Bargain Rate On Suh?
May 22nd, 2019
Tipoff on new contract.
As of the publishing of this here story, we do not know the value of new Bucs defensive tackle Ndamukong Suh’s one-year contract.
And for Pat Kirwan, that’s a big tell.
Speaking on his wonderful radio show, “Movin’ the Chains,” heard exclusively on SiriusXM NFL Radio yesterday, of course the jettisoning of Gerald McCoy and the addition of Suh came up a few times.
The former Bucs scout and Jets personnel chief and linebackers coach, Kirwan is a little dubious of the exchange in defensive tackles.
Joe noticed hosts of both NFL Radio shows following the announcement of Suh coming to Tampa don’t believe the Bucs came out ahead on the virtual swap of GMC for Suh — unless the Bucs saved a ton of cash.
The Bucs, as we all well know, are in salary cap hell, which is why GMC and his $13 million salary became expendable.
“Why?” Kirwan asked of flipping GMC for Suh. “Now if they do the deal [with Suh] for $13 million straight up like they did McCoy, then I go right back to, ‘Why?'”
Kirwan thinks the Bucs asked McCoy to take a pay cut and he believes not only did GMC want out but he likely already knows where he will land.
“When a guy doesn’t negotiate a contract down, part of it is he didn’t like the number that they gave him,” Kirwan explained. “Part of it is the structure but sometimes — no surprise here — the player already knows what team wants him.
“The agent [likely] already said, ‘Hey, I’ve got something going for you. So we’re not taking this.'”
Given that as of midnight Wednesday morning there is still no word on the numbers on Suh’s contract with the Bucs, Kirwan said that is a tipoff AC/DC-loving general manager Jason Licht got over on Suh’s agent.
“When a guy signs and we don’t hear a number right away, that’s because the agent didn’t leak it,” said Kirwan, the former pro personnel director of the Jets. “Clubs never leak it. So why wouldn’t the agent leak the deal that he just signed?”
Kirwan went on to explain if Suh was getting close to what GMC earned, or more, “It would have came right out.” That’s because, Kirwan said, agents like to crow about making good deals as a way to market themselves to other prospective clients.
May 22nd, 2019 at 12:04 am
Swapping a 31 year old declining DT for a 32 year old declining DT
They must have signed him for the league minimum
May 22nd, 2019 at 12:13 am
14 mil and #93
#rotfl
Jk. Do we know if he even signed the deal yet? There’s nothing on Bucs dot com and coach wouldn’t address it during the pc so is it possible that the deal is not completed?
I know we signed Leggett and there’s a feature on Beau Allen (who I would cut but wtfdik) but nothing about Suh.
May 22nd, 2019 at 12:21 am
Good one year deal and gives them another year to see what Vea has, 2019 we can use a premium pick on either a nose or 3 tech and Suh will move on
May 22nd, 2019 at 12:22 am
Year 1: Michael Johnson
Year 2: Henry Melton
Year 3: Robert Ayers
Year 4: Chris Baker
Year 5: Vinnie Curry
Year 6: Ndamukong Suh
These are the defensive linemen that enjoyed a Florida vacation
At the expense of the Bucs
All exclusive Florida vacation
May 22nd, 2019 at 12:25 am
and have enough money now to sign their draft class
May 22nd, 2019 at 12:31 am
Wow LakeLand I don’t even think Ndamukong Suh’s plane has touched down in Tampa yet.
May 22nd, 2019 at 12:50 am
Lake
I noticed Clinton McDonald is not on your list. Is that bc he virtually tied McIceCream’s production when he was on the field or did you just forget to add him?
May 22nd, 2019 at 1:14 am
Watch it come out 1 year 10 M
May 22nd, 2019 at 1:15 am
Lake just give it a rest dude. Wtf are you even on about really.
Was anyone listening when it was stated multiple times that PRESSURE FROM THIS DEFENSE IS NOT DESIGNED TO COME FROM THE THREE DOWN LINEMEN. There is a reason it’s a one gap system. It’s designed to eat up blockers and allow your two ILB’s to roam around and suck up tackles like vacuum cleaners. The pressure, sometimes even just simulated to force the ball out quickly with your corners still in press, is intended to come from the outside along with blitzes through the A/B gaps.
So in other words, the 3 down need to maintain their gap integrity and be stout against the run. It is an objective fact that Suh is a much better player in the trenches when it comes to this, and that McCoy has shown at times he will whiff his gap and get gashed for chunk yards, usually leaving the likes of Barrett Ruud, Mason Foster or Kwon Alexander to make the desperation tackle 12 yards down field. Again, OBJECTIVE FACTS.
This news of him not signing for top dollar just validates that it was the PROPER move in terms of who fits the scheme weighed against the price tag, with the added benefit of opening up enough cap room to sign the draft class.
It has ZERO to do with who’s this age and who has this many sacks. Some of you sound like you’re inspired by Max Kellerman with your surface level hot takes
May 22nd, 2019 at 1:19 am
Now that was a fun negotiation! Both sides had cards to play, neither flinched and once the Bucs got close enough with Suh’s Agent, they called the shot and sent GMC on his way. Wow!
May 22nd, 2019 at 1:22 am
Jameis is the true leader now in the locker room! It’s about time! The Jameis Show is set to take over the NFL. In Jameis I Trust!
May 22nd, 2019 at 1:23 am
If this is true that McCoy was never approached with an actual offer then the only logical explanation would be that Licht didn’t want to upset his ego and give the appearance of low balling him. GMC precipitated this move by his unwillingness to compromise with the franchise that made him a multi-millionaire. Thanks for the memories …as life moves on
May 22nd, 2019 at 2:29 am
DB55
Clinton McDonald didn’t “virtually tie” GMC’s production, not even close. McCoy had 30 sacks to McDonald’s 13.5.
Get that fake news trash out of here
May 22nd, 2019 at 2:45 am
Why did suh come to tampa. that’s the question im interested in and no one seem to care about. we have seen these vets fade away in the florida’s sun before. he cannot possibly think this team is going anywhere this season. no one with a sane mind does. he just missed on the trophy last year. i assume he couldn’t find another landing spot which suites his demands.. so what’s the mindset he’s in?
May 22nd, 2019 at 3:35 am
But at least we got a new $3m punter!
May 22nd, 2019 at 4:01 am
Maybe it is just me, but I figured the number did not leak because it still had not been decided upon. The media announced the deal, not the agent or team, right?
A deal isn’t done until it is official, and the amount usually leaks out after that.
Would be a kick in the teeth for some if this turns into another Brett Favre situation, lol.
Question:
Do McCoy and Suh share the same agent?
May 22nd, 2019 at 4:15 am
“This news of him not signing for top dollar just validates…”
A bit soon to make that assumption. Suh spent moths unsigned for a reason, yet people claim a day or two on the market is proof that McCoy sucks?
Get real, people.
The only way McCoy makes less than $10 million is if he goes to a team that offers a good chance to earn a title. And if he does, he will be one of the best players on that team.
People here think Suh is all that, but compare the two over the past half decade, and you will see McCoy is better than Suh.
But…if this deal becomes official, I’ll hope for the best and cheer him on. Although I suspect he will have a Grimes-like attitude on the field if they don’t pay him a lot.
May 22nd, 2019 at 4:19 am
Jean Lafitte Says:
May 22nd, 2019 at 1:23 am
“If this is true that McCoy was never approached with an actual offer then the only logical explanation would be that Licht didn’t want to upset his ego and give the appearance of low balling him. GMC precipitated this move by his unwillingness to compromise with the franchise… ”
how could he compromise if those discussions never took place?
May 22nd, 2019 at 4:47 am
What if, just what if Mccoy is the one who entered JL office at the end of last season or even before that and said that enough is enough and he wants out?
They probably agreed to keep quiet as much as possible, BA doesnt care much about mccoy, maybe his ego was a little hurt even so he said what he said about mccoy and that’s it. They told mccoy he will be released once they find his replacement. they waited for the draft to make sure they cant get the best DT and then started talking to SUH.
who knows
May 22nd, 2019 at 6:06 am
PriMech, if you comprehended lakeland’s post he is basically stating spot on that licht is horrible at signing DL & suh is another fan of the steve miller band at the bucs expense. But carry on with your 5-11 gm
May 22nd, 2019 at 6:20 am
@Lakeland
How could you forget Albert Haynesworth.
May 22nd, 2019 at 6:40 am
Sounds like a very interesting back story with possible contract violations and NFL tampering…..oh well…I done with this story and move on…we’ll never get the real juicy stuff only whiffs and innuendo
May 22nd, 2019 at 6:46 am
GMC wouldn’t take a pay cut
So now he will take a pay cut
ITS ALL ABOUT GMC in his mind
By the Way the Bucs had Suh 24 hours after cutting GMC
Still haven’t heard of GMC being signed YET the media reports “GMC May have people already lined up”
I am willing to BET GMC is asking to much money.
WHY is GMC NOT signed YET. HE IS BETTER THAN SUH , A6time ProBowler
A BETTER RUSHER…. TEAMS SHOULD BE JUMPING ON HIM
HUMMMM could it Be Y’all are WRONG
See PRODUCT OUT WEIGHS FEELINGS IN THE NFL
May 22nd, 2019 at 7:12 am
I’m glad we just had a draft loaded with DT’s, and Licht’s master plan was to swap aging vets hoping to save 3 million dollars. Another waste, like JPP. At least this time Lichty didn’t have to part with a high draft pick. Probably be Suh’s last paycheck, and of course it’ll be signed by the Bucs.
May 22nd, 2019 at 7:28 am
I can tell you why it was a great trade of players easily… now we have a MAN a BEAST a PRO at the position instead of a attention seeking little boy in his little pajamas with the feet still attached who plays with dolls and sulks when his arse isn’t kissed.
May 22nd, 2019 at 7:48 am
West
Shhhh! Grown folk are talking.
May 22nd, 2019 at 7:53 am
PriMech54…Your comment is dead on
GMC has great get off and strength and is a premier 3 technique. Its is where he feels comfortable and what he does best. Having said that, he blows up the line of scrimmage and offenses know that and have adjusted. Teams are willing to have him blow up a few plays and work around him. We have said for years if only he had help off the edge. he had help last year, same results from him. he is very very good at what he does, but why keep lining up in a D that only plays to his strengths. I like GMC. My daughters have met him, he’s always been a gentlemen. Great guy in the community as well.
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result.
Suh is willing to move up and down the line and fits in to odd man fronts, willing to eat space and do dirty work. I am not talking sacks. Suh has more TFLs than any player out there right now. It’s all about scheme fit here. Now if he starts taking plays off, that’s another story. I would like to see his type of attitude on the field. Sapp was a once in a generation type of guy in a perfect D fit for him. Warren was a$$ but he set a tone and everyone new keep your head on a swivel when he’s out there. that’s what i am expecting from Suh.
May 22nd, 2019 at 8:25 am
I was hoping to avoid the name Jason Licht
But the names I mentioned are Jason Licht signees
All-exclusive paid Florida vacation
Complement of Jason Licht
May 22nd, 2019 at 9:03 am
so folks bash GMC and then when we replace him with an DT that has made just as many PB’s and has playoff experience with 3 different teams, folks b!tch and complain…..lol….
suh is here for more than on field production…he’s here to change the culture and be a true leader on defense…..
GO BUCS!!!!!
May 22nd, 2019 at 10:44 am
Suh will do ok. But he’s no better than GMC. I want to see what we actually paid him.
May 22nd, 2019 at 11:37 am
@Bonzai
“how could he compromise if those discussions never took place?”
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I believe GMC and his agent were aware the Bucs wanted to restructure but never spoke of any numbers. Probably hoping GMC would offer some numbers first. Just a guess
May 22nd, 2019 at 2:33 pm
Looks like one year at 9 mil plus incentives up to 10 mil. That’s a start but definitely need a couple more players. What’s up with ESPN most people on Joes blog talk about playoffs, Bucs hardly even mentioned on espn.
May 22nd, 2019 at 4:41 pm
The smart thing for the Bucs would be to structure Suh’s contract where a significant portion is a bonus that does not count towards cap. It would be great if it is $5M signing bonus, $5M 1-year contract plus g sacks or pro bowl bonus etc.