Data & More On Suh Versus McCoy
May 23rd, 2019
BY ZACHARY SEIFTER
JoeBucsFan.com intern
In nine Buccaneers seasons, Gerald McCoy was a part of a team that finished in the bottom 10 in total defense six times.
Total defense is measured by yards per game, per NFL stats, but if you want to look at it in terms of points allowed, McCoy’s defenses still finished in the bottom 10 during five of his nine seasons with Tampa Bay.
Is that really all McCoy’s fault?
When you consider the Bucs defensive players released or traded, and who replaced them, it’s easy to say McCoy wasn’t the culprit of this team’s defensive failures.
Mike Jenkins, Michael Johnson and Chris Baker among others brought in to replace Aqib Talib, Darrelle Revis and Michael Bennett.
If anything, McCoy was the one constant for this defense outside of Lavonte David, and McCoy is on a streak of six or more sacks — for six straight seasons.
But what good is it to be a constant on a consistently awful defense?
Which brings us to McCoy’s replacement, Ndamukong Suh. He is the one with a reputation for being dirty, while McCoy was considered a man of great character and despised by many Bucs fans for always being eager to help an opponent off the turf.
Suh was taken just one pick ahead of McCoy in the 2010 draft. He has lived up to that pick by being considered one of the premiere defensive tackles in the league, along with McCoy.
But what kind of player are the Bucs getting now, at age 32?
Suh has been a part of a dominant defense (2014 Lions), and he’s shown up in the Super Bowl and playoffs spotlight. But they’re also getting a player who doesn’t consistently show up year-in year-out.
Yes, Suh has posted great numbers in nine years. His career stats nearly match McCoy’s, many being slightly better.
But Suh has seen those numbers decline a bit. He hasn’t recorded more than five sacks since 2015. And Suh hasn’t had the same excuse McCoy has had; Suh did have great talents on his defensive lines. He played next to Cameron Wake in Miami, and he played next to the Defensive Player of the Year in Aaron Donald last season, along with a young Ziggy Ansah in Detroit.
When Suh has shown up and been a dominant force on the defensive line, his team wins.
In his dominant 2014 season, Suh recorded his second-best season in terms of sacks with 8.5, and he also added 54 combined tackles, more than McCoy has ever recorded in a single season in his career. Those Lions were 11-5 and ranked second on defense (total yardage) and third in points allowed.
Fast forward two years to Suh’s second year in Miami. He recorded a career-high 72 tackles and added five sacks for a Dolphins team that rallied from a 1-4 start to finish 10-6 and make the playoffs.
Then last season, while it wasn’t Suh’s best statistical season, he was part of a team that went 13-3 and made the Super Bowl. Suh was as dominant as he’s ever been in the playoffs, recording 1.5 sacks, 10 tackles and five QB hits.
The Bucs are getting a player that can take over a game and lead a defense when motivated. If the Bucs get the Suh from last year’s playoffs, or the player from the 2016 Dolphins or the 2014 Lions, nobody will complain about him coming aboard.
But they better get that version of Suh. If they get the Suh that takes plays off, and only goes to the beat of his own drum, this defense is in trouble.
Ndamukong Suh/Team Rankings/Personal Stats
2010 – Lions
Points allowed ranking: 19th
Yards allowed ranking: 21st
Rushing defense: 24th
Passing defense: 16th
Suh’s sacks: 10.0
Combined tackles: 65
2011 – Lions
Points allowed ranking: 23rd
Yards allowed ranking: 23rd
Rushing defense: 23rd
Passing defense: 22nd
Suh’s sacks: 4.0
Combined tackles: 39
2012 – Lions
Points allowed ranking: 27th
Yards allowed ranking: 13th
Rushing defense: 16th
Passing defense: 14th
Suh’s sacks: 8.0
Combined tackles: 35
2013 – Lions
Points allowed ranking: 15th
Yards allowed ranking: 16th
Rushing defense: 6th
Passing defense: 23rd
Suh’s sacks: 5.5
Combined tackles: 48
2014 – Lions
Points allowed ranking: 3rd
Yards allowed ranking: 2nd
Rushing defense: 1st
Passing defense: 13th
Suh’s sacks: 8.5
Combined tackles: 54
2015 – Dolphins
Points allowed ranking: 19th
Yards allowed ranking: 25th
Rushing defense: 28th
Passing defense: 21st
Suh’s sacks: 6.0
Combined tackles: 61
2016 – Dolphins
Points allowed ranking: 18th
Yards allowed ranking: 29th
Rushing defense: 30th
Passing defense: 15th
Suh’s sacks: 5.0
Combined tackles: 72
2017 – Dolphins
Points allowed ranking: 29th
Yards allowed ranking: 16th
Rushing defense: 14th
Passing defense: 16th
Suh’s sacks: 4.5
Combined tackles: 48
2018 – Rams
Points allowed ranking: 20th
Yards allowed ranking: 19th
Rushing defense: 23rd
Passing defense: 14th
Suh’s sacks: 4.5
Combined tackles: 59
Gerald McCoy – Team Rankings/Personal Stats
2010
Points allowed ranking: 9th
Yards allowed ranking: 17th
Rushing defense: 28th
Passing defense: 7th
McCoy’s sacks: 3.0
Combined tackles: 27
2011
Points allowed ranking: 32nd
Yards allowed ranking: 30th
Rushing defense: 32nd
Passing defense: 21st
McCoy’s sacks: 1.0
Combined tackles: 11
2012
Points allowed ranking: 23rd
Yards allowed ranking: 29th
Rushing defense: 1st
Passing defense: 32nd
McCoy’s sacks: 5.0
Combined tackles: 30
2013
Points allowed ranking: 21st
Yards allowed ranking: 17th
Rushing defense: 15th
Passing defense: 17th
McCoy’s sacks: 9.5
Combined tackles: 50
2014
Points allowed ranking: 25th
Yards allowed ranking: 25th
Rushing defense: 19th
Passing defense: 28th
McCoy’s sacks: 8.5
Combined tackles: 35
2015
Points allowed ranking: 26th
Yards allowed ranking: 10th
Run defense: 11th
Pass defense: 16th
McCoy’s sacks: 8.5
Combined tackles: 34
2016
Points allowed ranking: 15th
Yards allowed ranking: 23rd
Rushing defense: 22nd
Passing defense: 22nd
McCoy’s sacks: 7.0
Combined tackles: 34
2017
Points allowed ranking: T-22nd with the Jets and Broncos
Yards allowed ranking: 32nd
Rushing defense: 23rd
Passing defense: 32nd
McCoy’s sacks: 6.0
Combined tackles: 47
2018
Points allowed ranking: 31st
Yards allowed ranking: 27th
Run defense: 24th
Pass defense: 26th
McCoy’s sacks: 6.0
Combined tackles: 28
May 23rd, 2019 at 12:51 pm
Here’s the real stats:
McCoy …Not a Buc
Suh ….Not a Buc
May 23rd, 2019 at 12:52 pm
They were not Gerald McCoy’s defenses. Did he design the plays? Did he even call the plays? Did he sign players to the defense? Or draft defensive players?
Nope.
May 23rd, 2019 at 12:53 pm
“Suh told the team he was leaving on a previously scheduled trip and that signing on the dotted line would have to wait for his return. Suh’s Instagram story includes pictures is filled with photos from visits to vineyards in Bordeaux, France.”
May 23rd, 2019 at 12:53 pm
Relax Francis. Suh is vacationing in France and will sign upon his return. He had already informed the Bucs on this.
May 23rd, 2019 at 12:53 pm
If I were the Bucs, I would fly someone there to get the sig, and introduce him when he returns.
May 23rd, 2019 at 12:54 pm
Appreciate it! You do a good job Zach!
May 23rd, 2019 at 12:55 pm
He’s stomping grapes in preparation for NFC South QBs.
May 23rd, 2019 at 12:58 pm
Nice report ..but it has all been posted in various threads.... C’mon, fans posting stats in the comments isn’t quite the same. –Joe
May 23rd, 2019 at 1:00 pm
suh dogging down that brie cheese and vino
May 23rd, 2019 at 1:01 pm
Like him or not, like GMC or not, it was time for the Bucs to move on. Licht 100% made the right decision to part ways to GMC. His salary, his recent play, and the new direction of the Bucs defense all made it the right time to go our separate ways.
Props to Licht for a job well done.
May 23rd, 2019 at 1:02 pm
He could change his mind in Bordeaux for any reason or for no reason. It’s never a done deal until the name is on the dotted line. We’ve seen it before and all the bluster about “your newest Buccaneer” could just as easily go into the same file as “DEWEY DEFEATS TRUMAN.”
May 23rd, 2019 at 1:04 pm
Thought experiment…and I’d love a yes/no response.
Imagine this outcome…all due to the JPP neck injury.
Imagine if JPP is released (freeing up cap), Suh signs and GMC tests a lukewarm market but decides to take an offer from the Bucs at $8 million plus incentives, mirroring the Suh one-year deal.
Would you be pro or con for that outcome and why?
I, for one, would have a boner over the prospect.
May 23rd, 2019 at 1:04 pm
SUH>gmc
GO BUCS!!!!
May 23rd, 2019 at 1:06 pm
Something to also ponder Zach. Suh is not being asked to be an every down player. At 32, I’m sure this is a welcomed positive for Suh. There should be no need for him to coast. I think we’ll get a very disruptive player who might have 1-2 sacks less than GMC but will make twice as many tackles at the line of scrimmage. Plus, Suh is known for getting his paws up in the passing lanes, unlike GMC who acts like it’s too much effort.
May 23rd, 2019 at 1:09 pm
You’re right Bonzai. The Bucs have failed Gerald McCoy year after year. Not the other way around.
Since you acknowledge that McCoy had no control over who his coaches were or who was drafted around him, I’m not sure why you think Jason Licht is such a good GM. Goes to show you that Jason Licht has been a disaster.
May 23rd, 2019 at 1:11 pm
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May 23rd, 2019 at 12:58 pm
Nice report ..but it has all been posted in various threads…. C’mon, fans posting stats in the comments isn’t quite the same. –Joe
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gotta toughen the kid up 😉
May 23rd, 2019 at 1:13 pm
The Past Half Decade:
Suh
293 Combined Tackles
28.5 Sacks
2 Forced Fumbles
80 Games Played
McCoy
178 Combined Tackles
36 Sacks
3 Forced Fumbles
72 Games Played
So Suh has the edge in Combined Tackles and games played.
McCoy has a big edge in sacks, and a slight edge in Forced Fumbles.
Fans who claim McCoy only has 1.5 more sacks prove themselves to only be one year thinkers. He actually has an edge of 7.5 sacks in the past half decade.
Career-wise, Suh has the edge in sacks, but let’s face it, Suh has not been that good in sacks since 2014.
May 23rd, 2019 at 1:13 pm
Zach,
Nicely written and informative stats. There are stats though that do not show up or are just hard to find. Fans call them game changers such as Barber taking the INT to the house in Philly. Now that is extreme because everyone remembers that play. Less extreme would be Hardy Nickerson stuffing 3rd down attempts, Sapp hitting Steve Young and Brett Favre, Rice constantly stripping QB’s, Scott Brantley & Richard Batman Wood hitting players so hard they hurt themselves. John Lynch knocking out his Brother in Law. These were players who preformed and made plays WHEN they mattered. Through Gerald’s nine years I struggle to think of even one play that either sealed the game or changed the course. Suh might have similar stats to McCoy but I’m pretty sure when it comes to game changers he’s substantially better.
May 23rd, 2019 at 1:20 pm
d-rome
bucs did not fail anyone. every player, coach and front office personal they brought in with the mission to build a defense around cancer93 failed. all those free agents and coaches were successful elsewhere why did they magically get bad when they came to Tampa…. cancer93 is the common factor. you can’t have your highest paid player being the softest fraud in the league it’s a recipe for 8 basement titles. you choose to give cancer93 a free pass but the rest of us choose to recognize the obvious pattern of failure.
May 23rd, 2019 at 1:21 pm
D-Rome Says:
“Since you acknowledge that McCoy had no control over who his coaches were or who was drafted around him, I’m not sure why you think Jason Licht is such a good GM. Goes to show you that Jason Licht has been a disaster.”
Easy.
Licht had to draft Winston. Up until that point, defense was drafted on a regular basis…but from that point on, it became about building around Winston, not McCoy…by necessity.
It’s easy to say Licht ignored the defense, but in truth, if he had not, we would not have the offense we have now if he had not.
That said…this last draft, I believe, was 100 percent Arians and Bowles. It is the kind of draft that was not apparently spectacular outside of White, but we won’t truly know if it was a bad draft until 2-3 years from now.
And it’s not like Licht ignored the defense last year.
Vea looks good. Davis looks good. Jordan Whitehead looks good. (and on offense Alex Cappa and Justin Watson look good). That’s five good to great picks…and Ronald Jones may still turn out.
Outside of 2016, his drafts have been good to great too.
May 23rd, 2019 at 1:22 pm
Suh Mccoy same same ones cheaper than the other don’t read too much in to the other stuff.
May 23rd, 2019 at 1:25 pm
This reminds me of Albert Haynesworth. It is going to be bad.
May 23rd, 2019 at 1:26 pm
Interesting stat…since Gerald McCoy was drafted, 37 Defensive Players were drafted.
Licht drafted 18 of them (unless you subtract the picks from this year)
May 23rd, 2019 at 1:27 pm
A note to the McCoy fanbois who think the guy is headed for the Ring of Honor: your opinions insult Simeon Rice, a guy who McCoy couldn’t even carry his jock.
Rice>McCoyx50. Yeah, I know, different position, just sayin’.
Rice, Wilder and Bell deserve the RoH looooong before McCoy does.
May 23rd, 2019 at 1:27 pm
On correction on myself…the year before Winston, the Bucs drafted all offense.
May 23rd, 2019 at 1:32 pm
very bad maneuvering on the bucs part…they should fly a rep in, meet at his hotel, have a morning coffee together and sign the contract…freak accidents do happen…the bucs are banking that things stay status quo?????…if arron donald goes down like jpp did, the rams call suh and say come back for 12 mil…and there goes suh…only the bucs do things this way…all the other teams are aware he isn’t signed…and they’re mulling over if they should throw in a late offer to seal the dude…this is crazy to sit on…
imagine in 3 days if the saints have both mccoy and suh on their roster signed sealed and delivered…both!!
May 23rd, 2019 at 1:33 pm
ummm…ever heard of fed ex overnight mail…
contract should be signed by now
May 23rd, 2019 at 1:40 pm
I view this as a virtual wash. Each player brings different abilities but BOTH have put together solid NFL careers.
It’s not like comparing Suh to Swaggy Baker…that would make a huge difference. Suh is probably marginally better than GMC but not dramatically.
Suh is not a real difference maker in this defense…neither would McCoy have been. We need our young new guys to step up and play like vets. If White and our DB’s play up to their talent…our defense will be improved. We’ve acquired a lot more speed, more tenacious hitters and ball hawks. We WILL be better and Suh will be just another piece in that 11 man or greater rotation on the D side of the ball.
May 23rd, 2019 at 1:40 pm
This debate will not be settled until Suh takes a snap for us. It will likely take on after that but I don’t care whose the better player. Care whose the better Buccaneer.
May 23rd, 2019 at 1:59 pm
Looking at stats for DTs doesn’t really tell you much.
Your looking at tackles. Who gives a crap about tackles? A tackle can be completely meaningless. It can also be the biggest play of the game. Looking at the numbers tells you very little. Its the plays is what matters.
May 23rd, 2019 at 2:05 pm
stpete I think it depends on the contract before I say its a wash. If its 9M then I think its a win for us.
May 23rd, 2019 at 2:06 pm
played in 4-3 in Miami, and the nose next to Donald. Here he’s 3 tech in 3-4. And doing it with McCoy wasn’t working, esp. at that price. Arians is changing the culture…did he really seem like he wanted McCoy around?
May 23rd, 2019 at 2:10 pm
I’m so lost at some of the ignorance of supposed “knowledgeable” fans who spew constant negativity like tmax.
In what universe are defenses built around defensive tackles? McCoy has been in the top 3 in defensive tackle sacks since he came in the league. Defensive tackles are not supposed to be the sack guys. They are supposed to plug the middle and chew up blockers so other guys can get the sacks. The putrid level of defensive end play over GMC’s career is the most damning evidence of how bad the roster construction and coaching for the defensive ends were. They FINALLY got a decent one to play alongside GMC last season and voila, 12.5 sacks.
No one “builds” their defense around a DT. The Rams defense is not built around Donald. That’s just asinine BS being spewed by negative fans who need something to leech onto and complain about. A good to great DT just makes it more possible to for you to run your scheme more successfully.
Just because some of you comment 40 times a day doesn’t mean you have an iota of a clue as to what you’re talking about.
May 23rd, 2019 at 2:23 pm
Is there a stat for “collapsing a double team” or “pancaking an OL into the backfield” or “causing an OL to cry to momma” or “made OL coaches s#!t themselves game planning”?
Because in the game of football, those are some of the most important “stats” for interior DL, maybe more important than tackles and sacks.
If I’m an OL, who would I rather play against? A quick guy who will respect me and my QB, or some unhinged malevolent who might stomp my face for fun?
May 23rd, 2019 at 2:25 pm
Couldn’t be bothered to read the article. JBF has gone to the well too many times with their McCoy fan boy love.
May 23rd, 2019 at 2:38 pm
Forget the stats.. here is the bottom line…
Suh wasn’t brought in for “leadership”…look at this last draft…it screams “leadership”. What we need is a hard edged guy with an edge of ferocity…something to prove. He has to prove he is a better player than Gerald…his pride and reputation is at stake. This is supposedly a one year “prove it” contract. And I expect him to perform. Time for nice guys that wouldn’t confront someone if their careers depended on it to find another team…guys that want to slack to find another team. And time for the coaching staff to back up guys playing their hearts out in conflicts with the refs and during the game, and let the guys know he is their player. It is a new day in Tampa Bay
May 23rd, 2019 at 2:41 pm
The key to the season is Jameis.
If he continues to be a turnover machine, nothing else will matter much.
But if he makes good decisions and showcases his talent, Bucs are a possible playoff team, not just because of Jameis, but because the team will feed off of his play
May 23rd, 2019 at 2:42 pm
Fans
There are ways to make a legal verbal commitment to a contract even before a person “signs on the dotted line”. Consult your local lawyer or judge for details.
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Go Bucs!!
May 23rd, 2019 at 2:46 pm
After that beat down in Arizona in 2017 where Adrian Peterson ran all over the Bucs I can see why Arians has moved on from some of those defensive players that wore Tampa uniforms.
May 23rd, 2019 at 2:48 pm
tony la
dude i don’t expect anyone who willing lives in LA to understand much of anything…..
May 23rd, 2019 at 2:50 pm
Tony in LA. The Tampa 2 defense is essentially built around the 3tech. This is a defense that been run by the Buccaneers for over 30 years now. Dungy perfected it and got it to it’s peak and then the Bucs clung to it at saw it at it’s worst form ever(last year).
But the most critical part to running a Tampa 2 is creating passrush with a steady steady 4 man front……3 tech is the Pinnacle piece because he is the one player you rely on to gain pressure from the inside. He is your first and only hope to create pressure from inside. If your 3 tech can’t disrupt plays then you mau as well hook up Tampa 2 defense on Life Support.
May 23rd, 2019 at 2:53 pm
There’s no comparison….Suh was brought in to play a position/role that didn’t fit McCoy AND at a price much cheaper. Its like comparing Revis to Barber…..both are CBs, but they were asked to do very different roles. Both will make the HOF…IMO. Barber was a part of much more dominant defenses with more clutch moments….but Revis was a true shut down corner that QBs simply didn’t test.
May 23rd, 2019 at 3:03 pm
BTW Zach I was 50/50 on you but you won me with this article about Suh. And if he goes down in flames well ride out the stern together. Or watch some real Buccaneers show us how you win a freaking football game!!!!
GO BUCS!!!
May 23rd, 2019 at 3:09 pm
“If anything, McCoy was the one constant for this defense “ –
You are correct, Zachary. The constant being they sucked every year.
May 23rd, 2019 at 3:18 pm
I don’t know what a fanbois is but there is no question McCoy will be in the Ring of Honor one day. He’s one of the greatest Buccaneers in team history and there is no debate about that. Six pro-bowls, three All Pro selections, 3rd on the team in sacks, 3rd in solo tackles from the DT position. It’s not a matter of being a fan. These are undeniable facts.
I certainly won’t argue against Rice but James Wilder? If you can be against McCoy in the RoH then how can you be *for* Wilder who accomplished less? What great accomplishment did Wilder have? He rushed for under 6,000 yards for his career, is 2nd in Buccaneer history in fumbles, and has a single pro-bowl to his name.
You want to make the case that Simeon Rice should be in there first, then absolutely I’m all ears. However, you’re out of your mind if you think GMC will never be in the Ring of Honor. He’s going to be and you’re going to have to find it in your heart and soul to accept it. This is all a very strange post from you Cobraboy as you have been consistently one of the smartest and best commenters on JBF.
May 23rd, 2019 at 3:51 pm
sacks from the D line seem to matter less in this scheme than bucs fans might be used to. i’m still trying to recalibrate my expectations. for as long as i have been a bucs fan it has been all about pressure coming from 4 down linemen. this seems to be a scheme where tackles from those guys matter more, and that appears to make this move more sensible than a blanket look at the stats suggests
May 23rd, 2019 at 3:59 pm
OK, what is ALL that for? It’s done! Let’s move on
May 23rd, 2019 at 3:59 pm
I hate this notion that MCCOy has been on terrible defensive teams while SUH has been on all star casts….
Last year he had JPP/Nassib/Vea + others..
CLinton McDonald was very solid when here for years, about as good asny random Lions DT next to Suh or better I’d think.
Ziggy Ansah has had like a couple good years and otherwise sucked. Basically Suh got from Ansah what McCoy got from Bennet early.
Cam Wake might as well be JPP
The Rams unit is the only obvious one where they had pieces everywhere vs the Bucs or Lions or DOlphins.
Suh went to the freaking Lions which like the Bucs is where careers typically go to die. They never had some elite freakshow of talent around them. They might as well have been the Bucs but with a better front office and coaching
May 23rd, 2019 at 4:16 pm
All rankings not stats for the individual
Suh has better individual stats than McCoy except FF
Go Night We Love yo Love this guy why. BECAUSE HE IS NICE
May 23rd, 2019 at 4:17 pm
If GMC played with more zFIRE HE WOULD BE ELITE
May 23rd, 2019 at 4:20 pm
With Lee Roy Selmon on the team the Bucs defense finished, 27th, 20th, 22nd and 21st. How dare he be in the HOF when he was so awful that in an era where there was just 28 teams, the Bucs were generally in the bottom 3rd. of the league. Disgusting that he’s thought of so highly.
May 23rd, 2019 at 4:50 pm
@Zachary … “The Bucs are getting a player that can take over a game and lead a defense when motivated. … If they get the Suh that takes plays off, and only goes to the beat of his own drum, this defense is in trouble.”
Excellent article Zachary, but no one gets to pick & choose how motivated Suh decides to be this year. He is who he is. One thing that you might’ve included IMO is the defensive snaps AND S/T snaps that Suh has played each season. Quite simply, he’s been ‘on the field’ significantly more than even GMC was (and he was over-used IMO & wore down in many games). Suh, because of playing so many defensive snaps, may have just needed to ‘pace himself’ at various times, and to some that may have appeared like he was unmotivated.
Check out his defensive & S/T snaps since 2010 …
o 2018 (Rams) … 891 def snaps (87.9%) … 80 S/T snaps (16.8%)
o 2017 (Dolphins) … 883 def snaps (83.8%) … 11 S/T snaps (2.5%)
o 2016 (Dolphins) … 973 def snaps (84.4%) … 83 S/T snaps (17.8%)
o 2015 (Dolphins) … 985 def snaps (85.3%) … 49 S/T snaps (10.7%)
o 2014 (Lions) … 851 def snaps (81.4%) … 58 S/T snaps (13.7%)
o 2013 (Lions) … 867 def snaps (84.1%) … 69 S/T snaps (14.6%)
o 2012 (Lions) … 878 def snaps (85.1%) … 93 S/T snaps (18.6%)
o 2011 & 2010 (Lions) … couldn’t find his stats
What those numbers tell me though is that we’re getting a BEAST (possibly in more ways than one; who knows?). By ya, sometimes BEASTS have to pace themselves IF their coaches insist on keeping them on the field for 80-85% of the snaps. HOPEFULLY Todd Bowles won’t have a need to do that in his hybrid defense. I’ve long believed that one key to having a solid defense is keeping guys fresh, ESPECIALLY in the trenches.
May 23rd, 2019 at 4:53 pm
Joe….. “they are getting a player who doesn’t consistently show up” DO YOU MEAN LIKE MCCOY????? Late 3rd early to ALL of the 4th quarter where has Mccoy been??? On the freeking bench or invisible! At least Suh has attitude!!!
May 23rd, 2019 at 4:55 pm
I read the Suh deal is officially done, $9.5 mil, incentives to $10.
Let Bucs fans finish the McCoy wake and wish the new Buc Beast the best…
May 23rd, 2019 at 4:56 pm
DR
great stuff…..
all this BS about him taking plays off is nonsense….
you said it perfectly….PACE
GO BUCS!!!!
May 23rd, 2019 at 5:52 pm
People are making way too big of deal out of this McCoy vs. Suh business.
May 23rd, 2019 at 7:00 pm
@SCBuc
Agree with you! Depends on what they earn this year before we really compare their value. If GMC gets 13 million somewhere then Suh was a steal.
@Gotbbucs
Agree with you as well. But this is ancient history now. Since their draft these two have been paired in many conversations. The same thing happens with JW and Mariota because of when they were drafted.
May 23rd, 2019 at 7:02 pm
Gotta stop looking at sacks as the primary stat, they’re a bonus at DT, especially at NT. We need this guy for plugging the middle/stopping the run, something I never thought GMC was very good at.
May 24th, 2019 at 1:11 am
Anyone who watches football knows that comparisons are laughable at best. Suh is superior in every aspect of playing defense. It’s like comparing a Benz to a nice Ford. He will thrive in this defense as he’ll take the same role Bowles gave Darnell Dockett and Campbell in AZ. I don’t think McCoy was suited to play that, but Suh will be a monster at it. Go back and watch some of those 2012 and 2013 AZ games and how he played defense with those pieces. The only question mark you still have is CB. He had elite ones in AZ, even with the old version of Cromarti.
May 24th, 2019 at 1:15 am
Sorry, meant 2013 and 2014 seasons. He got pass rush production out of the carcass of John Abraham for Christ sakes and made him a Pro Bowler. Bucs finally got some real coaches.
May 24th, 2019 at 12:07 pm
Bonzai,
So McCoy has 7.5 sacks over the last 5 years and he has a big edge in sacks? That only averages out to 1.5 sacks more per year. That really isn’t a huge difference.