Flashback
June 5th, 2019
Hasn’t lost it.
Joe had seen this before.
Joe shared this with readers years ago but Joe was visiting friends on Labor Day Weekend 2013 in Pittsburgh when he learned Florida State was playing Pitt at Heinz Field, home of the Steelers (and the Pitt Panthers).
It was a nationally televised game and Joe and a friend decided to go. There was a freshman quarterback making his first start for Florida State, a guy by the name of “Jameis Winston.” The only thing Joe know about Jameis at the time was that he was supposed to have put on a show at Florida State’s spring game earlier in the year.
Little did Joe know this same quarterback would make college football history, and later, come to Tampa Bay to try to save a dormant but once proud franchise.
That Labor Day night, Jameis damn near threw a perfect game. It’s why when Joe hears the cries of the haters that Jameis is inaccurate, Joe remembers that night and smirks. If that display in downtown Pittsburgh was coming from an inaccurate quarterback, Joe sure as hell wants to see an accurate quarterback.
In his college football debut, Jameis was 25 of 27 (one incompletion was a dropped pass) and threw for 356 yards and four touchdowns in a 41-13 rout. And that was with a guy by the name of Aaron Donald for Pitt chasing Jameis.
Plays are still vivid for Joe from that night. At one point, Joe’s friend turned to Joe and asked, “Are you seeing what I’m seeing?” Another time Joe’s friend said, after Jameis threaded a needle for a completion, “You said this guy is a freshman?” On a pass that somehow found a receiver between two defenders Joe asked out loud, “How did he complete that?”
At the end of the night, both Joe and his friend were convinced Jameis was the second-coming of Peyton Manning.
One of those unreal passes Jameis made that night Joe saw once again today during underwear football practice at One Buc Palace.
The Bucs offense had the ball roughly on the 10-yard line. Jameis, a former relief pitcher for Florida State, showed off that he still has a 95 mph fastball.
Jameis looked left and fired an absolute rocket-on-a-rope to the left far corner of the end zone to Chris Godwin. Problem was, there were three defenders between Godwin and the ball and the window was about as big as a plate of Hooters wings.
VROOM! Jameis rifled a Roger Clemens-like strike that somehow got past the hands of the three defenders right into the waiting arms of Godwin.
It was as beautiful of a pass as you will ever see.
And it reminded Joe of that humid Labor Day evening in Pittsburgh where a freshman quarterback first captivated the nation.
America’s Quarterback.
June 5th, 2019 at 3:19 pm
But there lies the problem with that pass. It is to three defenders in a tight window the pass has to be perfect and even if it is a perfect pass 50% of the time the other 50% of the time it is an interception and points taken Off the board. So it’s a throw he shouldn’t make if it has to be that perfect.
June 5th, 2019 at 3:24 pm
Jameis was surrounded by 5 star talent at FSU….surrounded by two star talent in Tampa
June 5th, 2019 at 3:27 pm
i too remember seeing Jameis early in his college career. i’m not an FSU fan at all, but i just remember thinking, “if the Bucs could only get him!” he was super the game i first saw on TV. the jury’s still out here in Tampa. I believe it’s all about learning to “grind”… control the game, particularly in the 2nd half, take some shots occasionally when they’re there, use your running game, play well and make plays when the game is on the line! Go Jameis, GO BUCS!
June 5th, 2019 at 3:28 pm
You sir, are a poet.
June 5th, 2019 at 3:29 pm
TOM EDRINGTON Says:
June 5th, 2019 at 3:24 pm
Jameis was surrounded by 5 star talent at FSU…
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going against DB’s that are out of football …Jameis to Benjamin was like a dad playing basketball with his 10 year old son….all jameis had to do was throw the ball and let the WR run under it….nothing like the NFL game
June 5th, 2019 at 3:30 pm
Oh make no mistake,I’ve watched you MOs talk ish for years. But we about to see what’s good when he surrounded with talent the way he is now. Bunch of you MOs about to STFU I assure you.
June 5th, 2019 at 3:31 pm
And I’m looking for bets if anyone interested.
June 5th, 2019 at 3:47 pm
He made that same pass to Humphries last yr. I can’t remember which game but even Hump was surprised he caught it.
Diff between then and now is that at FSU he had a clean pocket and time to pass. Not to mention Cook and Telvin Smith to help him out but wtfdik
June 5th, 2019 at 3:51 pm
I was stunned watching that Pitt game also and I believe Arians will be Winston’s Jimbo in the NFL.
June 5th, 2019 at 3:51 pm
Jeff Buc! And if one guy is covered by 3 DBs then, 1-2 other dudes should be wide open. The brain should still control the entire body. An arm that strong is a blessing and a curse!
I hope he and the team improves!
June 5th, 2019 at 3:57 pm
Jameis is capable of making plays that literally only a handful of QBs in the NFL can achieve.
Part of the “problem” is – he knows it – and has tended to try too often over the last 4 years at threading that needle.
Patience and learning to ‘pick his shots’ will come with more experience and good coaching.
If Jameis can stay healthy and the OLine can do an adequate job of protecting him – I expect Winston to have a monster year in 2019. Like 35 TDs or so…
June 5th, 2019 at 4:06 pm
Pickgrin Says:
June 5th, 2019 at 3:57 pm
Jameis is capable of making plays that literally only a handful of QBs in the NFL can achieve.
Part of the “problem” is – he knows it – and has tended to try too often over the last 4 years at threading that needle.
Patience and learning to ‘pick his shots’ will come with more experience and good coaching.
If Jameis can stay healthy and the OLine can do an adequate job of protecting him – I expect Winston to have a monster year in 2019. Like 35 TDs or so…
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Very well said @Pickgrin.
The only thing I will add is I think Jamies has felt the need to take risks, because he knew his running game, defense and special teams were all atrocious.
June 5th, 2019 at 4:09 pm
There’s the old reliable NOSBOS. Never lets us down.
Didn’t you make a bet with somebody on here a few years ago? If I recall you lost the bet. Correct me if I’m wrong. He was hounding you to pay up. Wasn’t it for a jersey or something?
I know one of the other posters remembers.
June 5th, 2019 at 4:10 pm
The pass to Hump was vs ATL. When he threw for 345 and 4TDs.
June 5th, 2019 at 4:10 pm
The question is NOT about his arm strength…it’s about his BRAIN strength. Throwing to a receiver with TRIPLE COVERAGE?? Seems dumb to me. Another receiver had to be a better option….or don’t throw it!! And NOSBOS…what’s the bet you’re proposing? Lay it out…I’m interested!!
June 5th, 2019 at 4:10 pm
Wish I had the film for this stuff. I very much doubt 3 defendes were all draped on Godwin in the corner of the end zone. Guessing it’s more like 3 defenders were in the area and maybe one was actually semi locked up with Godwin in the corner.
I mean when have we seen plays where 3 DBs are all in one corner of the end zone on 1 WR? Unless they are running a really weird formation for practice lol
Many of our TDs have been corner fades with Evans/Godwin but I’d prefer we use more high % TD passes.
Per the log yesterday that’s exactly what they were doing. Lots of RB screens / flat passes to WR or TE / to let them get some YAC for a TD vs a tight window pass. 10 passes from the 10 yard line for 5 TDs is pretty freaking good
June 5th, 2019 at 4:15 pm
Sadly that was the outlier game of his career
He’s yet to come close to another game like that
June 5th, 2019 at 4:20 pm
TexBuc survey says: correct sir,BA is his Jimbo in the NFL.
June 5th, 2019 at 4:28 pm
Joe—
In vintage Pavlovian form, I was bracing myself for this very positive and encouraging article to somehow take a turn to a negative light. “Wait for it…wait for it…WAIT for it!”
But not a turn did it take.
Awesome! Thank you! That was a pleasure to read as you took us down memory lane.
June 5th, 2019 at 4:38 pm
Never wrote that. Description of coverage in story is very clear.
June 5th, 2019 at 4:41 pm
Jameis captivated a nation… we all remeber that
June 5th, 2019 at 4:50 pm
@ loyal
So obviously you were not around his rookie year when he threw 5 tds and 0 ints against philly? There are more but haters like you refuse to acknowledge them
June 5th, 2019 at 4:54 pm
Great college coach and finally has a great NFL coach MVP breakout season incoming.
June 5th, 2019 at 5:02 pm
Unfortunately freshman Jameis has so far been peak Jameis.
June 5th, 2019 at 5:09 pm
That has been Jameis’ problem all along. He throws to the guy covered by 3 defenders and completely forgets about the other 2 defenders who are most likely wide open. Yes 50% of the time when the play is made it makes the highlight reel and everyone is praising his arm strength , but the other 50% when the ball is INT or batted away causing us to lose the game then we all questions his judgement. So which is it Joe? We cannot keep giving this guy an excuse that he’s young; he’s a veteran QB now still making rookie mistakes. Don’t get me wrong I like Winston but I hate it when he plays Russian roulette with his passes.
June 5th, 2019 at 5:09 pm
*2 receivers or TE ARE WIDE OPEN.
June 5th, 2019 at 5:11 pm
“Never wrote that. Description of coverage in story is very clear.”
You’re definitely right Joe my bad / apologies. Not sure why I read it the way I did.
Might have been the negative comments that seemed to suggest he threw a ball in triple coverage which isn’t what you are describing here at all:
“Problem was, there were three defenders between Godwin and the ball and the window was about as big as a plate of Hooters wings.”
I harp on reading comprehension a lot so I feel like I need a time out or something to put me in my place.
Keep up the great work!
June 5th, 2019 at 5:15 pm
But Joe, you DID say…”Problem was, there were three defenders between Godwin and the ball and the window was about as big as a plate of Hooters wings.”
So now there weren’t three defenders between Godwin and the ball, that Winston had to thread through? He still shouldn’t throw that pass, period.
June 5th, 2019 at 5:22 pm
Still waking on the second coming….
June 5th, 2019 at 5:23 pm
I remember a Monday night football game a couple years back against Atlanta I believe. Jameis was throwing straight dimes all night. Accurate tight window passes. I thought that was his coming out party for everyone in the nation too see that this kid was the real deal. It was a shame that once again the defense shat the bed and we lost on a last minute 50+ yard field goal.
June 5th, 2019 at 5:28 pm
Aw, Joe…you didn’t like my response to Winston “captivating the nation” two other times? lol…I never used the fel…word!!
June 5th, 2019 at 5:30 pm
@Morgus/Army/and whoever else is freaking out over this:
3 players in the area or between Winston/Godwin does not auto = triple coverage.
Just imagine a throw from typical pocket where there are 2 WRs on the left hash with 2 CBs on them plus a S up top. Technically 3 players could be in the area in that situation with single coverage + S help. Not triple coverage.
Or think of any play with an intermediate pass where a LB could be in between the QB and his target despite not covering that target but rather sitting in a zone to prevent a shallow route.
That does not = triple coverage which I mistakenly took this description as too. Most throws in the NFL occur in traffic.
Without seeing the exact play it’s impossible to say it was a bad decision. What Joe described does not mean there were wide open guys elsewhere. Everyone could have been covered up to where that was his best match up to take a shot on.
GO BUCS
June 5th, 2019 at 5:30 pm
Joe.
Do you have a room at JW’s
June 5th, 2019 at 5:33 pm
We will find out the first two games SF will have Dee Ford, Nick Bosa and Arik Armstead coming after him every down. Carolina will have Kwanne Short, Mario Addison, Bruce Ervin, Poe not to mention GMC coming every down. If he comes out on top both games we will have a good season.
June 5th, 2019 at 5:38 pm
Jameis’s 45-17 game (2015) in Philadelphia was just about as impressive as that Pittsburgh game his freshman year.
June 5th, 2019 at 5:43 pm
Let’s see, Freshman year, first game, no film on him, Pitt knew nothing about him, Kelvin Benjamin, Rashad Green and Nick O’Leary to throw to, if memory serves me correctly.
He was damn near perfect in that game, and it’s been downhill ever since for Jay Miss. That’s the game that made him the #1 overall draft pick. Unfortunately, in year 2 starting at FSU he wasn’t nearly as good. Since he’s been here, he hasn’t been good at all or come close to living up to the hype of the #1 overall draft pick.
Hopefully, this year he’ll turn it around, but I have my doubts.
June 5th, 2019 at 6:03 pm
It’s funny people talk like washed up Kawann short,Dontari pie and softie are about to put fear in people. As for 9ers explain to anything Arik Armstead has done in the NFL. First let bosa complete a practice before you assume he about to go ape s•*^$ and if fee ford was so dominant he wouldn’t have made it out KC.
June 5th, 2019 at 6:12 pm
You can always tell when NOSMAAL be fired up.
The Ebonics be kicking yo……
June 5th, 2019 at 6:22 pm
And Joe has pictured Jameis naked ever since
June 5th, 2019 at 6:24 pm
Jameis’ main issues last year were getting baited by disguised coverages and coming from behind, coupled with no running game , leading to qb pressure and forced throws.
Both issues can and should be corrected by Arians
June 5th, 2019 at 6:34 pm
Vroom!
My 5 year old nephew says the same thing
Wow
June 5th, 2019 at 6:41 pm
It’s always like that with him Doosh.
Most people never reply to him and the ones who do, he says he doesn’t suffer them.
Nike on Saturday, Buc on Sunday. He’s been the same ABM for years. Like jekyl and Hyde. Hey Nole Buc, smoke something. Get your meds right. Carry on.
June 5th, 2019 at 6:43 pm
Nole on Saturday,Buc on Sunday.
June 5th, 2019 at 6:54 pm
Just another friendly reminder. Do not make any bets with NOSBOS because he wont pay you back for 3 months and then when he finally gets around to it he wont pay you the full amount owed.
So steer clear.
June 5th, 2019 at 7:14 pm
LMAO, NO ONE CARES ABOUT THE SUCCANEERS, DOES THE NFL NETOWRK, NOPE, THEY TALK ABOUT EVERY OTHER TEAM,, DOES ESPN, NOPE, DOES THE 40,000 PER GAME, 3RD WORST ATTENDANCE IN THE NFL LAST 10 YEARS, NOPE… ONLY PEOPLE THAT GIVE A CRAP ARE THE 25 OR SO LOSERS WHO POST ON THIS SITE NONSTOP ALL DAY, LMAO SAN DIEGO SUCCANEERS 2026
June 5th, 2019 at 7:14 pm
Lord:
We’re good!
June 5th, 2019 at 7:57 pm
Boy does Joe love him some Winston. From the title I thought Jameis assaulted another woman.
June 5th, 2019 at 8:00 pm
Let me help you guys out. For those of you who don’t record every game and watch them in the off-season like a total loser like me, you can get great overviews of each game rather easily.
1. Google 2018 Bucs
2. Click on the Wikipedia page
3. Click on regular season
4. At the far right side of each game listed there’s a video re-cap. It re-directs you to nfl dot com where you can see the entire game (usually 10 min recaps) or individual highlights of each play.
5. You can go back as far as you’d like 2018, 17, 16, doesn’t matter most videos are still up and working.
Here’s what you’re going to learn. When JW has 3 seconds or more to throw he’s absolutely lethal. When he has 2-3 defenders in his face 1.5 seconds after the snap he turns the ball over. Shocking I know but whatcha gonna do?
Or if you prefer you can continue your clueless rants about how this and that and ATM blah blah blah either way it’s all good. If you haven’t already heard the Bucs got tremendously better last week, turnovers or not.
June 5th, 2019 at 8:00 pm
@Webster
I was at that game, that was the Doug Martin show dude was running wild on the Eagles D. Jameis looked great but not like he did in the college game that Joe is talking about.
Jameis has had maybe 5 or 6 nearly elite performances as a pro but not like that first game. Good try though
June 5th, 2019 at 8:02 pm
nice try joe
June 5th, 2019 at 8:09 pm
Can we get immediate moderation for anything that says Succaneers? At least force him/her to post something that pertains to to article posted like you used to. Yes too time consuming so just a temporary block will do.
June 5th, 2019 at 8:10 pm
Jameis hasn’t been the problem it’s been the Bucs D
June 5th, 2019 at 8:18 pm
Well then DB55….how is this draft class going to get Jameis those extra 1-2 seconds
June 5th, 2019 at 8:19 pm
Slugglife Says:
June 5th, 2019 at 4:09 pm
There’s the old reliable NOSBOS. Never lets us down.
Didn’t you make a bet with somebody on here a few years ago? If I recall you lost the bet. Correct me if I’m wrong. He was hounding you to pay up. Wasn’t it for a jersey or something?
I know one of the other posters remembers.
……………
Not sure Slug, I know he won a Jersey bet with me and I payed up.
June 5th, 2019 at 8:40 pm
😁I ain’t even got no comeback for yo simple @$$ Doosh. Cause that was funny.
June 5th, 2019 at 8:53 pm
Seriously? Joe says “That Labor Day night, Jameis damn near threw a perfect game. It’s why when Joe hears the cries of the haters that Jameis is inaccurate, Joe remembers that night and smirks. If that display in downtown Pittsburgh was coming from an inaccurate quarterback, Joe sure as hell wants to see an accurate quarterback.”
So we have to go back to his first game as a starter in college? I do agree it’s been downhill trending since. No really, I’d rather look at the whole body of work and what he brings to the franchise and community. So far. Shame. Mediocrity. Los of turnovers. Losing record. Non-leader.
June 5th, 2019 at 8:56 pm
The ” Best ” QB in Buccaneers history is not even on track to make the Ring of Honor at Ray Jay.
The Pitt game…ancient history.
His second year at FSU was more what Jameis became.
Lets see what BA can do.
June 5th, 2019 at 8:57 pm
DB55 says “Here’s what you’re going to learn. When JW has 3 seconds or more to throw he’s absolutely lethal. When he has 2-3 defenders in his face 1.5 seconds after the snap he turns the ball over. Shocking I know but whatcha gonna do?”
Thanks for the unremarkable non-revelation. It means he’s like most pro QBs who can throw when given time, but gives the ball up too much anyway. Not a franchise QB. Not a leader. Not worth the pain he brings. Whatcha gonna do? Move on from Winston.
June 5th, 2019 at 9:34 pm
Lil different ball and a lil longer motion against guys that were a lil slower . He always struggled with deep drops in the middle of the field and slow starts but never with accuracy or getting in front and under the ball , both of which he has as a professional . Remember his o coordinator couldn’t change his motion and due to that long long motion he just couldn’t operate well in the nfl pocket , Winston has shortened the motion but he just isn’t on top of and driving the ball like in college . However he has done what Byron couldn’t do it has affected him and if they let him open up and drive the 30 yard plus ball he will be accurate down field also but he may have the ball knocked out . Block a lil better and let him drive it and follow through a bit more and he will be awesome !!! Keep him short and o line collapsing on him and he will struggle 25 plus and high on way to many .
June 5th, 2019 at 9:45 pm
Joe what happened to the notes?
June 5th, 2019 at 10:21 pm
D$&@ slug,my OG SB put ya whack @$$ on blast. In the event you don’t comprehend slang or Ebonics as Douche calls it. He brought your unsettled business to the forefront of this site for every and anyone to become aware of the type of person you are. There,was that easy enough to understand. And thanks again for jersey SB.
June 5th, 2019 at 10:25 pm
sorry bucinjim, i will run all comments by you for approval before submitting
June 5th, 2019 at 10:28 pm
Altered
Hence why I was talking about Richie Incognito. But ….
June 5th, 2019 at 10:31 pm
Make or Break time for Jameis
June 5th, 2019 at 10:50 pm
I am not a jameis hater and am rooting for him. Because they greater he becomes the more victories we get. But anyone who thinks Jameis will change just watch his college highlights. It looks like the same exact bucs qb except in a Seminole jersey. I watched Kyle Murray highlights and was like wow every throw was a rope hitting receiver in stride for yac and big plays and it got me juiced. So I watched jameis college highlights and he was the same back foot throwing into triple coverage on a 50/50 ball. He will never change. His footwork and release are some of the worst I have ever seen and this is year 5. He is fools gold that keeps a franchise picking in the top 10 three out of every 4 years. He has games where he looks like he arrived usually against Atlanta. Then has a Cincinnati game where if he just throws one of those int away we win the game. We can not resign him if he doesn’t have elite stats this year. 28 tds and 15 interceptions is not worthy of next contract. With this offensive firepower he needs a Mahomes type year. High 30’s in tds low teens minimum int. Anything worse than that let another team let him lead them to average at best.
June 5th, 2019 at 11:13 pm
Joe finally some good news and a breath of fresh air! The bucs need to be good. I know expectations are low but we need a good season. I can’t handle the losing anymore
June 5th, 2019 at 11:14 pm
Not an FSU fan at all, but isn’t Kelvin “Big Mac” Benjamin still a Free Agent?? Why not bring him in as camp meat? 🍔🏈
June 5th, 2019 at 11:14 pm
Jeff Buc
What’s ironic is that he only needs 200 yards to be the Bucs all time passing leader. So what’s that tell you? As garbage as he maybe he’s still the best thing we’ll see around these here parts. Go figure!!!
June 5th, 2019 at 11:33 pm
I watched that game too.
June 5th, 2019 at 11:38 pm
All right! H3ll yeah!! Good piece!!!
June 6th, 2019 at 12:05 am
Isaac,
Excellent post. Coming out of college I never thought winston would struggle with accuracy. Then when I heard who is his personal qb coach, I immediately thought “OH S@#T”!
There’s no shortage of pundits who claimed winston had to long as throwing motion and must shorten it when He turned pro. I don’t believe any of those guys understands the difficulty involved with the transition. I believe, those folks think it’s a simple process and it’s somehow isolated from everything else. Unless it’s a player who has been coached by an old school, ball held high and loaded at the ear type, which is an easier fix, it’s difficult to change.
June 6th, 2019 at 12:08 am
No Problem NOS.
I just hope that Noah Spence 57 becomes valuable with Bowles at the helm.
June 6th, 2019 at 12:15 am
Jeffbucs,
Reading your post reminded of me of an article and comments on a podcast by JBF that you’d have to be insane to think Murray could come in and start over jameis. Jameis would give the team a massively better chance than Murray.
June 6th, 2019 at 12:27 am
DB55,
Give my grandmother 3.5 seconds in the pocket and she’ll throw thru a parakeets behind. Winston ranks near the top for time in the pocket, and you’re saying he needs more time?
4 seconds ……is slow in high school. In the NFL ….4 seconds is a lifetime.
Here’s a novel idea…how about winston goes the other direction. He gets quicker. You know, probably not, like all the good ones.
June 6th, 2019 at 4:47 am
Succaneers—
Gamma.
But, at least you capitalize the first letter of all sentences. Problem is the letters following. But, you’re a “LMAO” gamma (little ‘g’), so it goes to figure. Idiot.
June 6th, 2019 at 5:49 am
English. Do you speak it? Ever?
June 6th, 2019 at 5:51 am
The public school system has failed a good portion of this country.
June 6th, 2019 at 7:19 am
Todd
Look in the dictionary by the word demeaning. They have your picture next to it.
June 6th, 2019 at 9:09 am
The only reasons to come to this crappy blog site are:
1. practice notes (all on buccanners(dot)com now
2. NOSBOS is my favorite poster, cracks me up everytime
3. Ira Kaufman is a class act
4. some smart and funny posters, comments are ALWAYS better than the stupid articles!
June 6th, 2019 at 11:10 am
LOLZ.
There are many pitchers that come and go in the Majors that can throw 100MPH and occasionally strike guys out making them look silly.
BUT…
You know why those guys don’t make it in baseball? ERA.
Jameis Winston, in football terms, has an ERA of like 10.5. He’d be cut from any team in a flash.
Throwing the occasional “dream pass” doesn’t mean jack squat. The Top NFL QBs CONSISTENTLY produce. They are WINNERS i.e. and lead their team to WINS. They don’t turn the ball over all the time and become a LIABILITY for their teams.
June 7th, 2019 at 12:18 pm
Tom Edeington “surrounded by two star talent in Tampa”
Evans, OJ, Godwin. Too bad you won’t respond to this, bananahead.