Prediction
July 6th, 2019
Bucs fans should smile.
So what’s going to happen? Are the Bucs going to re-sign America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston, or will the Bucs be quarterback shopping in January (and maybe coach and general manager shopping, too)?
There is a lot riding on the shoulders of Jameis this season. Not just for his career but likely for many who are currently employed at One Buc Palace.
If Jameis and the Bucs fall flat on their faces, it would not shock Joe one bit if Team Glazer hired a hazmat team and deloused the entire building. Total housecleaning. Not saying that will happen, but it is not far-fetched.
Maurice Moton of Bleacher Report thinks he knows what will happen. And it should bring a wide smile to Bucs fans near and far.
Winston’s willingness to push the ball downfield matches Arians’ aggressive passing philosophy. The Buccaneers head coach will likely drill him on situational football, drawing a line between knowing when to gamble and throwing the ball away or taking a sack.
Winston has a talented pass-catching group that features wideouts Mike Evans and Chris Godwin along with tight ends O.J. Howard and Cameron Brate. With those targets in Arians’ system, we should see the best out of the 25-year-old signal-caller.
If Winston puts together an impressive season, the front office should franchise-tag him for a year to ensure he’s on the right track in consecutive campaigns under Arians.
Projection: Winston signs the franchise tag.
This is exactly what Joe guesses will happen as well and it is what the Bucs should have done with Doug Martin years ago. If Jameis has a good year, then Bucs AC/DC-loving general manager Jason Licht may just give Jameis another prove-it year to show that 2019 wasn’t a fluke.
It’s the smart thing to do. Not only would it be a cheaper move up front, but it also gives the Bucs a get-out-of-jail card if something unforeseen happens.
July 6th, 2019 at 12:03 am
If Arians can’t turn things around they’ll all be gone.
July 6th, 2019 at 12:04 am
Franchise tag a super bowl winning quarterback?
July 6th, 2019 at 12:31 am
Looking forward to ‘total housecleaning’… No one wants to or likes to go through that but it is a neccessary part of the NFL…So the sooner the better… The Bucs have spent so many years patching holes and puttying cracks that they are a sinking ship… Nearly if not already unsalvageable… They have lost so much over the past several years that the main chore group likely have become hardened to and even comfortable with losing…
July 6th, 2019 at 1:08 am
We’ve seen the best of Jay miss. Won’t get much better. I have a relative in the NFL. There’s a running joke about him in the league. Opposing defenses LOVE playing against him cuz they feel like he’ll give them to’s .
July 6th, 2019 at 1:41 am
To all the haters I’m sorry for you. Can’t wait for the season to begin we gonna shock the league again
July 6th, 2019 at 2:08 am
Any house cleaning is going to need to start from the very top, or else it’s just window dressing. Eventually, an owner needs to look in the mirror and ask “is it me?”
Oh, no they don’t. My bad. They’re banking a hundred mil a year. Sorry.
July 6th, 2019 at 2:23 am
But you also run the risk, after franchising him, that he turns in a solid season and it inflates his asking price, than if you go ahead and lock him into a contract after this season at a lesser price. I guess you could say it’s a good problem to have but the fact remains, this season he needs to put it together and prove he’s worthy of such a huge investment. His salary will cost 20% of the salary going forward leaving less money for talent around him. He needs to prove that he can carry this team even if others around him aren’t as talented because once he signs this huge contract this is how it will be. As a fan I don’t want to watch another decade of losing football.
July 6th, 2019 at 4:02 am
Some of yall have got depressing AF. I get it weve lost for so long but u talk about players be comfortable with losing n say they all suck but really y’all r the ones comfortable with it predicting they’ll lose and suck all year n some of u hoping they will for a rebuilt basically saying ur ok with losing 5 more years for a rebuild n that’s jus t pathetic. How bout trying to actually hope BA turns us around n brings the best out of Winston along with everyone else. Instead of practically praying he sucks. Some of u so called fans r just straight pathetic poor excuses as fans SMMFH. Find a new team or stfu n dont come at me with the bs if been a fan longer than some of u have been alive so I’ve dealt with the losing seasons far longer than u n still always hope for a winning season THIS SEASON WILL REVEAL WHAT THE ACTUAL REAL FANS ALREADY KNOW & THAT THAT YALL WONT EAT CROW GRACEFULLY U WILL STILL B@!#H N COMPLAIN WITH A 10-6 RECORD WITH A PLAYOFF BERTH CUZ THATS JUST WHO YALL R 🤷♂️
July 6th, 2019 at 4:06 am
The Bucs shouldn’t hitch their wagon to this lame horse Winston. Even if he improves he will never take this team anywhere. Just wait and pick a QB in the top ten next year, which is where they’ll likely be drafting again. Then franchise Winston for a year while the new QB gets a year of experience under his belt. Problem solved.
July 6th, 2019 at 4:08 am
Oh yeah n GP love ur comment that would be great but u know he could throw for 5000yrds this year be 168 completions of 189 attempts 85 tds n 5ints n they’d still say we need a new qb n rebuild with him hosting the Lombardi trophy 🤦♂️🤷♂️💯
July 6th, 2019 at 5:16 am
Well we know 100% for sure Jameis is not Coco Gauff. When young and brand new, his maturity level was eating W’s and jumping around like a school boy, instead of internally focusing and mentally getting his mind right to playing at a elite level. Having said that, he is still only 25 with a boat load of talent. Question is, has he matured enough to be more cerebral and professional To take his game to the next level. Only time will tell.
July 6th, 2019 at 5:37 am
Rodney,
What fan or fans are you talking about when you fans praying for winston to suck? I’ve read many posts claiming this type of behavior but I haven’t actually read one. So instead of creating a circular argument, expand and identify who these people are. Name Names.
As far as winston could throw 5000..win a superbowl..yAda yada….and some fans would still want him gone…..possibly, but winston hasn’t put anyone in that precarious position in his 4yrs here so 7ntil he does …it’s just another hypothetical situation that’s been highly anticipated and predicted but failed to materialize.
What has happened is just the exact opposite of what you claim. Winston supporters clinging to hope and change each year , obviously a number 1 overall pick comes with extremely high expectations, only to end the year blaming everyone on the team and a portion of the fans for Winston’s play.
If Winston has another year of inconsistent play and is ranked in the late teens or early twenties with his performance when do you think it’s appropriate to consider moving on?
What scenario is more likely to occur based on tangible evidence , Winston having an MVP season or something like the last 4yrs? Some people prefer hope others not so much .instead they can’t or won’t see light at the end of tunnel even if that light is attached to a train that is barreling into them at high speed. ..
It’s perspective, and diversity. Stop hating on your fellow buc fans brothers
And if winston does have an MVP year…..no one with a bit and tackle will want to hear the “I told you so ” that will surely come from the gender transition crowd. That’s what women are for , to constantly remind men how right they have been all along…..yeah I’m saying it. Because for as much as like winston and think the guy can be something special. ….I equally dislike his b#tch Boi fan club and the hate they sow within the fan base. I’m actually ok with the latter but acting like women as they watch a man’s game is just sick sh#t that no self respecting man wants to deal with on a Sunday afternoon.
July 6th, 2019 at 5:38 am
Currently Winston has gaudy stats and nothing else. BA and his golf cart are here to participate in changing the only stat that matters, wins and losses.
Time will tell.
Currently the “best” QB in Buccaneers history is not even on track to make the Ring of Honor at Ray Jay or a second contract.
July 6th, 2019 at 5:41 am
Rodney—
There’s an old adage that goes, “Stay away from negative people. They have a problem with solutions.”
Those are the idiots in here who are married to the past and are incapable of winning at anything in their lives. This, they project their own personal misery onto the Bucs future, even though there’s absolutely EVERYTHING to be excited about with our talent and, especially, our strategic leaders.
Actually, it’s simply become evident to me that the incessant negativism is merely a desperate plea for attention. I just bypass the comments now. I find them…well…”Yawn.”
I’d rather read substantive comments like what Defense Rules and many others provide.
July 6th, 2019 at 6:06 am
Sure, Jameis needs to improve somewhat….especially with turnovers….but Arians & Bowles will be judged on their performance of the overall team.
I am expecting a much better defense and ST……a slightly improved Jameis…..but I still am concerned about the running game. Our Oline & RBs need to improve a great deal simply with coaching because we made no changes.
July 6th, 2019 at 6:14 am
Agree that this is the sensible option if he plays well. An 8-8 season might be considered a good start to a turnaround to consider this option. With essentially
9 road games including a Thursday night game on the schedule , the coming season will offer up plenty of challenges for both Jameis and the team.
The best way to get in the playoffs in our division would be to win the division.
Its entirely possible that 10-6 doesn’t get you in the playoffs in our division. IT’s
not unreasonable to think the other teams will be close to to a 10-6 record.
July 6th, 2019 at 6:33 am
Agree. He has best season.
This franchise needs to be back in the playoffs so bad.
It’s been way to long.
Was the last playoff game against giants when we got spanked at home ?
July 6th, 2019 at 6:35 am
They did say other day as of now …the Bucs have 6th easiest schedule.
Although playing each team in our tough division is not easy
July 6th, 2019 at 6:44 am
Each team Twice in our division ^
July 6th, 2019 at 7:07 am
I hope Jameis has a elite franchise QB season in 2019…but…”There Ain’t No Hope in Football”
July 6th, 2019 at 7:09 am
Financially speaking it doesn’t make sense. In fact if they were smart they would sign him to a long term deal now BEFORE he blows up this year and all these people ripping him around the league suddenly are saying great things about him AGAIN. It’s called buying low and selling high, but you see this franchise, much like some fans on this very posting, are so worried about what others think instead of working with what you KNOW. You see we know Koetter was clueless and could not handle a locker room (see Baker and DJax). We know the only QB coach Jameis has ever had in the NFL is a joke, we know that he was always under pressure to score 40 a game cause the Defense was sooooo bad, we know that the offense was predictable cause we wouldn’t run the dang ball, lastly we THINK he made mistakes early on but either way has been incident free for 3-4 years. So there is nothing else to wait for give him a long term deal, end all speculation and let’s focus on the season and winning some freaking games. This is not some Jameis fan saying this, this is just good business sense but that of course means the Bucs won’t do it and will pay out the nose for a franchise tag THEN pay even more after two consecutive great years to probably make Jameis one of the highest paid players in the league when they could avoid all of that and just sign him now…
July 6th, 2019 at 7:20 am
Ndog,
I hope you’re right that Jameis “blows up” this year and we have to franchise/pay him big bucks. I don’t see how we could pay him now though. We need proof he’s taken the next step, not just banking on great and getting mediocre.
July 6th, 2019 at 7:23 am
Ndog,
We “know” Jameis made mistakes 3-4 years ago, hence the suspension. You don’t get suspended for nothing and if Jameis did nothing, why not have his say in court? He lied to his team and he settled with the victim.
The narrative is that Jameis hasn’t done enough on the field and he needs to improve his TD:Turnover ratio.
Defense and running game be damned, Jameis needs to show consistency with take care of the football. Can’t win paying a QB top dollar to be a turnover machine. Facts!
July 6th, 2019 at 7:27 am
Can’t pay Jameis long term right now. We need to see that in year five he’s consistent and can be a game changer for us. The number one overall pick, a QB, should be Better than fourth best at his position in the division and ranked 20th overall by Ira.
Better results = Jameis beyond 2019. Ndog, acting like paying Jameis right now would be anything more than a Hail Mary hunch is laughable. However, I do respect your opinion and love debating with you. I want to see your description of Winston, but I just doubt the mans ability to play QB at a high level. Hope I’m wrong and he can take his game to the next level.
July 6th, 2019 at 7:33 am
6-10 sell the team to someone who gives a damn about winning.
July 6th, 2019 at 7:33 am
Before we start debating whether Winston is worthy of the franchise tag lets see if BA can do what most posters on this site doubt can be accomplished: simply putting a winning product on the field or at least have a team that will go over the +/- of 6.5 wins Vegas has opened with, actually get out of Joe’s Buccaneer Cove of dead last in division, win more than one road game this coming season and actually winning 5 home games for the first time in forever and forcing Joe to retire “The Den of Depression”…… Hard to have faith in a front office and franchise that drop kicks its fan base in the cojonnes year after year……..
July 6th, 2019 at 7:37 am
The issue with applying a franchise tag to a QB is inflation. Each year, contracts for QBs go up, usually by a good amount. Where you might pay 30-35 million per year in 2020, you might pay 35-40 million in 2021.
So, for that reason, I am against using the tag on our QB. We might even be able to negotiate a lower price if the timing is right. I could see applying the tag long enough to continue negotiations though.
July 6th, 2019 at 7:37 am
If Licht is in charge he will resign Jameis to be leagues highest paid qb
See how he overpaid average players like Marpet D Smith Jensen and many others
July 6th, 2019 at 7:39 am
SteveK since you “know” I would love to see your proof, I’ll wait. And yes that’s the narrative but if you look at history most players that have performed like Jameis has, numbers wise, in their first four years have gone on to have fantastic careers. But we will ignore all the FACTS much like yourself and follow the narrative and that my friend is why we continue to suck despite everything telling us to sign him now while we have leverage. You see the ones who do great things don’t listen to others they know what is right and do it. This franchise is notorious for worrying about others opinions and where exactly has that gotten us?
July 6th, 2019 at 7:41 am
FortMyersDave,
I believe someone can do it, and it might be Arians. I don’t doubt, I’m just guarding my emotions and making them prove what they can do.
Win or lose. Clean slate.
July 6th, 2019 at 7:42 am
Ndog…
…well said.
July 6th, 2019 at 7:46 am
Signing Jameis to a long term contract is a decision that should be evaluated
carefully. With any investment you have to consider whether you can afford to take the loss. Its also important to diversify and have the ability to sign other players.
Jameis will earn nearly 21 million to win some games and prove he can reduce his turnovers, make good decisions and give his receivers the best chance to make a play. Only Jameis can respond to coaching and correct this. Plenty to blame on Koetter ,but I don’t believe he was the one causing the TO’s that have plagued Jameis.
July 6th, 2019 at 7:52 am
SteveK Says:
“You don’t get suspended for nothing and if Jameis did nothing, why not have his say in court? He lied to his team and he settled with the victim.”
He did not have his say in court because the league took that right away. Their statement on his suspension made it clear that more time could be added if he put up a fight of any sort.clear
The NFL only found evidence that he was too drunk to drive and he took an uber. They found no evidence of the groping.
He settled in court because he didn’t want time added to his suspension. You might say he could have fought the NFL in court over it…but it would have been tied up in court for years and his career could not handle it.
Aside from that, he may have been too drunk to remember the second ride. After all, his friend had to walk him to the uber car and help him in.
So tell me, where do you ‘know’ he lied? Show me the evidence.
July 6th, 2019 at 7:53 am
Oh, and the NFL had no choice but to suspend himbecause of the media.
July 6th, 2019 at 7:53 am
It would seem that situations like that are what the franchise tag were made for … allows a team to keep an already very good or potentially very good player as a ‘bridge’ towards a final solution. In Moton’s scenario, the bridge solution would be needed to verify that Jameis had actually ‘turned the corner’ & become the franchise QB the Bucs have been searching for.
The advantage to this approach seems obvious in Jameis’ case: if he has a very good year, is THAT what we should expect from him year-after-year? Will he have finally ‘turned the corner’ OR would he revert to ‘Good Jameis-Bad Jameis’ once BA moves on? That’s for the Glazers to figure out.
But there’s another more germane question IMO that factors in: How many high-dollar (say over $10 mil annual average salary) players can a team afford in today’s salary Cap era and STILL be a consistent winning franchise? The model for answering that question today seems to be the Patriots, and their current answer is TWO. Only TWO of their players will make OVER $10 mil this year … QB Tom Brady ($15 mil) and CB Stephon Gilmore ($13 mil). Another winning team, the Saints, have THREE … QB Drew Brees ($25 mil), DE Cam Jordan ($17.5 mil) and LT Terron Armstead ($13 mil).
A franchise-tagged Jameis would probably make $30 mil all by himself. But then add in the other SIX Bucs already under contract for 2020 … ME13 ($16.5 mil), JPP ($15.5 mil), Donovan Smith ($13.8 mil), Ali Marpet ($10.8 mil), Ryan Jensen ($10.5 mil) and LVD ($10.1 mil). That totals to $107 mil for just SEVEN players, or 57% of the salary Cap of $188.2 mil, leaving $81 mil to feed the next 44 players (Top-51). This for a team with quite a few players already on 1-year ‘prove it’ contracts (like Barber, Nassib, Perriman, Barrett, etc).
Personal opinion is that 2019’s salary Cap ‘he11’ will seem like a cakewalk compared to what we’d be in store for if Bucs give Jameis … or ANY QB … a huge salary in 2020 or beyond. Bucs have already screwed the pooch for 2020 IMO.
July 6th, 2019 at 8:02 am
Depending on Jameis and the defense, I see 5-11 at best, 3-13 nightmare at worst and Arians cleans house. If Jameis gets it and performs, 8-8 is doable.
July 6th, 2019 at 8:03 am
why would fans smile at tagging the lying, fold like a lawn chair qb for around 30 million, only to have a wasted year in 2020 just like the 2019 season???????????? Why do the sheep need to see failure year after year and think something different will just happen?????? Shameful!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2019 will reveal answers to the sheep, that the “real” fans already know!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 6th, 2019 at 8:11 am
Defense Rules—
Wow. Thanks for the insight into the numbers of the Pats and Saints. And Bucs! Holy Cap Hell Batman!
Kind of makes you wonder what Arians could do with a studly QB talent taken in the first round? For about $5 million a year.
What could we do with the other $25 million to support him? Unless he self-identifies as a she, I guess. But anyway…
July 6th, 2019 at 8:12 am
See you don’t get it if Jameis plays exactly how he has played and our defense improves we are a 9-10 win team minimum. 2016 proved that, now if he maximizes his ability and the defense improves then we are looking at 11-13 wins, again he has already proven with any help, if only for 5 games, we will win with him. Now the Defense improving is a HUGE if and that is what we should all be concerned with not the QB.
July 6th, 2019 at 8:13 am
@Defense Rules:
Excellent post!
tickrdr
July 6th, 2019 at 8:14 am
Bonzai and NDog,
Did you all not see that Jameis was suspended by the league? I don’t supposed suspensions are handed out for nothing. All I am saying is that the he was suspended for inappropriate behavior. If Jameis is innocent, then why not challenge in court? He took his punishment because on some level he did something wrong. Did Jameis also settle up and pay the inner driver?
You guys also must know that if Jameis does something bone headed off the field, like he has a track record for: see FSU and Uber, then Jameis could be suspended/banned for a year.
July 6th, 2019 at 8:17 am
Not only is the play by Jameis on the field lead to major questions, but his off the field stuff should be a consideration too.
I hope he does well and leads us to the playoffs, but I feel like we will see too many turnovers and excuses like, “he needs more time” “first year offense bugs”, etc.
How about, our former number one overall pick at QB leads us to the playoffs! No excuses style!
July 6th, 2019 at 8:27 am
@defense
Totally agree. Signing Aaron Rogers has contributed to a steady decline of the
Packers. Way to much money invested in one player and not enough to pay others. You also risk a situation where the player has more power and leverage than the head coach. He got one coach fired and he is publicly questioning his new coach.
My issue with long term contracts as currently set up is the large amount of
guaranteed money paid up front. The Bucs have too many examples of not getting adequate return on investment.
July 6th, 2019 at 8:31 am
Bonzai,
Jameis was suspended for misbehaving, not because the media demanded it. Cmon dude.
July 6th, 2019 at 8:32 am
@Ndog:
The defense played not just “improved”, but played absolutely “lights out” at times during 2016.
For instance, during the five game winning streak they gave up a total of 64 points (12.8 ppg!!) and recorded 14 turnovers. That is NOT just improvement, that is playing better than the 2002 Bucs’ defense for that stretch. That performance allowed the Bucs to win, while the offense scored 19 vs. KC, 14 vs. Seattle, and 16 vs. NO. They even swept Carolina that year while scoring 17 points each game. Those wins were NOT won by Winston and all those “weapons for Winston”, but rather won by that defense.
tickrdr
July 6th, 2019 at 8:49 am
Bonzai,
I really can’t understand your reluctance to admit Jameis’s culpability.
The NFL reviewed the evidence including things that like electronic records that were not made public. They determined that Kate was believable and consistent
and Jameis and Darby were not.
July 6th, 2019 at 8:58 am
Well yall might get what yall want. I can’t understand why yall can’t see the real problem with this team lol lol . So what if we draft another quarterback and still lose every year than what??? Yall going to blame the new quarterback as well even though our defense sucks and our running backs are trash . I hope we keep Jamies and build a defense and get a good running back that’s what needs to be done. But the people on this site is not real fans of the bucs. Yall listen to everything the national media say. Have yall even noticed every time they talk about the bucs it’s never the defense witch is ranked at the bottom every year and they never talk about the running game at all. The only thing they talk about is Jamies cause they really want Jamies out of football that’s the hold idea. But when they talk about saints are the Falcons then they love to tell you how bad they defense is when they are losing. Matt Ryan with team he has should have been won a super bowl Jamies has never had the team that Matt Ryan has had or Brees. That’s why I know Jamies race plays apart of it and just because you got these black guys who go alone to get alone don’t mean nothing cause they way that black quarterbacks are treated in the NFL is right in yall faces. If there teams are losing it’s their fault but if team is winning it’s the defense and running game. Even when the Panthers were winning they still talked about the defense even when Cam was playing good. Look how they did Wilson the same way. Why do a black quarterback have to lose all his good players around him just to credit? Cause when the team lose then it’s their fault regardless how bad the defense is and his line in his running backs they have to win still and that’s just the truth. Now go ahead and say race card cause that’s just another way yall hide the truth lol lol lol lol …..
July 6th, 2019 at 9:02 am
Chrissy G says she has a relative in the NFL…. sorry sweetheart janitors don’t count.
July 6th, 2019 at 9:02 am
Sounds like a realistic projection…Imo, Jameis’ gun-slinging mentally goes hand and hand with BA’s “No riskit no biscuit” offensive philosophy…Jameis has gotten better every year so I expect this to be his best year yet…
As Moton points out, the difference will be BA getting Jameis to understand and buy into the situational aspect of the game…As the great Kenny Rogers once said, ” You gotta know when to hold’em, know when to fold’em, know when to walk away, and know when to run”…
July 6th, 2019 at 9:06 am
This debate will be going on for a long time. His haters will never waiver in their hatred. I am guessing he will play well, but this is a lousy team around him. They almost certainly don’t have enough talent to have a winning season. The haters will put all the blame on him even though he is FAR from the real concern on this team. Going to be a long off season in 2020 listening to all these guys saying the exact same things they are now.
July 6th, 2019 at 9:07 am
Tickrdr,
Who knew your analytics extended to the defense. It wasn’t a fluke, it was the
defense rising to the occasion. I’d wager that film study and preparation played a key role in the turnaround. Tandy for one was known for his film study and understanding of the game.
July 6th, 2019 at 9:34 am
I don’t think BA is a necessarily a goner if JW shats the bed.
What if we see JW go rogue and sucks like he likes to do?
July 6th, 2019 at 9:40 am
Chrissy G Says : “I have a relative in the NFL.”
How many times have we read that on JBF?
Jameis is going to have a great season. The rest of the team….meh.
July 6th, 2019 at 9:42 am
@Bob in Valrico … “It wasn’t a fluke, it was the defense rising to the occasion”. Totally agree with you Bob, but ‘what’s good for the goose is good for the gander’ apparently doesn’t apply in Bucsville … particularly to those who hold the defense solely responsible for all the losing that’s occurred since our SB victory.
I’ve seen that 5-game wining stretch in 2016 described as a ‘fluke’ numerous times. We beat 5 good teams primarily with defense (just like in ‘the old days’). Gave up 64 pts in those 5 games … 13 PPG average. in that stretch the Bucs offense scored 36 pts against the Bears, 28 pts against the Chargers, but then only 19 pts against the Chiefs, 16 pts against the Saints & only 14 pts against the Seahawks. In 3 of our 4 other wins that season, that same Bucs defense held the Panthers to 14 pts once & 16 pts in the 2nd game, plus held the 49ers to 17 pts. More flukes?
Not really. The Bucs defense that year was INCONSISTENT. In our 9 wins the Bucs defense gave up 135 pts total … an average of 15 PPG. In our 7 losses, that same Bucs defense gave up 234 pts total … an average of 33.4 PPG. No ‘flukes’ there; just a very up-and-down defense.
And oh BTW, in our 9 wins the Bucs offense had a TOTAL of 9 turnovers (1.0 TOs per game). In our 7 losses the Bucs offense had a TOTAL of 18 turnovers (2.6 TOs per game). And for another BTW, in 8 of our 9 wins in 2016 the Bucs WON THE TURNOVER BATTLE. Fluke? Any relationship between winning the turnover battle and wins? History says YES, but in Bucsville many folks just consider that to be a fluke I guess.
July 6th, 2019 at 10:04 am
Past performance is the best predictor of future performance.
Get ready for Jay-Miss to under throw the deep ball, fumble the ball, and pass to the other team in crucial situations while breaking the Bucs record for passing yards in a season.
July 6th, 2019 at 10:08 am
Exactly right, Bob. It’s disrespectful to only this victim but other victims far and wide to take the side of the player on this one. Clearly Jay-Miss did something illegal and reprehensible. The fact that the victim didn’t sue for sexual assault should be proof enough for anyone that she wasn’t lying and trying to get money from him. Actually, she did sue. https://apnews.com/d702be507e4f40b28af530e8bdc26c5d –Joe
July 6th, 2019 at 10:21 am
So far, everything is just talk, hype and speculation. Nobody knows what will actually happen until the team hits the field in real games.
However, what we all do know is that Jason Licht is very fortunate to still have his job.
July 6th, 2019 at 10:21 am
Tandy had a lot to do with that win rate and his constant film study. He is available right now and BA needs to either hire him as another Coach to help with meeting with the CBs and Safeties and teach film study and then work with the Special Team’s Coach to help our Special Teams since he was a top Special Team player for us, or just put him on our 53 man roster. Tandy Man is a winner!
July 6th, 2019 at 10:38 am
Franchise tag I think is a possibility, and it is the very best option Winston will get this year. However, if he does not play above where he has (particularly decision making and turnovers), and/or if other positions on the team are so needy a total rebuild is needed, and/or the front office decides him to be in the mix for why people still don’t come out to see this team (after 2017 sales dropped way way off, and dropped off again steeply during the year last year), then he’ll they he will be gone. Part of this last factor is largely part of fans continuing to be unhappy with his off field history. I’d bet handily they will not re-work any contract during the course of the year. If the other positions are so bad they need the cap space to rebuild, then they’ll draft a QB (cheaper), use the QB whisperer (and give him more formal power–and also pick the GM–an it won’t be allowed to be Licht), and use the franchise tag money to start over.
July 6th, 2019 at 10:39 am
Winston will go as the defense goes.
If the defense does not improve and allows teams to score at will as we saw the last two years, Winston will have another questionable year because he will have to play like every drive is do-or-die and he will make mistakes.
If the defense improves significantly, Winston will have an outstanding year, because he won’t have to score every drive for the team to win.
It’s really that simple.
July 6th, 2019 at 11:00 am
NDog- I completely agree the smart thing would be to sign him now. We will be paying 10 million more a year if we wait around. You’re also running the risk of losing him if you wait.
July 6th, 2019 at 11:36 am
Yes if he does well, franchise tag. Then move up for Trevor Lawrence in 2021’ lol
July 6th, 2019 at 11:48 am
6-10
July 6th, 2019 at 11:58 am
@D1, which fans are wanting Winston to fail? You clearly don’t come to this site very often. Heck there’s multiple people I can give you such as ALter EGo, Sunshine Ben, and Bucs realist just to name three off the top of my head. C’mon man you can’t be that blind.
July 6th, 2019 at 11:59 am
uh oh, a Jameis article, cue the haters and there “stats mean nothing, and all I count is wins” argument which is completely a crock of crap.
July 6th, 2019 at 12:25 pm
Cobraboy,
You state it’s really simple.
Defense improves significantly, Winston will have a great year.
I understand the appeal of that line of thought and I hope it’s proven true.
But what has me doubting your summary analysis is the sentence preceeding it.. If you hadn’t mentioned it, I may have accepted the easy part without a critical thought ever intruding on the feel good simple summary. But you did and that makes it anything but simple. What am I talking about?
Jameis won’t have to score every drive for the team to win. Cobra, that mindset is not, or specifically, has not , been easy to correct. You are claiming that one , defense, will prompt two, winston, to change. There’s an acceptance by you that it’s automatically going to occur. It’s easy.
A child who stick his fingers into a light socket and gets shocked , doesnt present any additional risk for a reoccurence. Getting shocked fixed the problem. Easy..
But there’s those few children who , for some reason, to stick their fingers back into the same light socket and get shocked again. Most of them, don’t continue doing that after the second time. But there’s those select couple of risk takers that go right back for the 3rd try. As a parent, it should raise an eyebrow at min, but it’s more likely to cause the parents to rethink how easy it is your prevent for the 4th time.
Then there’s a point after the 40th incident that any decent and semi intelligent parent would serious consideration that their child is mentally retarded, has a specific disability or any number of conditions that effect their child’s learning ability.
Cobra,n winston is that kid. And your acting like a parent who would blame the location of the location and size of the opening for the problem and offer up…hell grow out of it soon. Until then we ought a cover the socket.
Yeah, I realize it’s an out-there reply..I get it.
Question is, when do you. Notice the abnormality present in the situation and accept maybe still believe the problem is easy to fix but no where as easy as I thought. This shows signs of someone attempting to confront a reoccurring phenomenon.
July 6th, 2019 at 12:32 pm
JW must lead the team to seven wins to earn a one year deal from the Bucs.B.A will be here for at least two years even if they win three games.Releasing BA would reflect poorly on the owners and they will never do it!!!!!
July 6th, 2019 at 12:33 pm
MagaDude, you keep saying the same thing over and over about JW. I think many have moved on from this. I mean the president you support has been accused of sexual assault by 16 women, sleeps with a porn star while his wife cares for their infant son, claims that he can grab women’s privates when he feels like it, and you still support him. If a third of this country still supports that guy as the leader of the free world, surely many will come around on JW if he plays to his potential.
July 6th, 2019 at 12:52 pm
I dont care what the record is you dont fire Arians under an circumstances..It woukd be the yhe first time in his nfl career he was.fired and this would be the only organization stupid enough to do it.
If they dont win games under Arians then I will believe its the players, but thats not going to happen.
IT WAS ALWAYS THE COAHING!!!!!
July 6th, 2019 at 1:11 pm
“I’m not here for a rebuild.” — Bruce Arians, January 2019.
July 6th, 2019 at 1:24 pm
“Actually, she did sue.”
Yes, the victim did sue on the advice of her attorney and Winston settled 9 months later on his attorney’s advice. If he/attorney was 1000% confident in his position that he did nothing wrong, he would have sought justice from the civil court. He did not. This does not make the whole story or assertion true but it does bring some form of ownership that he felt settlement was in his best interest to close the issue where he was accused of inappropriate contact. I hope he learned his lesson about excessive drinking and intoxication in a public space.
July 6th, 2019 at 1:33 pm
Buc realist rules!
July 6th, 2019 at 1:39 pm
My prediction is we have a Hawaiian qb next year who wears the number 13
July 6th, 2019 at 1:41 pm
@D1: when you are programmed to win…and I do believe Winston is…and you know your defense can’t stop St. Mary’s School for Blind Girls…and that would be the Bucs defense the last few years…you will take more risks than necessary.
Imagine the fan outcry if, the Bucs being down two or three scores early, Winston took no risks. The hew and cry would be “Winston has no balls.”
Losing while not taking risks does not sit well with fans. We used to call that Dungy Ball. His teams had a D, but also a zero-risk O.
With risk comes rewards or failure. Winston has had both.
Imagine being a QB and watching your opponent consistently march down the field…every drive, no matter who the other team is. What are you going to do? Dump the ball off? Or push the ball downfield taking risks?
I’ll stick to my simplistic “a better defense means the QB doesn’t have to take as many risks” summation.
July 6th, 2019 at 1:46 pm
Cobra ,
As much as I respect your football knowledge.,I don’t think its that simple.
As a franchise QB he needs to play better against good defenses. His mistakes
change the momentum of games. Prime example is the Dallas game in 2016.
His 4 TO’s and 49 % completion rate helped keep us out of the playoffs. He has to take the next step and show he can beat these team by protecting the football. Good teams know how to capitalize on mistakes.
The entire offense needs to come together and finish the deal when we make big plays and not create drive killing plays.
Aggressive play on defense ,will hopefully create more opportunities for our offense and scores.
July 6th, 2019 at 1:54 pm
@TDTB…what does the President have to do with this? You keep bringing that up, but you have no idea who and what I support. You are some-body…delusional. Why are you bringing a third party into this anyway?
Now, I am contributing all reasons why Winston may or may not be signed. Joe is the one writing about the possibilities, and that’s a very relevent subject. I said “off field” this time and you melted down. Now, I don’t care that you like it or not. And how do you know who has and has not moved on from anything? And this site is pretty much Bucs fans. Don’t forget all those who are no longer…because of multiple reasons with this team. Those are ones needed to come back into the fold of supporting our local team.
July 6th, 2019 at 2:02 pm
“I’m not here for a rebuild.” — Bruce Arians, January 2019.
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Absolutely…but I don’t believe it’s Winston or nothing either for Arians. A HC that still likes a challenge may also jump at the chance to develop a 1st round pick QB…when it’s clear Winston isn’t guy. However, as stated before, I am just not sure if Arians will have it in him mentally and physically to hang around if this season goes south. So if the QB does, usually other things will. And if they start slowly (a distinct possibility given a tough schedule and all new schemes and coaches), I would not be surprised if BA will be eager for this season to just get over. Of course, the hope is they start fast, all do well, and they only need to put a few key pieces in place next year.
July 6th, 2019 at 2:16 pm
Since it was brought up (not be me), and since so many keep saying “nothing was proven” I can’t believe some are so stupid on this basic fact: The NFL findings make it “true”…at least true enough that if they find something like this again, Winston could be done in the NFL; not my words. Yeah, he says he was never in the car alone with her. Some say well maybe he was too drunk to know. No excuse. Here’s the next one: Oh, so you have never been drunk before and done somthing stupid? Many do, but few do anything THAT stupid…and I’ll leave it there. What? But he maybe he just wanted to “cop a feel?” I know a person who push back from a drunk a-hole wanting to “cop a feel” and she feel back, hit her dead, was in a coma, and is dead now. Sad how things get out of hand when you don’t own someones body but try to have it anyway, huh? And What electronic records did the NFL use? Anyone here know? The bottom line is folks here can say nothing is proven, or people have moved on (maybe THEY have. but I know many have not) but it is a very relevent issue before signing a guy up long term (a risk to consider) who already has a checkered past…to include with this current team.
Okay, I didn’t bring it up today….
July 6th, 2019 at 2:16 pm
Don’t be so proud of the Saints salary cap. Drew Brees contract expires at the end of 2019 season, but he has a $ 21.9 million cap hit on the 2020 Saints salary cap whether or not he is on the Saints next year or if he retires. So Saints will have $21.9 allocated for 2020 for nobody because they needed to create salary cap space in 2018 and 2019.
July 6th, 2019 at 2:43 pm
@TexBuc…scary with the Saints…with the team they are building AND with Brees eating up so much cap space. When he does decide to retire, I’d not be suprised for them to trade multiple future picks to move up and get their man, while Teddy is just a bridge QB. Sucks they are in our division.
July 6th, 2019 at 3:17 pm
The next qb the Bucs draft could be a HOF QB that takes the Bucs to 2 or 3 SB and several back to back playoff seasons and these Winston Fans will still be sour because it wasn’t JW that did it…
July 6th, 2019 at 3:21 pm
Cgmaster,
Realists, duh..Sorry I literally forgot because I don’t read his posts.
I will definitely look , or pay more attention to the others. I’m not sure if I just missed it or its from a group that posts when I’m not going to thensite.
But I agree that there’s a couple of people who want winston out because hes..winston. and there’s probably a couple more you could add. But what I don’t see is , any real numbers of fans with that attitude. Less than 10 at the top.
So when any discussion of winston starts there’s a point when words like haters comes into play and I believe the anti winston crowd is far far less in numbers then what some claim. Most , 90% my guess, dont place much faith in him, it’s understandable, and I don’t know how that can be attributed to hating the man. But thats just my perspective. To be fair, I believe that being a fan should be something that brings people together not divide them.
So its quite possible I overlook some of the actual haters ..because I don’t see them doing the same things as the other opposite side.
That’s precisely why I wanted names , so I could possibly understand why so much vitriol is spewed in the direction of anyone who merely has a different view. Change the team name to the storm trooper s and then I would expect intolence of opinions.
But it’s the bucs and I see more and more fascist intolerance directed at fans whose loyality is easily backup by there years of financial commitment , tixs, etc..these diehards…like jimmy Jack is now defined as a hater…? That’s not good. Especially sense he presents his opinions , and works to support how he arrived at the opinion. I disagree with points he’s made but I don’t see any reason to call him stupid or myself smarter.. what kind of human being needs to do that …be that….
It’s called an adult conversation and it’s fine to completely disagree with his opinion and respect the differences. Name calling and constant put downs is kids stuff.
Claiming superiority while claiming everyone else is stupid is ok…if you can back it up…..gotta respect it… but when it’s just arrogance and insults ..minus intellectual superiority. ….it’s offensive. It’s humorous and absurd but it’s disturbing too.
Time to step away from the soap box…..thank you for the info, apologize for a rant and close with…Im hoping for the team to win it all, hoping the players are all successful…and more importantly. .hoping that the team I’ve been a die hard fan of since the beginning. ..can use team success to bring the fans and city some small modicum of community and local pride. Unity .
Let’s be real all longtime season ticket holders as they’re days get short .we all will be sharing seats at the chemo docs office…hope it’s not adversarial
Because this team has only given season tixs holders a few winning seasons a super bowl…and skin cancer.
July 6th, 2019 at 3:48 pm
@Tye…good point…or the next QB could be more of the same of course, joining the list of every other 1 round QB who disappointed the team in one way or the other, who didn’t and/or couldn’t do what they were brought here to do (that includes the current one who has demonstrated he wasn’t committed enough to be there for his team ALL THE TIME. This franchise has been here for 40+ years and made the same mistakes for different reasons. No one player is bigger than the franchise….and particularly, it’s image and it’s future. They come and go.
July 6th, 2019 at 3:59 pm
Tye Says:
“The next qb the Bucs draft could be a HOF QB that takes the Bucs to 2 or 3 SB and several back to back playoff seasons and these Winston Fans will still be sour because it wasn’t JW that did it…”
Why is it so hard for some of you to understand that most of us are not just “Winston Fans”. We we’re and have been Bucs fans long before he got here. Will still be fans long after he goes too. Ndog….Ndog was here on JBF LONG before Winston was a Buc.
July 6th, 2019 at 3:59 pm
Bob,
You explained that so much better than myself. Kudos.
My convulted tale was just that but the point is why does winston believe he has to score every play or carry the team. There’s been an excessive amounts of failures , so much in total that its negative feedback loop is so impenetrable that it could change even the most mentality challenged salamander and force it to learn.
Winston’s mentality or mental health is something to serious question. He’s got way too much talent and knowledge of the game , upside, to leave any stone unturned. It’s not normal behavior and especially if you consider he was accepted to Stanford on an academic scholarship. He doesn’t lack smarts..
But somethings wrong other than defense, kicking, koetter, worst defense, no running game..my fear is we fix all those areas, the team wins and competes for a playoff spot..then this issue never gets addressed and the team is improved so much that it’s weak point is winston. Only winston. Once a team starts winning consistently we won’t be competing against teams bringing their belief and C games like now..we will get their best…any errors are magnified ten fold then…because the games will come down to a few plays..
No mistakes ..that’s why I say get this guy a sports psychological evaluation
And see if it’s maturing or wires…can’t hurt.
Btw…next year there’s a new CBA. ..so cap hits, resigning winston eatly..cap space…Is all about to change. There’s too many new variables to consider beforemaking any big fiance decisions, impossible to mitigate all the risk now because the variables have not even been identified yet alone had a value assigned. Glazer’s seem to avoid risk ….so a decision to sign winston now is just one man’s partially informed bright idea……let the sun shines on his back side today..
July 6th, 2019 at 4:08 pm
So after Smith was fired last year, 3 times the defense held teams to 21 points or less. What happened to Mr Excellent? Why couldn’t he beat those teams?
Oh he just had off days.
It was Koettter’s fault.
The other team gets paid too.
No running game.
The list of excuses could go on. So no it was not all the defense last year and people with eyes see it. This should be his make or break year.
July 6th, 2019 at 5:49 pm
Cobra,
Ok, I see where youre coming from…good points. It is a simpler formula as you laid it out. Can’t disagree with the process nor the conclusion.
Your view is an external view , mine is the internal. Specifically , how can winston improve without being reliant on externalities. I see a player doing exactly what you say he is….yes I’ve found myself and my team in those situations. (So it’s not unfamiliar to me the juggling act it takes to manage raw game time emotion, expectations internal and external, personal performance and drive. There’s more but you know. ) played harder and harder sometimes just expedited the conclusion.
Winston has that competitive fire, no doubt. But so do many other QBS. The absolute evidence that Winston seems incapable of processing failure is what you’re attempting to rationalize away. Winston has tried his best, to carry the team. Fact is , and it’s based on an long body of work, he isn’t capalble yet.
Personally, this is the exact point where I see Arians as a man who can elevate winston to higher status. I don’t believe koetters had the right style for winston. Arians isn’t going to accept stupid plays, and he will berate a player publically which dirk seemed unable to do, plus it appears winston is willing to accept changing. Coached hard.,that’s arians.
Winston to improve has to acknowledge the overwhelming collection of losses proves he’s not capable of winning the game with win every down idea. Avoid pressing to a point where mistakes become more frequent and costly.
Again, He’s chosen to play the same no matter the results or outcome.
That’s not external in nature, it’s enternal. That’s why I stick with the idea that changing his mentality is not a given. If it was, he should have began the process on a game by game basis.
If you think he’s not capable of adjusting game by game , or he’s always behind 3 scores by haltime, then you’ve done him a great disservice , you’ve lowered the bar. Worst thing you can do to stop player, as a fan, thats a wasted pick.
Again, Arians is going to move the needle much further and faster than koetter ever could dream of.
Last, I hope you’re right …….
July 6th, 2019 at 5:55 pm
If the Bucs generate a running game, the offense will be unstoppable.
All you need to do is look at last year’s Bears game tape and, on running plays, watch receivers running past each other confused on who they are supposed to block, Jensen and Marpet miscommunication on who they are blocking, Dotson getting manhandled (on running plays)
All this led to rb stuffs for loss, no gain or short gain.
And it all points to poor coaching- either too much information for Oline and rb’s to compute or poorly designed plays
Arians should fix all of above.
July 6th, 2019 at 7:23 pm
I don’t think Winston has to elevate to a “higher” status for the Bucs to win.
Just slow the other team down and limit mistakes.
Many teams have won SB’s with inferior talent at QB than Winston.
Football at its essence is a fairly simple game: push the other guy back, keep from getting pushed, and cross the goal line more than the other guy does.
For the Bucs to win in 2019, they need to:
-Kick a few more field goals without missing
-Slow down their opponents scoring to be in the middle of the pack
-Have Winston not try to win the game on every stinkin’ play by himself
IMO, all those are on coaching. And all those are doable.
I think it’s a mistake to get Winston to overanalyze and nuance. Keep it simple and instinctive. No need for a shrink.
July 6th, 2019 at 9:34 pm
@Cobra well said! I’m not looking for something special from Winston. If the defense gets to middle of the pack in the NFL, and kicking/ special teams improve, we should finish with more games won than lost. Today’s NFL is designed for teams to improve quickly. Only the Bucs and Browns have shown consistency in crapping the bed for a decade It’s time for this to change.
July 7th, 2019 at 8:51 am
Magadude, what exactly does your screen name mean? So you’re not a Trump fan and somehow you have his not so subtle racist campaign slogan as part of your screen name? I mean you chose to put MAGA into your screen name on a sports web site. If you are a fan of Trump it appears that you set a higher standard for football players than the president of the United States.
July 7th, 2019 at 10:22 am
@TouchDownTampaBay: can you take your politics elsewhere? I don’t know about others, but my football is solitude FROM all that crap.
July 7th, 2019 at 10:26 am
Tom Brady would be let go if he played under this sorry A## team the last 4 years. Give me a break! Let Winston go and you will be watching him from your couch come January in a few years. The ignorance of a Tampa fan is well known around the country.
July 7th, 2019 at 12:56 pm
TouchDownTampaBay
Hey this is a sports page, keep your political racist BS out of here!
July 7th, 2019 at 1:04 pm
Offensively this team can keep us in most games. We still need to work on the O-line and RB. Hoping for RJ to show up, or some kind of run game to help out.
Defensively we will be near the bottom of the league again. Our D-line is hurting, and the rest is littered with rookies. I do think they are athletic enough but they will show the “rookie-ness” in themselves.
I think JW will improve and sign a new contract with us. I don’t think we will go through a cleaning of the house, as we are already did that.