Extra Time Meets Hapless Defense
September 21st, 2019
Joe learned a lot about Sunday’s Bucs opponent listening to loads of sports radio in New York this week.
And it should have Byron Leftwich and Bruce Arians salivating like Joe in front of a plate of Abe’s Place always-fresh deliciousness.
The consensus is that the Giants defense is awful. Dreadful. In fact, Giants head coach Pat Shurmur put up scant resistance when that was directly expressed to him on live radio during his last visit to WFAN-AM host Mike Francesca. A handful of days later, the Giants cancelled Shurmur’s weekly appearance on the show.
Through two games, the Giants have allowed opponents to convert 48 percent of their third-down opportunities. They’ve been carved up through the air and haven’t forced a turnover.
Now they travel to Tampa where Leftwich, Arians and their army of offensive minds have had three extra days to prepare to unleash O.J. Howard, Cameron Brate, Chris Godwin and Mike Evans — all healthy — on a defense with many holes and one that likes to blitz often. Yes, the stats gurus will tell you in a hurry that America’s Quarterback, Jameis Winston, has been a very good quarterback when he’s blitzed.
This morning, Joe watched the recent Giants-Bills game and had a hard time imagining why the Bucs wouldn’t be able score 28 points Sunday. Joe doesn’t want to hear any excuses; this is a veteran Bucs offense on its home turf.
Like nearly every head coach known to man, Arians likes to say the turnover battle determines the game’s outcome. It’s certainly not always true, but Joe believes this game absolutely will be one of those games.
Protecting the football and seasoned playcalling should be a combination good enough for the Bucs to emerge 2-1.
September 21st, 2019 at 1:20 pm
Don’t take the bait… keep running the ball, play solid D and no turnovers, Jameis. – that’s the winning formula.
September 21st, 2019 at 1:25 pm
This reads like Steve-Joe. Either way, miss him on the podcasts and hope everything is ok.
September 21st, 2019 at 1:25 pm
The first two quarters of this game will probably be gay! (Matt Gay)
The second half should be less gay as the offense starts to come alive, In part due a penetrating run game. Bucs eventually go on to win this one in a snooze fest.
September 21st, 2019 at 1:36 pm
If there is truly a new mind set due the coaching staff this is the game we better see it. There’s still that nagging thought in the the back of my mind that this is exactly the kind of game we would lose in the past.
September 21st, 2019 at 1:40 pm
*Picture above*
“Dont ever throw to OJ Howard”
Byron Leftwich
“We dont do Tightends”
Bruce Arians
“How about Cam Brate”
JW3
September 21st, 2019 at 1:45 pm
Oh, we do tight ends. Every chance we get.
September 21st, 2019 at 1:45 pm
O-line: rotten
>> will lead to bad rushing game (especially short yardage)
>> will lead to Jameis being in much more pressure
>> will hurt the Passing Game
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WR/TE
only realy good ones that are not so easy to replace:
Godwin, OJ Howard, Mike Evans
rest is (easy) replaceable
only one injury away from being less than average = WR/TE corps..
no good depth..
so Offense isn’t in very good shape (=SuperBowl Contender Talent)
don’t get me started with the Defense..
just let me tell you, that besides the QB – the two Lines define a teams backbone..
the O line is rotten (Dotson is lacking and old, even if some dump people are still talking him up, as if he is an good RT – don’t give me sh.. it about some gradings by some sites – he’s simply just not good – lacks strengh, gets overmauled way too often in run and pass game..)
RG: is it possible to get worse?
Marpet: i’m good with him
Center: pffff, meeeh @ 10 Mio per year ?!
LT D.Smith = Dotson , maybe average, easy replaceable, could have had drafted many many better players instead of Smith back then, and time and time again
but Suckaneers suck @ drafting.. and @ evaluating talent..
so they even decided to throw alot of money @ Donovan Smith
and thats one of the reasons why Buccaneers are in Cap Hell, even though they got sh.. itty Talented Roster..
MLB’s have lower value, which means you can easily get an capable MLB per Draft or FreeAgency, while pass rushers come at premium cost (FreeAgency or generall high draft pick)
this year – many great D-liner were available (Clemson guys, and EdOliver the DT the Suckaneers weren’t drafting, will be one heck of a player barring injurys..)
and a good DT makes whole defense better (against the run and pass), thats why they have more value then MLB’s and this guy was a freaking sure shot of top talent, while our new MLB may have great Potential, and looks to be a okay or good player, the DT had more value >>> better prospect (pretty much best player available) and we only have/had VitaVea and McCoy as good DT’s..
as all teams tend rotate a lot, you can be very happy to have 3 very good ones.. especially since injurys happen all the time and MCoy is nearing the End of his career…
why is it that i can see it, but the guy getting lots of money to do it for are living is too stupid to realize all that?!
year after year i complain about things like:
getting rid of good players (Michael Bennett as Steve White always said he should have played more)
Matt Bryant (one of the best Kickers in the NFL)
and now some fans even want to cut McCoy
(when he should easily still be worth at least a 2nd round pick)
he is old but good – maybe not very good, thats debatetable, but he is way better than anything the Bucs have at DT besides VitaVea.. but Vea is a different type of player/DT..
and they spend too much money on too weak players like Dotson, Donovan Smith, Jensen
and in terms of drafting:
very often, there is still good talents on the board, but the Suckaneers just seem to like lesser talent..
year after year i say: draft this one if available, and the Suckaneers even get the oppertunity, but they decide to get another future Suckaneer and the player i wanted goes on to have good career…
realy year after year the same BS..
i am better than the whole “professional” Suckaneers Organisation @ evaluating talent..
it’s laughable
because i am an arm chair GM..
fans should start to boykott this Clown-Show until the Glazers decide to sign an actual intelligent football mind that is able to evaluate talent and to build a good Roster/Team..
this Suckaneer team is full of holes, is lacking talented players and it’s even in SallaryCapHell…
what the hfreaking heck..
Bucsfans, join the Fire-Licht-Tonight movement!
September 21st, 2019 at 1:49 pm
Is this photo an example of how well coach Leftwich can relate to Jameis? I seen Leftwich offer some (tough love) the during the panthers game. My lip reading is average at best, but it looked like it was a repeated statement, of “get your head in the MFing game, get your head in the MFing game”. And Coach Arians said Winston didn’t need anyone pushing him. I guess the former Bucs QB missed that memo.
The next SHOW ME EVENT begins in one day!! SHOW ME MORE! Talk less!!
Go Bucs!!!
September 21st, 2019 at 2:01 pm
The Bucs don’t have seasoned playcalling. Leftwich has not been impresive. He’s been inconsistent and seems to lose any momentum his good play calls generate. I wish Arians were calling the plays.
September 21st, 2019 at 2:26 pm
SwampBuc … You keyed on exactly the same phrase that I did … ‘SEASONED PLAYCALLING’. Giants offensive coordinator is Mike Shula, who undoubtedly has much more SEASONED than Byron Leftwich is as an OC. Fact is however that NEITHER team has played lights-out offensively. Giants offense has scored a whopping 31 points in 2 games, and Bucs offense hasn’t exactly lit up the scoreboard itself, putting up 10 points in the first game and 20 points in the second for a total of 30 points. Wow … neither is exactly an offensive juggernaut.
Giants have actually played 2 somewhat tougher defenses though IMO. Cowboys are ranked #13 & the Bills are ranked #5 in terms of POINTS ALLOWED. Bucs opponents, SF & Panthers, are ranked #7 and #24 respectively. Still, our Bucs’ defense looks to be more solid than the Giants’ defense, so I would think we’d have an edge in the game Sunday. Still, can’t look past any opponent. On any given Sunday, any NFL team can upset any other NFL team.
September 21st, 2019 at 2:37 pm
Agree with Alanbucsfan and Swampbuc!
As far as louden’s tangent, well…somethings are better off not said. The fact you stated what you did about our center Jensen this year (if you’ve actually watched, because you’re statement implies you haven’t), made you lose credibility and really made me not want to read further. If you watched the first two games, you would know your statement is inaccurate. Not to mention he has the 3rd best pass block win rate of all centers, but he’s been in pivotal to a much better running game so far. He’s definitely earning his money this year, SO FAR.
And I miss Steve too. He’s the foundation of JoeBucsFan in my opinion. Hope all is well with him. Come back Steve 🙂
September 21st, 2019 at 2:58 pm
Said same thing yesterday
Giants defense is hot garbage.
But I used 25 points
Regardless, perfect game for offense to flex muscles before away game consecutive streak.
If offense struggles then we got problems
Cause defense can keep them under 15 maybe 12
September 21st, 2019 at 3:03 pm
We must keep Saquon under 100 yards and blitz the hell out of Jones. However, I’m not chalking up a victory just yet as the Bucs record against backup QBs and rookie QBs is abysmal.
September 21st, 2019 at 3:18 pm
louden. Shouldn’t you be on another website? Please. Stay off the bandwagon when good things start happening Mr Fairweather.
September 21st, 2019 at 3:30 pm
For whatever reason Jameis doesnt do well at home 4pm games. Run run play action and play your Bowles off.
September 21st, 2019 at 3:39 pm
Jameis is always feeling generous. I’m sure the Giants defense will get their first couple turnovers this season playing at the den of depression.
September 21st, 2019 at 4:12 pm
There is no legit reason why our offense shouldn’t have a field day against this sorry Giants D, I’m expecting at least 4 TDs since that’s how much the Bills with Josh Allen at QB got.
September 21st, 2019 at 4:18 pm
What truly matters is the end result.. how teams get there is rarely dissected…
If the Saints missing Brees and the Panthers keep regressing and the Bucs STILL end up in ‘Bucs Cove’, then nothing has made a difference..
They beat a struggling Panthers team… Great! (Albeit by what, a yard or 2 difference).
How about beat a Cowboys team or Rams or Chiefs… A team that really shows this defense and run game can actually win meaningful games…
Dial up the old school ‘pound the rock’ and limit J to dump off passes..
Maybe you win more than 5 games this year and see how the QB landscape looks next year…
If the Jags can get Minchew in the 6th round, maybe the Bucs can look out..
If top qbs are gone, maybe Jalen Hurts or Jacob Eason in 2nd round since Arians is this amazing QB coach… Just stop giving games away!
September 21st, 2019 at 4:24 pm
I have a feeling this is the game that our offense gets going like last year but with a run game sprinkled in it. There’s really not much for this team to do to play lights out football the major is #3 an turnovers the rest are little get the offense playing well defense an ST are playing well an no penalties an this team can make the playoffs the wild card is #3
September 21st, 2019 at 4:24 pm
This defense hasn’t allowed more than 17 points since the first game of the preseason. They held the 49’ers offense to 17 points. That’s going to be more impressive as the season goes on.
September 21st, 2019 at 5:01 pm
Just excited to see Jameis grow in this offense with a defense that can actually stop someone. A good back is desperately needed on this roster. I could see Jordan Howard being solid because the Eagles would rather rely on wentz stumbling to a .500 record. If they lean on Jordan philly, and Wentz, would be MUCH harder to stop. Wentz could be a pro bowler or injured the next two seasons… Just like the last 2…and OFF the Eagles. It’s all about the team
September 21st, 2019 at 5:07 pm
louden Says:
September 21st, 2019 at 1:45 pm
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Hopefully, another TROLL bites the dust! BTW, Mike Shula was the OC here, and sucked so bad he helped get Tony Dungy fired. Bucs will win tomorrow.
September 21st, 2019 at 5:18 pm
@louden not very clear,
Arm chair G.M. Pffffft!!! I have a headache from trying to read that “stream of unconsciousness”. I was going to suggest that you invest in an app like grammarly, but I believe that it wouldn’t be able to make any sense of your ramblings.
There are 2 L’s In really.
There is only 1 L in salary.
There are no E’s in opportunity.
There is no S in organization, unless you are talking about 2 of them.
There are no K’s in boycott.
Those errors could be easily corrected ( not (easy) corrected ) with a thing they call spell check, but spell check doesn’t tell you when to use adjectives, or prepositions, so you’re gonna have to figure all that stuff out on your own.
You do know that Geraldini plays for another team now, right? It’s kind of hard to get a read on what you’re saying.
It would probably be easier to read if I agreed with any of your points.
But I don’t. So it’s not.
September 21st, 2019 at 5:23 pm
Eat a$$ America. Bucs are going to the Super Bowl!!!!
September 21st, 2019 at 6:48 pm
TDTB,
Please don’t talk to Jaboo like that.
It really upsets the Nuthuggers.
September 21st, 2019 at 7:15 pm
I’m astonished to see so many Howard supporters. The man has done nothing accept for block to prove he belongs in this league. Meanwhile cam brates outstanding play on most days goes unnoticed. It’s a shame and a big reason this franchise has been in the dirt for the last decade.
September 21st, 2019 at 7:23 pm
My goodness SO MANY of you have been brainwash about the TOs. Our QB has been responsible for one TO this year freaking ONE yet you people act like he is giving the ball away like candy. You do realize the great Matt Ryan has 5 picks this year don’t you? Are people not intelligent enough to realize that other people can be responsible for TOs as well? For example if you get to a 4 way stop and you are the first one there and of course go first but another car goes at the same time and hits you is it your fault? Of course not but this is the exact thing that happened with Peyton Barber and his poor route that lead to the second pick in week one. You got hit and it sucks but it wasn’t your fault but you people are still blaming the guy who did the right thing in that play. How do you not understand that?
September 21st, 2019 at 7:29 pm
Hey y’all just checking the guide and see that channel 8 has a new show called the Bruce Arians show. Might be worth a look, unlike the Bucs access show that is a 30 minute fluff piece. I don’t care if Ali Marpet has a laberdoodle!!!
September 21st, 2019 at 7:30 pm
But shame on any of y’all not watching this pennant race.
September 21st, 2019 at 7:34 pm
JimmyJack when that team commits to us I will commit to them again. Until then they don’t exist to me. The day they announced their sport won’t work in Tampa is the day I stopped watching them and even acknowledging they exist.
September 21st, 2019 at 7:39 pm
Ndog why even bring up crap we would like to try to move on from. It’s already been confirmed that was a crappy pass. As was the one where he lost us the game.
Why do you insist on forcing Winston’s awful game the top ic at hand? Can’t you just let us enjoy his more recent better game and let us hope for better tomorrow.
Why are you dwelling on the most negative aspect you could bring to the table? Tomorrow is game game. Be excited.
September 21st, 2019 at 7:45 pm
JimmyJack here are just a few examples of why I bring that up. I am tired of people having know idea what they are talking about and posting crap like the below.
1bucsfan Says:
September 21st, 2019 at 4:24 pm
I have a feeling this is the game that our offense gets going like last year but with a run game sprinkled in it. There’s really not much for this team to do to play lights out football the major is #3 an turnovers the rest are little get the offense playing well defense an ST are playing well an no penalties an this team can make the playoffs the wild card is #3
Tye Says:
September 21st, 2019 at 4:18 pm
What truly matters is the end result.. how teams get there is rarely dissected…
If the Saints missing Brees and the Panthers keep regressing and the Bucs STILL end up in ‘Bucs Cove’, then nothing has made a difference..
They beat a struggling Panthers team… Great! (Albeit by what, a yard or 2 difference).
How about beat a Cowboys team or Rams or Chiefs… A team that really shows this defense and run game can actually win meaningful games…
Dial up the old school ‘pound the rock’ and limit J to dump off passes..
Maybe you win more than 5 games this year and see how the QB landscape looks next year…
If the Jags can get Minchew in the 6th round, maybe the Bucs can look out..
If top qbs are gone, maybe Jalen Hurts or Jacob Eason in 2nd round since Arians is this amazing QB coach… Just stop giving games away!
September 21st, 2019 at 7:46 pm
Won’t blame you on that Ndog…….That franchise had put it’s fans through the ringer. It’s been over a decade of threatening it’s fans with leaving. They need to come to a conclusion because it is not fair no more. I used to really care if they left or not but I can’t care no more. They have brought it to a point that I won’t be sad if they leave no more. I will be glad the drama is over. Sick of it hanging over our heads…….and I’ve already realized it won’t be too big of a problem to become a Marlins fan. The National League is funner baseball anyway. Plus an excuse to go visit Miami and the Atlantic. Not ideal but not too awful either.
September 21st, 2019 at 7:53 pm
Ndog……..When a QB loses as much as Winston has over the years opinions like those are to be expected & are fair. It comes with the territory of being an NFL QB.
This is the exact way it works in 31 other NFL cities. Winston is just facing the same standard any other QB has.
Winston does not need anybody defending him. He can do it himself by winning football games. That game against San Fran is not getting it done. He has to man up and do a better job. And it must be consistent.
September 21st, 2019 at 8:44 pm
I don’t mind opinions but they should be formed off of facts not pure garbage people just repeat over and over again.
September 21st, 2019 at 9:00 pm
…and just when you let your guard down…
September 21st, 2019 at 9:22 pm
As long as our garbage qb doesn’t give the game away we shld be good
September 21st, 2019 at 9:35 pm
Well if you don’t understand why people have concerns about our QB going forward then you are honestly in no position to tell other they are not intelligent enough to understand.
If you don’t understand what facts these people are basing thier opinions on then I suggest you go rewatch the Panters game. During that game they posted a graphic showing Winston leads the league in turnovers…….INTs he is in last place…….Fumbles he is in last place……..Call me crazy but I bet those are the facts that critics are basing their opinions on. And it’s kind of embarrassing for you to call people out on facts like you don’t know this.
If you wanna call out Winston haters then have at it. But that’s not what your doing your calling out decent fans that have fair opinions like the 2 posters you mentioned above. When you do that you do nothing but hurt the fan base because it creates a divide.
It would be nice to have the freedom to be openly critical of our QB without being subject to your crusade of childish namecalling. Sure you got the freedom to do that too but like I said it does more harm then good to the fanbase. And despite your preaching nonsense about intelligence it gets in the way of actual intelligent conversation.
September 21st, 2019 at 9:41 pm
And I don’t know where you get this Matt Ryan comparison from but don’t insult intelligent fans by cherry picking stats. Nobody ever compared the two for the last several years so you sound real dumb to all the sudden try to compare them this one time.
Like our QB needs to do you have to be consistent with you arguments or it gets deemed nearly worthless to intelligent folks.
There’s a few more facts for ya.
September 21st, 2019 at 10:10 pm
Don’t forget, Jameis is on track this year to take the INT crown from Bottles. You can do it Jaboo!
September 21st, 2019 at 10:18 pm
@JimmyJack:
Very nice posts! Kudos to you.
tickrdr
September 21st, 2019 at 11:48 pm
Louden
and I thought Ted Kaczynski’s manifesto was a tad wordy.
September 22nd, 2019 at 12:16 am
Matt Ryan almost NEVER threw INTs last year … he’s on pace to throw 40 with Dirk Koetter calling his plays.
Mayfield was looked at like the next superstar … he’s on pace to throw 32 INTs with Todd Monken calling his plays.
So many fans have no clue what they’re talking about when they talk about QBs, turnovers, etc. Jameis throws deeper passes on average than any other QB since coming into the league, has always been in a vertical offense, and has had no run game … OF COURSE HE’S GOING TO RACK UP TO’S … any QB under those circumstances would. DUH.
September 22nd, 2019 at 1:05 am
^^^^ finally Jameis has company
September 22nd, 2019 at 2:37 am
This would be just the sort of game that we would have lost in the past 15 years or so. Hopefully, we don’t make Jones look like the second coming of Marino and Jameis keeps his head out of his a$$. This game is a huge test and to me at least, will prove that we have turned the corner with a win.