd quarter. Most of the others were under duress.
September 27th, 2019 at 7:25 am
Just that he’s played well enough to win in many cases but did not due to his team being completely inept.
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Primech must be a yankee transplant.
Smokey the Bandit and his wife cooter need to go buy another case of natty ice and watch Rodgers play last night. Inaccurate, held the ball too long, TURNOVERS IN THE REDZONE.
and last I checked Rodgers plays for one of the most successful franchises in all of sports.
YEEEEEE-HAAWWWWWW DAISY LETS GO FIND US SOME POSSUM FOR BREAKFAST.
September 27th, 2019 at 7:31 am
Bucdan
Most of those passes were thrown to wide open receivers.
The pass the TE caught ala OBJ was skill wise the best play of the game for the giants. The rest were bc our secondary is terrible and makes guys like Mariota, Jones and Trubisky look like Elite HOF’ers.
WAKE UP PEOPLE
September 27th, 2019 at 7:45 am
We have a very young secondary, that obviously blew some coverages. Maybe the vanilla coverages on the back side we because the coaching staff is once again trying to simplify things because our players aren’t capable of properly executing more complex or disguised coverages at this point.
September 27th, 2019 at 7:46 am
PriMech54,
Three phases of the game and one team. The Giants loss is not on winston that’s obvious. I’m more interested in the attitude of the team at half time.
Reports say Arians about blew a value in anger when He saw the teams attitude coming into the locker room at the half.
I’m guessing they acted as if the game was already won and proceeded to celebrate the assured victory that was waiting for them at the end of the 4th qtr. Personally, this is much more concerning than a missed pass, coaches trusting winston or not, a missed field goal or a rookie secondary.
Because it’s a team problem the team, not one player or coach, can be used as a scapegoat. Also means that the win now idea is going to be postponed because the players have to work thru this and the team may or may not have the leadership in place now to make any changes stick long term.
This is a situation where the team’s immaturity is killing them. It’s hard to win if the team is committed only to 30mins of football. Some of its on coaching the rest on the teams leaders. Which it may be premature to conclude that there’s still a lack of effective locker room leaders, but it’s not a new problem so it’s not that crazy to make that type of statement.
But hey, if your interested in the deal for Mahomes. .throw in a rainbow colored unicorn and the teams next 40 first round picks are yours…imagine sunshine unicorns, cold free beer , superbowl victories piling up like free nachos .. as Mahomes throws bombs, tackles and locks down the opposing teams #1 reciever then topping it off with 80 yds field goals. No attempts because hey..he don’t miss… .oh how the heavens will favor tampa bay as Mahomes is actually Jesus Christ returned from the silver city to bring glory…..crap that’s not going to happen…..so…nix that bs idea.!
Sorry for that! As should anyone who believes that the team is one player away from total domination. Winston, Gay, McCoy, Koetter..etc etc..it’s always the same. .we’re one guy away..meanwhile 150 players later… dozens of coaches ..and 2 decades of the waiting for the promised messiah. Just saying it might be time for a rethink……
September 27th, 2019 at 7:51 am
This loss really, really hurt but it’s Friday….I think it’s time to focus on the Rams.
September 27th, 2019 at 9:43 am
Tampabaybucsfan,
Absolutely the right idea. Moving on to LA.
September 27th, 2019 at 10:13 am
DB55
We can disagree on JW’s abilities. That’s fine.
But when you post something like this…
“YEEEEEE-HAAWWWWWW DAISY LETS GO FIND US SOME POSSUM FOR BREAKFAST.”
I spent a large portion of my blogging time defending JW from some obvious racists at the time he was drafted. Sometimes the “code” was obvious!!!
It’s just as OBVIOUS in your posts. You are now no better than all those white dudes who came here to call JW…”Thug” “Dumb” and all the other stereotypes. You have just lowered yourself to the same level as those racists. I’m not going to let racist comments stand whether there from white people, black people, Asians, Hispanics.
That was a direct slam at “Southern White” people’s intellect…and lumping everybody into the “racist” “ignorant” mode…and all because somebody dares to disagree with your opinion of JW!
So do you understand what you just posted?
We’ve had our debates but I’ve always respected you until now.
If you wish to come back and say..wow I never thought of it like that apologies to the southern whites for the insult we can forget about it. If not I simply lump you into the same category as all those losers who came here to not talk about JW’s football ability or lack thereof but to call him dumb a thug.
If I typed. Well no wonder DB55 loves JW unequivocally because he’s going to side with the people on the “South Side” would you get my meaning?
Sadly racism is not contained to white people!
So DB55 if that was just a hasty remark not well thought out I can get past it. If that’s how you really feel….then we are done.
Of course I self identify as WHITE…so perhaps that will please you.
BTW I hope you take this in the spirit it is delivered. I NEVER tried to rationalize with the white racists hanging out here during the draft…I knew it was a waste of time. Because of my respect for you I felt the need to share this.
September 27th, 2019 at 10:37 am
DB55, the above post by StPete is unnecessarily gentle on you, I feel. I think you are a JW apologist from morning to night. He is far from the worse player on this team, however, he is in the most critical position on the field and is too unreliable to stay his career here. On top of his on-field problems are the many instances of poor personal judgment. You defend all this and are wrong for it.
September 27th, 2019 at 10:38 am
DB, you need to team up with 10-6 NOSBOS if you can find him.
September 27th, 2019 at 10:44 am
Decent strategy.
Conceal better looks for better offenses coming up.
Too bad it didn’t work out
September 27th, 2019 at 10:47 am
@StPeteBucFan
Man, in addition to sounding off, you sound very emotional. Easy Tiger
September 27th, 2019 at 11:19 am
And where is the apology for all of us dumb people schooled in the South.
September 27th, 2019 at 11:23 am
FanOBucs
Call it “emotional” if you wish…I call it passionate.
I’m 71. I grew up on the wrong side of the tracks for a white guy. My best friend in the 3rd grade lived on the other side of the street and was black. I saw and FELT all the racism. When I brought him to my house…1956 in Northern Kentucky…my father’ friends ripped him for allowing me to bring the wrong color into our home.
My best friends in basic training at Fort Polk were a black dude from New Orleans and a white guy from Boston. We were like the three Musketeers and hung out together and went into town together. White dudes from Alabama wished to kick my arse because they determined I was an N…lover.
I had a man at Delta Airlines advise me I should not go into broadcasting and instead stay with Delta reservations because of my incredibly bright future. Look at who is out on the floor what do you see? Reservation Agents? NO they’re women! You’re a man! You will shoot right to the top. And indeed I KNEW he was right. Think that informs my understanding of why women were so peoed then?
It’s all improved…racism and chauvinism but it’s FAR from gone. I confess to my perhaps over the top passion. Perhaps I’m just an old man and have seen too much. Well no perhaps I am and old man but I don’t feel like one in the gym…just in my head.
September 27th, 2019 at 12:14 pm
PriMech with the best post again!!
The Jameis argument on a thread about the defense once again.
He is not elite, but do you really want to endure the kinda season it would take to get a Top 2 pick and get a QB in the draft?
I for one still believe this team will upset some people this year.
Maybe this Sunday!!
They still haven’t put an entire game together.
Just sickening that the 49ers are 3-0.
Bucs could easily be 3-0 with a few plays happening differently.
The TRUE problem is that we are all sick of losing and last game allowed recent wounds to surface yet again.
Easy to blame anyone and everyone, but blaming Jameis for last games loss is out of place.
Solely on the Coaches, which hurts most of all honestly!!
September 27th, 2019 at 3:16 pm
I think the part that people are tired of with 3, is his inconsistency. Your team can be down 30 points, but it still doesn’t excuse poor judgement and overconfident risk-taking. How else are you going to close that 30 point gap? By giving the other team more opportunities?
We’re seeing an improved Jameis because of the coaching influence, play calling to his strength, and actually having a running game and defense.
So, if you’re going to make the excuse that it takes 3 phases to accept blame, then it’s 3 phases to take the credit as well.
September 27th, 2019 at 8:01 pm
Stpetebucsfan,
Excellent post! There’s far too many people who believe it’s better to insult another fan than to present their side and listen to the other. Maybe it’s the nature of the forums or perhaps an unwillingness by individuals to share something personal about themselves in a public place.
You did what few have done and its commendable and you’ve earned a few points and set an example for others to follow. Won’t happen, it is what it is.
But it doesn’t diminish the great post today.
On a personal note, reading your story reminded me of experiences I had as a child that still resonates years and years later. You’re correct about racism and bigotry it exists.
And the fact is, it always will. It may not be the same or easy to spot, it’s not acceptable anymore to be openly racist. But as casually as some people throw out the word and accuse everyone and everything of being racist I suspect that at some point the word will have no meaning whatsoever.
A win for actual racists. .woo hoo…ass clowns..
Great job.
September 28th, 2019 at 12:28 pm
D1
Thanks.