Skeptical Of GMC Exit
May 1st, 2019
Hardball?
Last week before the draft, former Bucs rock star general manager Mark Dominik believed all the Gerald McCoy trade chatter was just that and GMC would return to the field for the Bucs this September.
Add another man who used to collect checks from Team Glazer to the-GMC-may-stay list.
And that would be former Bucs quarterback Chris Simms. Now a talking head for NBC Sports (Joe believes he will be the color analyst on Notre Dame games this fall), Simms finds it hard to fathom why the Bucs would want to get rid of GMC.
Yes, Simms said, GMC, as Toby Keith once sang, isn’t as good as he once was. That doesn’t mean GMC’s game is gone.
“He’s not the dominating superstar player he was three or four years ago but he is still really good,” Simms said. GMC is “a guy you have to be really careful with one-on-one and who you leave out there against matchup-wise as far as gameplanning. …
“I can’t really believe Tampa is willing to part ways with him yet. I still think he is too good to part way with him.”
Well, OK. So let’s say the Bucs do want to keep GMC. Then what good is all of this chatter leaking about the Bucs shopping him? If that is the desired tactic, no wonder GMC is staying in Califonia working out and not with the Bucs.
GMC can play hardball, too. He could just flat refuse to redo his contract, get released by the Bucs, and then he gets to choose where he winds up.
May 1st, 2019 at 9:10 am
If we cut Gholston, Smith, and exercise Mike Evans reworked contract and the 1.78 mil we have left in salary cap room we have enough room to sign our draft picks. We could also cut Blaine and Santos. All of our draft picks are players who can replace, poorly contributing players with little cap casualty already on our current roster. I mean when is the last time Gholston or Ryan Smith changed a game?
May 1st, 2019 at 9:10 am
Maybe the “chatter” is to get GMC to renegotiate his salary to help us fit under the cap. But if he won’t move, and a suitor shows up that gives us a “kings ransom” for him, we can live with that too. He will show up and play like the pro he is because he is also auditioning for the next contract…either here or elsewhere.
May 1st, 2019 at 9:10 am
Welcome back #93 @ market price….
but if I were him I’d take my market price with a play off team and have some fun playing football on the way out
May 1st, 2019 at 9:11 am
If we had drafted a DT/ 3tech like Dre’mont Jones In the 3rd, I’d be inclined to believe 93 wont be on the team in 2019. Instead, we drafted and injury prone middling talent in the 7th.
McCoy, and more than likely his 13 million dollar salary will be staying for at least 1 more season. Hopefully this will be the year he proves Tmax wrong. I wont be holding my breath however.
May 1st, 2019 at 9:14 am
At this point in his career maybe being a 3-4 DE might be better. He might get more 1 on 1 against guards… need a big hog like vita taking up double teams.
May 1st, 2019 at 9:17 am
Bucs nation has good article about a valid option for keeping gmc. In current situation i think we better keep him.
May 1st, 2019 at 9:19 am
It’s simple does BA want these young guys to have a chance or does BA want to keep the glazers basement streak alive…. it’s been proven for a decade you can’t win with cancer93
May 1st, 2019 at 9:21 am
GMC..
could have been replaced by Ed Oliver in this last Draft.
even if good teams have more than 2 good DT´s.
at least you need 2 starters and 1 good contributer…
and that´s with hoping, that no injury happens…
So does it make sense to cut McCoy?
No – the compensation just wouldn´t be there.
For a Playoff team, hoping to make a run to the Playoffs and being thin on the DT position.. McCoy would be easily worth an 2nd round pick.
thats it . and if they won´t pay, the Suckaneers should stay put, and enjoying to have a very capable DT..
This position is truly premium (instead of MLB)
Suckaneers could have adressed that with Premium Talent (Ed Oliver)
But they decided to suck in the Draft and drafted a MLB (no high value) with top Potential (not a sure fire Star in the making… just a guy that is okay as a Starter now, and may become very very good or Great..
instead of a sure fire great talent at a premium position, even though they are thin at the DT spot)
freaking Suckaneers tacticts – no clue or interest to build an actual SuperBowl Contender – it has to be one of the two… they suck and suck and suck..
either Cluesless or they do it for a reason (??)
either way:
if BucsFans want a professional Team instead of a ClownSoapOpera sh… it they should start to boykott untill they decide to sign an actual intelligent personal guy, who can evaluate talent and build an Roster..
this team is undertalented, has a Roster full of Holes, and still managed to get into CapHell (?!)
after six years of Licht?!
Glazers still giving him this year is just enough
Boykott this Clown-Sh-.it_Show!!
Join the
FIRE LICHT TONIGHT
movement !
May 1st, 2019 at 9:21 am
He’s stated before he doesn’t want to play 3-4 DE…Just cut and end this stupid lingering cancer episode…
May 1st, 2019 at 9:25 am
we’re keeping him(unfortunately)….who do we have besides terry beckner and beau allen…..
1 injury and we’re back to square 1…again….
GO BUCS!!!!
May 1st, 2019 at 9:33 am
He’s just not effective anymore. According to JBF, GMC can’t even hardly make it through a game without his whole body aching, much less be expected to be at least 90% healthy and ready the next week. Let him go, and you won’t see a drop-off in production. Matter of fact his replacement might be better. I can think of 13 million reasons why GMC days in Tampa are numbered and if he’s not willing to restructure, then thanks for the memories.
May 1st, 2019 at 9:37 am
If you keep him after all this chatter, is he going to inspire anyone to give their best effort?
Let’s say they keep GMC and he gets injured like he always does, that leaves them with no options. Similar to the Desean Jackson debacle backing themselves into a corner with few options and a limited return.
The Patriots have mastered the art of acquiring extra draft picks and moving on from players before their play starts to decline.
May 1st, 2019 at 9:40 am
The Bucs and McCoy are in a Mexican standoff. The Bucs don’t have to cut him until the pre-season games are done. Then the Bucs can trim $13 M off their salary cap.
Then, McCoy’s agent can begin to shop Gerald. What is his value after missing training camp and the pre-season? How many times does a player come in late not in football shape and blow out a hamstring?
The Bucs have no incentive to release Gerald so he can sign with the Saints and be ready for game one. The Bucs need to control where McCoy plays by trading his rights when and where it hurts the Bucs the least. The problem is Gump is the worst poker player in the NFL.
May 1st, 2019 at 9:41 am
There is no chatter leaking. This is all a result of Rick Stroud feeding rhe GMC Haters. And then media ran with it. Fans fed off that.
Having him stay home let him get more rest and was a draft bluff.
Watch as he shows up at the camp after rookie camp.
May 1st, 2019 at 9:42 am
He should have been unloaded last season….along with D-Jax. That would be two additional picks in this years draft, a draft that EVERYONE was on record stating was deep in defensive linemen.
Licht has zero long term vision….his focus doesn’t see past his own tail which he stays in a perpetual state of chasing.
May 1st, 2019 at 9:43 am
@Joe… is there a sinario where GMC stays one more year at his current price. We couldn’t trade for anything, he isn’t going to take a pay cut and we decide we will over pay him because he is still good. Could that happen? I guess if it could then we would have to trade Brate and cut a small contract?
May 1st, 2019 at 9:47 am
LMAO at you guys here. You’re gonna wish GMC was here once those injuries start happenning. And they will occur. We are paying a an average center 10 mil this year. Where is the outcry? Jensens not worth anythingc close to 10 mil. Yet I hear…silence from the lambs. If he gets 10. surely we can start talking 10 with GMC. If not, let him go. Some team will pay this guy..and the Bucs know it. Thats why they are holding out for a trade. They might get one. But not even close to what they want. We will be sorry we let GMC leave. Just wait and see.
May 1st, 2019 at 9:49 am
Softie @ 13 million is bad enough.
Softie @ 5-8 million is even worse.
A guy like Gummie isn’t gonna give 100% when he feels his been “disrespected “…… he’s a soft guy.
It amazes me that all the armchair GMs choose not to factor in the emotional part of the equation.
May 1st, 2019 at 9:50 am
Please correct me if I am wrong, but if the Bucs cut GMC, does he not have to clear waivers before he gets to choose a team?
May 1st, 2019 at 9:55 am
All you people acting like cancer93 is irreplaceable are simply forgetting they have not won a damn thing with her leading the defense…. again let’s have a quick history lesson… under the on field leadership of the crying clown the bucs have set more WORST IN NFL HISTORY records then they have wins…. cancer93 and lvd have captained the WORST defensive units in team and league history neither one of them is great much less irreplaceable…. keep in mind how horrendous this franchise has been outside of McKay’s good year and grudens glory year after cleaning up McKay and Dungy the clowns mess…. cancer93 and lvd have captained the worst defensive units in team history…. coupled with their mentally weak play and failed past give anyone a chance its been proven it can’t be any worse they already own those labels
May 1st, 2019 at 10:11 am
the tactic is- devaluing his value to other teams. So that if we cut him his re-sign number with another team drops every time we are lukewarm on him.
He knows it. His best chance at money will be to re-sign with us, otherwise get a much larger reduction in pay, now that we are so unexcited about him.
Sort of like nassib. If the BROWNS didnt want him… how good could he be?
May 1st, 2019 at 10:18 am
The man still gets double & triple teamed! I think that says enough about his game… its the ignorant fans that want to get rid of gerladini..
May 1st, 2019 at 10:19 am
I think licht is hoping a vet gets let go after the draft that he could plug in before cutting Geraldine. No need to make a move until that second waive of free agency.
May 1st, 2019 at 10:40 am
Strip the C off his chest, take a pay cut, stop acting like he’s a star and treat him like the jag he is, and I’ll be happy to have him on the team.
May 1st, 2019 at 10:41 am
@Sarasotta Gary… you’d asked when was the last time Gholsten or Ryan Smith changed a game??? I ask you this when is the last time if EVER arhat GMC changed a game???? Can’t answer that in the positive but you could in the negative. Like when he takes plays off or helps Rothlesburger off the turf saying “my bad Ben” then begs the ref for a penalty flag to be thrown on him.
May 1st, 2019 at 10:54 am
*** Think Brent Grimes and last season
May 1st, 2019 at 11:11 am
DooshLaRue Says:
May 1st, 2019 at 10:54 am
*** Think Brent Grimes and last season
DING DING DING
WINNER
May 1st, 2019 at 11:46 am
bucsfan561
Cancer93 has not been doubled in 3 years clearly you have double or triple vision
May 1st, 2019 at 12:13 pm
Let him go already!
May 1st, 2019 at 12:59 pm
@tmaxcon … “All you people acting like cancer93 is irreplaceable are simply forgetting they have not won a damn thing with her leading the defense”. It’s long been apparent tmaxcon that you’ve found your scapegoat (actually, make the plural … scapegoats). You apparently don’t appreciate football as the ultimate TEAM sport. From a personnel standpoint … and from a coaching standpoint … the Bucs are a mediocre team. Singling out 1 or even a handful of players as being what you refer to as ‘cancers’ is the very definition of scapegoating.
GMC & Jameis have BOTH been adversely impacted by being surrounded by too many marginal players & marginal coaches. I don’t know what the ceiling is for EITHER one of them, but I’m convinced that neither will ever achieve that ceiling surrounded by mediocrity. Hopefully this year’s TEAM … players AND coaches … allows BOTH of them to (what I used to call) PLAY UP TO THEIR POTENTIAL.
May 1st, 2019 at 1:07 pm
Joe Says:
Occam’s Razor.
The REASON for the mention of McCoy is about money, period, and the Bucs cap issues.
The only way they can keep him is less $$$ and cap hit.
So if the word on the street is “Bucs are shopping McCoy around”, you know his agent knows it. And if there are no offers AT $13 MILLION then both parties know he prolly won’t get that much.
This is all a dance to determine value. And if McCoy agrees is current market value is under $13 million, the only remaining question is “how much.”
There isn’t any “hardball” to be played, unless McCoy chooses to not accept a lower value and take less elsewhere out of spite.
It’s a dance, nothing more, nothing less.
I’d guess his chances of being an opening day Buc in 2019 at 60/40. He is settled in Tampa and is known here. Moving to parts unknown for no more than 2 seasons where he is not known and/or loved, and has no roots may have a negative value.
Is his ego worth it?
Besides, if he stays in Tampa and thrives under Bowles, he could garner some real estate in the Ring of Honor one day. If he bolts, no chance.
And what value would he put on playing for a coach who knows how to coach…for a change.
Gerald McCoy is a very good player. Not great. Very good. And he is a fine human being that brings credit to the Bucs organization. Unfortunately, he is at a point in his career where his value exceeds production. Many players have met that point and made some bad decisions about pay, where ego exceeded reality.
I wonder if Anthony Munoz, Joe Montana, Johnny Unitas, Joe Namath ever regretted playing one more season in front of fans who just didn’t care. Not comparing McCoy the player to those, just McCoy the ego.
May 1st, 2019 at 1:07 pm
Tmaxcon – The last game the abuse played. Week 17 on the 4th defensive snap, GMC double teamed.
I think we all know who the cancer is on this site.
May 1st, 2019 at 1:08 pm
“The Bucs played” – spell check is abuse.
May 1st, 2019 at 1:25 pm
Get McCoy out of tampa
May 1st, 2019 at 1:27 pm
McCoy is garbage …. you all act like he’s a hall of fame player …. hes the most overrated buc I have ever seen … and even more overrated player in the national football league
May 1st, 2019 at 1:29 pm
Play action well said
May 1st, 2019 at 2:09 pm
Patriots have 14 picks next year lol gfc
May 1st, 2019 at 2:19 pm
If G-mac is smart he’ll run away from the Team of the Idiot Sons and never look back.
May 1st, 2019 at 2:54 pm
If GMC stays he will get hurt in the first three games And ride out 13 million on the bench
GMC is older player known for being hurt every year
WHAT IS THE UPSIDE IF KEEPING HIM
May 1st, 2019 at 3:31 pm
Once you are in moderation do you ever get released
Hard to be a part of a conversation when your post is two hours old
May 1st, 2019 at 4:05 pm
The Bucs have nothing at DT if they cut McCoy, and no, the NT Vita who averaged 3.5 sacks a year in college is not the pass rushing nickel d-lineman you’d want to use. I don’t dislike Vita, but he hasn’t proven he’s a pass rusher – and no, one game against the 49ers who were starting 2nd string o-lineman and a 3rd string qb, that doesn’t make me think that one game is indicative of the new norm. If I’m wrong about that, if he’s a 16 sack guy and the next Sapp then I’ll gladly take my public beating.
But anywho, let’s say you’re even deranged enough to think Vita is the next Sapp, who is behind him? What is there any depth? As Arians said, you play nickel like half the time, so you need 4 defensive lineman, who are those 4 if you’re dumping McCoy?
May 1st, 2019 at 4:42 pm
Well said Rod Munch.
May 1st, 2019 at 4:47 pm
Munch
They’ve had nothing at DT with her the win loss record proves it…. cant win with selfish me first clowns…
May 1st, 2019 at 5:34 pm
GMC is staying because the Bucs have no one better to play in his place. The biggest driver on the GMC is gone movement is that the Bucs needed the money. Licht says that money is not an issue and can be resolved in many ways. Therefore the issue becomes how do we field the best team. The Bucs made the decision that a D-Line with Pierre-Paul, McCoy, Vea, and Nassib and others was not the weak link of the defense. They felt the secondary which was the problem. It was injury riddled with questions of durability. It lacked the speed they wanted. It lacked the in you face toughness that they wanted. It lacked the ball skills, to take the ball away, that they wanted. They addressed it big time. It is now young and deep with every position up for battle. It also has a coaching staff that recognizes the individual players bring different skills to the dance. The mix we have gets their creative juices flowing with the potential that they have created. This is not a 2 corner, 2 safety defense. They will all contribute. The LB pick was another fill of a need with an attack first player. The Bowles defense is all about ATTACK and taking the ball away. Is pressure needed? Of course. But last years additions of Pierre-Paul, Nassib and Vea went along way to addressing that need. The need was for ball hawks, EVERYWHERE. Bowles is not a “prevent defense” guy. McCoy fits in this scheme just fine. If we had who we currently have with no McCoy. Would we be happy to pick up a McCoy to fill out the line? I suspect we would. For now, McCoy is the best we got. Lets be glad we have him.
May 1st, 2019 at 5:49 pm
For the money…
Cut Evan Smith ($2m), Ryan Smith ($2m) and Gholston ($3.75m) and Santos ($800k) and you’ve freed up nearly $9m. Now talk to McCoy and see if he’ll take a cut down to $8-9m, if he will, then awesome, you’re done. If he won’t, then next up is to give David, who only has 2 years left, a new deal and expend him two more seasons, I don’t see any reason to think David won’t still be a good player at the age of 32, he’s not shown any slow down at this point. Also there is the idea of just moving some money around with Evans, but I think that is less likely since Licht setup the team salaries to be able to absorb a big new contract for Winston next year – and part of that is taking a big $20m hit this year, and $16.7m next year, so it’s less money down the road – redoing his deal in any way sort of messes up that plan.