Taking Heat For Teammates
August 24th, 2019
Blocks better than his o-line.
Leaders take blame, even when they are innocent.
And America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston, did just that tonight. Still trying to rehab his image from the Uber hassle nonsense, no one would have blamed Jameis one bit if he called out his sieve of an offensive line tonight.
Hell, Jameis was damn near maimed. He was sacked five times, beaten to hell and when he wasn’t sacked he was lucky to have enough time to stop and throw with white jerseys beating down on him. It was one of the more grotesque displays of non-blocking Joe has seen in some time.
Did Anthony Collins and Oniel Cousins come out of retirement and sneak into the Bucs locker room?
But instead of calling out the guys who tried to end Jameis’ season before it got started, Jameis told the local pen and mic club that he was part of the blame.
Jameis said two of the sacks were on him. He said he could have done a better job getting rid of the ball, among other things.
When Bucco Bruce Arians was asked what he liked best about Jameis tonight, Arians quipped, “He didn’t fumble.”
August 24th, 2019 at 12:14 am
We are not 49er ready……
August 24th, 2019 at 12:30 am
WELCOME TO THE NFL.
The Browns have a great D-Line. The better teams will get pressure. It’s part of the game. Mayfield was pressured many times in the game too.
NO-MORE-EXCUSE-FOR-JAMEIS-UNDERACHIEVER-WINSTON
We can’t give this kid $30M/year unless he plays MUCH better this season.
August 24th, 2019 at 12:30 am
Hey guys focus on the real.. Browns D line is better than our OL.. I am IMPRESSED on how JAMIIES escaped certain plays.. he was in no rhythm at all..and yes he did miss few deep throws. but his shading off weight to scramble (instinctively ) probably saved a preseason sack record .. RELAX .. it can only get better! Kudos to the defense down to the 3rd string! Remember It was the DEFENSE collectively that we were all collectively worried about!
August 24th, 2019 at 12:34 am
BucsBandit this comment tonight shows how truly stupid you are. Mayfield was pressured less and Jameis still did better than him. Man you are clueless.
August 24th, 2019 at 12:34 am
“Still trying to rehab his image from the Uber hassle nonsense”
With whom? The media and you?
August 24th, 2019 at 12:37 am
When Bucco Bruce Arians was asked what he liked best about Jameis tonight, Arians quipped, “He didn’t fumble.”
No shyte what a surprise huh BucsBandit you 5 year old you…
August 24th, 2019 at 12:38 am
We can’t give this kid $30M/year unless he plays MUCH better this season.
I didnt realize fans were paying his salary. If we can pay someone as sorry as donovan smith winston can play average and get a deal from licht easily. To move on from Winston we’d have to have a lovie like season to draft high like usual or he will get a new contract
August 24th, 2019 at 12:40 am
Rayjay says:
“We are not 49er ready”….
Heck Rayjay,
We are still trying to get Tennessee ready!!!
August 24th, 2019 at 12:41 am
That expensive offensive line seems like a huge waste of money for a team in cap trouble.
August 24th, 2019 at 12:45 am
Lol, Elite.
August 24th, 2019 at 12:45 am
NDOG – WHATEVS!
You’ve already proven yourself to be a MASSIVE Jameis Winston HOMER.
The guy just doesn’t have it to be an all-around great NFL QB. You keep screaming this “He’ll be in the Hall Of Fame!!!” crap yet every NFL analyst & expert, that does this stuff for their job, state otherwise.
Jameis Winston is FLAWED. He was an exciting college QB. He occasionally makes some good throws and moves the chains. But he rarely ever puts an entire game together.
And I already had this argument with you about his lack of DEEP BALL ACCURACY and most passes that require an ARCH. Yet you cried in your little diapers claiming how I was so wrong… and…and…and… QBR!!!! QBR!!!
Jameis Winston doesn’t pass the EYE TEST. Anyone that actually watches him play and isn’t just obsessed with stats can tell he’s just not that great.
August 24th, 2019 at 12:48 am
*SERIOUSLY…*
Am I the only one that notices how Jameis is constantly bouncing around on his feet (even with protection) and is rarely SET while scanning the field?
Winston must have the WORST FOOTWORK IN THE NFL. I can’t believe the “QB Whisperer” and all these great coaches haven’t fixed that. It’s like he’s constantly playing from the balls of his feet.
He’s also very “shifty” and UNCOMFORTABLE looking. Watch the difference with Mayfield… solid on his feet. Plants them has he’s ready to throw, yet scrambles quickly when he has to move to a different place. And don’t give me this crap about our O-Line. Winston acts just like that when he DOES get great pass blocking.
August 24th, 2019 at 12:54 am
BucsBandit
The President of The Winston Derangement Syndrome Goon Squad.
August 24th, 2019 at 12:55 am
Preseason!
August 24th, 2019 at 12:56 am
O line overpowered by a top 2 d line. They will be underperformers all year for sure, but this was worst case scenario. Enough to get us to 6 wins
August 24th, 2019 at 12:59 am
@BUCSBandit It aint about JW being “great’ ..compared to who that played with the organization or on the current roster.. yes we do know his flaws but what other proffesional QB currently has one?? bottomline for the judgment will be on how he’s gonna manage to “WIN CLOSE GAMES” according to the new coach! Again relax! Its like comparing B favre as a gunslinger with his INT ratio .. certain qbs are going to play ( pass) that way!
August 24th, 2019 at 1:00 am
Tonight was on the offensive line. The Browns defensive front 7 are a formidable bunch that took advantage of a couple weak links. An old guy at RT and a 2nd year man playing a position he had never played before prior to last season. But it wasn’t just the right side. Except for Marpet, who played hard on every snap, this o-line could not move the Browns defensive line. They could not generate any push or create lanes on run support. The 9ers front 7 compare well to the Browns.
August 24th, 2019 at 1:08 am
RaJay1122
Thanks to BA’s two concurrent practice scheme we have no problem.
Our number ones and some of our twos can focus on the 49ers game. We can can bring in another QB who can be readied to take the majority of snaps at Dallas. Griffin can play the first quarter and then be pulled on Thursday night.
After the roster cuts on the 31st Winston and Griffin can devote their time to completing preparation for the Panthers as well as the 49ers.
August 24th, 2019 at 1:12 am
And now my fellow Buc fans..You witnessed what a Pass Rush is suppose to look like. Them Browns brought the heat baby! I mean their secondary ate lunch the 1st half. While ours worked their A/s off. I’ve been sayin since kingdom come, No pass rush and you can take away about 9 games easily. Better call Clowney..quick. Cause Mr Suh was stopped in his tracks by them Browns. Buclife baby!
August 24th, 2019 at 1:13 am
BucsBandit,
Great point on footwork.
Mayfield is the player you’d use as example of superior footwork. Looking back at his footwork from last year, you’ll see a player with , a rookie no less, with a veteran level of footwork and eyes on target.
Winston in his 4TH year, I don’t see much relevance in using tonight’s game ,
fails to get his feet set properly often, throws off balance and off platform as often as He does from a solid foundation. Obviously, working on Winston’s footwork and base has been a focus of this new coaching staff , as its been mentioned multiple times.
The idea that winston is a finished product , footwork wise, is somewhat premature to conclude. It’s a work in progress.
What is not premature to acknowledge is the claims, that there’s nothing wrong with his footwork that a better oline, kicking game, defense, coaching and playcalling can’t fix , is patently false.
August 24th, 2019 at 1:21 am
Oh D1 you great QB guru you…preach it!
Winston NEVER had anytime to set up all night!!!!!
LMFAO Joe…you’ve attracted quite a group of I don’t know what…
Bucs fans!!!!!!!!
August 24th, 2019 at 1:22 am
Bucsbandit… I said the same thing after every game last year. Winston looks terrible every time he scrambles. His inability to focus and remain relaxed is indicative of a qb with ADHD. Not a food condition to have in a high stress position.
I hope he proves us wrong this season, but history isn’t on his side.
August 24th, 2019 at 1:24 am
…* Not a “good” condition to have.
August 24th, 2019 at 1:26 am
D1
Last year Winston threw a TD to Godwin while walking on air. True story #FACTS
August 24th, 2019 at 1:27 am
Peyton Manning had ADHD? Or are we conveniently forgetting his happy feet? Dude actually like he was standing on an asphalt sidewalk in the middle of the summer barefoot. A quarterback who throws for 4,000 yards, if he has happy feet, more power to him.
August 24th, 2019 at 1:38 am
DB55,
I’ve never said winston can’t make throws. He makes throws that are simply incredible at times. The throw you’re referring to doesn’t negate the fact that winston often throws off balance and off platform. Nor does it dismiss what his current coaching staff has determined as a point of emphasis to improve on.
Bucs 87,
apparently you don’t read so good. I made a point to dismiss this game and instead specially mentioned that last year throwing off balance was an issue. Apparently, the new coaches agree with me as they’ve made it public that footwork would be an off season priority.
Did you not read the line where I said it’s premature to conclude anything based off one game and that improving his footwork was a work in progress?
By your comments, I’m going with yes.
August 24th, 2019 at 1:48 am
Skbucsfan,
ADHD? I’m going to assume you don’t have ADHD. Based on what you believe are traits associated with it your conclusions are 180 degrees off.
QB’S that have it display a remarkably cool demeanor when placed in pressure situations. Not panic as you suggest.
In fact, having ADHD can be a positive attribute if a coach understands when it’s a benefit and when it’s not.
August 24th, 2019 at 1:49 am
Also, I believe JW3 looked slower while scrambling out of the pocket than past years. I guess that putting on some pounds this years is not helping in that department.
August 24th, 2019 at 2:01 am
Bucs87,
Are you man enough to admit you made a mistake and didn’t read my comment accurately?
As for being a Bucs fan , I’ve been one longer than you. Which is why I don’t take too much away from a single half of preseason football. I’ve seen far too much football to get excited about or anything else about a game played in the preseason.
August 24th, 2019 at 2:18 am
Tell him Joe! And for the record I love Happy Feet, the movie. One of the best penguin movies ever made to this day.
August 24th, 2019 at 2:22 am
There was a lot of vanilla tonight just like there was supposed to be. Now time to get ready for the 9ers
August 24th, 2019 at 2:27 am
I have doubts but it’s still early.
August 24th, 2019 at 2:39 am
Bucs Fans!
Imagine JW3 – operating behind Dallas Cowboys Offensive line – top 3 O-Line in NFL JW3 is ProBowler!
Barber or RoJo, would look amazing aa RB’s. And JW3 would actually be able to “set his feet” to make accurate throws downfield, vs.”HOPE tosses” – vs. scrambling for his life. seeking open receiver outlet.
Bucs O-Line> is a joke. Poor drafts/poor FA signings. SAD!
It is what it is! Bottom of barrel in NFL – JW3 has to make chicken salad out of chicken Sh_T.
O-Line issues continues to be Bucs “Achilles Heel” for foreseeable future for playoff options. Pass rush, basic D.will help.
O-Line is key to Bucs playoff options this year.
Win/Loss record is all that matters – and playoffs
Love my BUCS.
Just WIN!
August 24th, 2019 at 3:06 am
If you were going to make errors this game was it. Hopefully we’ll get all those rough edges smoothed over by Game 1. Go Bucs!
August 24th, 2019 at 4:06 am
I think that was the worst oline play I have ever seen. Jameis was sacked 5 times by the time there was 11 minutes left in the second quarter. In over 48 years of watching football, I don’t recall ever seeing that many sacks in just over a quarter. If this was regular season that would have been a 45-3 butt whipping. Cleveland was stacking the line of scrimmage and our Oline was totally helpless to stop them in the run or pass. Jameis didn’t help matters holding onto the ball forever. Still preseason but wow that was scary.
August 24th, 2019 at 4:34 am
Dreambig,
Let’s not forget that it was the oline who believed that they needed a full half of game play . It was the coaches who felt that they are ready and needed a series or two. Talk about a huge disconnect!
I wonder how this plays out Sunday in practice and moving forward into the week.
August 24th, 2019 at 5:04 am
Part of the blame lands on him though. There were times where he decided to run it with open receivers and a clean pocket.
August 24th, 2019 at 5:09 am
It “plays out” with guys’ jobs on the line. The Bucs will look for every o line cap casualty/depth chart/practice squad stud/ WHATEVER it takes. This offensive line has been in shambles since Jameis arrived. Idiots here acting like Baker is HALF the qb. Gimme a BREAK!!! That kid is a crybaby bust-waiting-to-happen. AND THATS WITH CHUBB, KAREEM, BECKHAM, LANDRY, & NJOKU. and THAT defense??? He’s HORRIFIC!!!!!
August 24th, 2019 at 5:37 am
Dreambig … I agree with you. That was the worst OLine play I’ve seen in as long as I can remember. Nothing sophisticated on Cleveland’s part from what I saw; just line up head-to-head and whoop the man in front of you. And whoop them they did, especially in the middle it looked like, keeping Jameis from stepping up quite a few times. Heck, several plays defenders came in unblocked … now THAT’S embarrassing.
If last night is any indication of what to expect this season, then Cappa isn’t the answer. Hit on him when drafted as I remember is that he lacked strength needed to dominate. Well last night it looked like he lacked strength to do much of anything. Jensen next to him didn’t look much better IMO. Forget having a running game unless we fix the middle of that OLine.
I’ve seen a lot of QBs with ‘happy feet’ before, but the big deal is when they’re still dancing a jig WITHOUT ANY PRESSURE around them IMO. That wasn’t Jameis last night … he was under pressure on virtually every play. What concerned me much more than that is that plays took so long to develop, KNOWING that our OLine couldn’t hold off the pass rush. Have no idea if it was intentional or not, but Jameis by-passed a number of opportunities to make a quick throw underneath in favor of going further downfield. That part I still can’t understand.
August 24th, 2019 at 5:42 am
But Joe says the o line is ok, nothing to worry about
We are worrying for nothing the guy who wanted Manziel drafted is flawless in his evaluations
August 24th, 2019 at 5:53 am
At least the O-line has been exposed for what they are. Now BA can work to get some real NFL ready players, not Div III guys who should be on the practice squad. Leftwich better put some West Coast Offense plays in, Jameis is going to need them. Long season again. Three wins. Ugh.
August 24th, 2019 at 6:16 am
Good to see the same JW anus kickers blame everyone but JW himselfnfor hisnpoor performance. Look at the tape. 4 of the 5 sacks could have prevented if he would have thrown to his checkdown, which was wide open. He is simply not intelligent enough to remember where his chef down is on the field when under pressure. He also threw a couple of terrible deep balls in which OJ Howard was wide open on a crossing pattern. He was so mentally locked in on the deep ball that he could not intelligently make his reads to see that OJ was not open. The tape does not lie. I suggest that all of you JW butt buddies pay the $100.00 for the NFL game pass package. You will learn a lot when you watch the tape.
August 24th, 2019 at 6:19 am
On a positive note: at least he is not wearing his pimp suits during the post game media session. I also did not hear one “we gotsta” comment during the post game presser.
August 24th, 2019 at 6:32 am
I’m convinced that some of the lowest football IQ fans in the NFL are on here commenting!
August 24th, 2019 at 7:07 am
It’s ok to criticize …except here on JBF
More biased then anywhere on the planet
Don’t say anything negative about Jameis or the same cry Babies come out
What a joke
Go to the site that has “most impressive “ and “most disappointing “
Guess which list Jameis made?
But again , they must not know anything about football either . A site that starts with a P that has a few FSU grads as writers.
For the records – The worst part of last night was the oline. An absolute dumpster fire. If Brate wasn’t coming off surgery , I think bucs would have traded him already for guard /right tackle . But he has no trade value cause he is an unknown coming off injury . So I think the Bucs have to give up a quality draft pick -4th round or better to land someone . Cause Jameis will not make it thru the season with this oline
With that said , Jameis orchestrated 0 points in a half. ZERO. And mike Evans was out and would have made a difference. However , zero points is unacceptable. I saw a lot of people wanting koetter back …blaming Leftwich play calling . What a joke.
Jameis had 2 plays on deep balls where the defender was beat by a mile and the receiver was wide open by a mile in nfl standards . 2 easy tds that top level quarterbacks have to make at this level. A play that top level QBs make after getting hit and sacked. The best QBs move on from the last play. (And I get it that Jameis was probably gun shy after the beat down )
The one deep ball was so bad it landed 5-7 yards out of bounds. This is unacceptable. He didn’t even give the receiver a chance to make a play.
Im still trying to keep hope for this season but it’s tough. I did like that Jameis took the sack in first have when in past he would have tried to force a play and potentially turnover. However , the good comes with the bad again.
He deserves criticism from last night. You just won’t get it from the peeps here. They will write about it and then back track cause they are so scared to set off the excuse makers. So sad. Forget being objective here
I think the 49ers are perfect team to start off season . They are not very good may give us a little swag to start the season.
August 24th, 2019 at 7:30 am
“He didn’t fumble”
This was funny but also true. How many times did it look like it was going to be a typical jameis dancing fumble last night? At least twice I thought for sure the ball was coming out.
That and only throwing the deep ball often enough to keep the defenses honest could be the key to a few more wins and an improved season for Jameis.
August 24th, 2019 at 7:43 am
I hope our blocking and blitz pickups are better in the regular season. I know its vanilla football,but I expected more. The Browns are not the only team in the NFL that can apply a lot of pressure, This is coaching staff has to come up with a plan
to block some of these blitzes and consider max protect packages. If you are getting beat one on one then you have to help with blitz pickups and extra blockers. If this was the regular season ,i would ,the necessary adjustments
to make Jameis more comfortable in the pocket.
Jameis was rattled somewhat because of the pressure, He overlooked checkdowns and did not throw the deep ball well. I wish he would throw the ball
to the open field and not to sideline or out of bounds on go routes. His footwork seems to be giving him bad angles to complete these passes and
take advantage of a wide open receiver and a lot of green grass in front of him.
August 24th, 2019 at 7:52 am
Aaron Rogers would not have faired any better than JW on the plays where he was pressured (which felt like a majority of the time). Unfortunately, JW was off target on a number of plays when he wasn’t pressured. Improve o-line or QB and overall performance will improve. Good news is Bucs seem to be 4 players deep at TE. One has to be traded for an o-lineman. Like it or not, Brate is the most logical because he would garner the best player in a trade.
August 24th, 2019 at 7:54 am
Best way to fix Jameis…run the football for positive yards. Use play-action and quicker developing routes. What happened to our screen game last night? For most of the first half, it looked like Dirk was back calling plays. I was pretty shocked to see our OC expose Jameis to hit after hit throughout the first half— only to see Gabbert blow his own shoulder apart on a pretty awkward scramble.
August 24th, 2019 at 7:58 am
Agree with Bird’s comments above.
I will say that this game shows some of our weaknesses and its now up to the coaching staff to fix these problems. Thankfully ,it was just a preseason game,
but unfortunately it was a game that some of the starters didn’t look ready for
the regular season.
Gotta give it up for the defense , they kept it close.
August 24th, 2019 at 8:01 am
Browns did not have a great pass rush, they did what they were supposed to do when you are unblocked. I am somewhat confident that in the regular season that second half adjustments would have been made by a competent coach to get the offense going, one thing we know is that JW probably still plays better in the second half, the offensive line would’ve gotten their arse handed to them and Mike Evans and Cam Brate would’ve played (maybe)
August 24th, 2019 at 8:31 am
So national football gurus tweet about how awful our oline is and how they feel sorry for jameis and yet these yahoo buc fans get on here to blame jameis? You really cant make this up.
August 24th, 2019 at 8:32 am
We would have a QB controversy if Gabbert does not get hurt.
August 24th, 2019 at 9:54 am
It’s a sad morning for the JW nut huggers.
They lost one of their own last night and the ranks are getting thinner.
Of course there are a few Nuthuggers who will defend him till the end…..
Good luck with that.
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cmurda Says:
August 23rd, 2019 at 8:49 pm
Jameis, you cannot throw a deep ball and it’s humiliating. Dude is 5 steps beyond and this moron can’t even keep it in bounds. I’ve seen all I need to from Jameis. I’ve been defending this dude for 5 years now and he’s never going to be better than he is now. He has zero mental ability and he is incapable of throwing a deep ball. The season hasn’t even started yet and I have zero confidence in Jameis. The only smart thing the Glazer boys have ever done is not give Jameis the big extension. We will be drafting a QB next year. Seeing this O Line and Jameis both competing on who can suck the most makes me wonder if we will be in the Tua/ Trevor Lawrence running.
August 24th, 2019 at 10:42 am
I think Jamies is playing scared. That’s why I will always believe that a quarterback can’t be afraid of throwing interceptions. It’s part of the game. He just don’t have to throw in double coverage but he can’t be afraid of throwing the ball. If the bucs don’t bring him back at least go out swinging. When you play for a fan base that hope to see you fail and rather you and the team lose then win it makes it harder to be a good quarterback or even a player then for get it go all out and slang that ball.
August 24th, 2019 at 10:45 am
I guarantee that Arians is now very concerned by what he saw out of Winston last night…….The coach killer will not kill this coach
August 24th, 2019 at 10:46 am
Doosh name me 1 Alabama quarterback that came in the NFL the last 10 or even 20 years that was good???? Lol lol lol I will wait !!!
August 24th, 2019 at 10:58 am
I hope the Bucs saw that even when clamped down by a good D – a zero turnover game will keep them in it and give them a shot.
August 24th, 2019 at 12:02 pm
Good with Jameis performance but dude wont live too much longer like that. More chipping by te or rb’s whatever something needs to change before we lose him for the year
August 24th, 2019 at 2:46 pm
Thoughts on last night’s game:
1. The defense played well for most of the time.
2. The OL was as bad as any NFL OL play in any game I can remember. Jamis is going to get killed this year without major influx of talent.
3. ROJO is a cooked goose. OG44 is clearly a better back. Play ROJO the whole game in #4 or release him now.
4. Interesting that at times we had a 3-1 CB to safety lineup. Maybe some of those draft picks will pay off.
5. If 49r QB can shake off his injury from last year they will win by 9.
6. 2019 Buc record: 6-10 if they are lucky.
7. 1st or 2nd 2020 draft picks QB and OL.
August 24th, 2019 at 4:36 pm
@ Bird! Please save your BS and comments for pewter report! I was a paid subscriber years ago so save your monday qb criticism to yourself. The difference here is lot of the redneck hillbillies don’t want Jamies here at all! Not his flaws! And a few chameleons.. so lets not pretend as if it was just about yesterday!
August 25th, 2019 at 10:56 am
“Leaders take blame, even when they are innocent.” That would be some good advice for Sham Newton and McCottoncandy.