“It Was A Perfect Drive”
August 10th, 2019
First drive an eye-opener.
Man, it was a beautiful thing to watch. And it was too long in coming.
Yeah, Joe knows it was one drive. In preseason. But it gave Joe so much hope.
“It was a perfect drive,” head coach Bucco Bruce Arians said after the Bucs dropped their first preseason game to the Steelers.
Running well, passing well, blocking well. We’ve heard over and over how much the talent the Bucs have. That drive showed it. Last year the Bucs had one of the best offenses in the NFL. But once inside the red zone they bogged down.
Not last night. The first drive, the only drive with the first team, the Bucs punched it in. A 12-play, 81-yard possession capped off by a nine-yard pass from America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston to Chris Godwin.
After the game, Jameis gave credit to the running attack.
“We really established the run game,” Jameis said. “When you run the football good, you get touchdowns.”
Look, the Bucs all but have broadcast that lousy coaching is why the team has lost 22 games the past two seasons. That’s why the team didn’t upgrade in several areas. The way the first-team offense and defense played, it sort of backs up those insinuations, that it was bad coaching, not bad players.
August 10th, 2019 at 12:26 am
Joe – does Byron script plays ?
August 10th, 2019 at 12:29 am
We’ll see!!
August 10th, 2019 at 12:30 am
Wow, who would have thought good O-Line play and a decent run game would help a quarterback?
Not @magadude and all his extra accounts that he posts under, hahahahahha.
August 10th, 2019 at 12:31 am
How dare you July Joe!
Don’t you dare say anything bad about the all-wise @magadude, he is my BFF!
WE will run Jameis and his kind out of Tampa and you can’t stop us!
August 10th, 2019 at 12:33 am
Alter ego and maga dude ,are just back under their bridges for one week. They’ll be back spewing the same nonsense soon enough.
August 10th, 2019 at 12:36 am
Big bad bloggers are gonna run Jameis outa town.
Hilarious.
August 10th, 2019 at 12:38 am
We’re seeing play calling that shouldve been here the past 4 years…Thanks to BA. That quick out to Godwin on that TD…i always wondered why I never see play calls like that. Just dont expose too much during preseason Mr. Arians…but that was BadAss Mr. BA!
August 10th, 2019 at 12:39 am
I am all in on the new coaching staff. I don’t know how good we will end up being but I guarantee you we are much improved over the last few years of nonsense we’ve had to endure.
August 10th, 2019 at 12:42 am
Not sure.
August 10th, 2019 at 1:10 am
Joe it’s pre season and against damn near 3rd string players… guys besides devin bush who won’t see week 3 of pre season … relax dude
August 10th, 2019 at 1:48 am
@Ben real, the post is about the first drive when it’s almost all starters. Not the rest of the game. Relax dude!
August 10th, 2019 at 2:29 am
Was this Ben real’s 1st football game? Awwwwwhhhh. ADORABLE. 😂😂🙈🙈
August 10th, 2019 at 2:42 am
Good drive but really.. you make is sound like jw is a rookie on his first ever nfl series. What about that deep ball though? I saw Steelers backups complete a bunch. Seems like its no big deal for them.
Where was devin white? Bunting was underwhelming. Edwards wasn’t felt. Vea’s injury is a big concern. No depth at the position and 3-4 weeks could burry the season
August 10th, 2019 at 2:46 am
Was me13 playing? Thought i saw howard. What are the chances of #88 and #83 to make the team?
August 10th, 2019 at 2:48 am
Way to Go Jameis!!!!
August 10th, 2019 at 3:04 am
Another rookie I was impressed with yesterday was Spencer Schnell. The kid is only 5’9 but his route running is impressive. Reminds me of Adam Humphries in the slot. Schnell is quick off the line and generates a lot of distance in his cuts.
He ran a 6.71-second 3-cone drill, best among WR in this year’s draft. Keep an eye on him.
August 10th, 2019 at 4:24 am
MadMax … Agree with you that play-calling was awesome, but the credit should go to our OC, Byron Leftwich, for that. BA was on the headset, but he seemed to be letting Byron do all the play-calling. I was impressed with how well we kept a decent balance in passes & rushes on that first drive & seemingly kept the Steelers off-balance. Especially loved that ‘escape & run’ by Jameis … 18 yards after eluding a would-be tackler in the backfield is awesome IMO. Hope to see more of that this year.
August 10th, 2019 at 5:08 am
Jameis looked very good! Hopefully he will build on that.
August 10th, 2019 at 5:51 am
Great opening drive but we have to be cautious that the 2019 Steelers may not be that good of a team, at least compared to the squads of past, including the one that escaped with a win at RJS week 3 last season on MNF. Still it was refreshing to see the first team O just matriculate down the field and not have one of those drive killing penalties or turnovers that seemed to plague the team under Koetter.
August 10th, 2019 at 6:35 am
I remember last preseason when Barber ran in a beautiful touchdown and we all were convinced the running game was fixed
August 10th, 2019 at 6:59 am
Usually …first drives (plural) are scripted . Usually have so many scripted plays and then offensive play caller wings it the rest of the game
Here were my takeaways :
-offense looked awesome. Been saying for weeks …I think Jameis can throw for 5,000 yards this year… it will be his TD to INT ration that will decide if bucs have winning record or just around 50/50
-coaching does matter
-running backs will be fine.
-defenses cant stop all these talented buc receivers and tight ends
-defense will play better. Likely middle of road. Anything better then worst in nfl.
– time to move on from Ryan griffin. I know he had 3rd string guys and maybe you give second string in next game ..but he looked bad. ..it almost seemed like he was injured cause his throws were so off when receiver open
—-one negative is bucs still lack real depth. ..if they experience some injuries to key guys …then they are in trouble. Just not there yet. Another draft and offseason will help that if arians stays around.
August 10th, 2019 at 7:12 am
So, did Beckwith actually retire last week?
August 10th, 2019 at 7:20 am
That first drive showed what a few of us fans have bin saying for a long time it’s the coaching an schemes that have held us back
August 10th, 2019 at 7:53 am
” Joe – does Byron script plays ?
Not sure.”
I believe Ronde said that he does.
August 10th, 2019 at 8:00 am
Short passes for the win!
August 10th, 2019 at 8:06 am
5/5 on short passes. 0/1 on long pass. Jameis has what it takes to win that way
August 10th, 2019 at 8:07 am
Damn, Ben’s reading comprehension not good at all. My guess he saw it was a positive article and he wanted nothing to do with and went straight to the comments section to troll. You can go away for good now Ben. JW going to get his contract after this year. You and Maga can hit up the rallies in Charlotte or Nashville. Guy like you and him will be well received as long as you stay in the Deep South.
August 10th, 2019 at 8:12 am
Offensive play design incorporated much more short passing almost seems like an update version of the 4 Vertical Offense. Run plays look be designed and executed properly and not sand lot football type of ball of run block who you want. I have always said from a physical standpoint not much difference from 1 string to 3 string, but playing sound football with proper technique and motivation goes a long way.
August 10th, 2019 at 8:13 am
It’s just a glimpse, even though JW missed Perriman on the deep throw, (I’m sure BA, BL or CC will tell home he needs more air under that throw since BP had the man beat), I think the offense will ball out for the most part. The biggest thing to me was no drive killing mistakes on that drive, because I have been conditioned to wait for that mistake to happen. Just hope the defense doesn’t take too long to catch up. Gonna need Spence & company to finish sacks.
August 10th, 2019 at 8:23 am
He is a great preseason QB. He would of had a turnover if he would of played in two more series.
August 10th, 2019 at 8:48 am
Clodhopper ain’t that’s the same way Brady plays? But people say he’s the greatest of all time. Brady is and has always been a short pass quarterback. He throws screens and 2 yard passes catch and run his hold career and so why it’s not a problem when he does it but for Jamies it don’t mean nothing cause they where short passes?? Lol lol Brady been in the league for 20 years and still have not pass the all time record in yards are touchdowns !!!!! Why because has been a dink and dunk quarterback his hold career. That’s why the Patriots win even when he’s not on the field . Bill Belichect try to trade Brady cause he knows he can win without him.
August 10th, 2019 at 9:05 am
It helps to have balance. You can’t beat teams being one-dimensional. It was a great display!
August 10th, 2019 at 9:25 am
For those not aware of the effects of leadership, good management, and good coaching…YES… they do have a major impact on the success of any organization, especially in an endeavor where talent should be pretty similar due to a spending cap and draft.
How long have some of us been saying that. I’m very encouraged the quality of coaching we have gathered. Now..motivate the guys, teach/coach them up, separate the wheat from the chaff, and fill some holes. I’m very encouraged.
August 10th, 2019 at 9:27 am
Better coaching but same looking team. Once a opponent realizes Winston cant through a long ball they will pick him off on those check downs all day. Look at him run, what a surprise he likes to run and fumble when he panics. Im sorry guys but I still see a panicey Winston and a not so good defense. I wish the bucs well this season but don’t see how they can compete, hopefully Im wrong.
August 10th, 2019 at 10:09 am
I see some of the split personalities are attempting to taunt Joe’s readers early today. Good morning! How are sales from that sorry book coming? LOL. What a joke.
August 10th, 2019 at 10:14 am
Just got back from PIT. It was good Winston had a good game last night along with the rest of the starting offense. That was good to see. Yes, he still can’t hit a WR in stride (overthrew him) but the drive was effective. It was great to see RoJo crank it up as well–and good blocking, good protection.
I’ll say thig…Winston looked as good last night as he did last year in pre-season–that was a GREAT pres-season he had, right? And how did that regular season go? Winston’s got to be lights out al year or he is gone. It’s that simple.
August 10th, 2019 at 10:26 am
@CGmaster…not under any bridge…what gives with you? I think I’ve been pretty clear on my desire for this team to do well. Have a great Saturday. Try to not to hate so much.
August 10th, 2019 at 11:01 am
Yes, now my BFF @magadude is here to do the Lord’s work!
However, please up your game on bashing the book buddy as it hit the top 100 on sports books on Amazon shortly after release and now I hear the author is selling bulk copies directly which aren’t impacting sale numbers but are lining his pockets!
STOP THAT FROM HAPPENING.
I loved your “review” on Amazon bashing the book after saying you wouldn’t leave a review, that is definitely doing the Lord’s work.
You’re doing great kid, no one can touch you, yeah!
But you and me need to have a pow-wow and our usual cuddle time soon, to really game-plan about how we can make sure no one else reads:
JAMEIS WINSTON DERANGEMENT SYNDROME:
How the Media Causes Us to Overlook the Start of a Hall of Fame NFL Career
and how we can make sure the fans ONLY CREDIT BRUCE ARIANS for JAY-MISS’ success this season, so JAY-MISS can still be replaced by a rookie QB for 2020!
Seriously @magadude, my BFF, my love, my cuddle buddy, please start spinning the story that anything good JAY-MISS does this year will only be because of Bruce Arians.
Convince the fans that when JAY-MISS has success he’s just a new Jared Goff, a product of a new system.
WE will run JAY-MISS out of Tampa for WE are LEGION!!!
August 10th, 2019 at 11:19 am
??? I have not left a book review. What are you talking about? I said I wouldn’t leave a review, and I haven’t. Oh, you think someone else in a population of 330 million possibly knows the book stinks? LOL. I can leave one if you’d like though. Actually, no. Not a big deal. As for top one 100 books? Is that like winston being in the top 32 starting QBs?
August 10th, 2019 at 11:26 am
Last night was the perfect scenario for Winston and the starting O…
I think Leftwich’s knowledge and experience of playing the QB position on the highest level should make for some really good offensive play calling…We just need Jameis to play under control, manage the offense, and sprinkle in his natural playmaking ability every now and then when when things don’t go as planned (like the scramble last night)…
If anything, this should be a fun offense to watch this year…
August 10th, 2019 at 11:27 am
Cracking the top 100 on Amazon is a big deal as lots of former best-sellers even slip off that list in short order, and we cannot let that happen again with this JAY-MISS book again my cuddle-buddy!
But the real concern is that the author is now selling direct in bulk to people! That won’t show up on sale numbers but could mean there are way too many copies in circulation which will mean way too many football fans will know JAY-MISS is on a Hall of Fame statistical pace, which could mean he gets re-signed and remains a Buccaneer past 2019 AND WE CANNOT LET THAT HAPPEN!
Don’t worry though, I have a full game plan we can go over after our cuddle-time tonight!
WE WILL RUN JAY-MISS OUT OF TAMPA FOR WE ARE LEGION!!!!
August 10th, 2019 at 11:33 am
On BA…I take the same approach as I do with Winston…and anyone else. BA has not proved anything yet. He may just be great as needed for this team. I like how he is starting OVERALL but there are some things I’m not impressed with. Now, Winston’s going on five years of disappointing inconsistency–that’s what’s consistent, and that won’t work in the NFL as a franchise QB. You know, but are probably indenial Winston is just that…inconsistent. BA is in his first year–he will establish a track record over time too. And no, I will not attribute how Winston does this year to anyone but Winston. You should know that by now. Winston gets full credit for last night’s single drive TD series. He also gets credit for the other stuff he does–good or bad, which is why I maintain there is nothing different.
I’m not as shallow as your are….I look at results over time; I don’t pick and choose stats like you do. You should examine the world of ORSA and grab a clue along the way. I think you’d benefit and be better over it. There are literally a thousand variables to look at. Most of which we can’t control. That’s the first revelation in understanding stats..what variables can be isolated, what can’t be. I realize you don’t comprehend that, which is why all you have left is to attack, rant, accuse, etc, those who being more objective. I’ve already given you more attention warranted. Attack and cry away…
August 10th, 2019 at 11:48 am
@magadude, I love you cuddle-buddy!
I love your line about franchise QBs can’t be inconsistent, that’s a good one. Brett Favre was the picture of consistency for sure, so was Warren Moon and Dan Fouts and Eli Manning and Ben Roethlisberger.
In fact, Roethlisberger was so awesome that he single-handedly won a Super Bowl by having one of the worst QB games in the history of football! THAT is CONSISTENCY!
Make sure Buc fans know that if a 21-24 year old QB playing behind a bad O-Line with no run game is inconsistent it proves he’s not a franchise QB, that is pure logic at its best!
Keep doing the Lord’s work @magadude!
You’re doing great kid, no one can touch you, yeah!
WE WILL RUN JAY-MISS & HIS KIND OUT OF TAMPA FOR WE ARE LEGION!!!
August 10th, 2019 at 11:49 am
I’ve already said I hope the “author” doesn’t lose money on the book. Had to self-edit, self-publish, wrote (wierd) in the book that a family member stole $200K from him I think it was. Just terrible book all around. Anyone can put anything up for sale on Amazon. The Chinese love it. The book has been available for bulk sales since the beginning. Same comment stands on top 100 sports books. Sorry. I really don’t want to pop your bubble, but that’s not hard to claim…depending on how you spin the stats. Yes, I’m sure NFL Network will have the disguised author on a show to prove the false narratives very soon. LOL. Why not go stright to 60 Minutes and CNN? Right? Now, on bulk sales, knowing that Winston, if nothing else, is a very generous guy…I’d not put it past him to buy up copies to help the author out. And then give them away.. Or make cat litter. The author lining his pockets you say? Doubt it, but would hope that is true. As I’ve said, I don’t want him to be out money. Not my style.
I also hope those who may read the book don’t attribute the negative vibes it gives off to being how Winston feels about things. His play over this long season needs to speak for itself. He needs to distance himself big from the book. My opinion mind you. Attack away!
August 10th, 2019 at 12:03 pm
Magadude writes books on JBF …daily!
August 10th, 2019 at 12:04 pm
Clay Travis, please don’t ever stop. I am really enjoying this.
August 10th, 2019 at 12:05 pm
@magadude, either you didn’t actually read the book or you are lying.
Terrible books don’t get recommendations from NY Times Best-Selling authors (Jeff Pearlman), forewords from former NFL players, blurbs from former NFL trainers, contain era-adjusted original stats, etc.
I read the book and while it may tick Jameis-haters off, it’s extremely well-written and very clear whoever the author is, he’s written many traditionally published books before.
As for Jameis buying copies to have distributed but publicly distancing himself from the book so he doesn’t offend the reporters and journalists the book exposes … you might be 100% right on that.
You and @ClayTravis are a weird pair …
August 10th, 2019 at 12:08 pm
@PriMech54,
Thank you my buddy; maybe you can come over for cuddle-time tonight and meet @magadude and myself in person? We’d love to have another member of our “legion”.
The Joes deleted my last post for some reason but it’s probably because the Joes haven’t yet been infected with “Jameis Winston Derangement Syndrome”, but don’t worry, @magadude and I will convert them soon for we are doing the Lord’s work and cannot be stopped.
Pray for the Joes to start hating JAY-MISS like all wise Bucs fan do!!!
As for you @JulyJoe … SHUT UP! WE will run you off this site the way we will run JAY-MISS and his kind out of Tampa!
August 10th, 2019 at 1:00 pm
July/Clay…so an endorsement from another author who is supposedly successful proves the book isn’t bad? You really are messed up in your logic. I don’t think the book will tick crtics off. It didn’t me. I already know from many avenues people have different views and will try to spin things to make their argument. Most people know that or will see it. This “author” even goes as far as making up his own stat…which only makes the book more ridiculous as I see it. You should be thankful I bought it and read it.
August 10th, 2019 at 1:11 pm
Clay Travis what do mean about Jamies and his kind out of Tampa??? You see when I make comments about black quarterbacks yall love to say race card!!!! But that’s why the word was invented. Cause you can be a person like that and all you have to say is race card and that will hide your true feelings are it will put up a smoke screen to other people but not me I can read between the lines and I know what you really want to say . Lol lol lol
August 10th, 2019 at 2:13 pm
You tell em @Magadude, my cuddle-buddy, you tell em! That book is trash, any book that irrefutably proves JAY-MISS is on a Hall of Fame pace when compared to all other Hall of Fame QBs must be burned and banned!
And how dare the author invent a total turnover percentage stat, who does he think he is? Doesn’t he know that only ESPN can create stats? Doesn’t he know that it’s crazy to include fumbles with interceptions when guaging whether a QB is turnover prone or not? How dare he!
Keep doing the Lord’s work my beautiful cuddle-bunny!
You’re doing great kid, no one can touch you, yeah!
@Oneilbucs, join @magadude and I for cuddle time tonight and WE WILL DRIVE JAMEIS AND HIS KIND OUT OF TAMPA FOR WE ARE LEGION!!!!
August 10th, 2019 at 2:26 pm
Looked good on the first drive but the Steelers only had two starters other than Devin Bush in the game. Just saying.
August 10th, 2019 at 3:46 pm
That last sentence says it all. How can a turnaround like that occur with two new starters DRAFTED LAST YEAR (Rojo and Cappa) on offense that came up big in the running game that was non existent last year. Those players never got to play even though the GM wanted them to. Dirk Koetter great offensive mind terrible talent evaluator. Licht should have demanded they play.
August 10th, 2019 at 3:58 pm
@Nick2 “Licht should have demanded they play”.
I’m sure if Licht could do last season over again he would have done many things different, including forcing Fitz to play the entire Bears game, starting Jameis for the last 12 games and trading Fitz AND Desean Jackson at the deadline.
It’s a new year though and there’s a new captain of the ship, Bruce Arians.
August 10th, 2019 at 4:09 pm
Jameis looked pretty good last night
August 10th, 2019 at 6:22 pm
@clay,
What numbers did the author use , if any, to predict what the hall fame numbers will be in 10 to 15 yrs from now?
If I understand correctly the stats that were used to make the arguement for winston being on the trajectory for a hof career, is from QB’S who retired at least 10 years ago. Is that accurate?
If it is, then how long after winston retires and becomes eligible for the hof before he gets in? I’m assuming that the potential nominees selection list is going to be long..with 90% of veteran QBS statically in the mix..How do you see it playing out..
Please if would, please explain the situational similarities between fumbles and interceptions? Turnovers …creates a batch stat and it’s not creative or inventive to calculate the percentage totals….But it’s creative to understand fumbles and ints in that specific light. Do you know how the author was able to make a connection that’s been missed for years..
August 10th, 2019 at 7:39 pm
@D1…it’s really about what you’re trying to get of the argument, and you simply mix and miss a lot…and then bang…your point it made. But if you throw in some scripture on the side, maybe a quote from Malcom X, and make a new stat up, you are beyond reproach. Oh, those mean “false narratives” like you create here. Here’s an example in the book. One sports writer predicts in the draft that the Bucs will draft a QB. I know, some sports writers have a tendancy to write things that don’t always come true–shame on their opinion, speculation, huh? Guys that do that are “haters,” plain and simple. Like (the real) Clay Travis had the audacity to block the author on Twitter because the author was apparently harrassing him (my take). So he’s now called sacrosanct. Jenna Laine s writes a snip on Winston’s baby’s arrival, and in closing remarks comments about Winston being suspended and parting ways with his agents. That’s called “reprensible” to write, as that would never happen to Brady, after all, right. Or Sports Illustrated and Sportsnet put out opinion pieces for why the Bucs should move on from Winston. FALSE NARRATIVE!!! And then with that, put out a few more numbers showing some yards, add the examples of those terrible people’s opinion…and another bible verse here and there, and I got a book for you! That’s the way the whole book reads as I saw it. Still, I do recommend you get a copy. You will see why questions like yours cannot really be answered. And you shall instead be met with attacks on you for daring to call that stuff out, to question anything. Which is why it’s interesting to read, but also why Winston should keep his distance and just let his play this year speak for itself. I thought they should have moved on end of 2017, I know that stats can be manipulated…and for that, I deserve to be villified! LOL.
August 10th, 2019 at 7:50 pm
Those so called fans who have adopted the national narrative about how Jameis has not improved as a QB for the last four years need to STFU. Those folks can’t even get that our other “starting” TE ‘s surname is Brate not BRAT.
C’mon! Take a long hard look at Winston. Look at all facets of his career. Really look at his stats so far. Look at his demeanor during the rest of this preseason.
He looked even better than he did in those last few games of last year.
In BA I trust!
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Go Bucs!!!
August 10th, 2019 at 8:20 pm
Hey Magadude
What are you … some kinda troll?
Jameis is a top 32 QB in the NFL! …. Oh! ….. Duh! …. #-O ….. 😀
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Go Bucs!!!
August 10th, 2019 at 8:27 pm
Senile Senior…what are you, some kind of Marxist?
August 10th, 2019 at 8:43 pm
Sieg Hiel, Comrade! …. (-:
August 10th, 2019 at 8:45 pm
That’s a Roger!
Sieg Hiel, Comrade!
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Go Bucs!!!
Over and out!
August 10th, 2019 at 10:34 pm
Senile, his name is MagaDude. You think he is going to support a black QB!
August 11th, 2019 at 4:59 am
TDTB….I have and do support a QB of any color. That doesn’t matter. Parnell Dickinson, Doug Williams, Byron Leftwich, Josh Freeman are our three starting QBs that were black that come to mind. I might have missed some.
You couldn’t go a week without throwin the race card down, could you? Why is it that you see a guy like Winston who’s had consistency issues on the field and character questions as well…and those who bring that stuff up as reasons for not supporting him as a long term QB, have some kind of racist bent? Do you think that lowly of minorities that such qualities are a package deal? Are you really that full of ignorance?
August 11th, 2019 at 8:15 am
No, your maga dude himself is a racist so if you love him so much to put his dog whistle into your screen name on a sports blog seems like a good chance you agree with his views. You comment negatively every time Winston is brought up too. I will give you credit though. Trump would probably tell him to go back to his s hole country. You just want him out of Tampa.
August 11th, 2019 at 9:24 am
Wow. Reading through all these comments…apparently some grown-ass men are having their periods at the same time.
Happens.
August 11th, 2019 at 10:00 am
@D1
You’re asking the wrong guy to support THE BOOK:
JAMEIS WINSTON DERANGEMENT SYNDROME:
How the Media Causes Us to Overlook the Start of a Hall of Fame NFL Career
I am 100% with my beloved cuddle-buddy @magadude in my hatred of THAT BOOK, as it proves JAY-MISS is on a statistical Hall of Fame pace and is the most slandered QB in NFL history, and WE don’t want anyone to know that!
To answer your question though, no, the author doesn’t only compare JAY-MISS to QBs who retired 10 years ago, as Rodgers, both Mannings, Brady, Big Ben, Rivers and Brees are all included in all the stat tables as “locks for the Hall of Fame”. There are also many charts comparing Jameis in one way or another to other present QBs.
The author uses era-adjusted stats to compare the players which eliminates the problems with just using counting number stats, but even when everything is era-adjusted, JAY-MISS still comes out looking great when compared to ALL the other QBs and THAT is what @maga and I hate about the book and why we want it banned and every copy burned!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I fully approve of @maga making it sound like the book is trash, because if he were to tell everyone the truth that it’s irrefutable, WE would be in trouble!
WE WILL RUN JAY-MISS OUT OF TAMPA FOR WE ARE LEGION!!!!
August 11th, 2019 at 11:10 am
@D1, says “I’m assuming that the potential nominees selection list is going to be long..with 90% of veteran QBS statically in the mix..How do you see it playing out…”
You would assume correctly, which is why you won’t get an answer. Only more attacks. This is where some can’t handle logic but just throw back more useless stats–part of the whole picture, ignore logic. What stands to benefit Winston most is for him to play lights out, keep is nose clean for the year, and have tangible, meaningful results over a period of time. Those who shout down his critics are not helpful. So, I challenge you…buy and read the book, and see how that even moreso, your reasonable questions get responded to here. You will have more questions after reading than you do going in, at least I did. Time gear up for practice today. Go Bucs!
August 11th, 2019 at 11:54 am
@D1, says “I’m assuming that the potential nominees selection list is going to be long..with 90% of veteran QBS statically in the mix..How do you see it playing out…”
No, most vet QBs will NOT be in the mix for the Hall of Fame, as it’s not just about counting numbers but all about how one stacks up to their peers. That is why the book is loaded with ERA-ADJUSTED stats.
If one simply looks at mere counting numbers, one could make the case that Jay Cutler should be in the Hall of Fame; that would be stupid.
The book could have made Jameis look like the best QB ever if all it did was look at mere counting numbers, but instead it examines the era-adjusted stats and simply slots Jameis in where he slots in. Sometimes he’ll come in 1st, other times 7th, other times 18th, etc.
Read the book and decide for yourself whether you like it or not, but one thing is certain, you won’t be able to refute the book as you can’t argue with accurate statistical truth.
@Maga is right about one thing though. Of course what benefits Jameis, as well as every other QB and player on earth, is to “play lights out”, keep their nose clean and have meaningful results. Those are captain obvious statements
One more thing … you don’t even need to be a Jameis or Bucs fan to enjoy the book, as the era-adjusted stats of all the Hall of Fame QBs are fun to see. It’s awesome to see how a guy like Ken Stabler compares to Warren Moon or how Montana compares to Brady, etc.
August 11th, 2019 at 12:27 pm
Some more thoughts…take it as sage advice: Avoid misappropriation liabilty, especially impersonation.
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And:
Calling out the bogus above: “The book could have made Jameis look like the best QB ever if all it did was look at mere counting numbers, but instead it examines the era-adjusted stats and simply slots Jameis in where he slots in. Sometimes he’ll come in 1st, other times 7th, other times 18th, etc.”
Read the book and decide for yourself whether you like it or not, but one thing is certain, you won’t be able to refute the book as you can’t argue with accurate statistical truth.”
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As said all along, I don’t think the issue is refuting the accuracy of the stats, it’s what is missing. Using incomplete stats to make an argument, or the ones use to conclude things that are easily refuted, is really no different than not telling the truth. That’s ONE problem. Nothing is more “Captain Obvious” than spewing some numbers while ignoring others…because they don’t make your case.
August 11th, 2019 at 12:49 pm
@magadude,
Your first “thought” is silly and I’ll happily ignore it.
As for your final paragraph, it’s cute but means nothing. Again, if the author wanted to show Jameis was the greatest he could have done that by picking choosing meaningless stats to focus on, yet that is not at all what the book does, which can be easily understood if you actually read it and aren’t just a troll, as Jameis “slots in” at 18th or 20th or whatever in many sections, which would not happen if the book was merely cherry-picking stats to make him look good.
If you’ve read the book at all, you’ll know that it’s Dan Marino that comes out looking like a QB god in the book, not Jameis. It’s also Kurt Warner and Ben Roetlisberger who look amazing when all the stats are compared, though we all know Warner quickly fell off a cliff after his 4th year.
It’s very obvious you hate Jameis and therefore hate the book, that or you just enjoy lying and being deceptive, as anyone who actually reads the book will know you’re not telling the truth about it.
If you want misleading stats, just hop on Twitter and type in any QBs name and you can see hundreds of tweets focused on one mere stat like YPA or something just as silly, but this book uses a ton of stats and just slots Jameis in where he slots on … there’s nothing misleading and no cherry-picking involved in that sort of research and data.
August 11th, 2019 at 12:58 pm
Oh my, that’s classic.
>>>”It’s very obvious you hate Jameis and therefore hate the book, that or you just enjoy lying and being deceptive, as anyone who actually reads the book will know you’re not telling the truth about it.”
“there’s nothing misleading and no cherry-picking involved in that sort of research and data.”
“Again, if the author wanted to show Jameis was the greatest he could have done that by picking choosing meaningless stats to focus on, yet that is not at all what the book does…”
We will just disagree on that. Convenient to ignore so much isn’t it? You keep saying that, but that doesn’t make it true. You haven’t been paying attention have you? I know, you are still catching up.
Attack away!
August 11th, 2019 at 2:53 pm
@maga,
Every word I typed about the book in my last post was true and your entire reply above simply reads as:
“I have no reply and can’t refute a word you say, so I’ll just copy and paste your words and then insult you”.
Enjoy watching Will Grier hold a clip-board in Carolina while wishing he was the Bucs QB.
August 11th, 2019 at 6:56 pm
Hey Magadude. Most of the clowns on this site are far left leaning liberals. This lends itself to non acceptance of any views that do not match their own. Pretty sad
August 11th, 2019 at 7:20 pm
Shucks I don’t care about that stuff. Just to clarify, my “maga” was given to me long before our current Prez announced his campaign. It is amusing when people assume to know my politics and spew their hate. Love it. I just think it’s a shame we don’t have dinosaurs anymore to eat the stupid. That would really save us on tax credits and also keep us on fossil fuels. Better watch out though…they will accuse you and I of being one guy with multiple screen names. They can’t believe more than one guy in the world would not want Winston as their QB after four rough years. Then play up a book that takes aim at the multitudes that do not…wishy washy. Not really very bright.
August 12th, 2019 at 2:59 am
The Famous Jameis Show!
August 12th, 2019 at 10:02 am
@magadude,
You have been shown to have more than one screen name and the very fact that you say Winston has had “four rough years” proves you either aren’t very bright or that you’re merely an anti-Winston troll as his first two years were legendary statistically speaking (ONLY QB in NFL history to start career with two straight 4,000 yard passing seasons, youngest pro Bowl QB ever, etc) and in his 3rd season he led the NFL in 300 yard passing games despite paying just 11 full games.
You have proven time and time again to have no clue what you’re talking about, but carry on, as you’re always good for a laugh.
August 12th, 2019 at 11:11 am
I have been shown to what? No, not true at all. I have been accused of that, among other bogus stuff. What are the other screen names? This should be good.
August 12th, 2019 at 11:36 am
“You have been shown to have more than one screen name and the very fact that you say Winston has had “four rough years” proves you either aren’t very bright or that you’re merely an anti-Winston troll as his first two years were legendary statistically speaking (ONLY QB in NFL history to start career with two straight 4,000 yard passing seasons, youngest pro Bowl QB ever, etc) and in his 3rd season he led the NFL in 300 yard passing games despite paying just 11 full games.”
First, I have one screen name on this site, ever…and it is the only site I post on. Second, by “four rough years” I do not mean it is ll about stats. Results drive the world, not stats. Winston has been the center of many bad things with the team by his doing or just by association, since before he got here. I am not talking about “statistically speaking”. Get over yourself on that. If you can’t tie the numbers to results, you fail…like your book.
So tell me…name ONE other screen name I use here, or anywhere for that matter.