“Jameis Has Way More Upside Than Maybe Any Other Quarterback”
June 24th, 2019
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Now that, in his eyes, the Bucs got rid of their biggest problem, former Tampa Bay guard Ian Beckles doesn’t want the Bucs’ woes compounded by them dumping their quarterback.
Beckles, currently a popular local sports radio personality, is still celebrating the exit of former Bucs stud defensive tackle Gerald McCoy’s. But Beckles seems to worry about growing unrest over America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston.
While speaking on his podcast “In the Trenches” recently, Beckles believes the Bucs have their man at quarterback, and mocked former Bucs quarterback Chris Simms for ranking Jameis below Joe Flacco.
“To me, Jameis has way more upside than maybe any other quarterback probably in the NFL,” Beckles said. “You talk about accuracy? Accuracy to me has to do with being comfortable.
“If you are in practice and say, ‘Jameis, make these throws.’ He can make every throw. When you are comfortable with something that is easy to make a throw. When you are uncomfortable, now the ball starts soaring on you.”
Well, then what makes Jameis sometimes uncomfortable? Is it having no running game? Is (was) it a coach who Jameis may have thought didn’t have his back (Bucco Bruce Arians sort of hinted at this)? Is it not enough time to throw from the pocket? Or have off-field stunts gotten to him in the middle of games?
Joe believes Jameis will be a better quarterback not so much for who the Bucs got (Arians) but who they got rid of (malcontent wide receiver DeSean Jackson).
Call it addition by subtraction.
As always, Beckles welcomes feedback and encourages listeners to submit Bucs questions by e-mailing him at IanBeckles@RadioInfluence.com.
June 24th, 2019 at 8:03 am
Who will you be writing about after he is benched after week4???
June 24th, 2019 at 8:06 am
When you are at the bottom of the heap of course you have better upside potential. Look at Tom Brady – his upside is limited because of how much he has already achieved.
Look if Trent Dilfer can take the Bucs to the promised land I certainly believe that Jameis can do that.
If the Bucs defense can hold opposing teams to under 20 points a game that yes Jameis can get comfortable and play ‘relaxed. However if the Bucs spot other teams 10 points in the first quarter then all bets are off.
June 24th, 2019 at 8:10 am
Every young player has potential/upside it’s just up to the player to learn from their mistakes and reach that upside. Even when Jameis is comfortable and has time he’s still missing guys, staring down receivers or forcing it to his favorite targets rather than hit the open man.
He’s the only QB drafted since 2015 who hasn’t had consecutive games where he’s thrown for 3 or more TD’s in a game.
June 24th, 2019 at 8:17 am
Mr Lucky
Only 8 teams in 2018 held teams to 20 points or less per game…
Asking that of the Bucs D, is asking way too much. Especially if Jameis is a franchise QB like some claim he shouldn’t need a top 10 to carry him
If the Bucs can get in that range of giving up 23 points a game that would give them a chance and be a 6 point improvement from last year.
June 24th, 2019 at 8:23 am
sink or swim this season
June 24th, 2019 at 8:53 am
Blaine Gabbert by week 4
June 24th, 2019 at 8:53 am
nice try joe
June 24th, 2019 at 9:15 am
Again if you like Winston root for his success and if you don’t like him then root for him to fail.
June 24th, 2019 at 9:23 am
Blaming Jackson is getting old. If he has another bad year (which is likely, given his history), who are ya gonna blame then?
June 24th, 2019 at 9:24 am
He is more talented then most QBs on NFL
It just hasnt worked out on field the same way when playing games that count and bullets start flying.
That’s why arians was hired.
Let’s see if he can get that out of Jameis.
June 24th, 2019 at 9:32 am
Pretty sure ian fires up some canadian ragweed before his podcasts sometimes. Mahomes is one QB that comes to mind.
June 24th, 2019 at 9:38 am
21 Jameis Winston TAM 24 QB 11 9 3-6-0 244 378 64.6 2992 19 5.0 14 3.7 64 7.9 7.3 12.3 272.0 90.2 71.8 27 157 7.00 6.38 6.7 0 1
Winston was the 21st most accurate passer in the NFL. EVERYONE is accurate these days.
Another dumb quote.
June 24th, 2019 at 9:41 am
Bird Says:
June 24th, 2019 at 9:24 am
That’s why arians was hired.
Let’s see if he can get that out of Jameis.
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Bird, Arians is completely hands off of Winston. This is well known on here. Arians is letting Leftwich work with Winston. You’ve been had buddy.
June 24th, 2019 at 9:45 am
winston and the team will improve because they have better coaching around them….simple as that….
GO BUCS!!!!
June 24th, 2019 at 10:13 am
Jameis’ stats last year were roughly the same as Joe Montana’s in his fourth year, the strike shortened season.
What does that mean? Who knows. But give Jameis a running game that occasionally picks up 4 yards on 1st down and a defense that occasionally gets a 3 and out or an INT and let’s see what happens.
For all you ready to give up, and I thought he was done after Cincinnati last year, how many Bucs QBs have gone 9-7 at least once? The kid isn’t even in his prime, yet.
June 24th, 2019 at 10:20 am
Winston being gone will also be addition by subtraction over the longer run. The last remaining stain on a terrible period.
June 24th, 2019 at 10:27 am
Yea, and I’m a more talented singer than Ashlee Simpson! Look where that has got me!
We have to stop acting like it’s the end of the world if we have to move on from Jameis. We’ve been bad with and without him. It’s the NFL. Lots of players with “talent” have come and gone.
June 24th, 2019 at 10:42 am
modhairken – You just embarrassed yourself or showed your age to be 15 years old or something. Do have any clue of the rules back then? The CB could be all over the WR back then. You basically had to mug the WR to get a PI call or def holding. Two different worlds. Try relative completion % which I posted. Winston was 21st in the league. Do you think that is very good? Yes or No?
June 24th, 2019 at 10:45 am
Say it LOUDER for the people in the back!!!!!
“You can’t have that many [quarterback] hits,” Koetter said.
https://www.joebucsfan.com/2018/12/cant-many-hits/
C-O-M-F-O-R-T-A-B-L-E
June 24th, 2019 at 10:59 am
ModHairKen Says:
June 24th, 2019 at 10:13 am
Jameis’ stats last year were roughly the same as Joe Montana’s in his fourth year, the strike shortened season.
What does that mean? Who knows. But give Jameis a running game that occasionally picks up 4 yards on 1st down and a defense that occasionally gets a 3 and out or an INT and let’s see what happens.
T REX did u read the part where he said what does that mean who knows. It’s not like he said Winston is the next Montana but I agree with the run game n defense part. Hes our qb at least this year so how bout the “bucs fans” get behind him instead of predicting he’ll be benched by week 4. If crap like that is what y’all think being a fan is about go be a Atlanta Facklons fan SMMFH
June 24th, 2019 at 11:48 am
Same moronic comments different day
June 24th, 2019 at 12:14 pm
JW has buyer’s remorse written all over it… Regret just waiting to happen.. like a drunk person waking up in the morning looking over at someone thinking WHAT HAVE I DONE!
June 24th, 2019 at 1:29 pm
Of course JW will have a lower completion % than most QB’s. He is virtually the leader in air yards. Meaning his passes travel the furthest in the air. This was Koetter’s offense. A lot of these other QB’s throw the ball to pass catching backs. Winston has not had a real 3 down pass catching back in his 4 years. All that being said he has improved his completion % from 58% to 64% in his 4 years.
June 24th, 2019 at 3:23 pm
Love Ian! Im glad him and ronny are back together, love the show. Jay Recher does a great job as well.
June 24th, 2019 at 4:36 pm
LMAO here. Jameis has way more upside? we been stuck on this saying for what now? 4 yrs?
June 24th, 2019 at 7:07 pm
Dapostman,
When they chart completions /attempts and include the areas that these passes are thrown to it takes away your explanation. I say takes away because when accounting for area thrown to, jameis is below avg league wide on almost all areas. Usually He is above average on a couple but even they’ve been inconsistent from year to year.
As far as his completion avg going up. Most if not all of that can be attributed to his receivers and the fact that the winston was plagued by drops his first 2 years. Adjust for that and it’s not much if any gain that can be attributed to winston.
Is there something else to point out that clearly shows improvement?
June 24th, 2019 at 7:51 pm
I do believe Beckles upside statement…My problem is, just about 6 months or so ago he was saying we needed to move on from Jameis??
Imho, if we give this kid a defense and a running game he can win games; the problem is we can’t expect Jameis or any other QB to score 30+ points every week because the defense is soft as vanilla pudding….
June 24th, 2019 at 8:01 pm
After reading all the comments it would be interesting to have a Joe poll:
Does Jameis Winston have lots of upside potential?
A. Yes
B. No
C. Maybe
D. Give me a drink
Personally I think A followed closely by D
June 24th, 2019 at 9:49 pm
@D1,
2018 Next gen stats says Winston is #1 in intended air yards at 10.8. Fitzpatrick second at 10.2.
2018 completed air yards Winston #2 at 8.4. Fitzpatrick #1 at 8.8.
These are facts. Even by the eyeball test if you follow the Bucs you can see the Tampa QB’s throwing to WR and TE positions. They do not dump the ball off to RB’s. Stating plagued by drops is not a fact since you offered no data just hyperbole.
June 24th, 2019 at 10:18 pm
More facts from Next gen stats:
2017:
Jameis Winston #3 in intended air yards behind D Watson & D Stanton
Jameis Winston T #2 in completed air yards tied with Went behind Watson.
2016:
Jameis Winston #2 in intended air yards behind C Newton
Jameis Winston #3 in completed air yards behind M Barkley & C Newton
2018:
Jameis Winston was #2 in intended air yards behind Josh Allen*
Jameis Winson was #2 in completed air yards behind Fitzpatrick.
*Missed him from looking on my phone.
The further the ball is thrown down the field the better chance of an incompletion.
It ain’t rocket science. These are all facts from Next Gen Stats.
June 25th, 2019 at 2:32 am
Dapostman,
Receivers dropping passes was a common theme on the site. It was mentioned I don’t know. .about a thousand times. If memory serves correctly,
Lord Corn claimed he reviewed each play and counted all the drops that should have caught. It’s not hyperbole, it’s the arguement many if not all you guys made at the time. But now it’s hyperbole. ….too funny.
Btw, if you’d like the data on dropped passes from the first years till present its available. Look it up. I believe it will show that compared to yr 1 and 2 theres been fewer dropped passes. Also, this site has several articles referencing Mike Evans drops and how todd monken helped evans improve . Hyperbole isn’t a smart reply considering the amount of posts and articles from this site alone.
Regarding air yards per attempt, I’m not disagreeing with the facts. Nor with the idea that the further the ball has to travel the possibility of an in completion increases. That’s sound thinking. It’s great if you’re interested in generalizations. Because common sense holds it true.
But that’s not an accurate assessment of a specific player . Because when the focus is on a single player , the data exists to move from generalizations to specifics..
The problem with your argument is obvious, it relies on average yds not accual yds. It doesn’t account for throws beyond the avg depth and certainly makes no distinction between a 10yd throw and a 50yd throw. I mean this is pretty basic stuff and it’s not a stretch to question why you don’t understand.
Next gen charts all the throws , including distances, and compares a player’s avg to the leagues avg. Throws over 10 yds and below 20 to the right sideline is an area where winston was in the elite catagory. It was an area that He outperformed any other area by a good margin. Now that fact is completely counter to your general idea. The fact that next gens data as its compliled negates the very basis of your argument. Let that sink in. There’s no avg air yds to consider, thus it’s moot. Only actual pass attempts and completions, broken down by area is utilized.
If you believe that Winston didn’t throw any short passes you’d be incorrect. If you’re of the belief that a short pass to a running back is fundamentally different than a short pass to a receiver, I would agree. A receiver has better hands than a back so the completion % should be higher on these throws.
The info you replied with is an indication that you really didn’t understand the post. Hopefully, this will help clarify the confusion.
June 25th, 2019 at 9:38 am
@D1,
We are supposed to believe your spin and not Next Gen Stats? Thanks for playing.
I’ll take their stats over your hyperbole any day and every day.
June 25th, 2019 at 10:02 am
Ian Beckles is as two-faced as they come. Only months ago he was doing nothing but putting down Jameis.
June 26th, 2019 at 2:01 am
We lost 4 games last year by 3 points or less. Lets hope we can win more of those close games. Mat Gay might be the answer to are kicking woes. That will go along way to getting back to the post season. Winston showed improvement over the second half of the season last year. Yes he needs to play better but so dose the whole team. New year with new coaches. Media sells panic. Its all they got to go on with how bad they played the in last decade.