“We Had To Calm Him Down”
July 27th, 2019
Ordered brakes slammed.
America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston, received a cease and desist order earlier this month.
And the guy who put his foot down was Bucco Bruce Arians.
We all know Jameis is a workaholic. Jameis is driven like few athletes Joe has seen. But in the eyes of Arians, Jameis has been working too much.
When Arians read that Jameis took Justin Watson, Antony Auclair and Scotty Miller to Tallahassee to work out earlier this month, Arians had seen enough. He called Jameis and told him to chill. Relax. Save your arm.
This is how Arians explained yesterday following the first practice of Training Camp 2019 inside the Glazer Hut at One Buc Palace.
“If I’ll say anything, he overworked,” Arians said of Jameis’ summer since underwear football season. “He was throwing a little bit too much. We had to calm him down.
“They went up to Florida State and a bunch of guys were throwing. I think they might’ve thrown a little bit too much and I told him to slow down his pitch count until we got started.”
Is Arians worried Jameis will develop arm problems from throwing so much? Or has Jameis had some hiccups with his arm behind the scenes at One Buc Palace that raised a red flag?
Outside of a quarterback that has had arm issues or is coming back from some sort of arm/shoulder medical procedure, Joe cannot recall a coach telling a healthy quarterback to shut it down.
Or is it that Arians trying to keep Jameis healthy?
July 27th, 2019 at 9:11 am
Add to the list of excuses.
– Jameis wore himself out in the off season. Thanks BA!
Goes well with the following:
– The D sucks.
– The run game sucks.
– The O line sucks.
– The coaching sucked.
– Couldn’t identify with his coaches.
– The software sucks.
– The weather sucks.
– Looking over his shoulder at Fitz.
– He works too hard.
– His WRs run the wrong routes.
– His receives can’t catch.
– Negative media bias is getting him down.
– QB X took 5 years get out of bottom tier NFL QBs too.
July 27th, 2019 at 9:11 am
I think Bruce wants Jameis to only throw under the watchful eyes of Bruce, Byron and Christensen. He has said that JW has footwork/mechanics problems and he wants the staff to be there to critique and correct. Doubt he’s worried about pitch counts as much as unsupervised pitch counts.
July 27th, 2019 at 9:15 am
Hi BA, let me introduce you to Jameis Winston. You are the QB whisperer, right? Here, get out of the golf cart and stand next to Winston. Whisper in this ear. See? It does right out the other ear. You can tell Winston what you want him to do, but if the past is anything, he will do what he wants to do. Just expect that. Don’t forget, he’s looked in the mirror and said he has to be himself.
July 27th, 2019 at 9:16 am
“There is no one that has a better proven track record working with QBs than BA
JW3 is too hype and emotional still in game situations. His mechanics break down when he gets too emotional. He has to stop worrying about other players and concentrate play by play
4th quarter end of the game driving to score to win
we need a clam, emotionless leader not a headbut”
Kobe Faker
July 27th, 2019 at 9:20 am
Most NFL ready QB …. 4 years ago… tick…. tock… tick… tock…Jameis is as Jameis does
July 27th, 2019 at 9:24 am
“If you don’t calm the f— down, you’re going to the bench.” –Jimbo Fisher
July 27th, 2019 at 9:26 am
Jameis is gonna play just good enough to put the top QB draft picks out of reach
July 27th, 2019 at 9:30 am
is he still working with that alleged qb guru in off season?
July 27th, 2019 at 9:31 am
Magadude … you’re on fire this morning.
Joe … “Arians worried Jameis will develop arm problems from throwing so much? Or has Jameis had some hiccups with his arm behind the scenes at One Buc Palace that raised a red flag?” Kinda jumping to conclusions aren’t we? MAYBE BA just wants him to RELAX a bit. Jameis gets too wound up at times, loses control & Bad Jameis escapes.
July 27th, 2019 at 9:34 am
Maybe. But if I recall, Brady was a 6 th round pick.
I could be wrong, but there have been many first round QBs that just didn’t cut it. The guy wants to win. He’s putting in the work. We should all calm down.
July 27th, 2019 at 9:35 am
DR.. IMO Jameis mechanics go off the rails starting with his feet….
July 27th, 2019 at 9:42 am
Slug… virtually every QB that ever stepped onto a NFL practice field wanted to win
July 27th, 2019 at 9:46 am
I realize that it was only Day 1 of camp but it sure sounds like JW will never be the QB Bucs need. It’s always something with him. No more excuses. Playoffs or bust with him. If not, move on!
July 27th, 2019 at 9:51 am
Is Arians worried Jameis will develop arm problems from throwing so much?
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He already hurt his shoulder playing behind Dotson. Dude is gonna get someone hurt.
July 27th, 2019 at 10:02 am
Mega that’s funny. The few things I will say is 1 all those excuses come from fans an media never once have you heard #3 say any of those or any excuses matter of fact #3 has put the blame on him even wen sometimes an I say sometimes it’s not his fault. I hope he becomes more consistent an it kinda looks like he has matured. His drive to get better an his passion for the game is amazing an he does do some amazing plays but he also has a ton of boneheaded plays so hopefully BA can get those out an he can take that next step. I’d hate to see that drive to get better an passion for the game go to waste an his talent. He has all the tools and weapons to be great just limit the turnovers an get a little more accurate
July 27th, 2019 at 10:03 am
I think its more a mental break..Arians has went over this about Jameis in the past him needing to shut down more and reboot. Thats what it sounded like to me
July 27th, 2019 at 10:10 am
Guys it’s the first practice…
New offense, new defense…relax…I do agree that Jameis needs to allow himself more time for physical and mental breaks…More isn’t always better; addition by subtraction…
July 27th, 2019 at 10:14 am
Dotson……. the New Excuse.
But hey, wtfdik?
July 27th, 2019 at 10:27 am
I know he’s not perfect, but if every man on this team prepared and worked as hard as JW3, we would not be 10-22 over the past two years. I love the fact that he’s making the new guys do extra work. They’re football players. That’s what they do. It’s not gonna kill ’em.
July 27th, 2019 at 10:49 am
Old School Athlete …excellent post.
July 27th, 2019 at 11:01 am
HAHAHAHAHA
Yet another EXCUSE for Jameis.
I have a new theory about jameis and why he won’t make it in the NFL long-term…
He lacks the ability to do QUICK READS and get the ball out immediately, being able to predict where to put the ball well in advance of a route that is going to be open against the opposing Defense.
This is why he holds the ball too long (proven by the data). He needs more time to survey the field. That’s why when he does get rid of ball quickly he’s often locking onto his primary receiver.
I would bet anything the coaches have told him he has to get rid of the ball faster and just trust the routes. This is leading to INTs and poor throws because he’s just not suited for QUICK READS.
In college, you can get away with taking more time to throw the ball. With a better team (such as FSU had) you have more time to throw (better O-line) and a WR edge where they can get open more easily.
In the NFL, it’s a completely different game. EVERYONE is fast. EVERYONE is an amazing athlete. The ‘windows’ to throw the ball close quickly, as any educated fan knows.
Winston has tremendous arm strength and can often make solid throws. But arm strength alone won’t do it for you if you’re not throwing the ball quickly to anticipate which of the routes is going to be open by the time the ball arrives.
The largest ‘windows’ by angle are those in the middle. So it shouldn’t come as a surprise why his favorite target was Brate in the red zone as opposed to throwing fades and passes to the outside lanes (tighter angles).
The turnover problems are from either holding the ball too long and being forced to make play when things are broken down, or when he fails at a quick read and throws the ball to the wrong place.
You can’t easily ‘teach’ someone to make quick reads faster. He sees the field and makes decisions the way he does and has grown up learning to do. I’m not by any means saying it’s a lack of intelligence, I think he just doesn’t easily survey the initial 1-2 seconds after the snap and/or his footwork might also be contributing to the problem. He does get those ‘happy feet’ a lot where he bounces a little bit. So maybe he’s taking too long to get set.
Either way… I just don’t see how he’s going to ‘fix’ this problem after so many years of muscle memory and so many years of his brain surveying the way it already does.
July 27th, 2019 at 11:08 am
My guess is that Arians is telling him to shut down the extra work because he feels Jameis is working on THE WRONG THINGS.
I think they’re trying to SIMPLIFY some things for Jameis and just focus on making him get rid of the ball faster and make quicker reads, which seems to be Jameis #1 problem.
July 27th, 2019 at 11:57 am
@BucsBandit … “Yet another EXCUSE for Jameis. I have a new theory about jameis and why he won’t make it in the NFL long-term. He lacks the ability to do QUICK READS and get the ball out immediately, being able to predict where to put the ball well in advance of a route that is going to be open against the opposing Defense. This is why he holds the ball too long (proven by the data). He needs more time to survey the field.”
Interesting theory Bandit. I don’t agree with it, but it is an interesting THEORY. NFL QBs, for the most part, do what their OCs tell them to do. Jameis’ only OC in his 4 years here has been Koetter. With the exception of 1 year (2015), the Bucs didn’t have a running game to lean on (for whatever reason) even though Koetter ran a bunch on 1st downs … thus leaving 2nd & long and often 3rd & long. Koetter’s preference was going intermediate or deep on 2nd & 3rd downs. Takes awhile for receivers to get down the field & open on routes like that. I never saw that much use of QUICK READ slants in the Bucs repertoire. Personally think that was more on Koetter than it was on Jameis.
Jameis’ completion percentages have steadily gone up every year … 2015 (58.5%), 2016 (60.8%), 2017 (63.8%), 2018 (64.6%). His passing yards/game have steadily increased from 252.6 in 2015 to 272.0 in 2018. His QBR over those years has increased form 61.1 in 2015 to 71.8 in 2018. That part, combined with his TD% increasing from 4.1 TD/attempt in 2015 to 5.0 TD/attempt in 2018 shows PROGRESS to me.
On the other side of the coin, his INT% is too high, increasing from 2.8 INT/attempt in 2015 to 3.7 INT/attempt in 2018. He’s taking too many sacks/game also, increasing from 4.8% in 2015 to 5.8% in 2016 to 6.9% in 2017 and 6.7% on 2018 (tells me that he’s trying too hard to keep plays alive & getting burned in the process).
Don’t think that those 2015-2018 stats support your theory that Jameis can’t make QUICK READS. That’s NOT what he’s been asked to do … prior to the new sheriff, BA, arriving in town. We’ll see more of that this year I’ll bet.
July 27th, 2019 at 11:59 am
Given Jameis’s work as both a QB and a hard throwing pitcher in college its smart not to overwork his arm. If you think about it, throwing to a his new receivers might breed a little familiarity, it in no way duplicates gametime conditions with defenders and pads.
July 27th, 2019 at 12:09 pm
It’s amazing how much you guys want Jameis to fail. It blows my mind
July 27th, 2019 at 12:13 pm
DR
The rise in Jameis Winston completion percentage is also aided by the improvement of his receiving corp and some very good talent additions in
OJ and Godwin.
Eventhough ,I think there is room for improvement in ball placement there is also progress in that area.
July 27th, 2019 at 12:17 pm
To opine that the Bucs will play too well this season that they won’t get a chance to start their next 43 year quest to find a better Qb than Jameis is rich. I’ve been waiting my entire life for a Qb this good with such a high ceiling to play for this team. I would have never have guessed this would be the way the fans would treat him. Jameis will succeed in this league and I’m sure that if it’s here everyone would have known it all along. Never admit you were wrong unfortunately has been rewarded in our society lately.
July 27th, 2019 at 12:19 pm
DR Stoud’ I wasn’t aware of that one. But I do remember the conversation where Jimbo told Jameis Let me call the plays.
July 27th, 2019 at 12:25 pm
sorry about the misspelling Doctor Stroud
July 27th, 2019 at 12:25 pm
Defense Rules – good analysis and stats, thanks for sharing that.
Winston is a bit of an enigma. His stats are often stellar yet the “Eye Test” of watching him play doesn’t seem to match up to those stats, at least not consistently for an entire game.
I’m not sure what site would have the stats, but it would be interesting to see his progression of stats (completion %, TDs, INTs, etc.) broken down BY QUARTER.
I would ‘guess’ that more of his good stats (completion %s, yards, TD per attempt) happen in the 2nd Half. He seems to take awhile to warm up then often plays great coming from behind; ironically, he played that way at FSU at times too and led them for comeback wins (like the National Championship).
One can certainly blamed the need for a comeback on our poor Defense and giving up leads; and opposing Defenses playing softer coverage in 2nd halfs to protect those leads. BUT… Winston often struggles in the 1st half of games and that has nothing to do with our Defense or points they’ve allowed.
Again it’s that “Eye Test” that’s very different from just the stats. Something is missing.
July 27th, 2019 at 12:29 pm
Defense Rules – (Continued)
I forgot to mention…
“Quick Reads” don’t just mean throwing slants. While deep passes certainly do take time for the WRs to get down field, most of the common NFL routes (outs, digs, comebacks, curls) happen at short or intermediate distances. Most of those are pretty quick throws and require a QB to assess things very fast.
July 27th, 2019 at 1:54 pm
I don’t want Jamies to fail, it’d be great if he does well this year.
However, I watch the games……. and um…… yeah.
Fingers crossed but daggers ready.