The Jameis Overload
May 3rd, 2019
A couple of interesting themes came forth from two Buccaneers coaches yesterday, and they completely clashed with a Dirk Koetter opinion.
They also didn’t fit with something Bruce Arians said in March.
America’s Quarterback, Jameis Winston, has long been known for his very long hours at One Buc Palace. First in, last out — 12-plus-hour days are very common.
Twice Joe asked former head coach Dirk Koetter if he thought Jameis would or could overwork himself mentally or physically through all those hours. Koetter was emphatic: No, he didn’t think that was possible.
In Phoenix this year at the NFL Owners Meetings, Arians raved about Jameis’ long hours, so Joe asked the same question.
Is there a limit? Do you have to consider burnout? Arians, like Koetter, didn’t think that was an issue. Arians cited working with Peyton Manning who was simply unrelenting in his attention to detail and round-the-clock drive, he said.
Well, yesterday both quarterbacks coach Clyde Christensen and Byron Leftwich made comments about Jameis needing to get out of One Buc Palace and there being limits to him being absorbed with all things football. Coincidence?
Joe finds it all rather interesting. No, Joe’s not being negative. At least half the reason Arians is here is because he’s a quarterback whisperer, which is not a one-size-fits-all kind of thing.
Joe is very confident Arians will figure out what’s best for Jameis, even if that includes a schedule with off time mandated.
May 3rd, 2019 at 11:41 am
Reading around today some insight on Bucs draft that’s interesting
-White was probably #3 on their board, and they may have even had Montez Sweat & Ed Oliver ranked over Josh Allen.
-They also asked a bunch of Kentucky players who the #1 person they’d want to bring to the NFL with them was, and they all said Mike Edwards (S). In addition to his solid on-field resume this guy sounds like a potential new leader in the secondary which we need because we have none.
-The Bucs were high on these OTs: Jawaan Taylor Tytus Howard and Northern Illinois’ Max Scharping, in addition to Dalton Risner (slightly lower than the other 3).
All were gone but Risner; but they had Bunting rated about equal or higher on the board and thought secondary was the bigger need. Per other reports – Bunting would have gone to Oakland if we passed, or to Detroit where his old coach was hoping he’d fall to them.
Bucs also identified 2020 as being a much stronger OT class with 5-6 legit 1st round prospects projected as of now.
Bucs were not high on the runners in this class in general vs the 2020 class as well but they are high on Bruce Anderson (lol why wouldn’t they be).
Not sure if any of this really justifies anything but definitely interesting.
May 3rd, 2019 at 11:46 am
TIME MACHINE TRAVEL TO 2025:
“We’re now entering Jameis Winston’s 10th NFL season… the Bucs still haven’t made the playoffs during Winston’s career, but this upcoming 10th season should finally be the one where he plays to his potential… Arians QB whispering obviously didn’t work with WInston and he was fired, and we’ve had 2 other coaches since, but THIS TIME and THIS upcoming season it just feels different Winston. The Bucs now have new jerseys and it has been rumored for years that Winston is more accurate throwing to his teammates if their jerseys have more shades of red and that’s what the Bucs jerseys finally will have for the first time in his 10 year career. Everyone should be excited that THIS is finally the year Winston plays up to his potential.”
May 3rd, 2019 at 11:48 am
The Buc’s were also high on the Oklahoma Tackle Ford, but he was drafted one spot before we picked, due to a last minute trade with Gruden and Oakland.
May 3rd, 2019 at 11:49 am
@Lord Corn, that is definitely interesting, thanks.
Here’s my issue: Licht has spent as many or more picks on kickers, as he has on edge rushers during his tenure.
Like WTF? There’s a reason all the other teams in our division get better: they improve their trenches almost every single year. We spend a premium draft pick on our lines once every few seasons at best. It’s shameful.
May 3rd, 2019 at 11:50 am
You know what….if he’s at One Buc Place, he’s not getting into trouble, not partying….Let him work. I’m not a big Winston fan but I have no problem with grinders.
May 3rd, 2019 at 11:50 am
BucsBandit Says:
May 3rd, 2019 at 11:46 am
TIME MACHINE TRAVEL TO 2025:
“We’re now entering Jameis Winston’s 10th NFL season
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LOL……..
May 3rd, 2019 at 11:57 am
This WHOLE team needs to step up. That includes Mr. “Film Room” himself. They picked up his option to give him the opportunity. I truly hope he takes this opportunity and does the team and the fanbase proud.
If he does not produce, there is no reason to keep him.
May 3rd, 2019 at 12:03 pm
Joe is very confident Arians will figure out what’s best for Jameis, even if that includes a schedule with off time mandated.
Most employers and bosses don’t want to hear this but there is such a thing as working too much. After a certain amount of time one’s productivity goes down. Everyone needs work/life balance, including professional athletes.
May 3rd, 2019 at 12:06 pm
@D-Rome 100%
May 3rd, 2019 at 12:06 pm
Didn’t we hear the same “first one in, last one out” about Josh Freeman?
Shut your piehole and win some games, Bucs. Just because you work longer doesn’t mean you’re working harder.
May 3rd, 2019 at 12:10 pm
Wow you can tell its the offseason. Reading between the lines that are between yhe lines yhat are between the lines
May 3rd, 2019 at 12:12 pm
Oh look another Jameis articles with our resident troll bucs bandit. Your story was neither clever nor funny to anyone but you.
May 3rd, 2019 at 12:26 pm
While I have lost a lot of faith in JW (mostly due to his continued stupidity off the field) we should keep in mind that he’s only 24 and entering his 5th season. No reason not to be somewhat optimistic, some of his stats are pretty impressive while the turnovers certainly are not. I do get the feeling that this coaching staff will be good for him and this entire team.
May 3rd, 2019 at 12:26 pm
@LordC
I know for an absolute fact it was White/Oliver. If the Raiders would have taken White, Oliver would have been drafted over Allen.
Inside info.
May 3rd, 2019 at 12:28 pm
Who cares how long jw3 is in the building and how many hours the coaches after to keep repeating to him , to not turn the ball over!!!!! The exciting part will be around week 5 to 8 when all buc’s fans will get to talk about and scout what QB the Bucs will draft with their top 5 pick in 2020 draft!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2019 will reveal answers to the sheep, that the “real” fans already know!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
GO Bucs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
May 3rd, 2019 at 12:37 pm
I think the only players ranked above White were Bosa & Williams…..so 3rd on their board would be right….
As far as Jameis overworking…..not a problem….but I do think he needs to calm down and relax a bit more in games……you really don’t see the great QBs like Brees, Brady, Rogers getting over-hyped during games.
May 3rd, 2019 at 12:39 pm
Agree with that.
Winston is learning an entire new offense for the first time in 4 years. As we all know, when you try to learn too much new info too quickly it sometimes just runs all together and you feel overloaded.
Kick him and anybody else who is in super cram mode out of One Buc sometimes
May 3rd, 2019 at 12:46 pm
Also know the Bucs liked Cody Ford in round 2 and were jumped to get specifically him.
Someone leaked that info.
Either way you can’t look at the draft without knowledge and make an assumption.
They had Anthony Nelson rated as a 3rd rounder.
Beckner was the #2 overall recruit out of high school.
Scotty Smith is a stud.
Wes Welker undrafted and Julian Edleman a QB in the 7th.
They didn’t even know how to use Edleman.
BA knows now how to use Scotty.
Bottom Line: This draft and UDFA weer a HUGE success.
May 3rd, 2019 at 1:06 pm
Billy 43, if by success you mean they stuck to their board and didnt make any reaches, then yes the draft was a success. We obviously wont know if most of these guys will pan out for at least 2 years. UDFA was a big bright spot for me. A bunch of guys that felt they still had something to prove instead of overpaid been there done that types. You always overpay in FA unless you get cheap potential vs expensive established production. It is far cheaper to grow your own than to buy someone else’s finished product. I like to see a balance of quality production and potential with the rookies and the FA.
May 3rd, 2019 at 1:39 pm
@LordC
Thanks for those tidbits. You’re correct that’s interesting stuff.
I’ve also read that next year is far better for QB’s. Let’s hope that becomes irrelevant after JW blows up this year.
It did seem to be down year for RB’s after last year’s glut.
As far as JW overdoing it I agree with Leftwich and Christiansen.
I had a golf coach once who used to say the old saying about practice making perfect was misleading and wrong.
Practice does not make perfect….PERFECT practice makes perfect. Sadly if you practice incorrectly or work on the wrong thing practice can actually make you worse. And we’re not even to the law of diminishing returns yet. How many hours can a guy concentrate on a single subject before going brain dead.
Another concern is cluttering your brain so much that you do not play naturally but rather overthink things.
I do not pretend to know what happened to JW’s head last year. Lots of distractions for sure but whatever he or DK or whomever did…maybe just all the failure..suspension..watching Fitzmagic tear it up and win over teammates…whatever JW seemed like a different guy those last six games. He made FAR better decisions. His head at long last seemed to be in the right place and he didn’t seem so hopped up.
May 3rd, 2019 at 1:42 pm
@Lord Cornelius, interesting take on who the Bucs valued.
Just think: had they only won 4 games instead of 5, they could have drafted all those players they really wanted.
Just as in 2017: beating NO in that silly last game cost the team OG Nelson.
I’m not saying to lose intentionally (although there may be some merit in that.) I’m saying that one can have players ranked, and then based on draft position and the behavior of 31 other teams, s#!t can happen and your draft ends up different than your Fantasy List.
May 3rd, 2019 at 1:45 pm
Am I supposed to believe that if Winston did not spend 18 hrs. a day at OBP he’d throw MORE INT’s?
I don’t think so.
I have great hopes for Mr. Winston this coming season. Great hopes. And I am hardly a Winston Jock Sniffer, almost the opposite.
May 3rd, 2019 at 2:05 pm
Leftwich was speaking from personal experience. He never put in that much work.
Clyde was probably speaking more from a viewpoint of spending more time with family, since he comes from the Tony Dungy tree.
May 3rd, 2019 at 2:05 pm
He’s only 25 – when I was 25 I was working about 12-14 hours a day 6 days a week, that’s what you can do when you’re 25. He’s trying to learn a new offense, wants to be the best he can be, that is awesome. I was able to keep that schedule, with no vacations or breaks, for about 3 1/2 years before I finally broke and took a week off to go to Vegas, there’s no reason to push Winston out the door right now or to try to force him to take breaks – he’s young, he doesn’t need it. Now if he was 30, sure, then you slow down a bit, but at 25, this should be his life.
May 3rd, 2019 at 2:26 pm
When I watched the whole conferences, specifically with Leftwich, I took a bit of a different message away. Twelve hours a day is what Jameis is currently putting in, and he needs to balance that with making some time for his family. During the season it’ll be a different situation.
I’m not sure that’s even remotely at odds with BAs vision for how to handle it. Family is important, and 12 hour days during the OFF AEASON isn’t exactly phoning it in.
Not a story here fellas.
May 3rd, 2019 at 2:27 pm
Why would anyone care what Clyde Christensen and Byron Leftwich think? With them coming into the building the team just went backwards. How long do the fans have to wait for Leftwich to learn his job?
May 3rd, 2019 at 2:30 pm
So we are getting one message from the Head coach and two differing messages from two of the what 30 plus coaches on staff??? I would say that is a conflict. This season has disaster written all over it! An overload of coaches a GM who doesn’t know his arse from his elbow, a head coach who already left the game once due to health concerns, female trainers and a male cheerleader! We should change the name to the Tampa Bay circus because this sure looks like one!
May 3rd, 2019 at 3:15 pm
Good stuff LC
I knew that the Bucs were going to take Cody Ford in the 2nd rd – then Buffalo traded up to get in front of us and snaked him right off the board.
Exact same thing in the 3rd rd. Bucs were targeting Zach Allen from BC and Polite from FL at pick #70. Both went just before that so they traded down to get better value and an extra pick after their targeted guys were off the board in the 3rd rd.
If the draft would have “fallen our way” by just 1 or 2 picks in both 2nd and 3rd rds – the first 2 days haul would have been…
Rd 1 – ILB Devin White
Rd 2 – OT/OG Cody Ford
Rd 3 – DE/OLB Jachai Polite
… and nobody would have been bitching that “Licht can’t build a team” or “why aren’t we drafting for the trenches???”
Well the board just didn’t fall that way. Licht said it himself after the draft. We ended up with three secondary players in the 2nd and 3rd rds because those were the highest rated players at areas of relative need on the the Bucs Big Board when their picks came up. Of course there was a slant towards defense in this draft – we needed help at every level. If anything – with JPP, Vea and Nassib (and maybe GMC) up front – the front 3/4 was the Defensive unit that was in the best shape personnel wise among DL/LBs/Secondary heading into the draft….
Just Sayin’
May 3rd, 2019 at 3:26 pm
Can I get some clarification on why Arians in the QB whisperer? Is it really because he had success with Big Ben, Peyton Manning, and Andrew Luck? I mean im pretty sure Id be a QB whisperer too if those were my guys.
May 3rd, 2019 at 3:38 pm
I can’t imagine we would have selected Polite. That kid was a one hit wonder at UF and apparently bombed the entire off season leading up to the draft. Probably not somebody built to last in the NFL.
May 3rd, 2019 at 4:52 pm
LC
interesting indeed….
GO BUCS!!!!!
May 3rd, 2019 at 6:09 pm
@CGMaster – you’re such a Winston homer it’s hilarious.
Anyone that criticizes him and doesn’t buy the continued-4years-later hype (without the results) is now just a troll? LOLZ.
It’s not being a troll, it’s about another 5-letter word that also starts with “TR”….
TRUTH. You just can’t handle it apparently.
May 3rd, 2019 at 6:33 pm
It’s 100% true. You have find ways to clear your mind. All of these players should do yoga. Not only does it help the mind but it makes you more limber and cuts down on injuries.
May 3rd, 2019 at 6:33 pm
He copied and pasted from pewter you all.
May 3rd, 2019 at 6:37 pm
BucsBandit, during your time travel, you forgot #3’s demand for a $250 Mil contract over 4 years!
They call anyone critical of #3 a “hater”. I call them “ignorers”. They ignore the message their eyes send to their brain.
Just give #3 one more year to be just good enough for our Bucs to give him way too much $ then pass on an affordable franchise QB in next year’s QB-strong draft. THEN be mad! Get ready, hater;)
May 3rd, 2019 at 8:45 pm
@BringBucsBack – Yep. And these same people will be celebrating the day Winston finally gets released/traded/etc. as if they were supporting it all along. They’ll never admit they were wrong and that the Winston Hype never came anywhere close to meeting expectations.
It really is amazing how many “THIS is finally going to be the turning point moment for Winston” that we’ve heard about.
May 3rd, 2019 at 10:24 pm
Joe,
I understand you guys write about things you find interesting. But why is the hours at the office more interesting to you than the new Oc saying that winston has no game awareness. Or has it and then quickly loses it. The #1 franchise blue chipper has no idea of where he is in the moment…. but he’s putting in more hours than anyone. Joe, no spit….every QB is expected to be filo. So his work ethic isn’t special or interesting . It’s the same thing everyone else does but….he’s less effective …..?#$^*. That is interesting. …..my apologies.
May 3rd, 2019 at 10:26 pm
BucsBandit, I don’t root against #3 or any Buc; I’m a fan of the team. He has talent. As you know, This is the 4th straight year he “turns the corner” and I hope he does, truly. However, I fear he will be just good enough to keep, when I, & others, want him to LIGHT IT UP, in order to justify the payday he may get in 8 months. In addition to not expecting him to live up to the (& my) expectations, he will be OUT with just ONE more “hassle”!
It’s not difficult to replace an average QB that is ATM & a questionable character. Licht has no foresight & will sing his praises to the bitter end, because he drafted #3. BA will be gone in two years; his future is now! Of course he likes #3; he has to!
This will be year 10 between #3 & JoFro! A decade of “potential” at that position. “Just good enough.”
May 4th, 2019 at 12:38 am
BigMac,
Jameis did not specifically take up yoga to my knowledge. He did talk about learning and practicing meditation last year.
That will help him in his personal life as well as his professional life.
May 4th, 2019 at 1:34 am
BringBucsBack….jackwagon BucsBandit will always root against Jameis.
Do you care?
I certainly don’t.
May 4th, 2019 at 1:41 am
“It really is amazing how many “THIS is finally going to be the turning point moment for Winston” that we’ve heard about.”
When was this ever said in the past?
To Bucsbandit it’s been said numerous times over the past 4 years.
When, where and by whom jackwagon? stfu then…cause you’re ful of bs.
May 4th, 2019 at 1:44 am
Why can’t 87 fight back in real time?
Cause he’s moderated like several longtime posters….
Yuck….and yuck. That’s for the rest of you.
You miss out!
May 4th, 2019 at 5:35 am
Belicheat stays late…
May 4th, 2019 at 8:45 am
Manning and JW are not the same obviously.
May 4th, 2019 at 11:14 am
@Buc1987 – oh please, I was once a huge supporter of Winston, I’ve just seen the light that he’s just not that great for an NFL QB. I’m a diehard Bucs fan and want the team to win and get more Super Bowls. I am also very confident that if the Bucs make a MAJOR mistake in signing Winston to a huge, long-term deal that the Bucs are DONE for another decade and will not be contenders. Winston just has not proven he’s worth a $30M+/year contract. The Bucs are better off going with a much cheaper alternative and putting the saved salary cap money into other positions.
As far as when has the “THIS is finally the turning point for Winston” stuff… are you JOKING?
That has been happening his entire career to excuse his inconsistent play…
After he came back from his Uber suspension… “He seems to have matured from this and this will be a turning point in his play…”
And then after being benched last year for Fitz (after he had played after his suspension) many stated “NOW he will start to play great because he was humbled in being benched…”
And so many other potential “turning point” moments championed by fans and other writers. Like when he slimmed down and lost weight a year ago… that it would be a major difference for him and he’d finally play better.
OR some new players in the locker room we signed that he would feel more comfortable leading. Or a new playbook, or new offensive coordinator… or Monken taking over plays for Koetter… THE LIST GOES ON AND ON AND ON.
Excuse after excuse for Winston’s mediocre, 21-33 dismal NFL career so far.
May 4th, 2019 at 8:33 pm
I’m so worn out from all the hype talk these past few seasons to the point where I don’t believe anything people are saying in the offseason. In other words, I as a Bucs fan have been to the alter so many times and have gotten excited only to be disappointed in the end. Whether its Jameis, the O-line, Defense, etc, until I see improvement on the field in the regular season, there’s no need to get hyped over the coaches and the players praising each other, especially all the talk over Jameis Winston. Going 5-11 in back-to-back seasons is nothing to be praising each other over. I know there’s a new coaching staff in place, until I see wins though, I’m taking everything for a grain of salt.