Bruce Arians: Jameis Still Learning In The Red Zone
August 27th, 2019
Opening day is in 12 short days, and Bucs fans might want to dial back their 2019 expectations for a huge offensive explosion, especially after hearing Bucco Bruce Arians on national radio yesterday.
The head coach usually is flowing with effusive praise for America’s Quarterback, Jameis Winston. But that wasn’t the case yesterday.
CBS Sports Radio host Tiki Barber noted on the air that Jameis screwed up in the red zone against the Browns, and then Barber served up an open-ended softball to Arians. “Where are you with Jameis Winston?”
“I’m fine,” Arians replied.
“I mean, I think it’s still in the learning process in those [red zone] situations. You know, he hangs on some touchdowns; he’s got some [receivers] that can win. And he kind of hangs on them a little bit too long instead of just taking the underneath. That one in the red zone, you know, we had an empty set and he thought that post was going to come open and he missed the underneath throw to get the first down. So he ends up sacking himself. Those things I think are just growing pains.”
The “I’m fine” response made Joe take pause. There was almost a tiny hint of exasperation in Arians’ tone.
As for Jameis being in a learning curve with his new coaches and scheme, Joe gets it and expected it. Still, Jameis is missing on basics that were drilled into him by his previous coaching staff. That’s a little concerning with a veteran quarterback so close to opening day.
Next up, the 49ers before a home crowd that’s absolutely aching for a victory and won’t accept anything less.
August 27th, 2019 at 4:40 am
Trade Brate, place JPP on IR and shore up the damned OL.
Otherwise, Winston’s development will be arrested.
Not like Uber-arrested…you know what I mean.
August 27th, 2019 at 4:43 am
Where on the field is he not still suffering growing pains? 5 years of growing pains.
“He ends up sacking himself” – well that seems counter productive
BA and his golf cart are here to participate in seeing he doesn’t sack himself.
August 27th, 2019 at 5:11 am
Oh, no! The coach said one thing that was not effusive praise for America’s Uber Crotch Grabber! The pick was a mistake! We should have taken Matiotta! We are going to lose every game! That’s the only interpretation we can possibly derive from this comment! Tiki is the Barbara Walters of football with the probing question! Tua Watch!
August 27th, 2019 at 5:13 am
Year 5 he must learn to take what the D gives you in the red zone, don’t lose TDS to FG taking sacks or forcing throws
August 27th, 2019 at 5:25 am
It’s not the type of criticisms you want to hear about a 5th year QB, for sure. Having said that, they knew who they drafted in the first place. I’m not expecting Jameis to change much. If we are to be successful, it’s what’s around him that needs to be better. We are not a good enough team to get into shoot-outs and expect to emerge victorious.
This redzone thing though! You can’t win games without scoring TDs. FGs are not enough. Clean it up.
Less Jameis=more wins!
August 27th, 2019 at 5:54 am
Agree with Todd that trading Brate for an offensive lineman is in order. If they had drafted Risnor instead of Murphy-Bunting it wouldn’t be as desperate right now. Still need a real RB1 too.
August 27th, 2019 at 5:59 am
I’m actually not too worried with Jameis at the moment. I’d love to see BA accept the fact that Jameis isn’t a deep-ball-guy and game-plan accordingly. Play to Jameis’ strengths! The deep ball just ain’t one of them.
That being said, I’m horrified by the prospects of going into the regular season with the current O-Line. Horrified.
August 27th, 2019 at 6:04 am
@TDTB
@Todd
Noooooooooooo!!!!! Jameis’ two “safety valve” guys were Humphries and Brate! We lost Humphries; We cannot afford to lose Brate, too! Jameis NEEDS those safety valve guys or he will start making dumb decisions trying to force it to down-the-field receivers in heavy traffic.
August 27th, 2019 at 6:13 am
Better defense and a worse offense incoming.
But we stay in the basement.
It’s a bucs life.
August 27th, 2019 at 6:20 am
“Exasperation”……welcome to Tampa Bay, Mr. Arians. We’ve all felt the same way about the crotch grabber since March 2015.
August 27th, 2019 at 6:30 am
But BA has known jameis since he was 12 and knew that jameis would be an nfl great at 12 years old. I mean BA was the guy building the AZ cardinals into the worst team in the NFL. Wish these qb and offensive gurus would be more hands on #3 in 2019 as opposed to 2004
August 27th, 2019 at 6:48 am
No comment…
August 27th, 2019 at 6:52 am
The only remaining hope with Winston is for him to find success in a different way then he’s used to. High school, FSU….lots of glory moments from chunking the ball down the field after running around and extending plays. From a stats perspective, that approach still serves him well. But to be successful in the pros, he has to execute as a game manager. That’s the only way he’ll win in the NFL, but that’s completely counter to his personality, self belief and past track record for success. His ego wants to win, I have no doubt about that, he wants that glory but does he want to win more then being the hero? A lot of coaches, players, analyst keep stating the same observations over and over…..At some point he is who he is. He reminds me of Vinny Testerverde….Did he have a good career? Yes. Throw for a lot of yards? Yes. Was he a franchise QB that you could rely on? Meh….he needed Keyshawn and Curtis Martin to be effective.
August 27th, 2019 at 6:53 am
After re-reading this piece……the “still learning” for a FIFTH YEAR NUMBER ONE OVERALL is just spit. If he hasn’t learned yet, he never will. Move on!!!
August 27th, 2019 at 6:53 am
You people actually believe you saw the 2019 Bucs offense and defensive schemes in the pre season??? Really? I gotta find another word, lame is sorta becoming a compliment to you people.
August 27th, 2019 at 6:55 am
But everyone claims his football IQ is off the charts….
More overhype for a under performing #1 pick
August 27th, 2019 at 6:58 am
The QB whisperer has spoken, and his speech is about a joke. Arians is just telling us what we already knew. There are two winners here: Jason Licht, who BS’d his way into a deal to get millions more from the Glazers. Jameis Winston: Who at least got $21 million for his fifth year and hopefully not a another dime. So the Bucs brought in people to develop and help the Glazers save face on absolutely blowing the first overall pick on Jameis Winston. They hoped to change him. Fail. Arians is confirming that Winston isn’t worth it. Five years wasted. Loser all around. Move on. Hopefully we can at least not be embarrassed as the season wears on. Sad day in Tampa Bay.
August 27th, 2019 at 7:00 am
BA is one of the best NFL poker players I’ve ever seen. He says anything and you people run with it. Tells you LVD needs surgery you run wit it(has LVD shown anything on Instagram i.e a stitchor anything. I ask because outside of this and YouTube I don’t any social media) told you Vea hurt his knee and y’all run wit it(Vea sprung up off that ground so fast). Says JPP hurt his neck and without a shred of evidence outside of him putting on a show in a brace on the gram y’all run wit. Now “Jameis needs to grown in the red zone”. Hmm, what I’d be suppose to say doofus,”Jameis has it all down pack,h3ll he dosen’t really even need to practice anymore”😁. Stupid.
August 27th, 2019 at 7:05 am
I’m talking bout Ronde gose on air and says “folks I’ve seen Bowles defense, he’s probably only shown about 5% of it in the pre season so far” but you pinky and brains mad at Devin because you haven’t seen him unleashed yet. Gaawwdd y’all so f@#$in
August 27th, 2019 at 7:08 am
Short term starter. Long term backup. Journeyman at best.
August 27th, 2019 at 7:12 am
Hahahaha. Just like I stated during and after the game. The clown took a sack while in field goal range, which is equivalent to a turnover. You can’t teach dumb
August 27th, 2019 at 7:14 am
Arians is also building his case as it pertains to excuses on why he gets paid for the next three years. He knew coming in that JW was plain stupid and took that knowledge to the bank.
August 27th, 2019 at 7:18 am
Not to worry, that’s just Jameis knowing he has limited snaps in the p-season
August 27th, 2019 at 7:19 am
we will probably move on from him after this year, don’t expect much, enjoy the new defense. I do not think Jameis will be able to keep from throwing picks
August 27th, 2019 at 7:27 am
There absolutely was a tiny hint of exasperation in his voice. Folks, some of you better prepared to accept the fact that he may not be the quarterback of the future. The great quarterbacks in league history figured it out by their fifth year. Most of them earlier.
August 27th, 2019 at 7:33 am
I’ve been a supporter of Jameis & still am….but his decision making has got to change…..he absolutely must take what defenses give him and quit trying to hit home runs win singles are available……get the 1st down and live for another 3 downs…..
August 27th, 2019 at 7:37 am
My guy FAMOUS will never be an underachiever or a clown ….for the last 4 years the team around him has sucked to the point of gagging and throwing up all over the field and if this O/Line doesn’t come together then this season is OVER!!! TRADE FOR A COMPETENT LEFT TACKLE …THEN REARANGE THIS O/LINE!!!
August 27th, 2019 at 7:44 am
Where Is my post Joe!!!!
August 27th, 2019 at 7:53 am
Yo bighog. Your messages probably get caught up in the dumpster fire-wall.
August 27th, 2019 at 7:53 am
And there was more than a hint of exasperation on Leftwich’s face when Jameis left the field. You think Arians and Leftwich talk? This all gets real in a few days…
August 27th, 2019 at 7:57 am
This whole coach accountability thing is new at OBP… It’s gotta be an uneasy feeling in the locker room when the “franchise QB” is on the naughty list time and time again. How crazy would it be if by the end of the season we’re watching a top 10 defense try to win games with Ryan Griffin leading the offense? The biggest hurdle BA has now is getting these guys focused on playing their guts out even though they’ve got little to no confidence that JW won’t shoot himself, and the team, in the foot.
August 27th, 2019 at 7:58 am
Fifth seasion and he still can’t pick up and hit the open guy underneath for the first down. He would rather throw a pass to a covered guy, or when up the field, an open guy forty yards down the field with a throw he can’t seem to make accurately. Maybe in another 10 years, he will develop this skill. But I guess that isn’t part of the measure of “football IQ”.
August 27th, 2019 at 8:00 am
Excuse me..never mind. I forgot that is the O lines fault.
August 27th, 2019 at 8:16 am
im slightly concerned….he missed or ignored 2 underneath routes that wouldve given us a first down……instead he threw deep(incomplete) and took a sack….
GO BUCS!!!!!
August 27th, 2019 at 8:26 am
LOL have we not seen Jameis make better decisions in the preseason so far? I dont think he has thrown a pick yet or done anything dumb. he is playing with a subpar O Line, has no running attack and y’all are still beating him up like its all his fault. JBF posts these days are like reading Skip Bayless and other silly analysts rants. Keep hating on Jameis… watch Belichick take him next year if we are dumb enough to let go of our BEST QB TO EVER STEP FOOT AT RAYMOND JAMES STADIUM.
August 27th, 2019 at 8:34 am
Low bar
August 27th, 2019 at 8:34 am
After 5 years and he is still learning the red zone?
And you idiots want to sign him to a long term big money contract?
Heaven help us.
August 27th, 2019 at 8:40 am
You know who has done pretty good in the red zone? RG4. Just saying.
August 27th, 2019 at 8:44 am
His biggest flaw is that on most plays he pre-determines where he is going with it based on who he thinks will be open, and then stares down that guy until he isn’t able to make that throw . It is a fatal flaw , and I’m pretty sure that’s just the way he has always operated .
August 27th, 2019 at 8:51 am
In a few short weeks Arians will become the “Quarterback Yeller.”
August 27th, 2019 at 9:12 am
Casey Morgan Says:
August 27th, 2019 at 8:51 am
In a few short weeks Arians will become the “Quarterback Yeller.”
LMAO!!!!!!….THATS F’ING HILARIOUS!!!!!!
GO BUCS!!!!
August 27th, 2019 at 9:13 am
Food for thought: Tom Brady will have his third left tackle in 3 years, his starting center is now out for the season and the best blocking TE in NFL history (Gronk) just retired. I am willing to bet that Brady will not suck like JW aka Apples McGoo. Stop blaming everyone else for his weaknesses.
August 27th, 2019 at 9:15 am
Jameis Winston is that starting QB for the entire season that has even started yet.
Understand it.
Some of you don’t.
August 27th, 2019 at 9:18 am
88 tds where he did not sack himself.
August 27th, 2019 at 9:25 am
Carson Palmer was also the #1 pick in the draft and it took him half a REAL season to get Arians offense but Winston is supposed to be perfect by the 3rd preseason game? You guys are reaching. I’m almost to the point where I hope the guy leaves and comes back to stick it to Buc fans like Chucky did to the Raiders. Almost.
August 27th, 2019 at 9:39 am
Dapostman…..we do not expect “perfect” but we DO expect a helluva lot more out of a 5th year number one overall pick. He’s still doing garbage crap. And I’m just talking about on the field. “Still learning the red zone”???? Seriously???
August 27th, 2019 at 10:01 am
@Morgus,
So not hitting a check down in the redzone is garbage crap? Your bias is showing as with most of the WDS simpletons. I can feel the anger at Winston through your words. Your fingertips must be sore from pounding that keyboard. Get some help. See a shrink. In the grand scheme of things missing a check down in the 3rd preseason game isn’t life or death.
August 27th, 2019 at 10:02 am
And the negativity goes downhill ready to start the season.
August 27th, 2019 at 10:04 am
He didn’t miss it often at FSU !!! He went through his progressions and checked downs faster at FSU than he ever has in the pros. The difference is he had a coach in college that was up his ass and in his mug every single time he missed it !!! I’m not a huge Jimbo Fisher fan but he was much better for Wednesday and then any NFL coach that goes for head coach quarterbacks coach assistant head coach offense of coordinator hands down Jamess was better with his check downs and his progressions in college then he is in the NFL and he was coached harder in college then he has been in the NFL !!! Do the math numb nuts !!! When Stan cannot be in charge the coach Hass to operate Winston’s talents not Winstons desire for the big play , Winston loves the big play and with five years of terrible teams he thinks he has to win the football game and by and large he does . While in college he didn’t feel he had to win the football game but many many times he did rally in the second half putting the team on his shoulders to pull out a win . This has to be coached out of him , the NFL coddling does not work on a player that is smart enough to see he doesn’t have a team a good enough around him to win. When he gets a team, offense of Lee and defensively that is good enough to win it will be easier to coach out of him but if you don’t see him and Byron in each others face on the sidelines he just simply is not being coached hard enough . He’s been around terrible teams, passive coaching, think he has to win it all and you had better nearly come to blows if you’re going to change it !! Now the talent Jason Light is put in front of him is exactly what Indy did to Andrew luck and you saw the results and I have been saying this for five years straight. What Jason Light has done to protect the number one overall pick is nothing short then a jailable offense if the Glazers wrote laws . I would be looking to trade Cameron Brate a safety and Lavante David to upgrade the offense of line do you half to protect the quarterback this is the number one difference between the patriots and the rest of the lea I would be looking to trade Cameron Brate a safety and Lavante David to upgrade the offense of line do you half to protect the quarterback this is the number one difference between the patriots and the rest of the league.
August 27th, 2019 at 10:22 am
Some of you really SUCK at being fans… I get it, as a BUCS fan we’ve had many of Sundays where we just turned off the TV, changed the channel and even forced to buy a new TV remote, we’ve had a pretty hard road to deal with.
But some of you are the worse and the comments and continuous bashing just gets OLD…
Perhaps some of you simply forget his Passing records from previous years? The games were NOT lost by the Offense last year, (please stimulate your mind and go back to youtube) it was the porous defense that lost our games and the horrendous kicking.
Why continue to torture yourselves, just go find yourself another f**king team!
August 27th, 2019 at 10:51 am
Nobody can “fix” all the problems!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Would it not just be easier to just draft a “real” qb??????????? The truth is being exposed!!!!!!!!! The sheep are spooked!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And people are getting big contracts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Not only is this a lost season, but they are working on losing 2020 as well!!!!!!!!!!!!! What garbage!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2019 will reveal answers to the sheep, that the “real” fans already know!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
August 27th, 2019 at 10:52 am
Dapostman…..so the best you can do is adolescently try to demean me for commenting (and parroting) what Arians said. Don’t be that jerk. Address the issue. Or…..maybe you can’t without being the simpleton Crotch Grabbing defender. 3rd preseason and can’t hit a checkdown? FIFTH YEAR as the NUMBER ONE OVERALL PICK…and can’t hit a checkdown. …you just had to attack for not sharing your “praise Jameis” views. You can’t help yourself.
August 27th, 2019 at 11:23 am
This is my biggest issue with Jameis- he’s still a bit slow at processing everything on the field and going through all his reads.
And we’ve now heard from Arians and a few others, on more than one occasion, that he’s missing these underneath routes b/c he’s waiting too long for the big play to open up.
Short, quick passes are your friend Jameis. Learn to utilize them and the whole field will open up a lot more!
August 27th, 2019 at 12:31 pm
Johnny Isaac and dapostman. You just don’t get it or you may be just as dumb as JW. He sucks at football and life. He will be gone after this year and the only thing that will remind us of his homophobic slurs actions will be the male cheerleader that the Bucs PR team out in place to offset his actions.
August 27th, 2019 at 12:42 pm
Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right, here I am stuck in the middle.
@Morgus, looks like my observation of you was spot on. Seek some anger management counseling. What is going to happen to you if the Bucs sign Winston to a 5 year contract. You just might lose it since you can’t handle a missed check down in preseason. As Dick Enberg would say, “Oh my.”
August 27th, 2019 at 1:09 pm
Pittsshore are you and Magadude the same person? By the way Stanford recruited Winston and would have taken him if he didn’t pick FSU instead. I don’t think you would be accepted to Stanford if your stupid. Using dumb, and stupid to describe Winston, just proves your stupid.
August 27th, 2019 at 1:21 pm
5yr learning process….
They say you can’t fix stupid.
BA re-retires after this season for “Health reasons”
August 27th, 2019 at 1:24 pm
Can’t stop..LMAo off guys. Jameis is still learning in the red zone? How’s that endless..timeless forever..learning ..I can hear my train ah comin curve comin?
August 27th, 2019 at 1:55 pm
Dapostman…in the immortal words of Ronald Reagan…there you go again. And I won’t hold your youth and inexperience against you. You would like me to be upset or perhaps enraged….however, you are truly making me laugh. Sorry buddy, but these things upset me not. I prefer intellectual debates, where I am actually challenged. You don’t present such challenges. Enjoy your personal attacks. Kinda like self gratification I guess. “Stuck in the middle”? and then “OH MY”?? …hmmmmm….indeed. Crotchgrabber is still learning in the red zone. In his fifth year. As a number one overall draft pick. Not me saying that. Arians is saying that. And I admire his honesty.
August 27th, 2019 at 2:00 pm
Jameis Winston = Joke. Send him to Colts now! Happy Day in Tampa Bay.
August 27th, 2019 at 2:03 pm
Jmarkbuc…ahahahahahah. Leet him go now! Last dumpster fire season in Tampa. Trade Winston to Indy, charge up Bruce’s golf cart to get him to Brooksville. See ya!
August 27th, 2019 at 2:31 pm
Meanwhile, in Miami, a HOF QB’s cape flutters in the wind…
August 27th, 2019 at 3:51 pm
After getting creamed on a couple of those sacks ,You would think that Jameis should not have to be coached to get the ball out faster. I remember a couple years ago ,Jameis was having a conversation with a young opposing QB He was preaching to him to utilize his checkdowns. The only time I have seen him do it consistently is after his benching last year.
Lets hope they get some new O lineman and we need RB’s that can block.
I’ll be surprised if Ellington is with the team long. He has given up a couple of
sacks in his time on the field the last few weeks.
August 27th, 2019 at 3:55 pm
Chipbuc: wait a cotton picking minute, me stupid…Ivy League here. The truth hurts now doesn’t it? I forget more in a day than you will ever know in your entire life. I also find it strange that he was accepted to Stanford but could not make a single class while at Free Shoes University. Real educated with using terms like “I gotsta get better” and “we fixin”
August 27th, 2019 at 4:13 pm
Love the display of intellect when ChipBuc says (repeatedly) “your stupid”…..his command of grammatical English is beyond compare!! Rest easy Pittsshore.
August 27th, 2019 at 4:19 pm
Pittsshore. Be careful with the “wait a cotton picking minute” verbiage. You may be called a racist by the cowards on this site. I am a man of color and it does not bother me.
August 27th, 2019 at 4:20 pm
What else is new? This has always been Jameis. The Q.B. whisperer, will be the Q.B. screamer by the fifth game!
August 27th, 2019 at 4:51 pm
America’s Vagabond?
August 27th, 2019 at 4:52 pm
tank for tua
August 27th, 2019 at 7:14 pm
Fan. Go Bucs
August 27th, 2019 at 7:59 pm
Bob
JW practicing what he preaches has always been an issue
August 27th, 2019 at 8:38 pm
Its pre season. Its not as bad as you think and its not as g4oof as you think.
August 28th, 2019 at 12:36 am
5th yr starter that’s still learning to play in the red zone and Joe finds it a “little concerning”.IDK about the rest if you buc fans but I’m more than a little concerned about this. Especially considering his split personalities on the field
August 28th, 2019 at 11:12 am
There was no exasperation in Arians’ voice.
And, if his words are taken at face value, he was laying a little slap on his great receivers, as he made it clear Jameis believes in them getting open which is why he waits too long at times and doesn’t check-down, but at times those receivers never do get open and Jameis ends up getting sacked … that is as much on the receivers as it is on the QB.
Regardless, in the red zone, a check-down and a sack generally result in the same thing … a field goal, so as long as there isn’t a turnover it’s not a big issue.
August 28th, 2019 at 12:04 pm
Pittsshore, stupid is as stupid does, and you say a lot of stupid things on this site. Ivy league, if you say so. I was a season ticket holder for 25 years and I’ve seen many QBs and teams put on the field over the years, and I’m optimistic about this team ,and it’s coaching staff. Like I told your brother from another mother Magadude, just because you say it doesn’t make it true.
August 28th, 2019 at 12:33 pm
“was” LOL
August 28th, 2019 at 1:02 pm
Morgus Just keep on proving my point about stupid is as stupid does on this site. See I said stupid again. By the way how many years have you been a season ticket holder? ” was ” LOL ,you really got me there.