Not Just Gay
September 23rd, 2019
Rolls snake eyes.
Joe remains astonished that a coach who largely built his legacy on being a craps shooter of a playcaller had all the aggressiveness of a rabbit hiding from a fox on the prowl in the final seconds of a winnable game yesterday.
The Bucs had second down on the Giants-9 yard line with 13 seconds left and one timeout trailing 32-31. With big-time targets like Mike Evans (who had a crazy good day), O.J. Howard (who had his best game this season), Cam Brate and Chris Godwin available, Arians instead decided the best course of action was to take a penalty — on purpose! — and then run for a loss — on purpose! — to set up a field goal from a rookie kicker who already was having a shaky day.
And it wasn’t just Joe and so many Bucs fans who were stunned by this philosophy, so too was John Breech CBS Sports, who believes the loss yesterday to the Giants was every bit the fault of Bucs coaches as it was on Matt Gay.
As for Evans, he caught eight passes for 190 yards and three touchdowns. Evans’ biggest catch of the game actually went to waste. With just under 30 seconds left to play, Evans caught a 44-yard pass that took Tampa down to the Giants’ 9-yard line, but bad coaching and bad kicking kept the Bucs from capitalizing on the catch.
Maybe Joe missed the memo that Arians deep down inside is just a new version of Ground Chuck Knox?
Passing up chances to win when he had personnel advantages all over the football field and instead putting the game on the foot of a suddenly skittish rookie kicker uncomfortable at point-blank range (!) is not the kind of coach Bucs fans were sold on or thought they were getting.
There is just something odd about what Joe witnessed in the final seconds that Joe will address later this morning.
September 23rd, 2019 at 9:04 am
Joe, how is this any different when Lovie Smith decided to not put more points on the board?
The truth of the matter is that the coaching staff doesn’t trust Jameis Winston. I don’t care what they say in any interview or press conference, the fact remains that their decision making tells the truth. Jameis was very good yesterday but after being with him since January, all off season, training camp, pre-season, and two games (now 3) they do *NOT* trust Jameis Winston.
September 23rd, 2019 at 9:06 am
I’m ok with the call. I would also have been ok going for the TD.
At that point in time, the game should have been won by any number of means. Any average team would have won the game in that scenario.
September 23rd, 2019 at 9:07 am
I DIDNT UNDERSTAND THAT EITHER Evans WAS KILLING THEM WHY NOT JUST KEEP PASSING IT TO HIM? Joe Gibbs = Bruce Arians. Why does Evans look so upset ever catch? He looks like he feels he is wasted in Tampa or is it just me.
September 23rd, 2019 at 9:07 am
The only reasonable answer is that Arians feared a turnover.
September 23rd, 2019 at 9:09 am
Joe can you please demand answers on the coach on what went down yesterday during final seconds. Coach preach no risk it no biscuit but why not take a hot in the end zone.
September 23rd, 2019 at 9:10 am
Yo Joe release my posts….and WHY are they even in moderation ?
September 23rd, 2019 at 9:11 am
They called the offense pretty conservatively after Jameis threw that pick.
September 23rd, 2019 at 9:11 am
I kinda feel the same way. That maybe they don’t trust JW enough in that situation. But I also think they had time for one last play before trying the FG. There’s enough blame to go around between the player & coaches. But in the end the kicker is being paid to do one thing. Make FG’s.
September 23rd, 2019 at 9:12 am
I hated the play calling the entire second half. We were up 3 and driving earlier in the quarter and Leftwich went run, run, run, FG. All of my friends and I said “Perfect set-up to lose by one point.”
Jameis threw one terrible pass — one. You really want to stop throwing in the NFL with a 3 point lead because of one bad pass? We scored on our first SIX possessions by attacking and attacking and attacking, and Leftwich turtles the entire second half (until we got behind and had no choice). I have PTSD to all of those games in the Dungy era where we refused to put the other team away and ended up losing. Losing because of timid, bad coaching is the worst — it’s so demoralizing. I don’t think Arians and Leftwich understand winning football. You must finish off your opponent, period.
September 23rd, 2019 at 9:12 am
I’ll be honest, I’m pretty unimpressed/underwhelmed/worried about this coaching staff.
From the back to back timeouts at the end of the Carolina game in week 2 and now this delay of game nonsense this week.
How about when the Bucs were up 3 in the 4th quarter in Giants territory after a fumble and the offense ran like 8 run plays in a row and settled for a FG to go up 6! Didnt even attempt to let Jameis, who had a great game, tale momentum back with a TD
They played not to lose, so they deserved to lose
September 23rd, 2019 at 9:13 am
It doesn’t take much to figure out these coaches D and O. Blitz and throw to Evans and pressure Winston so he fumbles or throw a INT. Teams know this and our lack of adjustment will kill us.
September 23rd, 2019 at 9:13 am
I can’t take this $hit anymore. I’m sure Joe saw the nauseating number of Giant fans in the stadium. Easily a 70/30 split if not 80/20. Then to be totally humiliated and have to listen to all those fu¢ker$ on the way out…just disgusting. I’ve had it. Canceled my trip to London when I woke up this morning. The season is over and Bruce Arians has lost it.
September 23rd, 2019 at 9:14 am
Jameis is a top QB and we need to sign him he passed for 380 yards 3 TD’s, and placed us in good field in 1 min to win the game. Gay just missed the easy FG. Our DB’s need to step it up Davis has to stop getting PI’s every game and we need more INT’s.
September 23rd, 2019 at 9:14 am
If Arians doesn’t trust the quarterback, there’s no path for success.
September 23rd, 2019 at 9:16 am
Agreed with all the posts!!!!!!!!! Ole stale biscuit was afraid and had to hide away the inaccurate game manager qb!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bad defense, poor coaching, bad kicker and the sheep will give them a pass for next year!!!!! If the inaccurate game manager qb is exposed, then a new qb will be drafted and the light weight gm will be fired!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2019 will reveal answers to the sheep, that the “real” fans already know!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
September 23rd, 2019 at 9:16 am
You take a shot at the end zone, if you don’t have it throw it away. Then you take the kick right where you are, you choose this kicker in a “so-called” kicker competition. You only kick it when you are forced to, especially with a tome out left. I need to see some exuberance out of this team other than Shaq.
September 23rd, 2019 at 9:17 am
It will be fun to watch Evans and Jameis be successful elsewhere once they escape this small market circus.
September 23rd, 2019 at 9:17 am
It’s call I don’t want to take the risk of getting the ball picked . Then lose any chance at a field goal attempt.. So where is the question?
September 23rd, 2019 at 9:19 am
After that boneheaded interception, the offense was scaled way back. Winston is known for choking in the red zone. I don’t care what the coaches say, they did not trust him when the game was on the line. There was plenty of time to run one maybe 2 more plays, but the coaches knew no matter how many times they told him not to force a ball, he would nod his head in acknowledgment and he would do it anyway. Like he says, he believes he can complete “any” pass. Winston has 13 more games as a Buc, if he’s lucky.
September 23rd, 2019 at 9:19 am
Its simple what can happen it you throw the ball in the endzone right there? A TD sure but also OPI, a batted ball that gets picked, a holding penalty, a false start, a chop block, a illegal hands to the face. In other words it is ridiculous to do anything right there other than play for a chip shot FG. And for those of you saying he didn’t trust Jameis, then ask yourself this, he trusted a kicker who already missed 2 extra point at that end and missed a big FG last week? How about the reality and that is everything was fine and done correctly and the kid just missed that’s it. We all know you all want so badly to blame Jameis but this is really simple he missed the kick. It wasn’t anything other than a full on choke job by the kicker plan and simple.
September 23rd, 2019 at 9:21 am
Tells me he has no confidence in JW (throwing a pic)
September 23rd, 2019 at 9:21 am
How do people go to games every week and watch this nonsense?
September 23rd, 2019 at 9:21 am
There’s an article on Daniel Jones on CBS sports, all you see are Giants jerseys in the stands, as if it were a NY home game. Thank you Glazer Family for allowing that to happen when our best Corner of all time was being inducted into the Ring of Honor. You all disgust me as well. This town $u¢k$
September 23rd, 2019 at 9:26 am
Daniel:
They don’t go hence the 80/20 split for Giant fans. Only idiot$ like me keep buying season tickets. But no more. I’m done, I’m out, it’s over.
September 23rd, 2019 at 9:26 am
Only the moron fans and journalists in this town would be talking about the QB we he threw for 380 and 3 scores AND went 70 yards in 1 minute and 12 seconds to setup a chip shot FG. But let’s all ignore the defense that was GOD AWFUL and gave up not 1, not 2, not 3, but 4, freaking 4 70 plus yards drives to a rookie QB making his first ever start without his best weapon! You people are truly something special. Sometimes I am embarrassed to be from this city, today with the complete lack of football knowledge begin displayed is one of those days. My goodness you people are clueless and this website just keeps feeding the clueless.
September 23rd, 2019 at 9:27 am
TampaTown Says:
September 23rd, 2019 at 9:21 am
There’s an article on Daniel Jones on CBS sports, all you see are Giants jerseys in the stands, as if it were a NY home game. Thank you Glazer Family for allowing that to happen when our best Corner of all time was being inducted into the Ring of Honor. You all disgust me as well. This town $u¢k$
barber best corner LAUGHABLE…. talib had more talent in his left nut than barber had….. just because he hung on forever does not make him great…. bucs legends are janitors and backups on the patriots… barber like that fool 55 hung on forever but never won a damn thing unless they were riding sapps coattails.
September 23rd, 2019 at 9:28 am
BA’s “consultant” HC gig is getting old already…
Feels too much like Ken Howard starring in “The White Shadow”
September 23rd, 2019 at 9:30 am
Maybe Arians can hire a game management coach.
September 23rd, 2019 at 9:31 am
Breaking News DB 55 says Jaymiss makes pro bowl on first half performance! Jock Sniffer.
September 23rd, 2019 at 9:31 am
Jameis Winston is not the reason we lost this game. It fact he had a hot hand. Bruce Arians is the reason. He’s full of hot air and in my opinion lied to our face about purposely taking the delay of game penalty. I don’t trust him anymore
September 23rd, 2019 at 9:32 am
WinSTUNNED’s fault, because the coaches had zero confidence in him winning it at the end. HE HAS TO GO!!!!
September 23rd, 2019 at 9:32 am
The coaches don’t trust Jameis, yet they start him. Do you people hear yourselves? They had all of the off-season, they had pre-season and they continue to start him, but they also don’t trust him to do what he has done BETTER THAN ANY BUCS QB EVER which is throw the rock for TDs. He had 1 INT in the last 2 games. But they don’t trust him to throw a TD when they are in the red zone. Until I hear those who are paid to do this say that, I’ll take the words of the Jameis haters as farts in the wind because that’s all they are worth.
September 23rd, 2019 at 9:33 am
Let’s not forget Todd Bowles had the real meltdown
September 23rd, 2019 at 9:34 am
And also consider he knew they had been in the red zone what 5 other times and could not convert. He did have things to think about.
September 23rd, 2019 at 9:35 am
4 of 5 on field goals 1 missed XP, not sure what the problem is. Blocked kick was on the O-line and who the hell takes a penalty so you can move the kick back further?
September 23rd, 2019 at 9:35 am
This, right here, is mentally weak reasoning.
Do you think Andy Reid makes that call in that same situation with Patrick Mahomes? Do you think Bill Belichick makes that call with Tom Brady when Tom was in his 5th season?
That was the softest and weakest set of play calling I have seen in a long time. In any sport when the game is on the line you want the ball in the hands of your BEST players. What happened in those final seconds yesterday should tell fans what the staff really thinks. The coaching staff have no confidence in Jameis. Their ACTIONS say so. They don’t believe that Jameis Winston can make the play when it matters.
September 23rd, 2019 at 9:35 am
It was Jameis’ fault that the QB sneak for a TD happened. SMH….\
It was Jameis’ fault that the kicker missed 2 extra points, AFTER JAMEIS threw the TDs to set them up
The coaches don’t trust Jameis to do what he had done for the last 2 games which is put up a very respectable TD/INT ratio.
That’s why coaches don’t listen to fans because most of them are dumb AF.
September 23rd, 2019 at 9:37 am
The ole stale biscuit is moldy
September 23rd, 2019 at 9:37 am
BTW you people do realize that Jared Goff threw picks last night AND lost a fumble so they should just not trust him right. Oh BTW they still won the game on the road.
September 23rd, 2019 at 9:38 am
NDog – I’m with you. The Bucs “Fans” are the dumbest SOBs in the NFL. Continually proving that every single week
September 23rd, 2019 at 9:39 am
9 for 15 and a pick in the second half that’s wining football? Jonzey? Yeah give us five more yeas of this crap!
September 23rd, 2019 at 9:41 am
ou812 – what happened on the last drive? Anything before that Re: Jameis is moot, because he put us in position to win ON THE LAST DRIVE. How do you discount that part of your 2nd half analysis? I know why, because you’re crap posting.
September 23rd, 2019 at 9:44 am
Everyone needs to keep Winston’s name out they mouth. He threw for something like 380 yard and 3 TD’s and yes 1 INT. Mike Evans historic day 9 catches 190 yards 3 TD’s. Only thing people need to be talking about is Matt Gay, the defense especially the secondary, and poor coaching decisions. That and the humiliation of having to be in the stadium yesterday. If you weren’t there you cannot possibly imagine how horrible it was
September 23rd, 2019 at 9:44 am
Jared Goff led that team to a Super Bowl appearance. Jameis Winston isn’t leading this team anywhere.
You’re getting this all twisted as usual because of your insistence in defending Jameis no matter what. I’ll make it clear, yesterday’s loss is not on Jameis. All I am saying is that it’s very telling with that series of decisions towards the end what they really think of Jameis’ ability to win games.
You put the ball in the hands of your best players. The coaching staff took the ball out of Jameis’ hands. Feel free to try and convince yourself otherwise but that’s exactly what happened.
September 23rd, 2019 at 9:46 am
The answer to your question, Joe is that BA didn’t trust JW….he will never admit that and shouldn’t.
Now that Gay missed, BA has no one he can trust.
I know it’s hard to believe but Jameis has a track record of mistakes and you can’t blame BA for lack of trust.
September 23rd, 2019 at 9:47 am
Retired coach
Retired mindset
September 23rd, 2019 at 9:49 am
I think the screw ups were all over the place. Defense, offense and special teams. The coaches were bad the team was bad. You cant score that many points against a rookie QB and bad D and not get a W. Sad
September 23rd, 2019 at 9:51 am
ChanEpic You mean the last drive that did not win the game? The objective is to win the game. Talk about CRAPPY post!
September 23rd, 2019 at 9:51 am
The only way to make any sense of the calls after Jameis pick (including 7 straight runs that one drive) is that they must have seen someting when reviewing tape that led them to believe that when Jameis throws his first pick he tends to spiral downward from there. That his picks come in bunches. That once he thrwos the first one the chances of him dwelling on it and throwing more is high. It could be true, but still have to mix in teh odd pass..
September 23rd, 2019 at 9:52 am
They don’t TRUST JW… plain and simple.
September 23rd, 2019 at 9:53 am
Nearly every coach in the league would pick kicking vs have Winston drop back. Winston had a good game…..but Winston’s history cant be overlooked, nor can the 2nd interception that was a quick reminder of what can happen if you lean on him too much. Maybe Tom Brady….Aaron Rodgers….Mahomes….Brees….MAYBE they get one play in the end zone but that’s an elite few that odds are they kick as well. But Winston isn’t in that conversation so the simple decision was to kick. The classic Bucs approach was make the kick more complicated and find a way to lose….which we executed to perfection.
September 23rd, 2019 at 9:53 am
and have to agree with OU.. don’t care how good a first half you have.. play 60 mins… how many teams can go out and only get a field goal the entire second half and expect to win the game? Reality is all 3 phases of this team didn’t show up in the second half
September 23rd, 2019 at 9:53 am
No NFL coach would go for a touchdown when you’re down by 1 with 12 seconds left and at the 9 yard line. The correct call was made, but the kick was missed. Jameis did his job, we just lost the game. Let’s see how we react this week against the Rams. Maybe call the Jags and package Brate, Hargraves (or D-back of their choosing) and a 1st round draft pick for Ramsey…
September 23rd, 2019 at 9:54 am
I jus don’t get some of u guys. Jameis played very good football yesterday. The DB’s suck and the kicking sucked. 7yrs of losing becuz of our kickers!
September 23rd, 2019 at 9:54 am
GAY DIDN’T HIT THE KICK CLEAN!!!! HE ADMITTED IT!!!! Sure, we shouldn’t have even been in that position. PREVENT D IS BACK WOOOOOOO!!!! F’n GREAT!!! This team doesn’t know how to play with the lead, never have. Anything that could go wrong did go wrong simple is that!!!! This sucks this sucks sucks sucks sucks f’n sucks. F these guys, they just love to ruin Sunday’s
September 23rd, 2019 at 9:55 am
D-Rome I’ll be clear you are saying he trusted a kicker who already missed 2 extra point at that end of the field and missed a big FG last week. So you try to convince yourself of that tough guy. You make no sense and your determination to blame the QB is sad. This was not about trust it’s about each player doing their job, that’s it. You’re just making up crap to make yourself feel like your correct, which like normal you’re not.
September 23rd, 2019 at 9:55 am
Any coach sets up for the field goal to win the game.
September 23rd, 2019 at 9:56 am
I think we passed a total of 4 times after Winston s pick. So I think BA was playing it safe. If you can’t trust your QB in the 4th quarter you need another Qb.
September 23rd, 2019 at 9:56 am
Coburn, that is a fascinating point. I’d be willing to bet that statistically speaking what you are saying bears itself out. I’d love to see a breakdown of this. The Rays make decisions all the time based on metrics. Perhaps they know something about Jameis Winston and his performance after an INT is thrown in the 2nd half.
September 23rd, 2019 at 9:57 am
If you don’t have faith that your starting QB will manage that situation, you don’t have a starting QB. JW is done. Or at least they think he is.
September 23rd, 2019 at 9:58 am
ou812 – do coaches coach or do players coach? Simple question for the simple minded. The coach called the plays, so Jameis gets them to the red zone, and THE COACH makes the play calls, not the other way around. So, why did the coach call the plays he called? BECAUSE THE SITUATION CALLED FOR IT and no matter the amount of redneck arm chair monday morning QBing will change THAT FACT. So, yep your posts and takes are crap and you belong in the stands where fans should be.
September 23rd, 2019 at 9:59 am
All good points Bobby M. The thing is, if Winston isn’t in that conversation then he’s not the QB of the future. If he gets the long term deal this franchise will have buyers remorse just like the Bengals have with Andy Dalton.
September 23rd, 2019 at 10:00 am
D Rome, you’re blinded by your hatred. This is the NFL and any professional kicker in this league is expected to make 34 yard field goals. Arians was taking the logical move of running the clock down to 2 seconds and expecting Gay to make a very easy kick. Gay probably makes that kick 98 times out of 100. Even Bill would probably take this same route with Brady on the field because the chances of throwing a TD pass is far less than 98%.
September 23rd, 2019 at 10:00 am
It certainly appeared that we took our foot off the gas in the 2nd half, however, I’m okay not throwing for the endzone on the last drive. I’d bet most if not all teams would have ran the clock down and kicked the field goal. The delay of game was dumb, but you have to make that kick.
September 23rd, 2019 at 10:01 am
Tampa fans who are also Jameis haters allow me to educate you, again. If the coaches had no faith in Jameis, HE WOULDN’T BE STARTING. It’s just that simple. It makes no sense to say the coaching staff doesn’t have faith in their starting QB because there are other QBs on the roster. So you people want people of reasonable intelligence to think Coach A is stupid enough to START A QB HE HAS NOT FAITH IN?!?!?! Honestly do you read what you type or just blurt out anything to comes to mind as long as it bashes Jameis? Not that he doesn’t deserve blame ever, but today is NOT THAT DAY and only homer hating fans are saying otherwise.
September 23rd, 2019 at 10:03 am
“I’m going to start a QB that I have not faith in even though we had another vet on the roster and also another younger player on the roster” – Coach Arians in the small mind of the Bucs JW haters. It makes 0 sense.
September 23rd, 2019 at 10:12 am
Bucs’ fans are actually humorous after a loss. Do you all ever listen to yourselves? You attack EACH OTHER constantly, and yet none of you were out there playing the game.
Jameis played good enough to win yesterday. So did ME13, so did OJ, so did RoJo. Our defense as a whole didn’t. Neither did Gay or our S/Ts. Neither did our coaches. Right now this looks like a young team on its way to a 6-10 record, at best. HOPEFULLY they regroup. If not, then HOPEFULLY they’re at least competitive for the remaining games and set a solid foundation for next season. Let’s see what they’re made out of.
September 23rd, 2019 at 10:12 am
how many passes did Jameis throw after the interception?
Just shows BA has zero faith in Winston in the Red Zone (with good reason)
September 23rd, 2019 at 10:12 am
Kickers made 94% of the Field Goals last year inside of 39 yards.
You can take a shot, but the odds of an offensive holding call are not zero.
I was OK with Arian’s decision. It really is simple: the kicker lost the game.
September 23rd, 2019 at 10:13 am
There is a flaw with your line of thinking which doens’t surprise me. Jameis Winston is starting because he gives the Bucs a better chance to win than Ryan Griffin. Ryan Griffin is not better than Jameis Winston and you’re suppose to put your best players out on the field. Don’t make this more complicated than it needs to be.
With 13 seconds to go there is plenty of time to make one or two plays before you try for the FG. Jameis had an excellent game and Mike Evans was dominating. In any sport with a ball you want the ball to be in the hands of your best players!
Coach Band-Aid took the ball out of Jameis Winston with 13 seconds left to go. It has nothing to do with faith. It has to do with trust.
Lastly, I do not hate Jameis Winston. What bothers you is that my long-standing criticism of his play and decision making is accurate. There is a difference between hating someone and being critical of someone. Yesterday’s loss in not on Jameis. It’s on the coaching staff first and foremost, for not having trust in Jameis and Mike Evans to make a play.
September 23rd, 2019 at 10:13 am
I don’t understand the questioning of the playcalling at the end of the game.
You wanted him to put it in the hands of the QB who’s thrown the most INTs in the league since 2015?
You put the ball in the middle of the field and kick the FG to end the game. Doesn’t matter if you’re conservative or a gambler coach. It was a miracle that we even got the ball that close.
The kicker has to make the kick. I don’t ever blame the kicker for games lost but the 2 XPs killed us. The missed FG buried us.
With the two XPs, NY would’ve been down 33-25 late in the game and would’ve had to get 2 point conversion just to tie game at the end.
Its the kicker’s fault. PERIOD.
September 23rd, 2019 at 10:14 am
Joe,
I think I can solve the Bucs kicking problem. Please here me out and ask the question to Licht.
Find a kicker that is at least 95% inside of 35 yards and has at least a three year NFL track record. Missed extra points and give me field goals are crushing this franchise. Any kicker that can‘t consistently hit the easy ones will turn into a basket case quick as the weight of expectations overwhelm him.
I don’t care and no-one else should care about his percentage on kicks longer than 35 yards because of what I mentioned above. We can simply go for it on 4th or play the field position game outside of 35 yard kicks.
This kicker will probably exist on the open market because he does not have a strong leg. This is precisely how we will target and sign said kicker.
Again, missing kicks inside of 35 yards is crushing the team and fan base and has done so the last decade. We are usually competitive early in the season, get soul crushed because of choking kicker like Matt Gay and the team collapses by mid October.
No longer. We need to fix it.
September 23rd, 2019 at 10:18 am
Ndog you’re totally right and everyone saying we should have gone for a TD when a low risk FG wins outright is just playing games
September 23rd, 2019 at 10:20 am
D-Rome, No flaw in my thinking, you’re just grasping. Wasn’t Ryan Griffin on the team in the off season? JW too. Blaine Gabbert was brought in, but no one thought he would take over the #1, not anyone. So in the minds of the resident Buc haters, this coach who has forgotten more than you or I will ever know, decided: “I have no faith in my starting QB so I’ll not do anything about it even though I was brought in here to win”? You also want us to believe that this same QB the coaching staff has no faith in, is better than the other guy sitting on the bench? So this coaching staff has no faith in any of the current Qbs? That doesn’t pass the smell test.
Lastly, I recognize and separate good football analysis from snarky hate. Literally the only people I see blaming Jameis for yesterday’s loss are supposed Bucs fans, some of which ARE raging bigots. So, if I painted you with the bigot JW crap posters unfairly, apologies. But it still is only speculation when people attribute motives to people they don’t know or speak to and I’ll continue to point out that kind of garbage.
September 23rd, 2019 at 10:21 am
D-Rome, No flaw in my thinking, you’re just grasping. Wasn’t Ryan Griffin on the team in the off season? JW too. Blaine Gabbert was brought in, but no one thought he would take over the #1, not anyone. So in the minds of the resident Buc haters, this coach who has forgotten more than you or I will ever know, decided: “I have no faith in my starting QB so I’ll not do anything about it even though I was brought in here to win”? You also want us to believe that this same QB the coaching staff has no faith in, is better than the other guy sitting on the bench? So this coaching staff has no faith in any of the current Qbs? That doesn’t pass the smell test.
Lastly, I recognize and separate good football analysis from snarky hate. Literally the only people I see blaming Jameis for yesterday’s loss are supposed Bucs fans, some of which ARE raging big ots. So, if I painted you with the big
ot JW crap posters unfairly, apologies. But it still is only speculation when people attribute motives to people they don’t know or speak to and I’ll continue to point out that kind of garbage.
September 23rd, 2019 at 10:21 am
If they threw an INT or fumbled down there then you’d be whining that they should’ve kicked a field goal. Hindsight is 20/20. This is a 7-9 team and I’ve always felt that and this is just 2 of the 9 losses as soon as you accept that you won’t get so worked up during the next 7 losses this season.
September 23rd, 2019 at 10:21 am
Hopefully, at some point the Glazers will realize that doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result is pure insanity. They need a true CEO to run the franchise, and a president to run the football side. The team lacks talent at key positions, and has for many years. See e.g. kicker. Yet the Bucs are in cap hell. How can you lose year after year and be in cap hell? Answer: Terrible management. Enough already.
September 23rd, 2019 at 10:24 am
1. Almost any coach would kick the field goal.
2. Jameis played a great game.
September 23rd, 2019 at 10:28 am
“9 for 15 and a pick in the second half that’s wining football?”
That was the most inconsequential pick I have ever seen in my life.
Fire the freaking kicker and move on!
Gumpster Fire
September 23rd, 2019 at 10:31 am
7 straight runs after a pick shows you a lot….
Even I ain’t trust him after that pick….mike was wide open….
GO BUCS
September 23rd, 2019 at 10:34 am
A 34 yard FG has about a 94% successful rate. What do you think the rate is for any other play? I doubt you will get better than those odds. This game was lost by the kicker and of course the defense in the last 3 minutes. I don’t know how many times they have actually stopped someone in the last few minutes to preserve a win. Last week was one but I can rattle off quite a few where they folded.
Redskins, Bills, Falcons to name just a few. Now you can add Giants to that list.
September 23rd, 2019 at 10:41 am
Anyone who blames Winston for this loss is just a hating moron. Do you realize in the first half he lead the Bucs to scoring drives on all 6 possessions of that half. That has to be a bucs record, i don’t recall any other QB doing that for the bucs, but I could be wrong. The point is he did more than enough to win that game, including going 66 yards in the final minutes to set up a easy field goal. It occurred to me this is Winstons life as a buc in a nutshell. Play a good game get your team in position to win and something bad happens to ultimately lose the game. Sure he has bad games and deserves blame for the loss. But to say Winston is the cause of every loss is just plain hating. Also the bucs got way too conservative in the second half for my taste, they should have just kept doing what got them the lead in the first place. If you want to blame someone for the loss in order, Kicker, Defense, Coach, any one who puts Winston in that list is just hating. Just saying!!
September 23rd, 2019 at 10:42 am
@813bucboi
Congratulations on slowly “realizing”!!!!!!!!!!!! And even though I and the ” real” fans told you months ago, any small step towards the truth is a victory!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now go listen to some of that Jay-z music!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2019 will reveal answers to the sheep, that the “real” fans already know!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
September 23rd, 2019 at 10:42 am
Arians did not want to risk JW making another crazy turnover.
September 23rd, 2019 at 10:43 am
Pittshore – posting the same thing over and over again doesnt make it more true.
September 23rd, 2019 at 10:46 am
I still don’t get how on 4th and 5, not one single player is assigned to spy this quarterback that has shown you that he can run! I was telling my dad right before that they had better watch the qb scramble and sure enough.
And then we waste a chance with 13 seconds left. We’re inside the 20 with a timeout left. You got Evans and OJ and Brate and Godwin. The offense is red hot and istead of taking a shot, we not only elect to put the game on our rookie kickerbut we purposely go backwards!
In my opinion, this game is on the coaching staff.
September 23rd, 2019 at 10:47 am
The coaches have trust in Jameis …. game plan change. DO you watch football?
The 2 starting LB for giants injured. Leftwhich “try to establish “ the run while the giants kept the foot down passing. Too late to “establish “the run after giving up one play TD to start 3rd qtr.
giants adjusted well. Bowles didn’t. Leftwich didn’t.
Bowles went in with stopping Barkley. Well Barkley was out. Did Bowles adjust to stop JONES ? No. He kept trying to stop the run.
Leftwich left the passing after scorching the secondary. And he went to running dummy plays.
I blame Bruce Arians and coaches. Stay aggressive. Adjust.
Bruce says Matt gay is fine. He will be fine. Really ? Really ?
No it’s not ok. The guy is at what 75%. For that bring in aguayo !
September 23rd, 2019 at 10:54 am
My problem is a HC & DC who play scared. 2nd half our D played back no blitz giving Giants way to much time to throw and complete passes. Then on last drive we hit Evans at the 8 with 30sec and a timeout. call the TO and get 3 plays to the end zone and still have time for the FG if you don’t score. There was no need to try to run to the line 60yd down field call the TO. Go for the TD then if failed at least it you still have the fg in your pocket.
September 23rd, 2019 at 10:58 am
The stupidity runs deep in this room. The fact that we lost because a kicker missed a chip shot fg and some of you clowns are still blaming jameis is astonishing. Hope jamies runs for the hills after this seasom and gets away from you clowns.
September 23rd, 2019 at 11:00 am
This is still a 5-win team until further notice. Arians cost us the NYG game with bad play call mgmt. Its on him and he will need to eat the lost-burger by himself. He should have KNOWN his kickers confidence was suspect when he missed 2 PATs.
For all the my criticism of Winston, he has looked better this year. He is finally learning how to throw the long ball (proper trajectory) and allow the receiver to find it and snatch it. Winston should have been given a crack at the end zone with 13 seconds left and it should have been a high ball to Evans/Brate in the corner. Arians sent the wrong signal and now Winston mentally may be questioning himself AGAIN! JBF put up the confidence poll again. I have been voting little confidence since Arians called the back to back timeouts….another coaching blunder. Arians better pick it up or Bowles will be the coach in 2020. Glazers coddle way too much.
September 23rd, 2019 at 11:06 am
Daily dose of Reality:
At Rams, At Saints, London Panthers, at Titans, at Seahawks. That will put us at 1-7 or at best 2-6. Teddy will continue to get better. Panthers want revenge. Rams will crush us. Titans 50/50 on this one. Seahawks will crush is since JW can keep his wits in hostile environments
September 23rd, 2019 at 11:09 am
I think it all comes down to Winston and being comfortable in the new system. The first 2 games and the second half of yesterday’s game Winston hasn’t looked completely comfortable in the new offense. I really thought after the first half yesterday it started to click. There at the end if Winston would have thrown an INT both him and the coach wouldn’t hear the end of it. And say what they want, both coach and Winston heard the talk week one of qb whisperer and a QB that can’t do it in his 5th year. So, I think they took the way they felt gave them the best chance to win.
Yesterday was a crappy way to get the L, but I still feel like we’re a lot further along then last year. Once Winston gets comfortable in this new offense I really think they’ll start racking up the points….. we just need to go for 2.
September 23rd, 2019 at 11:12 am
It’s not that crazy but it is in the neighborhood.
(BTW, Lovie pulled the same stunt Saturday night. He lost by one score.)
September 23rd, 2019 at 11:15 am
Incompetent loser lovie smith set this franchise back a decade!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! But the Glazers are the ones that keep re-upping this garbage year after year!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2019 will reveal answers to the sheep, that the “real” fans already know!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
September 23rd, 2019 at 11:20 am
Realist
Still a lot of football left….
Now pull your skirt down and get back to your mothers basement….
GO BUCS
September 23rd, 2019 at 11:25 am
If you had a QB with a hero complex who has a history of throwing the ball to the other team and holds the ball too long and taking foolish sacks, would you really take that chance.
The correct play was put the ball where the kicker wants it and send him out there and kick the damn ball, not fk with his head by taking a delay of game and move him back to the distance that he has already missed two kicks at on the day.
September 23rd, 2019 at 11:26 am
CGmasterbaiter. And we hope he takes you with him.
September 23rd, 2019 at 11:28 am
https://mobile.twitter.com/louisptack/status/1175965464016695296?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1175965464016695296&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fforums.footballsfuture.com%2Findex.php%3Fapp%3Dcore%26module%3Dsystem%26controller%3Dembed%26url%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Flouisptack%2Fstatus%2F1175965464016695296%3Fs%3D20
CRAZY STAT Jameis Winston has had a passer rating of 100.0+, 21-times in his career, he has lost 10 of them. Tom Brady has had a passer rating of 100.0+, 130-times in his career, he has lost only 9 of them.
But it’s ALLLLLL Jameis’ fault always.
September 23rd, 2019 at 11:28 am
CRAZY STAT Jameis Winston has had a passer rating of 100.0+, 21-times in his career, he has lost 10 of them. Tom Brady has had a passer rating of 100.0+, 130-times in his career, he has lost only 9 of them.
But it’s ALLLLLL Jameis’ fault always.
September 23rd, 2019 at 11:28 am
Pittsshore … Daily dose of Reality? Not hardly. Reality #1 is that we’re 1-2 after 3 games. Reality #2 is that we have 5 tough games coming up to close out the first half of this season, with 3 of those occurring before our Bye week. Reality #3 is that ALL of those games are on the road.
We knew it was a brutal schedule before the season started. What we didn’t know was how good … or bad … our own team would be, especially in the first half of the season. Young team with lots of ‘youngsters’ starting (1st & 2nd year players are hardly veterans). They’re still learning. Apparently the same holds true for this coaching staff. We’ve all seen a LOT of good stuff happen on the field in these first 3 games, as well as a LOT of bad stuff. If ‘Good Jameis’ shows up as our QB, if the defense plays like it did in the first 2 games, and if S/Ts gets their act together, this TEAM could do some damage. I have to keep telling myself not to write them off after 3 games. There’s still HOPE that they can salvage this year and end up with a decent record.
September 23rd, 2019 at 11:29 am
813bucboi
Your messed up fetishes having nothing to do with the truth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I let you expose how wrong you were all off season!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now sit back down at the kids table while the adults talk football!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If you are quite and listen, you might learn something!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2019 will reveal answers to the sheep, that the “real” fans already know!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
September 23rd, 2019 at 11:29 am
D-Rome Says: They do not trust JW.
And I must add, with good reason,
September 23rd, 2019 at 11:29 am
Pittshore, the poor little snowflake crap posts again… LOL….
September 23rd, 2019 at 11:34 am
This naive skirt down amateur skeptic and Bucs managment doubter remains confused as to when OC Byron Leftwich calls plays or his sidelined by Arians. How does this team actually work?
September 23rd, 2019 at 11:35 am
“Tale of two halves
It was the best of times, It was the worst of times
Seems like there was two playcallers
indeed most of the 1st half was scripted
JW was decisive and the plays were quick and proficient
With the big lead, BA once again gave the reigns to My Leftfoot
You can see on the sideline, Leftfoot flipping the play sheet like it had mustard covered on the Steak & Shake menu
and back to JW holding the ball looking deep and doing the cha cha while Cappa and Smith was floundering on his feet
BA needs to demote Leftfoot or we wont win another game”
Son of Kobe Faker
September 23rd, 2019 at 11:37 am
@TiredBucFan Says: The old theory of a rookie QB no longer holds water. Look through the league and see the rookies and backups playing like their all pro’s.
The only place that does not happen is in Tampa. We continue to ride a dead horse that is too slow, cannot read the defense, throws behind runners, throws to receivers as soon as they are well covered, has a slow-release and 100 other things.
September 23rd, 2019 at 11:39 am
This is the most heinous attempt to justify the loss and pin it on Arians for the end of the game call. Most coaches in that situation do what Arians did, maybe not take the delay of game, but certainly play for the FG. NFL kickers are for the most part, automatic from that range. Gay had already made three other FG’s on the day, why would Arians have any reason to doubt the kicker at that point. Why take a chance on running a play, or attempting a TD? If the RB fumbles, or a sack and JW fumble, or a INT, everyone would have went crazy saying, “the game was in the bag, all they had to do was kneel and kick the FG.”
If you want to lay blame for the 2nd half offensive play calls maybe being too conservative then fine. If you want to blame Todd Bowles and his defensive calls or the defensive secondary for giving up tons of big plays to Bert Jones, I mean Dan Jones then that is totally justified. But to blame Arians for the end of the game call is too much of a reach for me.
September 23rd, 2019 at 11:46 am
The Giants adjusted and the Bucs did not.
The kid flat out missed. It is rather peculiar of a series, sure. BUT, we were in place to win a game and didn’t.
To suggest anything other than defensive secondary failure and coaching lost that game is ludicrous. I saw it coming, coaches should have too. They needed to help Hargreaves.
September 23rd, 2019 at 11:50 am
Help Hargreaves?
You mean release him so he can go on to a different career ? He ain’t gonna get better
September 23rd, 2019 at 11:53 am
D-Rome spot on. The look on Jameis’ face after he gifted the ball on his pick. You knew it was going downhill. Can you imagine what would happen if they dropped back and he threw a pick or had a characteristic fumble on the 9 with 10 seconds left? Don’t blame the coaches at all from taking the ball out of his hands. he did a great job with what he had to do.
The field goal was the right call.
Backing the field goal up, highly questionable. The rookie Kicker already missed 2 from ostensibly the same distance he was backed up to.
September 23rd, 2019 at 11:56 am
Daniel Jones proved he’s the real deal in his first game by withstanding a lot of adversity (losing Saquon, assault and battery by Sack Barrett, huge hit by Nassib).
The kid made great decisions with the football and overcame a pretty large defect.
Jones won the game.
The Bucs cannot come out flat on offense to start the second half and allow that momentum shift.
Winston threw an awful pick but he played well enough overall for the team to win.
You’ve got plenty of time left for a shot to the end-zone and a time-out should and underneath route be open or a QB run up the middle be tackled short.
The missed extra point (second was blocked) and the missed FG at the end lost the game
But overall Daniel f**king Jones won the game.
That kid played lights out.
September 23rd, 2019 at 11:56 am
It’s true. We have the DUMBEST “fan”- base in all of sports.
There’s only one reason we lost the game.
DO YOUR JOB…………MAKE THE KICK
September 23rd, 2019 at 12:01 pm
Daniel Jones proved he’s the real deal in his first game by withstanding a lot of adversity (losing Saquon, assault and battery by Sack Barrett, huge hit by Nassib).
The kid made great decisions with the football and overcame a pretty large defect.
Jones won the game.
The Bucs cannot come out flat on offense to start the second half and allow that momentum shift.
Winston threw an awful pick but he played well enough overall for the team to win.
You’ve got plenty of time left for a shot to the end-zone and a time-out should and underneath route be open or a QB run up the middle be tackled short.
The missed extra point (second was blocked) and the missed FG at the end lost the game
But overall Daniel freaking Jones won the game.
That kid played lights out.
September 23rd, 2019 at 12:03 pm
Is Matt Gay still employed?
September 23rd, 2019 at 12:07 pm
The Bucs had every opportunity to curb stomp the Giants after the first half.
The Giants fought back and generated a statement victory.
It’s football.
The Bucs don’t know how to win, and that was a very tough loss to take yesterday.
I hope they’re all pissed off today and take out some serious aggression in LA Sunday.
Next game will tell us a lot about the toughness of this team and ability of this coaching staff.
Time to man the-F up Boys!
September 23rd, 2019 at 12:11 pm
3-13
September 23rd, 2019 at 12:34 pm
Bucsfanman … “To suggest anything other than defensive secondary failure and coaching lost that game is ludicrous. I saw it coming, coaches should have too. They needed to help Hargreaves.”
Agree totally, BUT … WHO was available to help VHIII? The way TB uses the safeties, we’d have to change the defense to ‘help’ VHIII. Besides, he’s the veteran in the crowd & SHOULD be able to hold his own. Personally think that TB is just biding his time until he can get either SMB or Dean up-to-speed. We might even see Ryan Smith on the outside for awhile opposite Carlton Davis, who knows. I like VHIII as a nickel but he’s frustrating on the outside.
September 23rd, 2019 at 12:36 pm
Pittstain, been a fan longer the youve been alive little boy. And when jameis gets signed to an extension, ill be here to clown you out for the next 5 years. Im not going anywhere troll, maybe you should.
September 23rd, 2019 at 12:47 pm
It was the right call but a rookie kicker choked. If he didnt everyone on here except maybe realist who’d of praised them all. The fact is a turnover or a sack could of ended the game or an offensive penalty (10 seconds run off)
September 23rd, 2019 at 12:52 pm
Remind me clowns: what is JW winning percentage? Someone once said “you are what your record says you are”. He sucks and Leftwich knows it and does not rust him.
September 23rd, 2019 at 12:55 pm
U know why we always lose at home because everytime n I mean everydamntime there r more fans for the away team screaming for there team than there is bucs fans. Its embarrassing yet way less away fans when were on the road n yet on TV I can hear them but all I hear at home r nyg fans Brown fans 9ers fans the list goes on and on. Tampa has gotten to where they dont deserve a team. SMMFH
September 23rd, 2019 at 12:56 pm
CGmasterbaiter. It must suck being proven wrong all the time. Pops should have pulled out
September 23rd, 2019 at 12:58 pm
Browns didnt have that problem n the sucked way longer the saints before Patten n brees didnt have this problem but Tampa 🤦♂️🤷♂️
September 23rd, 2019 at 1:16 pm
Nice comeback pittstain, shows youre about what, 12 years old? And youve proven nothing outaide of the fact that youre a worthless troll little boy.
September 23rd, 2019 at 1:20 pm
And yes pittshore, your dad shouldve pulled out It wouldve saved us all you making us all a little dumber with every post.
September 23rd, 2019 at 1:40 pm
Here’s all the WinSTUNNED stats you need: 22 wins 35 losses …nothing more to analyze
September 23rd, 2019 at 1:46 pm
Pittstain, and what exactly have you been right about? And yes your pops shouldve pulled out, it would save us all getting dumber with every post you write.
September 23rd, 2019 at 1:48 pm
@bruce nice fake account. Is this pittshore, or one of our other resident trolls? Im sure youre dumb enough to out the loss on jameis yesterday when our kicker misses a chip shot fg? This whole w l record for qbs is thevmost stuoid stat there is when there is 21 other guys that can screw it up.
September 23rd, 2019 at 1:50 pm
Yes Joe you are completely right on this, also I heard in postgame interview you(Lee) ask him was there any thought to not kicking it and the answer was “No” nothing added to that just “No”. It is a shame–he is not stupid and he knows it was his decision that could of cost the Bucs the win.
September 23rd, 2019 at 1:52 pm
BTW, Jameis attempted 35+ passes. A coincidence?!
The tin-foil hat’s off now!
September 23rd, 2019 at 2:13 pm
I have heard arguments on both sides of this topic at the water fountian today. Some think it was the right call to put it in the kickers corner. Others support going for it. Both have venerable points. IMPHO I knew the minute that they didn’t call a time out right after that wonderful Winsto/Evans connection that put them on the 9 yard line it was over! I think they should’ve took at least obe more shot at the end zone, then kicked it if it didn’t work out. There would’ve been plenty of time on the clock. May have even been enough time to take 2 shots at the end zone & still try for 3. I think even though the 2nd quarter was a horrendous one for the guys in red ultimately they playrs put themselves in a position to win & the coaches took it away from them by trying to play it safe…
September 23rd, 2019 at 2:49 pm
As weak as it sounds… taking the “gimme” field goal was the smart call.
…or it would be, if we had a kicker who could make chip-shot kicks.
We could have tried to score a touchdown, but we were down one point, and only needed a simple field goal to win the game.
Under “normal” circumstances, our kicker would have made the short field goal, and we would be celebrating Evan’s monster firs half, and Shaq’s emergence as a powerhouse sack artist.
But, alas, we are the Bucs…
September 23rd, 2019 at 2:51 pm
How come we don’t see more 2-minute-drill type plays called up for Jameis? He’s great at that. Plus, short passes over the middle and bootleg options? They go out of style? BA is supposed to be some second coming of almighty knowledgeable offense–well, were is it? I don’t blame BL. I blame his his boss. Also, who is the lamebrain ‘coaching’ special teams??
September 23rd, 2019 at 2:52 pm
‘where’-typo alert.
September 23rd, 2019 at 3:34 pm
Are you freakin’ crazy Joe? Did you not watch the Super Bowl when Seattle threw the pick to lose the game?!! It was the smart safe play. You have to make that kick, period. No need to risk it when you have basically an extra point range field goal to win the game. It didn’t go through the upright but that doesn’t mean it was the wrong call.
September 23rd, 2019 at 3:37 pm
Can someone tell me what JWs record is as a starter. I am a little taken back that a rookie in his first game outplayed a guy in his fifth year
September 23rd, 2019 at 3:39 pm
BTW….Jameis played a helluva game. He’s got to learn how to throw the ball away before he gets sacked. Too many times I’ve seen him hold it waaaaay too long but I’d rather see that than throw a pick.
September 23rd, 2019 at 3:41 pm
It was a giant gaping pu$$y move by not taking at least 1 shot. You go for the kill, you don’t play not to lose. And that’s exactly what we did. 2 weeks in a row now. I’m sick of it.
I don’t want to hear any more of this “no risk it no biscuit” BS.
BA is completely full of it. 2 weeks in a row going turtle-conservative.
I’d have more faith in Greg Schiano or Raheem Morris at this point.
September 23rd, 2019 at 3:42 pm
damn im getting moderated left and right over here