“That’s When The Film Study Really Started”
July 7th, 2019
History is not proving kind to the Bucs
Cornerback Aqib Talib has gone to five Pro Bowls, played in three Super Bowls and scored seven touchdowns since getting traded from the Buccaneers to the Patriots.
And recently on ESPN, Talib revealed one reason why that happened after he got rid of his Tampa address.
“That’s when the film study really started,” Talib said about arriving in New England midway through the 2012 season.
Sure, Talib also said immediately playing so many Patriots games on the “main stage” of Sunday and Monday nights was a factor for him, as was fan excitement when he went to Dunkin’ Donuts. But that film line really struck Joe.
So Talib was selected in Round 1 of the 2008 NFL Draft by the Bucs and he talks about first getting deep into film four years later under Bill Belicheat?
Yes, Talib was an immature young man and Buccaneer, but he’s always been a smart and eager-to-learn kind of guy. Why does he seem to think his intense film study didn’t start in Tampa?
Think about how the Bucs let go of Talib, Michael Bennett, LeGarrette Blount and Darrelle Revis in their respective primes. And throw in guys like Jeremy Zuttah, Donald Penn and Bradley McDougald, all who made Pro Bowls after they left the Bucs. That sure makes it easy to understand how the Bucs are the prime residents of Buccaneers Cove (last place in the NFC South).
Near the close of the interview, Talib references DeSean Jackson as the fastest man he’s every covered.
July 7th, 2019 at 5:52 pm
Incompetent morons
Clean House
July 7th, 2019 at 6:03 pm
Clean house… Purge the team of it’s past failures and begin anew to assure the old doesn’t remain to corrupt the new!
July 7th, 2019 at 6:04 pm
Every team gets rid of players that in hindsight, they would love to get back. We just seem to do it more than most. Hopefully, that ends this year with yet another new regime. The law of averages dictates it’s bound to occur at sometime right? Right? Lol
July 7th, 2019 at 6:18 pm
Clean house so we can get rid of more players who may go on to the Pro Bowl for other teams? This has to be the stupidest fan base in NFL history!
July 7th, 2019 at 6:45 pm
Watching Aqib always puts a smile on my face like a proud father. He’s come a long way and I’m happy for him. I will always root for him.
July 7th, 2019 at 6:49 pm
All teams get rid of players that are future perennial all pros…. SAID NO ONE EVER plz fire Jason LICHTENSTEIN
July 7th, 2019 at 6:54 pm
Nothing will really change until ownership changes or they completely remove themselves from the football operations…..they should never, ever make another hire….not even a janitor on the football side. We need a president of football operations with TOTAL CONTROL!!!!
July 7th, 2019 at 6:59 pm
With our constantly changing coaching merry-go-round, its a wonder we have even kept any good players around. Bellacheat and a hand full of coaches who have been mainstays on winning teams just refine the great coaching they have yr after yr. We..are always in the..trying to find a good coach mode Thus..our
proud losing record every year.
July 7th, 2019 at 7:05 pm
Glazers please give us a proper back end so we can have a proper front end.
Joel and Bryan It’s time to raise your hand and admit you don’t have what your dad had. There is no harm in that guys.
After this season make the proper moves so we can get on the path again.
Signed 93% of your fan base
July 7th, 2019 at 7:23 pm
Please don’t let someone else shape reality for you, Tampa fans are so pathetic. Somehow it’s the bucs fault that talib wasn’t putting in the work in the film room? He started studying for perennial superbowl contenders who were always on the mainstage and he didnt want to get embarrassed period. We’ve been losing for a long time so there are plenty examples of guys coming in here to try and change the culture not just go with it. He got traded because he was stupid and a troublemaker here and when you can win 6 games a year having a probowl corner doesn’t really matter. Bunch suckers commenting here, what doesn’t ownership have to do with doing the job your paid to do including film study.
Why give him excuses when he had Ronde Barber to show him how to study film, dude was lazy here because he could be and somehow it’s the Glazers fault? Dumbest fans in the NFL easily
July 7th, 2019 at 7:23 pm
All those players you mentioned left starting when the Glazer Boyz showed Jon Gruden the door after the 2008 season, hiring 32-year-old Raheem Morris to replace him & moving 37-year-old Mark Dominik up to be GM. Then 3 years (and a 17-31 record) later , Glazers hire Greg Schiano to replace Morris because Raheem wasn’t tough enough. Schiano brings discipline for 2 years before, oh ya, being canned with a 10-22 record because he was too tough … and oh ya, Dominik also gets shown the door.
Enter Lovie Smith, stage right, in 2014 along with his hand-picked lapdog JL to be his GM. Another major purge follows, as more veteran players get axed. That grand experiment lasts for 2 painful years, until Lovie makes his exit with a 8-24 record. But that’s OK, Dirk Koetter to the rescue in 2016. Not. Poor Dirk was over his head from the git-go, although his first year (2016) did show the illusion of promise. Aah yes, in rides Bruce Arians to the rescue.
At the core of all those bad years are the same people making the same bad decisions: the Glazer Boyz. They picked the GMs. They picked the coaches. Media praises them for being hands-off and letting the GMs manage and the coaches coach. Maybe if they’d figured out how to pick competent GMs & coaches back in 2008 when they axed Chucky then Bucs’ fans wouldn’t have had to go through the misery we’ve experienced for over a decade now. HOPEFULLY BA can right the Good Ship Lollipop.
July 7th, 2019 at 7:24 pm
So1st round players need to be taught how to film study, and learn how they fit in the defense gameplan, and how to take care of themselves as NFL players. Who would have thunk it? And we have the current coaching staff having the rookies stay in Tampa after the end of OTA’s to get extra “coaching” and to learn how to be a Professional NFL players. Now after hearing Talibs words about only when he went to the Patriots did he learn how to film study. Was he not paid here in Tampa? Did he not have any motivation or will power to get better on his own? I remember him having some type of issue nearly every offseason. Maybe when he arrived in New England he had grown up a little. It happens at the most extreme times in life for some. For others it is something they have always had.
Interesting to think about and ponder on.
Go Bucs!!!
July 7th, 2019 at 7:54 pm
He was pretty average with the Bucs.
July 7th, 2019 at 7:57 pm
A lot of it comes down to ownership….and they aren’t going anywhere, nor are they hiring football decision makers to run operations. A few of the Glazer boys like to be involved with the process and that’s part of the problem. There’s no clear direction from the top because you have multiple family members providing input. When you get a diluted vision that tries to satisfy multiple parties, you end up with what we’ve had….a series of do overs. When you have ONE owner…like Robert Kraft, there’s less hands in the cookie jar and only one vision to execute. Kraft is committed to winning….he’s also content with whatever he’s profiting. The Glazer kids all want to get paid FIRST….win SECOND. Add in we’re a small market town and its the perfect formula for mediocrity.
July 7th, 2019 at 8:11 pm
Don’t forget Tandyman studied film before every game even when he wasn’t starting so Talib not only had Rhonde Barber as an example of how to be a Pro!
That failure is on him! I am sure BA’s Coaches teach our new Corners and Safeties to do so. That is why it pays to have Coaches to concentrate on Rookie Development. It is how the Patriots roll every year and stay on top. It also keeps them out of cap hell. And they used Licht to find the hidden jewels with potential which he has done here but Clueless Coaches like Warhop failed to develop any of them and got rid of good players like Pamphile who he stuck in the wrong job and didn’t develop him, and just like he did with D. Smith who would have been a perennial Pro Bowl Guard for us.
July 7th, 2019 at 8:25 pm
My favorite team is worse than a dumpster. The bad decisions are paramount as to why they suck year end and year out.
Common denominator: a couple of dumbas s limp di$k morons that couldn’t find their way out of a wet paper bag with a flashlight. Or a flesh light (surely that’s all the action these stupid idiots get).
I could without a doubt run this team better working part time on the weekends drunk and high with my eyes closed.
These idiot owners haven’t done anything but ruin what their father built.
And have all but ruined another futbol franchise.
Coincidence? I think not.
If life is a 100 yard dash these inbiciles were born at the 3/4 mark with rockets attached to their as s and somehow they managed to fu ck it up.
Sell the team you fu cks. You’re too stupid to be allowed such an honor of owning a team.
I could turn this team around in 3 years. Something you morons haven’t been able to do in 10. I wish someone were brave enough to call them out for the idiots they are.
July 7th, 2019 at 8:32 pm
“I went from a football player to a professional football player”.
Wow that speaks volumes.
The reason he became a professional in NE is bc he along with everyone else there understands that you are quickly replaced if you don’t play professionally. In NE it’s all about a mindset. Know your job, do your job and LFG!
I think when you see the best players on your roster getting shipped off or not re-signed then replaced with UDFA who can now play at the same level as the guy they replaced it puts a fire under your arse.
As for TB it can’t go unnoticed that the best players we’ve had are run-off by the moral police. List is too long to mention but Talib, Blount and Winston immediately spring to mind. You want choir boys, you get choir boys. Problem is choir boys can’t win football games.
#It’samentality
July 7th, 2019 at 8:33 pm
“The Law of Averages” said the Spinal Tap drummer wouldn’t die.
July 7th, 2019 at 8:40 pm
Joe are you censoring my comments again? Where is my comment?
July 7th, 2019 at 8:55 pm
“If ur a man cover u wont be in cover all day if ur a cover corner u won be in man all day.” What an amazing concept 🤷♂️
July 7th, 2019 at 8:56 pm
Some of you guys are just total d!()$ and always will be and it kinda makes me wanna puke.
Go BUCS
July 7th, 2019 at 9:20 pm
The incompetence starts at the top.
No, Brian and Joel. At the top.
July 7th, 2019 at 9:43 pm
I mean I’ve heard this before but is it the nightlife in Tampa? Tampa / Clearwater st Pete? I’ve heard on some nfl podcasts one from mike Lombardi state there’s too many distractions in Tampa outside of football
July 7th, 2019 at 10:36 pm
Talib had to go. At the time you didn’t know what stupid thing he was going to do next. Beating a cabbie and then he has a mother son outing where they shoot at his sisters boyfriend. It sucked letting a talent like him go, but at some point you can’t let things like that continue and hold people accountable for their actions! You can’t cover it up, hide it, or because he’s a superstar allow them to live outside the law.
July 8th, 2019 at 12:53 am
Chris,
When AT was here there was that type of.nightlife little else. 2 am Pinellas county, 3am Hillsborough. Bars close.
So maybe fishing is the big D.
Or the weather. ….rumor has it AT was in charge of rain making. Heck, lots of places in close proximity to the stadium rely on copious quantities on precipitation. ….maybe he was moonlighting..
Or strip clubs.
July 8th, 2019 at 1:18 am
Living out near Boston after 3 decades in Tampa (forced to because of work) I can tell you one thing: the people up here are more driven, more ambitious, and yes, generally smarter (that does translate into making more money, or is it the money that draws people up here?)
If the Bucs want to win, they need more brainpower and more guts–and that starts at the very top. The ownership of this team is a problem. There is a culture of aspiring to mediocrity around the organization, and really, around much of Tampa. It is a shame because of the amount of natural talent that is bred from the high school ranks.
July 8th, 2019 at 1:36 am
To build Tampa into a dynasty, future drafted players have to buy in. If they see Tampa as a temporary stop in their NFL career, then they never really commit themselves 100% . That’s why so many move on only to have better careers. Being the most historical losing franchise hurts this teams ability to draw talent season after season.
Ask a baller coming straight from college which team they’d prefer to play for? Tampa or New England? What do you think the survey would say? Maybe 10% say Tampa? Then ask them why? I suspect most NE answers will be related to football, and it’s winning traditions, while Tampa will probably be about taxes, fishing, golf, or Mons Venus.
July 8th, 2019 at 4:08 am
Dalvincooksrule,
You’re absolutely right!
And I absolutely hate saying it because I was born and raised in Tampa. Don’t get me wrong, I still love the area but the facts are what they are in spite of my feelings.
As I imagine you have gained a better perspective from your move I have found that the longer I am away the worse it seems when I return. Worse as in things that I knew that were a problem or issue but accepted as normal weren’t in fact normal at all but rather specific to the state. Youve probably started to see this for yourself , good luck with it.
Here’s a stat from last year week of opening kick off games. The numbers change slightly if you look further back but the relationship is steady from year to year. What city has the highest number of players who were born in the city and played high school ball there , that are currently signed on the 53 man roster with an nfl team. #1 Miami Florida with 246 players. The #2 city is Houston Tx. with 86.
Your guess was right on but probably underestimated the dominance the state and areas produce.
I’ll leave you with this ..years ago Tampa city government along with the usual suspects backed a plan to attract college grads to the area to begin their careers. The idea was to reduce the overall avg age and boost the avg educational levels across the area. Sounds good right? Well the plan was to promote vacationing spring breakers to spend it on the areas beaches and Ybor city. No lie. Ybor. The city attached kids who prioritized low moving costs and cheap alcohol. It worked…..
Good luck with everything and if you get an opportunity, go to a pats game.
Then let people here , know how much different the fan bases are and how it translates into a home field advantage and the ability to attract free agents.
When AT arrived at the pats facilities it didn’t take long for him to understand the differences in culture between the teams and the areas themselves.
He stepped up and the environment of the area and team supported it.
July 8th, 2019 at 6:03 am
Again its always been coaching!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thr talent has always been here and.it still is here!!!
July 8th, 2019 at 9:39 am
Both Talib and Bennett have had off field issues. Talib wore out his welcome here
with his antics. Talib is a very good football when he is under control. Punching a cab driver in the back head as you are crossing Tampa Bay is not under control. Bennett issues have only cropped up recently, I just think he wasn’t a Schiano man.
Revis was rehabbing for 24 million. I don’t think he fully recovered until after
Patriots released him the next year.
IMO, Talib was unmanageable at that point in his career due to his off field
problems.
Other than those two ,I agree with the rest.
July 8th, 2019 at 10:24 am
You can’t purge the Bucs unless you start with the owners. They need to go.
July 8th, 2019 at 10:37 am
Here is how losing happens.
New HC every 2.8yrs fir the last 14 seasons.
Think about that
July 8th, 2019 at 12:23 pm
Talib was a great player for us….when he played. people dwell on Winston and his suspension last year. They must have forgotten Talib made Winston look like the next coming of Warrick Dunn. The big difference since going to the Pats is him staying on the field and out of the news!!