“I Think That’s Something I’m Going To Have To Be Comfortable With Taking”
August 24th, 2019
One thing is certain at One Buc Palace.
Bucco Bruce Arians and Jason Licht made a decision this season to not let Jameis Winston be Jameis Winston.
We’ve heard about it in various forms. Just play quarterback, Jameis, and leave all the rah-rah stuff and the face-of-the-franchise stuff until later. That will magically work itself out. It feels like Arians and Licht don’t think Jameis can handle playing QB, being himself and filling his full role in Year 5 of his NFL career, which is disturbing on its own.
Often, a great way to mess up a good player is to push him to change who he is at the core. And it feels like the Bucs have done that with Jameis a bit.
Of course, some might argue Jameis isn’t “a good player,” but Joe isn’t in that camp. However, it’s easy to agree that just being a good quarterback isn’t enough in a pass-happy league designed to keep great quarterbacks winning Super Bowls.
Last night on the Bucs-Browns TV broadcast, a clip of a pregame Jameis interview was aired and showed America’s Quarterback talking about Gerald McCoy in deep, loving tones.
“Gerald was a very spiritual leader and I think that’s something I’m going to have to be comfortable with taking,” Jameis said.
Perhaps Jameis is talking about how McCoy led a gameday prayer group for a handful of players. Joe’s not sure. But it sounded more like Jameis is thinking about taking a role that he wants but perhaps those above him might not fully approve of.
Yeah, everything ultimately comes down to winning games, but Joe would rather see Jameis be himself completely, and win at the same time. That’s the guy Bucs officials drafted and lauded for years.
Joe just not sure this year’s different, organization-approved presentation of Jameis is going to serve him well long term.
August 24th, 2019 at 6:03 pm
I place zero weight on the McCoy thing…. I evaluate Jameis on passing plays … throwing out the plays when the OL or something else goes wrong… so when Jameis takes the snap and ends up throwing the ball. For instance he has had 2 deep balls one in the 1st game and one last night where the WR was 1 on 1 with a DB and had the DB beat , instead of throwing the ball to the right or left where the WR could run under it, Jameis throws directly in line with the WR’s track… in other words throw the already open WR even more open
August 24th, 2019 at 6:04 pm
Jameis be himself completely, and win at the same time…..
4 years and still waiting. Last year it was DJax fault. This year it might be Perriman’s fault.
Poor millionaire Jameis. He has it so difficult.
Do your job! Emulate no one!
Simple as that!
August 24th, 2019 at 6:05 pm
Seems like every year jameis gives the same interview on what he needs to do to get mo better.
Not knocking just saying
August 24th, 2019 at 6:09 pm
Wouldn’t just be easier to draft a new QB?????????
2019 will reveal answers to the sheep, that the “real” fans already know!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
August 24th, 2019 at 6:10 pm
Jeez, year 5 for the overall number 1 pick. Average at best. Unlikely to get a whole lot better. How much more can we coddle him? Jay Miss is Jay Miss.
August 24th, 2019 at 6:11 pm
I find it interesting that the default “Pro Bowler, America’s QB” is missing from this piece……could it be that putting Jameis on that pedestal is a place where he should have never been.
I’m a Jameis supporter…..but I trust Arians & Co’s judgement that Jameis needs to settle down, mature and not try to be “America’s QB”…..
August 24th, 2019 at 6:12 pm
Looks like joe is going to use this excuse when the season is over after week 6
August 24th, 2019 at 6:13 pm
If Jameis wants to emulate someone he should take notes from Mike Evans. He turn things around in a hurry. Hats off to Mike. He is a great role model for Jameis.
August 24th, 2019 at 6:15 pm
I say well and good. Here is another way of seeing Winston’s situation.
After a couple of years of damping down the “natural” Jameis then let the gunslinger emerge. After he gets the good habits of game manager and excellent decision maker then he can emerge as a franchise “superstar” QB. He has the innate potential for this.
Why?
I like to compare Jameis to a Hall of Fame QB named Bret Favre. He can have a better career that of Brett in one very clear way. He has the opportunity ahead, under the right circumstances, to end a reasonably long career with 3 or 4 Super Bowl rings rather than just the one as Brett has.
August 24th, 2019 at 6:16 pm
He can have a better career than that of Brett …
August 24th, 2019 at 6:17 pm
This town has completely neutered this kid while simultaneously drooling over every inappropriate cocky action Baker Mayfield makes. Gee I wonder why?
It doesn’t seem to matter who’s playing or coaching this team always looks overmatch, dazed and confused.
Can’t wait until Winston leaves this town and for me it can’t happen soon enough. Raiders are getting a lot more playing time at my man cave and Carr is complete garbage maybe the Tampa faithful would love a trade? I understand Carr is a MEGAFANS too and he sucks so match made in heaven.
August 24th, 2019 at 6:17 pm
A prayer never won a single football game. stop with the nonsense and win football games nothing else matters
August 24th, 2019 at 6:18 pm
Well let’s be honest this is a make or break year for Jameis. I really am pulling for him and hope he does well. So hear something to think about. If the Bucs somehow win 6 to 8 games this season I thinks it’s a very high percentage Jameis is franchised as much as fans don’t want to see him anymore. Now honestly I can only see 6 wins with this offensive line. If he plays well but the bucs go 6-10 I would like to see the Bucs tag him and with that top 5 pick possibly trade it to another QB need team you have two 1st round picks and 2 2nd round picks and a future 1st the following draft. With those 4 picks that’s a rebuilt offensive line and a top tier pass rusher and another top end LB or RB. Watching yesterday’s game I see some flaws but he never had time to set his feet and throw. I hope when it’s a deep ball he will stop staring the receiver down. I really hope when the regular season starts that the play calling is used to everyone’s strengths. Jameis is quick passes and intermediate routes under 20 yards. I think he would be deadly and to take a page from Tom Brady he scans the field but the ball is coming out very quick if his first read is not their he has is check down on alert when progressing through his reads.
August 24th, 2019 at 6:18 pm
Hey all you Dalvin Cook naysayers, he just took one 85 yards. Talk about what could’ve been. How you like them apples awduck a.k.a blake. Shoulder looked perfectly fine on that play smart guy.
August 24th, 2019 at 6:20 pm
You say all this,
“It feels like Arians and Licht don’t think Jameis can handle playing QB, being himself and filling his full role in Year 5 of his NFL career, which is disturbing on its own.”
.. but you were the ones who put out the narrative that Fitz had to go so Jameis doesn’t feel like he has to look over his shoulders. little hypocritical don’t ya think? Actually, that was Bruce Arians who put that out there after he said he was all in favor of keeping Fitz. https://www.joebucsfan.com/2019/01/bruce-arians-theres-no-doubt-ryan-fitzpatrick-will-be-an-asset/ –Joe
August 24th, 2019 at 6:22 pm
Winston’s best season was his rookie year before he was infected by the lames that are tamponians.
August 24th, 2019 at 6:31 pm
J miss needs to concern him self with committing less turnovers and actually winning games. Period. We don’t need him W ANYTHING extra on his plate
August 24th, 2019 at 6:37 pm
These guys are jokes, you dont appoint leaders….. Leaders rise up. “I want to be the spiritual leader” GTFO
As long as theyre making money i guess.
Also TIM MCGRAW?! i heard the radio announce it as “country hip hop star” dude did one song with nelly in 2004. The demographic that this team is trying to target is the worst sports demo in the natuon.
Another losing decade is on the horizon… As long as the falcons and packers necer win a super bowl again ill be happy.
August 24th, 2019 at 6:52 pm
Fortysomething chicks. LOL
The thirtysomething chicks go bananas for Taylor Swift, Justin Timberlake and the Backside Boys.
The twentysomething chicks freak out over Luke Bryan.
August 24th, 2019 at 6:55 pm
Defense will be better
I know it’s preseason but don’t forget vea and Lavonte haven’t even played yet.
With Lavonte on the field , Devin white can relax and play faster
This defense could be fun to watch
May lack sack totals but pressure (blitzing) and clogging up the middle with Vea / Suh will be interesting
…Jameis won’t have to score 25-30 to win like in years past
We may not win pretty but who cares.
Still think around 8-8
Still think bucs make a move on oline at right guard or right tackle
August 24th, 2019 at 6:56 pm
That’s what they act like 40 something year old chicks
August 24th, 2019 at 6:58 pm
@Joe … “Joe would rather see Jameis be himself completely, and win at the same time.” Ya, that’s the ticket Jameis; you just ‘be yourself.” Listen to Joe & disregard what BA, Byron, Clyde & Tom are trying to ‘fix’. No problemo, surely you’ll get on with some team next year guaranteed if you take that approach. It just won’t be the Bucs.
August 24th, 2019 at 7:05 pm
I am being 100% serious let’s just cut him and move on right now. That way everyone can see for certain that the issues here are not him. Then we can draft a QB high next year and have the exact same issues, cause if you can’t run the ball at all and are constantly playing from 2nd and 3rd and long you will not win. Plus while I will always want the Bucs to win first and foremost, it would be a cool story to see him succeed and shut everyone up. These people want this perfect person/player that does not and will not exist. They expect someone to do everything by himself, make a play with no time, score each week with 0:00 on the clock so a defense can’t blow it, score a passing TD each drive so the kicker can’t miss a FG, at all times hold the ball while trying to make plays under extreme duress, never throw a off target pass despite the defense bringing heat cause they know what is coming due to down and distance, and of course do all this while saving kittens Monday through Saturday and of course be from each of their almaters so they can be proud of “their” guy. Let’s just move on and see what happens I’m sure it will go extremely well. I’m out till week one mainly because you all make me sick.
August 24th, 2019 at 7:05 pm
“Joe would rather see Jameis be himself completely, and win at the same time. That’s the guy Bucs officials drafted and lauded for years.”
Actually, the Bucs wanted to draft a QB who was a great football player, leader, local favorite, and who would make his community proud while selling tickets and winning games. They wanted someone to be the face of the frachise, the brand. Is that too much?
Too many people think if he’s a great football player, that’s enough. But he’s good and not even great, and probably never will be. So I would agree they took a guy and tried to make him into something he’s not. And what he is will not be they wanted him to be. Frankly, they should have seen that when he was in college and I think they just hoped he’d change because they were despaarate. But I figured that out at the end ’17 and was ready to move then. So now here is left the frantic push to change this, change that. That is on the Bucs, but let’s be clear…Winston has NOT helped himself.
And I don’t think GMC has anthing to do with it. Back to “just play football and the rest will itself out.” Not really. BA is clearly a football coach, and that’s about it. But he is right; if Winston doesn’t play NOW and play GREAT NOW the rest doesn’t matter because he will be GONE.
I’ve been saying all year the clock is ticking, and that he may not have enough time to get to where they want him (where he needs to be as the franchise guy) because of what HE heaped on HIMSELF. Welcome! Some are starting to get it.
I feel sorry for Winston in that regard, but it’s time this experiment ends. There are too many other problems on this team to fix.
We do have lame Apologist excuse #36: “They aren’t letting Winston be himself!” Whatever the he11 that is supposed to mean.
August 24th, 2019 at 7:07 pm
I guess I posted this way too early in another thread today:
DoooshLaRue Says:
August 24th, 2019 at 2:55 pm
Yes, great list Maga.
I’ll add that I almost threw up when watching the interview with “The Soiled Messiah” when he referenced Softie93 being the “spiritual leader” of the team and now that he’s gone, that role was going to have to fall to him….
No one needs to hear your half-hearted gibberish…. chock full of misstated cliches!
STFU and focus on your game man!!
F@ck
August 24th, 2019 at 7:09 pm
ndog
Your “cut him now” diatribe is truly sad.
I almost shed a real tear…….
August 24th, 2019 at 7:15 pm
Canes vs gators baby !
Nothing better then football
August 24th, 2019 at 7:24 pm
Go Canes!
August 24th, 2019 at 7:49 pm
I think Ndog is being a little harsh. Winston should get til the end of this year to be who he needs to be–that is, what the Bucs organization want him to be, or he will be whatever somewhere else. Looking back to the 2015 draft…if the Glazers could do it all over knowing what they’ve seen and been through since…would they still draft Winston? (Should have taken a DE).
August 24th, 2019 at 7:50 pm
Ndog I feel you bro !! I’m tired of it as well this fan base don’t know nothing about football. All they see is Jamies and I really think they want this kid to fail. This ain’t about the bucs wining football games. It’s about Jamies failing cause they never wanted Jamies here anyway. This fan base really want a white quarterback and that’s why when Jamies played good the first 2 games they said it was just preseason. And now cause a bad offensive line he struggled just like every other quarterback with a bad line and now it’s a big deal. I’m ready to move on from Jamies as well so we can talk about the real problem with this team.
August 24th, 2019 at 7:52 pm
Joe, would be interesting to see a weekly poll about Wednesday after every game (give time for “voters” to shake off the post-game raw emotion win or lose and reflect):
Has Jameis Winston earned a second contract with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers?
August 24th, 2019 at 7:57 pm
magadude
You apparently don’t know Ndog well enough
He is throwing a tantrum like a grown baby That’s his childish saracasm
Of course Jameis gets this year . Unless oline gets him killed.
He will likely be franchised next year at least even if same kind of ups and downs …cause arians likes him and Arians is GM
Ndog doesn’t like criticism of Jameis
He thinks Jameis if Jesus Christ walking the earth in FSU gear
Literally perfect . No flaws. The fifth element if you like movies
Point the finger at everyone / everything except Jameis
Even said fitz was trash cause he was not a good teammate and split the lockeroom cause the coach chose to go with fitz. And fitz wore DJax gear , the sworn enemy of Jameis …the joker to his Batman
August 24th, 2019 at 7:58 pm
Maybe they just want him to grow up and be a mature leader. It’s a huge part of it and it don’t matter how talented he is if he continues acting immature like he has in the past he will fail as a leader which is the most important thing.
The good news is that he has shown signs of growing into the leader he needs to be. We will see if he keeps it up and how it translates this season.
August 24th, 2019 at 8:02 pm
Whatever he’s done over the last 56 games hasn’t worked
So try something new
August 24th, 2019 at 8:05 pm
“If you continue to do what you’ve always done, you’ll continue to get what you’ve always gotten.”
Jameis hasn’t met expectations so they had no choice but to change him.
August 24th, 2019 at 8:07 pm
BucsBandit
Jameis has not met expectations funny I’ve heard your husband saying the same thing about you….
August 24th, 2019 at 8:09 pm
@Ndog
What you fail to understand are NFL economics.
Cutting Winston and going in a different direction (if Jameis for sure can’t get it done this year) *IS* the best thing for the team.
Do you have any idea how much you can improve a team with a saved $25M-$30M cap space?
This is the exact reason why if Jameis isn’t 100% going to get it done the team has to move on. No choice.
August 24th, 2019 at 8:40 pm
Bucsbandit what do that mean get it done???? Get it done it requires a hold team not just a quarterback.
August 24th, 2019 at 8:49 pm
Actually I somewhat agree with the idea that the coaches attempts to “fix” Jameis are not bearing fruit. Jameis seems confused and unsettled. Well, one half of play is not enough to judge, but that’s what I see so far. And I also see several posters urging him to play the short ball, but that’s not Arian’s style, is it?
August 24th, 2019 at 8:53 pm
Most of your recent comments are malicious attacks on JoeBucsFan.com. Please find another comment area out there to share your disdain for this website. –Joe
August 24th, 2019 at 9:10 pm
Who is your quarterback then? And if you are drafting, sooner or later you will have to pay $30 million+ unless you let that guy walk too. Not too many teams succeed playing musical quarterbacks.
But, you and Alter and the rest of your clan will be too busy painting the ceiling that you ran Jameis out of town. Mazel tov!
August 24th, 2019 at 9:19 pm
No need. Just ask yourself after 2019 if there is a better quarterback available.
Of course, you want Blaine Gabbert as quarterback. We all know why.
August 24th, 2019 at 9:21 pm
Joe wrote,
“Actually, that was Bruce Arians who put that out there after he said he was all in favor of keeping Fitz. https://www.joebucsfan.com/2019/01/bruce-arians-theres-no-doubt-ryan-fitzpatrick-will-be-an-asset/ –Joe”
Sorry Joe, I went back and read the article you gave me and nowhere did I get the impression he was worried about Fitz being a distraction or being JW’s boogeyman. Joe wasn’t trying to sell you with that old post, merely put it in there because many people don’t believe Arians ever said that. Later, Arians made it clear he didn’t want Jameis looking over his shoulder. –Joe After his quotes you injected or surmised your feeling on it. It doesn’t matter Joe’s gonna do what Joe wants to do, and it’s impossible for me to win an argument in a comments section. Sometimes I get my panties twisted but I do appreciate all you guys do. Salute
August 24th, 2019 at 9:28 pm
Joe…did you mean “klan” or “clan”? Dang, calling folks the klan?
To be honest, you should know by early in the fourth year if you want to pay a guy $30M+. That got sidetracked by a misconduct suspension–but yes…if whoever the next guy is…if he isn’t cutting it by then, he gets launched. The Glazers are probably prudent AND generous by not having him locked up for much much more but still giving him a chance.
August 24th, 2019 at 9:32 pm
“Of course, you want Blaine Gabbert as quarterback. We all know why.”
WHY is that?
I have never said that. In fact, just yesterday I wrote I can’t see playing any stretch with Gabbert. Last week I was emphatically all over Arians for even bringing him in.
Dumbazz comment like that, Joe, with use of “Klan” against Bandit. Man!
August 24th, 2019 at 9:42 pm
Dang joe
Race To 10 was a huge Jameis guy
He must have said something bad
August 24th, 2019 at 9:53 pm
Andrew Luck retiring. Jameis Winston still playing.
Lol
August 24th, 2019 at 10:15 pm
Andre luck playing checkers
Jameis plays chess with dapostman
August 24th, 2019 at 10:34 pm
Actually, I look at their efforts as a health support of Jameis. Jameis has a lot of natural leadership ability. However, sometimes in an effort to be a leader…he eats Ws or gets himself so fired up that it takes him until the second half to settle down and play the game. I think they are telling him to let it happen naturally and not force leadership.
August 24th, 2019 at 10:41 pm
Jamarcus Winston will be out of football in two years. DEAL WITH THIS!!
August 24th, 2019 at 10:41 pm
@Bird,
You know it!
August 24th, 2019 at 10:56 pm
Andrew Luck is a bust !!! Didn’t live up to the hype. He’s gotten every pass you can a quarterback.
August 24th, 2019 at 11:15 pm
We have all that there is of Jameis. He was great with Dalvin and a loaded team, so was Tebow. He can make an occasional long ball but not regularly. He can hit a check down receiver once in a while.
The game moves faster than he can and i don’t see any improvement so far this season.
Maybe he will surise me, but I doubt it.
August 24th, 2019 at 11:17 pm
Maga seems more mentally challenged than Winston imo.
Get help somewhere.
Is it OCD?
August 25th, 2019 at 1:18 am
@Joe – so your answer is to pay a mediocre, currently about 24th ranked NFL QB, a $30M+/year salary? LOL.
As far as “Who is your QB?” they have to go out and find one. Either draft one they can develop or Vet that can manage things and at least not cost the team wins (a la Brad Johnson).
What’s the alternative? Pay an underachieving Jameis Winston $30M+ per year? LOL. That would be dumb.
Winning in the NFL is all about Salary Cap Management, period.
And don’t give me this “You have to eventually pay your QB $30M/year” NO you don’t. You don’t pay your QB $30/year unless you have a proven Top 10 starting QB. Anything less than that is…
…BAD MATH.
So again… Yes, I said it… The Bucs are IDIOTS if they pay Winston $30M+/year if he’s mediocre. They’re better off trying to find someone that can get the job done for much less.
August 25th, 2019 at 5:27 am
Jameis will be fine. Suck it haters.
August 25th, 2019 at 7:15 am
One problem on this piece. JW is not even a “good player”. He sucks on and off the field.
August 25th, 2019 at 9:51 am
This is the is the same conversation basically every year with jameis.
This is the year. Let’s me tell u. He is who he is. Sorry Denny Green
August 25th, 2019 at 10:11 am
He’s a train wreck. On the field. Off the field. And in the locker room. MOVE ON…while you can still get something for him, like a 3rd rounder from the Colts.
August 25th, 2019 at 10:21 am
Maybe if the good Rev. Jameis , could try and focus on being a QB..instead of hyping his spiritual leader persona…what a hypocritical crock of $hit.
August 25th, 2019 at 11:36 am
BucBandit, Joe, JBFers,
Fun Fact: Reigning MVP quarterback Patrick Mahomes consumes slightly more than 2% of his teams salary cap!
I agree that changing a player from his core may not work out but, can he continue on the trajectory that he has been on throughout ALL of his playing days?
This evaluation is somewhat encouraging. The QB whisperer may actually see #3 w/o pewter-colored glasses! Professionals and intelligent people alike, should do this. This gives me a glimmer of hope that if #3 underperforms (doesn’t light-it-up) this year that, they might consider a QB early in the rich QB draft class of 2020. Just maybe!
August 25th, 2019 at 6:55 pm
Still dont get the Americas QB thing. If we had a choice a would rather have Fitz magic. At least he was fun.
August 25th, 2019 at 9:06 pm
Please Joe..we don’t even know Jameis will be a starting QB in the league…long term. He lives for the homerun ball but can’t deliver it accurately, while passing up open guys underneath. That..is the biggest problem.