All On No. 3
May 5th, 2019
Pressure.
Interesting paragraph on BSPN.com that demonstrates the Bucs’ franchise crossroads.
In a story about the best college quarterbacks likely to be drafted next year, a sidebar piece is typed about which teams could be looking to draft a quarterback next season. The Bucs were included.
Bruce Arians is the Buccaneers’ third coach since the team drafted Winston in 2015. If Arians can’t elevate Winston into being a consistent starter, then it’s probably not happening. Winston’s got one year, and then some decisions will have to be made.
You know, this is a helluva point. Arians has consistently said one reason he took the Bucs job is that the Bucs had a quarterback (and no, he wasn’t talking about journeyman backup Ryan Fitzpatrick).
But let’s say America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston, falls on his face this season and Team Glazer has seen enough (Jameis is in the final year of his contract)? Does Arians stick around?
Arians has said he didn’t come here to rebuild, but to reload. Well, drafting a quarterback next spring sure as hell isn’t reloading; that’s rebuilding, folks. Would Arians just pack it in at that point?
And if Arians does pack it in, in part, because Jameis fails, why in the world would Team Glazer hand the coaching duties over to offensive coordinator Byron Leftwich, who, within league circles, is the hot candidate to succeed Arians in Tampa Bay?
If Jameis unravels, that will be two quarterbacks in two years Leftwich would have failed with (Leftwich coached Josh Rosen in Arizona and if a team gives up on the guy a year after they traded up in the first round to draft, that, friends, is a failure).
And if the coaching staff is blown out, it’s difficult to see Bucs AC/DC-loving general manager Jason Licht sticking around.
There is a helluva lot riding on Jameis’ shoulders this fall. A whole lot of people’s careers could hang in the balance.
May 5th, 2019 at 12:10 am
I’m rooting for JW. I could see a scenario where he plays just good enough that it will be a tough decision to keep him or not. There is the franchise tag as a short term solution. Good God I would hope Jason Licht would be gone if 2019 is under .500. BA does strike me as the type that isn’t afraid to give the single finger salute at the drop of Kangol hat.
May 5th, 2019 at 12:15 am
We will find out soon enough for now go Bucs an go #3 he’s on the team so toot for him
May 5th, 2019 at 12:16 am
Root**
May 5th, 2019 at 12:21 am
Ha ha ha ha ha!
Jameis is the scapegoat for the trainwreck that comes….
This fan’s been telling ya that…and will keep telling ya.
Run Jameis run.
May 5th, 2019 at 12:22 am
*that
May 5th, 2019 at 12:28 am
Can you please fix my typo while in moderation?
Thanks in advance Buc1987…or well known as 87.
May 5th, 2019 at 12:48 am
Arians is here to fix the roster and the culture. Bowles is here to get the defense into the current century. Leftwitch is here to fix Jameis and make his case for HC. I’m here to make meaningless predictions and vent with the rest of the helpless Buc fans.
May 5th, 2019 at 1:46 am
The idea of Cards jettisoning Rosen after a year and Leftwich being responsible is the most hairbrained, ignorant opinions I’ve seen on this site which is really saying something.
1- cards were hot trash. Fired OC early in season and had Leftwich step into OC role. No RBs or WRs topped 1k yards, Rosen had
26.6 QBR. By beginning of December all starting o line players who were trash to begin with were lost for the season. Joes tend to sport tin foil hats when evaluating o line play so for them to overlook that isn’t surprising.
2- transition to Kingsbury’s air raid style from the Arians vertical passing scheme. Rosen has a big arm and can pass down field well, but doesn’t have the experience Kyler does in a spread concept. Kyler also has the elusiveness that integrates well in this scheme which calls for spontaneous play making on occasion, whereas Rosen is a statue in the pocket a lot like Carson Palmer. But sure, let’s completely overlook that as well.
Funny how we haven’t seen a single down played by our new team and there are already predictions that Arians will quit if Jameis isn’t up to snuff AND Leftwich will fail bc of a horrible situation (name me a cardinal WR outside Fitzgerald??) he went thru in AZ.
May 5th, 2019 at 1:53 am
Don’t think so at all. Name another quarterback drafted in the first round since the merger that the team gave up on after one season. You won’t find one.
Leftwich was both his quarterback coach and later his offensive coordinator. Why should Leftwich be abolved of any blame in this failure?
May 5th, 2019 at 2:00 am
Joe,
The Cards are a failure in progress. Steve Keim has what 4 QB’S he claimed were the fix longterm. Rosen got sacked more than anyone else in the window of snap to 2.0 and snap to 2. 5 seconds. Bucs fans claim the oline is the worst in football..Obviously they don’t watch the cards. That on Rosen …too…
There’s another way of dismissing such nonsense but let’s use your own comments, repeated ad nauseum, the bucs let (fill in the blank) and they went on to win a superbowl.
Heck, let’s employ the nuclear option and end this nonsense..
michael bennett…boom.!!!!
.Mic drop….
Good night from chernobly
May 5th, 2019 at 2:09 am
I’m just here for the comments.
tickrdr
May 5th, 2019 at 2:51 am
‘Shill, Stubborn, Craft Beer Hating, fist table slamming, nearly Ira injuring’ Joe is going further off the rails by the day.
The Cards have a new HC, staff and significant game plan change and you want to say the existing quarterback is a failure…..
Your credibility has lowered to a new level in journalism, the blog play now makes sense.
Sane Joe, please step up and help our brother in arms, sometimes we stray and stumble and need support.
May 5th, 2019 at 3:03 am
Joe,
Why should Leftwich be absolved..???? Geez Louise. ..if .absolved is street slang for fired then you’re spot on.
If Kingsbury wasn’t hired this year…would Rosen be a card?
If kyle Murray decided to stick with baseball. ..who’d be the cards qb?
Who knows..
But one thing is clear, crystal clear, kingsbury just hired and Murray available ..no way that marriage doesn’t happen. Notice that equation doesn’t have Rosen in it..
The cards will have had 3 different headcoaches in 3 years. 3 different philosophy and scheme changes which leads to changes in players .
Biggest question is between Rosen and Murray. .which one is a better fit for Kingsbury and his system? If the bucs hired kingsbury..this year. .Winston wouldn’t be a buc now. Does that mean Winston’s a failure. …please dont foolishly attempt to argue winston would start over murray.
May 5th, 2019 at 3:30 am
@Joe,
For one, if the Jameis fails this season and we draft a QB, that doesn’t mean we won’t go out and get a veteran QB to transition a rookie QB.
Josh Rosen was failed by a coaching change. It’s not any one person’s fault. Rosen is just not Kliff’s guy. That and Murray is a dynamic QB. It’s just the way the Cards fell.
Leftwich still has to prove he’s legit OC and HC material, don’t get me wrong. But, it’s not Leftwich’s fault that Rosen didn’t turn into Marino.
May 5th, 2019 at 3:35 am
Add to the fact that Rosen isn’t an easy personality to deal with, so he’s not going to have many coaches go out on a limb to vouch for him.
May 5th, 2019 at 3:35 am
In Jameis I Trust! Fireeeee Licht!
May 5th, 2019 at 4:46 am
@Bucsfaninchina
FINALLY! A non-ignorant post contributor! You speak logos!
May 5th, 2019 at 5:41 am
BA has yet to coach his first game as the Captain of our pirate ship. Can we all allow him that BEFORE we tell him to walk the plank? And then, if he wins that first game, can we allow him a second BEFORE we throw him overboard? Heck, if we go 16-0 we MIGHT even ask him to coach that first playoff game … assuming by that time he’s mastered the walking on water thingie of course.
May 5th, 2019 at 5:50 am
BTW Joe, BSPN won’t win the Nostradamus Award for their insight. Love their conclusion … “Winston’s got one year, and then some decisions will have to be made.” Duh, really?
JAMEIS IS ON A ONE-YEAR CONTRACT BSPN. Of course there are ‘some decisions’ to be made. And yes, BEFORE committing mega-millions to a new contract for Jameis, it’s a pretty safe bet that the Glazer Boyz & Bruce Arians will have to be convinced BY JAMEIS’ PLAY THIS YEAR that HE’S THE MAN. (Might want to throw Jason Licht in there too … nah, probably not; if Jameis goes, bye bye Jason).
May 5th, 2019 at 6:36 am
Joe, the comparison to Rosen is simply wrong. BucsfaninChina is dead on about this. The move to Kingsbury and Murray had almost nothing to do with Josh Rosen. Ir didn’t matter who was back there at QB, he was going to ride and die with Murray.
If you think Rosen was the reason for the Cards failure you simply don’t know what you’re talking about.
May 5th, 2019 at 7:15 am
All the HC help…..quarterback coaching (supposedly good)…..4 years experience, being dubbed “America’s Quarterback”…..and now a new QB coach, OC who was a QB and the “QB Whisperer”
If Jameis fails…..it will be purely on Jameis…..he’s had every opportunity to succeed……except for the very things other QBs have…..a running game and a just an average defense.
Can we all root for Jameis?
May 5th, 2019 at 7:54 am
The only comparison with the Cards is Keim and a Licht. Two GMs on the hot seat.
May 5th, 2019 at 7:55 am
All On No. 3
May 5th, 2019
Pressure.
Interesting paragraph on BSPN.com that demonstrates the Bucs’ franchise is on the precipice
May 5th, 2019 at 7:56 am
TBBF,
I will undoubtedly root for Jameis to succeed and lead us to the playoffs. I will not make excuses for his play, and anticipate the FSU homers to come out in full force, ala Freemanites. I will be rooting for the best, while keeping it real. Let’s hope for a strong year.
May 5th, 2019 at 7:58 am
Buc1987 Says:
May 5th, 2019 at 12:21 am
Ha ha ha ha ha!
Jameis is the scapegoat for the trainwreck that comes….
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did you ever buy those season tickets you said you would if the Bucs drafted Jameis ?
May 5th, 2019 at 8:29 am
Worst case scenario is Winston gets injured early in the season and we still don’t really know what we have in him.
May 5th, 2019 at 8:42 am
Bobby M. Says:
May 5th, 2019 at 8:29 am
Worst case scenario is Winston gets injured early in the season and we still don’t really know what we have in him.
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Oh Gawd…don’t even go there
May 5th, 2019 at 9:04 am
The ESPN smear campaign still going strong after 7 years. Gotta give em credit though they won’t give up, BUT they will lose and they of course won’t let you know about it, cause that’s what they do. For instance remember way back when Jameis signed autographs for money in college and it was proved false? Well I remember a big headline and lead story on SC but somehow missed the retraction. Weird right…….? It’s been like this for 7 freaking years and the bad part is a lot of you people have fallen for it and don’t even know you’ve been brainwashed.
May 5th, 2019 at 9:21 am
Anyone who’s career is in Winston’s hands should look back at the last 4 seasons of garbage he has given us and ask themselves why they think year 5 will be different. How many ways can this guy make us choke down he’s not an nfl starter. I guess in Tampa you need 5 fails before you believe the guy is who he has shown you he is. Man we take a long time to learn in Tampa
May 5th, 2019 at 9:56 am
Will be interesting to see how much blame JW gets this year. This team is very bad and my prediction is 3-13. Jameis doesn’t play on the defensive side of the ball so he can’t do anything to keep the other teams from scoring, and score they will. On offense he has a bad o-line that wasn’t improved this offseason, and a weak running back corps that also was not addressed this offseason. JW has the deck stacked against him. My guess is he will play ok but will shoulder a lot of the blame and fans will cry for his scalp. Arians will retire, JW gets traded for bag of peanuts and goes onto a great career with a well run organization.
May 5th, 2019 at 9:57 am
@Bucfaninchina…is right.
His take on Rosen was 100% spot on. @Joe’s predictable counterpoint was again falling flat. Poor analysis and conclusions drawn, on Rosen’s development and its correlation to Leftwich is ANY way.
Cards has ZERO OLine, and the Cards thru that stooge Bidwill (and Keim) first give the keys to the kingdom to Wilks and staff, then pull plug. Tbus all decisions down, were malformed, baseless, retarded.
And…ONCE they knew in January that they had the #1 overall draft selection, they targeted Kingsbury because he wanted only Murray. Its a one in a million QB thing, not “giving up” on Rosen. Bidwill and Keim were salivating wh*res (basically) for Murray, to sell tickets, land primetime future TV games, etc. Rosen ir anyone, wasn’t going to stand in the way of that. Period.
That’s…a proper and accurate characterization of the events there.
May 5th, 2019 at 10:00 am
Can’t wait to see how Murray holds up, once he gets hit four or five times by a 260 DE, LB…or landed on by 300 lb DT’s.
May 5th, 2019 at 10:32 am
Why is the hold season is on Jamies? That’s been the problem since he came to Tampa. How come the hold season was never on Elie or Andrew Luck? We need a team . One player ain’t never been the cause of winning or losing. It doesn’t matter if it’s a quarterback look at the Colts now they went got a team around him. The Patriots will run the ball more than throw the ball this year just like they did in the playoffs. This fan base knows nothing about football . Football is a team game not a quarterback game. I promise you Jamies would win a championship some where else just like the others. I will be happy to see Jamies leave this trash fan base and team.
May 5th, 2019 at 10:32 am
If JW fails and we draft a QB, why is that labeled a rebuild Joe?
Not all rookie QBs need 5 years to get they’re sh!t together.
May 5th, 2019 at 10:34 am
If you still have questions about your number one overall pick after 5 seasons he’s not the answer
Qbs like Roethelisberger Cousins and Ryan threw for over 30 TDs each with poorly ranked rushing attacks so the excuses for Jameis are over. It’s time to play consistently well or go be a back up somewhere
I was all for drafting him but let’s be real he hasn’t played well enough to be a franchise qb after 4 years.
No excuses in 2019
May 5th, 2019 at 10:46 am
It’s all on the qb on every NFL team.
May 5th, 2019 at 11:02 am
Right side of Oline is trash.
No running game.
Defense gave up a 73% completion and cant get off the field.
Jason Lichts 3rd coach and no clue how to build a team.
So when the season goes sideways. Its JW’s fault.
May 5th, 2019 at 11:14 am
If JW fails & BA decides to retire again, I would not retain any of his coaches. Glazer’s would need to clean house & yes Licht that means you to who should be at the top of the list. Or Glazer’s sell the team since you have no clue as to what’s going on.
May 5th, 2019 at 11:40 am
It’s comical to see the Jameis homers already making EXCUSES for him if he has a bad season this year.
Arians isn’t leaving just because Winston does. He took the Bucs job knowing full well this team has a lot of holes and has a few years of improvements before making a deep playoff run, he’s not stupid. He was also fully aware of Winston’s accuracy and turnover issues.
Good coaches don’t hitch their wagons to one player, especially one player that has already proven to have many shortcomings like Winston does.
Arians is getting paid millions to coach football, the game he loves, again.
Winston being gone in 2020 will have no bearing on whether Arians stays. I guarantee it.
May 5th, 2019 at 11:57 am
Trevor Lawrence in 2021’ is the guy I’d look to draft. Jameis isn’t worth the long term money he’s looking for. Play him this season and cut him loose of franchise him for another year if he has a good season. Licht has to find a way out of the cap nightmare he’s put the team in. The fastest way I see is too sell the farm and draft a young QB who will give you 4-5 years of low cost high reward.
May 5th, 2019 at 1:02 pm
No excuses!
#1 overall picks, especially QBs, are supposed to elevate the level of play around those- it succumb to it and make excuses!
Now or never! Year 5!
May 5th, 2019 at 1:36 pm
Laughed hard at that injury comment
May 5th, 2019 at 3:30 pm
SteveK – it could be Winston’s 15th season coming up for the Bucs (and still no playoffs) and there are fans commenting here that would say it still isn’t Winston’s fault somehow.
May 5th, 2019 at 4:27 pm
You think Tom Brady would make playoffs last year if he was the Bucs qb? Honest question.
May 5th, 2019 at 8:42 pm
Hey Bandit so did Dan Marino suck???
May 5th, 2019 at 9:12 pm
in many scenarios I imagine {schedule; basically same players; 5-11 2 straight years}, I see it as a high probability the Bucs will be picking number 3 in the 2020 draft…
Winston in the same system for a couple years never got it together… Many usually struggle in the 1st year of a new system… Leftwich is not seasoned or proven as OC…
IF Winston and Arians is gone next year, then just maybe the Bucs will finally pursue a QUALITY HC from a winning program and get lucky to draft Tua, Fromm or Herbert!
May 5th, 2019 at 9:28 pm
TouchDownTampaBay – what a HORRIBLE comparison.
Are you really comparing Dan Marino to Jameis Winston?
Oh, I get it… you’re trying to say that I must think Marino sucked because he didn’t win a Super Bowl???
Marino went to the Super Bowl and also lost in the Conference Championship twice, he went to the playoffs MANY times.
I was saying if Winston hadn’t been to the playoffs by his 15th season people would still be making excuses for him. I didn’t say if he didn’t win a Super Bowl. C’mon, man. Seriously?
May 5th, 2019 at 9:31 pm
CChead – I don’t know if Tom Brady would have made the playoffs last year as the Bucs QB but I would be willing to bet he’d win more than THREE GAMES for the entire season.
May 5th, 2019 at 10:15 pm
The Jameis is a victim of persecution people are nothing but fsu honks and lowlife trash. Get new material…please.
It’s do or die. The last year of eating L’s.
May 5th, 2019 at 10:28 pm
So T Rex, I went to UCF, don’t like FSU, and def not a low life. So do you suggest we cut everyone on the team that has been there the last 4 years if they have another losing season. Mike Evans, Ali Marpet, D Smith, L David, all have to go right. Or is it simply all on Jameis. I have my suspicions you have personal reasons for not liking JW and you want him gone even if they go 16-0 next year. I will try to separate his play from the actual final game results because it’s a team sport. Pretty sure you won’t be able to do that but I trust that Arians will be able to differentiate between the two.
May 6th, 2019 at 9:18 am
No QB has ever signed an extension after missing the playoffs for 5 straight years with that team. Heard that on NFL Network. You can only blame everyone else for so long. At some point, he’s just not the guy. I’m sorry.
May 6th, 2019 at 10:00 am
I’m not sure how one person can come to these conclusions without being completely irrational.
A coach that has a dynamic offense and needs a specific athlete to run at full strength and didn’t have one that fits his scheme means Rosen is a failure? No it means the GM failed in selecting the previous coach or failed in firing the coach after one season. Kingsbury has no ties to Rosen and he was plucked from USC to run his offense in Arizona you don’t pay your out buyout clause to be saddled with a QB that doesn’t fit your offense. It’s truly unbelievable how you got to that notion.
Regarding the Bucs… if JW3 does sh** the bed and they need to draft a QB next year it doesn’t even mean a rebuild. If anything it just opens the door for a pile of cap space with a rookie QB that will likely play at similar or better levels than JW3. Herbert, Tua, Fromm, Patterson, Eason plus I’m sure others will emerge. Why would Arians be so foolish to sign on to coach the Bucs thinking Jameis is 100% the answer when he hasn’t shown that he can do it consistently?
Just mind blowing thought process from this Joe. Lay off the hooch