Mike Golic & Victor Cruz: Jameis Won’t Be A Buccaneer Next Year
September 12th, 2019
Tonight is the Bucs’ lone national television appearance of the season, barring a flexed game late in the year or a playoff appearance.
And that means, as Joe has referenced all day, lots of national attention.
It hasn’t been pretty.
The Bucs were a focus on ESPN Radio this morning on the Golic & Wingo show.
Former New York Giants receiver Victor Cruz and ex-NFL defensive lineman Mike Golic already believe Jameis Winston, America’s Quarterback, is playing out the final days of his Buccaneers career. What they saw Sunday in the season-opener was enough for them to reach a verdict, in what they deemed a critical statement game at home under a new regime and high expectations.
Cruz believes Bruce Arians is an exceptional quarterback coach, and he thinks Jameis looking like the Jameis of old Sunday was far too telling, even though he believes Jameis will show improvement and grow during the season.
“It’s one thing when you’re making the same mistakes is what kind of gets you in trouble in this league,” Cruz said. “If there’s something that can be coached and can be fixed, and you see improvement in that area, then that’s different. But if you’re making the same type of mistakes, the same type of bad decision-making with the football, that doesn’t help you individually as a player. And he’s gotten the benefit of the doubt over the years already, and now I think that’s starting to run its course.”
Strong point by Cruz that Jameis already gotten his share of the “benefit of the doubt.”
There’s not much rope left, Cruz believes, and that’s something Ira Kaufman, Tampa Bay’s only Hall of Fame voter, talked about today on on his podcast. (Listen here, presented by Bill Currie Ford.)
September 12th, 2019 at 3:09 pm
Jaboo is gonna show the World tonight.
Right Nut Huggers?
September 12th, 2019 at 3:10 pm
Be less boring.
September 12th, 2019 at 3:11 pm
Major overreactions to week one. Jameis will get better throughout the season as well our defense and running game next year will be a whole new ballgame. Buccaneers win tonight guaranteed! Is Jamison our quarterback next year? Who knows. But a win tonight for sure. Lock it down I’m giving you gold here.
September 12th, 2019 at 3:12 pm
Siri hates the name Jameis LOL she simply won’t do it
September 12th, 2019 at 3:12 pm
Be more realistic
September 12th, 2019 at 3:14 pm
I can not wait for the last Jameis Joebucsfan article.
September 12th, 2019 at 3:16 pm
Have any of these dopes complaining about Winston bothered to go back and watch any film? Did they see that stupid ginger Jensen totally blow up the pass to Dare by getting right in his running lane – thus Winston throws the ball to where Dare is supposed to be, and there’s no one there. Did they watch OJ deflect a ball he catches 99/100 times into the air for an INT? Did they watch Barber run out into the flat and turn inside when the ball was thrown outside?
No, these triggered idiots just yell about Winston and literally have no idea what in the hell they’re talking about. There’s a reason Arians came out in support for Winston and on Monday came out and said the same thing I said on Sunday, that even the 3rd INT wasn’t on Winston, the guy is supposed to be there and he’s not – and when you watch the coaches film you clearly see what happened.
You lazy slobs that just want the team to lose because you’re a boring troll – do me a favor and prove you hatred for Winston by eating a box of razor blades – and make sure you do it live on video. Then, and only then, will I believe that you’re serious and not just a troll.
The whole box…
September 12th, 2019 at 3:17 pm
GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!
Triggered?
September 12th, 2019 at 3:19 pm
The only fans watching tape of that sh!tshow by Jaboo are the Nut Huggers trying to blame anyone except their hero!
September 12th, 2019 at 3:20 pm
It’s not an overreaction to week 1, its a reasonable conclusion after 4 + years. JW may sprinkle in a decent/good game or 2 throughout the year but it’s definitely time to move on. Regardless of the coaching, he keeps making the same bonehead mistakes and the fans deserve some hope in bringing in a new QB without all the off field and on field baggage. Panthers 27 Bucs 13 and JW throws 2 more picks.
September 12th, 2019 at 3:22 pm
Yeah, DooshLaRue, knowing what actually happened is for girls – much better to be a fake outrage douchebag who literally doesn’t know what they’re talking about.
Thanks for clearing it up cupcake.
September 12th, 2019 at 3:27 pm
If things go really bad tonight we could see the debut of the future, Ryan Griffin. Sean Payton wanted him, Dirk wanted him and BA has had good words for him. Every story has a beginning and this could be it. Go out and prove everyone wrong Jameis.
September 12th, 2019 at 3:28 pm
Miss Cleo predicted that the Bucs will beat the Panthers 47-3 tonight.
When asked for a comment on that prediction Jameis Winston replied, “Whut?”.
September 12th, 2019 at 3:30 pm
Jameis would be a back up on any other team in the nfl, hell he would be minshews backup in Jacksonville right now
September 12th, 2019 at 3:30 pm
They may be right…time will tell. He has had every opportunity on and off the field. And is getting the best QB coaching available. If Jameis doesn’t become a quality starting QB after all this, he just doesn’t have it.
I understand some fans are living through him, as their college football team has greatly fallen. But this isn’t college football… if the only way you can support the Bucs is if they keep a failed QB, if he fails, because of some college loyalty, it would be better you stick with college football.
September 12th, 2019 at 3:32 pm
just like EJ Manuel and Christian Ponder, JW will be passed around once or twice and then fade out of the NFL…until he becomes a distant nightmare..
September 12th, 2019 at 3:33 pm
I have been a JW fan since college. I owned the 1st Winston Bucs Jersey ever worn inside Raymond James Stadium. But he’s had 57 games to get his feet wet. The game should be slowing down for him by now. It’s one thing if he’s not getting help (talking to you OJ Howard) but he’s STILL making Dilfer-like mistakes and decisions.
September 12th, 2019 at 3:36 pm
The human centipede mentality that are most of the poster here, who just regurgitate whatever they hear some dope on sports radio say, they’re just boring people. They are OUTRAGED by everything, yet when you ask them for any details they are OUTRAGED!!! How dare you question anything, how dare you not fall in line with the mob.
They never have anything interesting to say, they can’t explain anything, they’re just dullards, and the very definition of what someone is like when they’re triggered.
September 12th, 2019 at 3:37 pm
GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!
September 12th, 2019 at 3:41 pm
Rod- C’mon man! Jameis did not play well. Sure, neither did OJ, or Barber or….but man, there’s no way that you can say he did not have a bad game. Now, I won’t go to quite the lengths of others because I do believe that he’s the best QB on the roster. However, he needs to start stringing together a couple of really good games to wash the bad taste out or he will be gone. We lost that game on Sunday because of the offense, and we’re lucky it wasn’t worse.
Go Bucs! Please make Gerald cry!
September 12th, 2019 at 3:41 pm
Rod ..Having a crush on Winston is not a good enough excuse for his performance ,Cupcake
September 12th, 2019 at 3:42 pm
21-34
The ” Best ” QB in Buccaneers history is not even on track to make the Ring of Honor at Ray Jay.
As long as Winston is a buc the bucs will be spinning their wheels.
September 12th, 2019 at 3:43 pm
Hopefully they are right getting bounced from a irrelevant small market franchise is a blessing not a negative. Any player who escapes the black hole that is Tampa bay Buccaneers football is lucky…. you dumbasses act like playing for the worst professional sports franchise on planet earth is a good thing.. so clueless…. a cancer diagnosis is less traumatic than realizing you have to play for Tampa bay Buccaneers
September 12th, 2019 at 3:43 pm
🛑🛑🛑 AND TO ANYONE CALLING FOR RYAN GRIFFIN🛑🛑🛑
Griffin couldn’t even move one slot up the depth chart to become the backup. The Bucs has to go sign Gabbert. So don’t give me this “he’s the future” when he wasn’t even good enough to be QB2.
I bet these same people called for Josh Johnson to start too.
September 12th, 2019 at 3:44 pm
If Evans was smart he’d go all AB and get out too…
September 12th, 2019 at 3:48 pm
Rod Munch
You’re back! Long time no see…
That’s a neat thing getting all triggered and regurgitating lame excuses for JW, while lamenting people who get triggered and regurgitate…
Welcome back!
September 12th, 2019 at 3:49 pm
While I can’t say for certain what will happen to Jameis and I hope he plays better tonight, I can say one thing with certainty, Rod Munch is a giant douche.
I can only guess that ‘Tiny Rod’ Munch posts here because no on IRL can actually stand the guy.
September 12th, 2019 at 3:52 pm
Bucsfanman – What Arians said wasn’t fluff, if you watch the plays again, ideally with the coaches film, you see what happened on those plays. Winston did not play well, but it wasn’t anything close to the disaster that people are pretending it was.
If you have NFL Gamepass, just go watch the the last INT, watch Dare first, then watch it again and watch Jensen, what you see is Jensen comes out, looks for a man to block, turns and basically/nearly knows Dare down. Dare is running to where the ball is going on a middle screen. Then watch Winston, he’s throwing to where Dare was going. The ball doesn’t even appear to be high or anything – there’s just no one there because Jensen blocked the receiver. If you watch the play it’s really obvious what happened – and it’s why Arians came out the next day after watching the film and said Winston did what he was supposed to on that play.
If you don’t have gamepass you can still sort of see it on the TV broadcast, Jensen’s role isn’t as obvious as it looks more like Dare is just hung up with a defender, but from the wider camera you can see it a lot better.
Again, any real fans who want to actually know what they’re talking about and not be part of the boring outrage mobs, just rewatch some key plays, try to figure out what is happening and where guys should be – then you can talk all you want. I don’t care if someone disagrees with me, but they should be able to say more than the same bumper sticker talk they always bore people with.
As for the first INT, that’s off OJ’s hands. Was it high? Yes. Is it always high when throwing to 6′ 6″ OJ? Yes. Does OJ always make that catch? like 99% of the time he does.
Finally on the 2nd INT, the one to Barber, that one I was unsure about because we don’t know for sure where the play was going – but Arians came out and said Winston threw the ball where it was supposed to go and Barber cut the play inside.
In the NFL you’re throwing the ball a lot of times to where guys are supposed to be – and on two of the INTs that’s what Winston did, and the guys weren’t there. That’s no on the QB if other guys aren’t doing their jobs, or if the dumb center is nearly knocking down your RB as he runs to a spot.
September 12th, 2019 at 3:52 pm
Jmarkbuc – I don’t know who you are.
September 12th, 2019 at 3:54 pm
National media parrots want Jameis gone. Real fans understand Jameis is going to play the whole season before any decisions are made. HOF numbers other than the turnovers….
September 12th, 2019 at 3:55 pm
Did somebody up there actually try to make a excuse for that last pick 6? You need to get with reality dude.
September 12th, 2019 at 3:57 pm
I will be rocking my Jameis jersey tonight, and pulling for the Bucs and our QB! I will critique the game objectively, and am looking for Winston to demonstrate:
1. Ball placement: with the ability to hit guys in stride in good spots so they can get YAC- not turning back for errant throws.
2. Hit the deep ball- no deep ball, then the run gets stack against and everything is harder. We need to make the respect the whole field.
3. The time to get rid of the ball- Jameis was a tick below 3 seconds to get rid of the ball last week (3rd slowest in QB), Goff was 2.47 seconds. Almost a half a second longer could lead to more pressure
Most of all, I am excited to see the truth. I expect to see more of the same from last week and will be pleasantly surprised if we do great!
September 12th, 2019 at 3:58 pm
Uh huh and last year Greenberg, Jalen Rose and Dan orlovski all said Winston wouldn’t be here in 2019. Only the real football guy Rex Ryan said Winston would be starting in 2019. Opinions after 1 game mean nothing. Another nothing burger 🍔
September 12th, 2019 at 3:59 pm
The guy threw the ball up for grabs dude. And he has done it dozens of times in his career.
We have all saw a screen play get broken up before and we have all seen pro QBs throw the ball in the dirt when that happens. Stop insulting our intelligence with your poor excuse of film breakdown. It’s literally embarrassing.
September 12th, 2019 at 4:00 pm
JimmyJack – Read what I wrote there, then go watch the highlight of the play again. Even from the TV angle you can mostly see what is happening – although it looks more like a the San Fran d-line causes Dare to get caught up, when from the coaches angle it’s literally Jensen just standing there that blows it up.
Watch Jensen, watch Dare, then watch Winston and where the ball was going.
You’re generally reasonable – just go to the NFL site, to the box score, it’s one of the highlights listed – watch it a few times noting what I said above then get back to me and let me know if I’m wrong or not.
September 12th, 2019 at 4:01 pm
After what we’ve seen from him in 57 games how can anyone believe he’s the answer?
September 12th, 2019 at 4:02 pm
The freaking excuses are annoying and nauseating at this point. They were cute the last four years but aren’t funny no more.
The rest of the fanbase is going to start holding this guy to the standards of a professional QB. Do us a favor and spare us your low standard propaganda.
September 12th, 2019 at 4:02 pm
Being buc legend is equal to or below high school still telling stories about a meaningless play made decades ago. Run jameis being a buc is a disgrace not an honor
September 12th, 2019 at 4:03 pm
If Ryan Griffin sucks so bad, then why is he still on this team?
September 12th, 2019 at 4:04 pm
Rod Munch have your opinion but know that the rest of the world saw it and disagrees. I freaking watched the play dude and I reminded it several times. Winston had no business throwing that ball is nto the air like that.
You can see what you wanna see but you little film breakdown sucks bro. Also your wrong.
September 12th, 2019 at 4:05 pm
JimmyJack – Arians came out the next day and said the pass was where it was supposed to be, that after watching the film Winston did what he was supposed to do. It wasn’t overthrown, he was throwing to a spot and Dare was running there and Jensen blew up the play. If you have the coaches film and watch in slow mo it’s clear as day, Jensen runs out, stands there, turns back inside right into where Dare is running. Winston meanwhile throws it right where Dare was running to – the play got blown up by Jensen as Winston is releasing the ball – it was not an obvious blown up play.
Again, just go watch it a few times based off what I’m saying, off what Arians said, then get back to me. I’m interested to hear what you have to say if you do that.
September 12th, 2019 at 4:06 pm
Can’t argue with that. All you can really do is let the year play and hope week was becomes a fluke compared to the rest of the season.
September 12th, 2019 at 4:08 pm
Dude they didn’t execute the screen. That crap happens.
Screens get busted up all the time in the NFL. And every time it happens pro QB throw it into the dirt. He had no business throwing that ball and frankly it’s embarrassing you don’t understand that simple concept.
September 12th, 2019 at 4:09 pm
Rod munch are you really being serious about this. What game were you watching and have you been watching for the last 4 seasons. Jameis is not a good qb. He can’t throw deep his timing is out of sink every ball is high and hot. Go rewatch the game and see he is always a second or two late on a throw giving defenders a chance to make up ground. Just simple outs like to barber are just out of sync. And on the barber route if he was supposed to be 3 yards shorter on the route that pass would have been over his head anyways. How many times a game do we have to watch an instant replay of an underneath guy running wide open for a first down and Jameis doesn’t see him after having plenty of time in the pocket. Only to force a ball downfield into double coverage that almost or does get picked. He doesn’t see the field well He is horrible with timing and anticipation throws. Do you notice every catch is contested and immediate tackled. He doesn’t know how to throw guys open. This is stuff you can say about a first year qb. But not a qb with 4 plus years experience and a lot of starts under his belt. And I will leave you with a question can you count on hand in his 50 plus starts the times he has hit a guy running 30 yards plus down field in stride. Never
September 12th, 2019 at 4:12 pm
It’s not clear as day and you are wrong. So I guess in your mind you always thow every screen to the spot and the QB is not responsible for reading the play that’s right in front of him.
These excuse are getting under my skin. GRRRRRRrRRRRRRRRRrRT
September 12th, 2019 at 4:13 pm
Rod Munch
Apparently I’m just one of the centipedes….
And Jimmy Jack is right…
September 12th, 2019 at 4:13 pm
Yeah, he probably won’t.
September 12th, 2019 at 4:14 pm
JimmyJack – If you’re going to actually hear what happened, not just from me but from Arians, and not watch it understanding what was happening, then you’re just part of the boring lynch mob crowd that literally doesn’t know what they’re talking about.
September 12th, 2019 at 4:15 pm
And again I watched the play dude. And I watched it several times. Winston just threw the ball up into the air. It was a dumbass decision and there was not receiver anywhere near it. Winston didn’t read the play and he didn’t do his job. He just threw the ball up into the air.
Your film study is absoltute trash on this on bro.
September 12th, 2019 at 4:17 pm
They are correct. Top 2 pick should land a new QB.
September 12th, 2019 at 4:18 pm
Did you guys know that Jameis Winston although he will not be here next year will hold every single buccaneers record as a qb including TDs Yards, and W’s eaten?
#funfacts
THE GREATEST QUARTER BACK IN THE HISTORY OF THE BUCCANEERS AND AMERICAS QUARTERBACK!!!!!!!!
He’ll throw 1 pick today and lose by 54 points and it will all be his fault.
September 12th, 2019 at 4:18 pm
Don’t freaking tell me I don’t know what I’m talking about. You don’t even understand how screen plays operate. In your mind it’s OK for the QB to throw it to a spot reguardless of how the play unfolds.
You can pretend that other QBs don’t throw that one I to the dirt but I’ve seen it thousands of times. You’re freaking dead worng dude. You don’t know how to study film and yore basically clueless on this play.
September 12th, 2019 at 4:20 pm
Andrew Luck in 2020?
September 12th, 2019 at 4:20 pm
DB……Winston won more games then any other QB in Buc history? Dang, I didn’t know that one. Kinda sad really. Don’t even think he hit 30.
September 12th, 2019 at 4:21 pm
Jeffbuc – I’m fine with, and enjoy, having conversations with people who are just boring dullards who say the same thing and have nothing to back it up. So I appreciate the effort you’re putting into your thought here.
Lets go to the Barber play. I’m not sure where you get the idea I said he should pull up 3 yards short, what I thought at the time was he turned inside and was supposed to turn outside. Watching it again on the All22, he doesn’t turn inside as much as he just sort of stops and turns, while the ball is thrown outside. On Sunday I didn’t know if him or Winston was in the wrong, but Arians came out and said that Barber wasn’t in the right place, he was supposed to be outside and ran the route wrong. That’s from the coach – not me. I don’t know the route that was being ran, but it looked like they were not on the same page on that route.
Again, I don’t think he had a good game, but he didn’t have some all-time bad game where people are saying he needs to be benched. It’s the first game in a new offense, and it’s new for everyone on the field. They’re playing a defense that is expected to be very good. What I said on Sunday, and I’ve always said, is lets see where we are 6 weeks from now.
In any case I at least appreciate a valid attempt at having a conversation and not just the same old bumper sticking boring as hell stuff we always get.
September 12th, 2019 at 4:21 pm
Actually they made I contact. Rb was releasing to his spot. Ball in air. Jensen gets in the way. Rb gets blocked ball gets picked. Not to mention defenders hit him once the ball was released. Seen the play 5x in slow mo.
September 12th, 2019 at 4:23 pm
No no no. He’s eaten more W’s than any player in nfl history. Not won games but actually made a W with his hands and ate it.
Often imitated never duplicated
September 12th, 2019 at 4:23 pm
Anonymous sources report that should the Bucs not re-sign JW, he will find a job in Hollywood.
It’ll be a drama-comedy tentatively titled, “Fresh Prince of Ball-in-the-air”.
Should be a huge hit.
September 12th, 2019 at 4:24 pm
Jmarkbuc
Dude. Rod munch thinks you are a nobody
Just so you know , he is a somebody
Super smart guy
So knowledgeable
He never loses a debate
He spews amazingness
When he tells you to get Ebola or jump off a bridge or eat razor blades , you should be worried. He is a tough guy in front of his computer .
😂 Good bet he has never played a sport in his life . He plays madden and thinks he knows football now.
September 12th, 2019 at 4:25 pm
He would actually need a team around him to win games, don’t be silly.
September 12th, 2019 at 4:25 pm
Hey JJ
Don’t sweat him, he’s clearly mental. Anybody who can’t see the forest for the trees, and swears it must be true because BA said so, can’t be reasoned with.
DB55
So JW is the greatest QB in the hallowed, vaunted arsenal of Buc QB’s…are you trying to make the point that he blows?
September 12th, 2019 at 4:26 pm
Nope trying to make a point that the buccaneers as a team organization and fandom blows big sweaty balls.
#provemewrong
September 12th, 2019 at 4:27 pm
JimmyJack – Yes JJ, you don’t know what you’re talking about on that play because the play wasn’t blown up when Winston is getting rid of the ball. It’s dummy Jensen that blows up the play. There’s a reason Arians came out and said Winston did what he should do there. On the coaches film/all22, it’s clear as day. It’s a middle pass/middle screen, Winston is backing up, backing up, backing up, just like you should do on any screen play, Dare run up, then does his cut outside, Winston releases the ball then – meanwhile Jensen is outside looking for someone to block, he turns at that point inside and literally almost knocks Dare down. The ball is already out. There’s no reason to believe when he releases the ball that the play is blown up. It was not a bad pass or a bad read, Dare didn’t get to where the ball was because his own offensive lineman blocked him from getting there.
That’s what happened on that play. Again, go back, with what I’m saying, have an open mind, even if all you have is the TV view, watch Jensen only, then watch Dare only, then watch Winston, pause it when he’s releasing the ball, watch where the ball is going. Arians saw the same thing I saw which is why he came out the next day and said he was wrong to criticize Winston for that play on Sunday.
September 12th, 2019 at 4:29 pm
Well Bird I know who you are, you’re one for the world class boring dullards. But I don’t think I’ve ever heard of your buddy there, yet he’s talking to me like I should know who he is.
September 12th, 2019 at 4:30 pm
Doug Williams…greatest QB in Bucs history.
September 12th, 2019 at 4:32 pm
DB55
There is no doubt, this organization sucks. JW does a fine job of doing his part of that.
How do you think the fan base of said sucky organization is gonna react?
September 12th, 2019 at 4:34 pm
Bird
Been reading his insanity for along time, like everyone else.
Fortunately, Blind JW supporters will have to follow JW elsewhere, very soon.
September 12th, 2019 at 4:39 pm
Well Jmark…if Jameis disappears and they get bored because he is riding the bench somewhere, they always have that college football juggernaut, FSU, to fall back on…right…. They just need to move their heavy drinking up to Saturday. Actually, I hope the guy gets it together…but I wouldn’t bet on it.
September 12th, 2019 at 4:39 pm
,Bro you are deranged. Dare was never anywhere close to being open on that play. The spot Winston threw it too had entirely no chance of being completed by any Tampa receiver. He threw it into coverage cause Dare was bottled up on that play.
Now you go back and watch it and you will clearly see that Dare never had a chance to get to the spot that ball was thrown. Because he can’t run through people.
And stop insulting everybody here with you garbage film study of that play.
September 12th, 2019 at 4:41 pm
YAY!!! I hope they’re right!!!
September 12th, 2019 at 4:42 pm
If Jameis is gone after this year then Licht has got to go too. At this rate he’s gotten just as many chances as Jameis with only slightly more to show for it. If grandpappy Arians doesn’t like it, then he can go too.
September 12th, 2019 at 4:46 pm
And just for you I reminded that play one last time. It was broken up before he threw the ball. Dare never had a chance to get into the open field unless you think he can run through human beings.
Sure maybe he ran it wrong. That’s not the point. The point is Winston needs to see the play unfold and if it aren’t there throw away. But in your deranged mind he is not responsible to read the play. He can just throw it up into the air and if it’s not completed blame somebody else.
Like I said before that I’ve seen thousands of screens and pro QBs throw the ball away if it’s not their. This is 100% fact. You are not with reality Bro & you are insulting everybody intelligence. Now I’m tilted GRRRRRR
September 12th, 2019 at 4:48 pm
BZ..you can send Licht packing…but in any case Arians will be making the picks…as Lovie made the pick of Jameis. Licht was hired after Lovie, and he was retained because Arians took the job. They were/ are the decision makers.
September 12th, 2019 at 4:51 pm
I’m a little surprised that after 70+ comments no one had the gall to say, “bUT HEs stILL yOUng!!!”
September 12th, 2019 at 4:52 pm
I sure hope that the Bucs’ mascot keeps his job after all is said and done.
He’s an unsung, unseen hero. But flails his arms like Beto O’Rodriguez. Must be the costume.
September 12th, 2019 at 4:57 pm
D-Rome- He’s only 25! 🙂
September 12th, 2019 at 4:58 pm
Is it too early to get drunk?
September 12th, 2019 at 5:00 pm
Buczilla how does Licht “have more to show” than Jameis during his time here??
Licht’s record currently stands at 27-54, two losses greater than Great Gazoo Mark Dominik. Licht has the single worst record of any Bucs executive since the start of unrestricted free agency in the early 90’s. He’s been trash at literally every aspect of being a GM beyond kissing up to journalists and conning ownership.
As bad as Winston has been at times (both on and off the field) he has, at least, put up some numbers and gone to one Pro Bowl. Not that anyone should be celebrating him at this point, but that’s exactly one more accolade than Licht will ever earn at his current position. So I’m just curious how you see Licht as having shown “more” than Winston.
September 12th, 2019 at 5:16 pm
This has gotta be the dumbest fanbase in all of football…
September 12th, 2019 at 5:16 pm
The Bucs will draft a QB in 2020 regardless of how Winston plays. The class is simply too good not to. If Winston plays well they can wait for the 2nd round and groom him. If Winston plays poorly they pull the trigger at the top of the draft and he starts as a rook.
September 12th, 2019 at 5:18 pm
Maybe…we should get Lois Laine’ s opinion…
September 12th, 2019 at 5:20 pm
@Rayjay…h3ll no killa. Tip ’em back
September 12th, 2019 at 5:30 pm
Jmark
I just like to call most of ya stupid. It makes me happy.
September 12th, 2019 at 5:35 pm
I’m just here to skip Rod Munch’s comments .
September 12th, 2019 at 5:37 pm
Rod-
Just watched that ish in slow mo like 10x and you’re right bro.
Dude would’ve caught it had he not been impeded by SF #57 who was being blocked or chased by Jensen.
If Dare was not impeded by #57 he would’ve caught it. At the time when it was thrown he was not impeded. So from Jameis perspective (with most of his vision blocked from the two defenders about to sack him) Dare was making his cut, so he passed it to where he would’ve been.
My question is with the ball in the air, how was it ok for #57 to completely take the RB out of the play and it not be PI?
September 12th, 2019 at 5:39 pm
unbelievable Says:
September 12th, 2019 at 5:16 pm
This has gotta be the dumbest fanbase in all of football
Any fan of this franchise including myself has to be freaking stupid to accept, tolerate and make excuses for this pis poor franchise ran by incompetent apathetic owners and the on field results for the better part of 40 years…. you morons call 500 football with no chance in the postseason glory years. That is beyond stupid. The buc fan base is equally as embarrassing as they on field product.
September 12th, 2019 at 5:47 pm
@ROD MUNCH
THAT 3rd int wasn’t on Winston? Lmao hahahahaha man you are more stupid than I thought.
Ok so you say someone was supposed to be there and Winston threw to that spot.
Hey dumba ss he has two eyes. Nowhere in the QB handbook will it ever say throw to that spot on a screen play whether the rb is there or not. Just throw to that spot.
That’s absolutely absurd and shows how you can’t accept the truth.
Winston has eyes. Yes he’s supposed to throw to that spot. BUT NOT IF NOONE IS THERE IDIOT. YOU THROW IT IN THE DIRT LIKE EVERY OTHER QB WOULD DO.
You are too stupid. Do you need a manual on breathing?
If the rb is getting mugged or held up and the timing is off YOU DONT THROW TO THAT SPOT.
I can’t believe you say that 3rd int is someone else’s fault. Man you are some kind of stupid.
September 12th, 2019 at 5:49 pm
Let’s give Rod a break , he obviously needs a week or two off.
September 12th, 2019 at 5:50 pm
@alaskan
Oh please you’re just making another poor attempt at an excuse.
Pathetic.
Winston threw it up for grabs like he’s done numerous times.
You morons have literally blamed every int he’s ever thrown on someone else.
Most turnovers by any QB since he’s been in the league. Can’t dispute it.
It’s a fact. And no amount of excuses will change that.
At least one tonight.
You people are truly pathetic. If Winston went to UF you morons would be killing him.
Y’all are about as smart as a wet paper bag full of sh it
September 12th, 2019 at 5:52 pm
@Rod Munch,
Sorry, but you’re an IDIOT, dude.
The video clearly shows LB #57 of the 49ers realizing it’s a screen and he sheds the block from Jensen by moving to the left and jamming Dare on purpose.
Either way, Winston’s responsibility is to make sure his RB is releasing before throwing. Defenses read screens and jam RBs all the time.
To say that last INT was not Winston’s fault makes you either:
A) Someone that doesn’t understand football.
B) A Jameis-Homer that will defend him at all costs.
C) All of the above.
September 12th, 2019 at 6:03 pm
Jameis will throw for 180 1 TD and have combined 4 turnovers just watxh
September 12th, 2019 at 6:05 pm
@bucsbandit
The answer is C.
Rod will always blame someone else. In his eyes Winston has never done anything wrong.
If Winston fumbles while rolling out because a defender swatted it out of his hands he will say the grass wasn’t mowed low enough so Winston couldn’t run as fast as normal. It’ll be the grounds keepers fault.
Complete and utter idiot that literally thinks HES the smartest person in the room when everyone knows he’s the dumbest but they just let him believe it out of feeling sorry for him.
September 12th, 2019 at 6:07 pm
Figures
ORRRR…
I used my eyes and just wrote what i saw.
Didnt go to FSU or even care about FSU.
Pony up the 100 bucks for Gamepass so maybe you wont be so ill-informed. Then we can talk.
September 12th, 2019 at 6:07 pm
Arians is protecting winston. He’s been doing it the day he arrived. Quoting him in order to protect winston is ridiculous.
Here’s the fact, players on 31 other teams run into the same mistakes the bucs did on those plays. Yet our guy is the 1 gut of 32 that had 2 pick sixes and another pick.
Hummmmmm is the brain working to get some perspective. .
September 12th, 2019 at 6:09 pm
Munch, why do you think Arians sticks up for Jay Miss? Maybe because he’s the most mentally fragile QB on the planet and could not handle any competition at his position.
September 12th, 2019 at 6:09 pm
National attention, The nation is going to be watching Re-Runs of the Rifleman
September 12th, 2019 at 6:11 pm
BucsBandit Says: Please stop sugar-coating your arguments.
September 12th, 2019 at 6:12 pm
guy.
Oh and if it’s the first time he did this no problem..or the 5 let’s say the 6th.
Nope, that’s not our guy. He’s the best/worst in the entire NFL.
“But, but Arians says………….”
September 12th, 2019 at 6:12 pm
@alaskan
Hahahaha I don’t need to spend a 100 dollars to see the obvious.
I saw it live. And literally everyone except you Ndog rod munch and Db55
Agree with me. So what’s that tell you?
Everyone is wrong except you 4?
Hahahahaha ha I don’t think so.
5th year no contract and it being said that BA needs to “fix” Winston.
If he’s so great why does he need to be “fixed”? Ever wonder that?
No you’re all too stupid.
It’s someone else’s fault right?
Dude is a turnover machine and everyone knows it.
But I do hope “good” Jameis shows up tonight but I’m not holding my breath.
September 12th, 2019 at 6:14 pm
Let’s hope for the sake of the Bucs and the fan base that these guys are correct.
The Bucs will never be a regular playoff contending team with Winston as their QB.
Sad, but true.
September 12th, 2019 at 6:16 pm
Tonight Winston needs to bounce back and put this freaking circus to rest.
If for no reason then to reward his faithful fans. They deserve it.
September 12th, 2019 at 6:17 pm
Figures
I guess ignorance is bliss. Have fun with that.
September 12th, 2019 at 6:22 pm
Still rooting for Winston and the team to rebound.
September 12th, 2019 at 6:28 pm
Jameis has won 9 games in a season before but he will never make the playoffs? hmmm…
You try to hold this kid to an impossible standard because of where he was drafted.
He is still young and going to learn and get more experienced. You do realize QB is the position that gets BETTER with age right?
So since he was a first overall pick he must go to a super bowl on his rookie contract right? so since when did anomalies become the standard?
Let’s see when the all time greats made their FIRST Super Bowls:
Steve Young- 33
Favre- 27
Warner- 28
Brady- 24
B. Johnson- 34
McNabb- 28
Big Ben- 23
Doug Williams- 32
Jim Kelly- 30
Brees- 31
Rodgers- 27
Flacco- 28
Ryan- 31
Wilson- 25
Foles- 29
Goff- 24
Average age of these Quarterbacks- 28.5
BTW all of those QBs had legit TEAMS
Jameis is 25 and you think he wont be getting better? Question is, if he doesn’t make it here, will he get another opportunity elsewhere.
I think in typical Bucs fashion we let him go this year and it clicks for him. He is just going to be the next QB on the list that the team and it’s fans ran out of town.
September 12th, 2019 at 6:37 pm
A Snow… with that logic imagine how good Mahomes is gonna be !
September 12th, 2019 at 6:54 pm
Hey Alaskan…..News Flash….The Tooth Fairy, Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny are not real.
Jay Miss is not a good Quarterback and never will be, whether in Tampa or somewhere else. And, to answer your next question – no, he will not get another opportunity as a starting QB in this league. However, he looks good in a cap holding a clipboard, which is his destiny.
September 12th, 2019 at 6:54 pm
Good to have Hot Rod Munchkin back from Elf Erotica HQ in Bonzee’s Mom’s basement. Dullards and Dad jokes are just what the doctor ordered for this march towards a top 3 pick. GRRReat stuff!
September 12th, 2019 at 6:55 pm
RodMunch I get it you are a Fan and you want our QB to be a success, me too! But when you look at the “end” result of the last game it is another Loss, and not ine not two but three more picks two of which were Picksixes. If this were another QB say Glennon, Simms, Garcia, Griese, Johnson would you still think they did a good job and that it was other teammates who did not hold up their side of the gameplan? I understand that we ALL want our QB to be a successful QB who plays lights out game after game after game. Weather he has top notch Oline, Running game and RB’s, or gang of elite WR’s, or Defense. He plays above the rest. I for one have not seen this from Winston. A few great moments surrounded by way to many WTF not again moments. Did you watch the highlights of the Texans and the Saints game. Our current QB can not do what those two QB’S did in less than two minutes. He can’t even come close. I do not know why, and in year five of his NFL career I do not care. When Winston was drafted we all read over and over and over, “wait for it” waiting is over, produce or move aside. The only F’ing thing that matters is Wins! Not could should woulda gona get better.
Time to move forward. Not side to side, hoping for success in the future. Why should all of us Bucs fans be expected to wait anymore? Is not four years enough?
THE SHOW ME EVENT starts at 8:20pm. SHOW ME stop telling me your going to get better show me.
September 12th, 2019 at 6:59 pm
I think it’s gonna be a fun game
go Bucs
September 12th, 2019 at 7:00 pm
Alaskan don’t forget John Elway who was old as dirt when he finally won a ring.
But there is a big ol difference here with Winston and most of them other QBs. Winston has not won football games. All well and good when we had a last place defense last year but that is not going to be the case anymore.
It’s time for this kid to grow up and start winning football games. He literally held us back from winning last week and that ain’t going to cut it. He can start tonight where he hasn’t won a road game in three year or something.
And these are not kneejerk reactions over one game. A lot of fans like myself have been patient for half a decade with Winston. He has a defense he has a running game and he even has the greatest collection of QB coaches at his disposal. It’s only fair that we finally see results.
Excuses may not be over for a few but they are over for most of this fanbase. It’s time to start holding our QB to the standards of a pro QB. Right now it’s a flaming F. Improvement is mandatory.
September 12th, 2019 at 7:03 pm
Alaskan,
Good points. But being the #1 pick comes with huge expectations. Why, because it comes with huge financial rewards. It’s a salary cap Era and sometimes performance is out weighted by financial considerations. Career wise when winston was under a rookie contract his performance could be accepted. But with a huge deal looming the question is about performance.
Quite simply, zero debate, Winston isn’t worth the investment.
Fear that a player gets better is sound reasoning. Josh Freeman was the last guy fans were absolutely positively sure that He would get out of Tampa and on his way to canton collect a few chips. I’m guessing the freemanites, converted to winstonites and most likely winston will be a backup then a stat.
But buc fans will still be going on about young or Doug. ..Hope I’m wrong and winston wakes up feeling Mahomesish.
September 12th, 2019 at 7:10 pm
RustyRhino That’s just it……I don’t care why either. I’m done aksing why and trying to figure out what needs to get better to help Jamies. It’s simply time for results. If it’s not about results then what the hell are we doing?
September 12th, 2019 at 7:10 pm
On another note…
I think I’m more concerned with what McAffery is going to do to our young impressionable defense.
Already have a good idea what JW is gonna do.
September 12th, 2019 at 7:11 pm
As long as he doesn’t run another Chinese fire drill through our D like he did last year…l
September 12th, 2019 at 7:16 pm
Jmark…..I’m confident MacCaffery won’t be able to run between the tackles on us.This is where I gotta look to see Devin White show up tonight with that all world speed and close off the perimeter. That’s going to be a key to victory for us in mine opinion.
September 12th, 2019 at 7:29 pm
JJ
Here’s to Devin White!!
September 12th, 2019 at 7:42 pm
Wow…amazing to hear the number of guys on the pre-game show predicting Jameis will not be in Tampa next year.
Jameis…this is the chance to prove them all wrong. No more street ball…play like a franchise QB…and keep doing it week in and week out. And shut the mouth of the detractors… or…slink off to the baseball diamond. Your choice.
September 12th, 2019 at 7:56 pm
Our defense is going to have to wrap up MacCaffery and finish tackles or he will run wild. Also, even though he is dinged up, they better account for Olsen.
As far as the offense…..pfffft. Feed Rojo and keep the game out of Winston’s hands.
September 12th, 2019 at 7:57 pm
I think there is just too much working against JW right now. It is a shame, because he has great leadership skills, works harder than anybody, and has a great arm & toughness. His decision-making and slow release are just not NFL material, and those two factors alone are what separate the great ones like Rodgers, Brady, Brees, etc. from all the rest–I guess that makes Winston the exact opposite of those guys.
September 12th, 2019 at 8:02 pm
What’s Winston’s Winn loss record
September 12th, 2019 at 8:06 pm
Figures and Limpchimpi, thanks for the laughs. Great stuff! I’m probably gonna be real depressed here in a few minutes. I will go back and read about needing a manual for breathing and elf erotica HQ in Bonzees Mom’s basement when the first INT is thrown. Most places you have to pay for this kind of comedy.
Say what you want about the Bucs fan base, but we are a resilient bunch and find ways to deal with decades of mind boggling ineptitude.
September 12th, 2019 at 8:11 pm
Ok time to put on the Game Face!! As mad as I was at Winston last week it is time for him to man up.
His back is now against the ropes and he gotta fight his way out. The pressure in on him big time and that’s a great thing! Pressure will bring out either the best or worst from a player. It separates the men from boys. If nothing else it does make the game more entertaining. Proove us your worth Jamies.
GOO BUCS!!!!
September 12th, 2019 at 8:15 pm
Wow, Golic and Cruz are really putting themselves out there with that “crazy” prediction. Next, they’ll want props for predicting the sun to rise tomorrow morning.
September 12th, 2019 at 8:25 pm
BucsBandit – You’re literally wrong, Jensen runs out, turns around, nearly flattens Dare. Again, TV angle, vs ALL22 – I’m not going to hate on people that don’t have gamepass, no big deal, I don’t expect people to have it, but the play is really easy to see from the wide view. The LB does see screen, but that’s where Dare is cutting inside, it’s Jensen that is just a big turd that blows it up.
September 12th, 2019 at 9:46 pm
Man Jamies is scared to throw the ball now !!! That’s why he is going to struggle. He is done in Tampa he has to go back being his self. If not throw in the towel and just quick!!! No one have your back so if I were him I will leave it all on the field.
September 12th, 2019 at 9:47 pm
Davis sucks!!!
September 12th, 2019 at 10:38 pm
It’s time to run RoJo now. What are they doing??? Man defense can’t stay on the field!!!!