O-Line Is Just Fine
April 27th, 2019
Bruce Arians has spoken through his actions
Bucs fans loved to hurl blame on the Tampa Bay offensive line over the past couple of years.
Well, Bucco Bruce Arians seems to disagree with you O-line haters.
Arians may have said the O-line needed upgrades, but what did he do about it? A whole lot of nothing. The 2019 NFL Draft has ended and the Bucs didn’t draft an offensive lineman. The heart of free agency ended with the Bucs signing on guy on the line, journeyman Earl Watford to a near veteran minimum contract, a paltry $870,000.
Think about that for a minute. All that bellyaching about Donovan Smith, the moaning about the right guard play, and Arians himself saying Demar Dotson struggles at run blocking — and here we are.
Joe’s really not too worried about the offensive line, and never really has been. The Bucs have much bigger issues.
April 27th, 2019 at 5:16 pm
Basically, BA just thinks that George Warhop sucked.
April 27th, 2019 at 5:16 pm
We really need top DL and OL help
and our GM Gump drafts two more DBs…………
Fire GUMP already
April 27th, 2019 at 5:16 pm
So who do you see starting at RG. We desperately needed a starter at G and someone to groom to take the RT job.
April 27th, 2019 at 5:17 pm
Joe,
In total agreement that the Bucs have bigger issues. However, you’re telling me the Bucs couldn’t spare one god damn pick on the OL? Joe’s definitely not telling you that. –Joe That kicker would most likely still be undrafted right now!
April 27th, 2019 at 5:17 pm
Really worried we didn’t pick up a 5th, 6th, 7th rd OL?
April 27th, 2019 at 5:18 pm
Over paid garbage including fan favorite Marpet. So we take a defense of tackle with our last pic that has no chance to play. When there is Higher rated OL still on the board that could at least compete at right guard??? If Jamies falls on his face With turnovers this year due to no running game … No one to blame but Jason Light and Brucey! Gave the face of the franchise absolutely no help to succeed this year!
April 27th, 2019 at 5:19 pm
You’re right Joe. The biggest issue is the GM. 2019 feels like a lame duck year until we get a real GM.
April 27th, 2019 at 5:20 pm
Our division rivals didn’t ignore the O line, even the Saints who’s O line is much better then ours used a high pick on a center. Atl, Car, all took O linemen, we didn’t, we’re good. Is it any wonder we finish behind all those teams every year?
April 27th, 2019 at 5:21 pm
Who we drafted wasn’t Jason Licht’s decision, people. He scouted the players and chose the players the coaching staff wanted. That’s what GMs do.
April 27th, 2019 at 5:21 pm
Dont worry that fat kicker we drafted can sub as a RG!!! SUPERBOWL!!!
April 27th, 2019 at 5:22 pm
They all addressed all OL and took running backs in the mid to late rounds when their backfield is much better than ours !
April 27th, 2019 at 5:24 pm
The biggest hole outside of DB’s were on the o-line. Naturally no one comes in to replace a line that suffered remarkably few injuries last year. Good luck Bucco Bruce and Jameis!
April 27th, 2019 at 5:25 pm
Only 13 guards were taken so apparently all the NFL GMS felt the guard talent was very limited.
April 27th, 2019 at 5:25 pm
5 – 11 record here we come again
April 27th, 2019 at 5:25 pm
Bless his heart but Dotson is a high mileage old man
April 27th, 2019 at 5:26 pm
@Wright
The Bucs can find the player you describe just as easily as a UDFA as a 6 or 7th round draft pick with a less than 10% chance of success. Do you gamble much when the odds are less than a 1 in ten chance of success? The kicker “wasted” a pick that was incredibly limited in value and had very little chance of providing a player who would even make our team.
Meanwhile we need to be clear on how bad our OL was last year.
Horrid in run blocking…ranked 31st in the league…Decent in pass blocking..15th which technically means the Bucs pass blocking is in the upper half of the league.
The OL should be improved next year just on experience and improved coaching. If our pass blocking gets into the top ten…good for JW…and if we could just get our run blocking to 15th…in the top half…we should be fine.
April 27th, 2019 at 5:27 pm
One side of the ball at a time! We’ve been using all the effort on offense to the point of where we were number two in offensive cap spending in the NFL. Get the D back on track!
April 27th, 2019 at 5:28 pm
Can we stop with the Jason Licht picks…..these are not his picks….it is obvious that Arians & in particular Bowles are making the picks….Jason is simply following orders.
On the kicker……BA to Jason “Jason, I want this kicker out of Utah”……Jason “Bruce, your joking, right?”…..BA “No, Bruce…..draft him”…..Jason “Please, please Bruce….don’t make me do this”
April 27th, 2019 at 5:28 pm
THE TANK FOR TUA IS ON!
It’s all one big strategy.
April 27th, 2019 at 5:29 pm
I bet we will be better this year at O-line. 29th ranked here we come!
April 27th, 2019 at 5:29 pm
It’s funny how surprised you guys are at us not drafting an Offensive Lineman when BA said himself if you draft a Offensive Lineman you drafting him for the next coach!!
Y’all praise the hire and criticize every move the man makes!! SMH
And you are foolish for blaming Jason Licht for any of these selections, BA and Bowles are heavily consulted on these picks. It’s a team effort.
Go Bucs and fu*k all you bum azz troll azz fans.
April 27th, 2019 at 5:30 pm
Find another team to root for
April 27th, 2019 at 5:31 pm
This draft is UFB. I was willing to give Licht a pass up until now. I’m somewhat ok with first three round (disappointing) but wow the last picks are not cool. Who in the world drafts a K with depression issue? Much less the 2nd Arroyo debacle. If everyone pans out this year, great – but if his picks flame out, there needs to be a change. As in FIRED
April 27th, 2019 at 5:34 pm
Jarhead go f$&ck yourself bro. Don’t need nobody telling people to root for another team because they don’t share your opinion you ignorant f(&ck.
BA also said he wanted DJax, Hump, and Kwon too. I guess you’ll believe everything BA says huh?
April 27th, 2019 at 5:35 pm
Fans on this site make me laugh. This team has so many needs that the draft can’t fill all the holes so it’s best to complain about the positions we didn’t upgrade. I know that finishing last as long as we have doesn’t inspire confidence but I had no idea to be a Buc fan you had to be a massive whiner and pessimist.
April 27th, 2019 at 5:37 pm
It’s not just about filling needs but correctly prioritizing your needs. Unless GMC is staying our D-Line is anything but impressive, our RT is 6’8 and can’t bend his knees or run block, and we don’t have a competent starting RG at all. Did we need corners? Yes, of course, but is corner more of a priority than the trenches? Not on good teams
April 27th, 2019 at 5:43 pm
We lost 7 games last season by 7 points and under. Improving our defense we could have realistically gone 8-8 last year. Drafting what the coaching staff believed needed the biggest infusion of talent would be a good place to start to improve the defense.
April 27th, 2019 at 5:43 pm
These aren’t real Buc fans. Some real whine asses that haven’t got any clue
April 27th, 2019 at 5:46 pm
BucsBandit Says:
April 27th, 2019 at 5:28 pm
THE TANK FOR TUA IS ON!
It’s all one big strategy.
Keep on dreaming little buddy! You’re so cute with your cluelessness.
April 27th, 2019 at 5:49 pm
Not counting last year…..how many 5,6,7th round players are still on the team.
The chances are better for UDFA…..
I really don’t care if we take a gamble from the 5th round on……
We absolutely must hit on rounds 1 & 2…..
April 27th, 2019 at 5:49 pm
Clearly ba has never seen the drive killing walking penalty machine Dotson attempt to play rt…. dotson can’t blick anyone and when he does attempt to nlock he’s 50 50 on penalties. we really dont know what we have at rg because Dotson is beyond horrible…
4-12 and another glazer coveted basement title guranteed
April 27th, 2019 at 5:52 pm
This draft screams three things to me… we drafted for speed and potential…we drafted for leadership… we drafted for character. I guess Bowles and Arians figure they can coach up and develop the rest.
April 27th, 2019 at 5:56 pm
“R.O. Says:
April 27th, 2019 at 5:17 pm
Really worried we didn’t pick up a 5th, 6th, 7th rd OL?”
Couldn’t agree more with this RO.
Our kicking situation is average to below average at best. The odds of getting a 5th, 6th round or beyond O lineman that steps in and starts is not high.
However, if this kid is as good as the Bucs think he may be, this is a starter for the next couple of years in an area we struggle with. Relax everyone you are over reacting due to the stupid move of picking local hero Aguayo in the freakin 2nd round. That was a mistake. This is a logical chance to improve the team.
April 27th, 2019 at 6:02 pm
Funny how some posters think that Jason Licht is being given orders by coaches on who to select in the draft. Wasn’t it Lovie that everyone blamed for Licht’s bad moves the first few years nevermind the fact that his second draft with Lovie was his best and Mike Evans was his first and best pick overall. Wasn’t the awful 2016 NFL draft his first with Koetter? Howbout we just credit the guy getting paid to build the roster with the selections that are under his name.
I remember Lee saying someone wanted to blame the Glazers for the Aguayo pick and yet the kicker the Bucs just select Matt Gay as the highest kicker chosen since Roberto Aguayo? Anyone want to blame the Glazers for Gay’s pick as well? 😂
April 27th, 2019 at 6:02 pm
They had a minimum number of picks and too many holes to fill. They had to make up for all the mistakes Licht has made the past few years. This was a glaring indictment of Licht and he should be fired by the Glazer after watching him waste pick after pick in back to back years for the same positions. If Arians doesn’t think this line needs upgrading he would have to be blind. They simply didn’t have enough picks to address all the weak spots on this team.
April 27th, 2019 at 6:03 pm
Let’s hope that the reputation of Arians and Bowles will help us also pick up some diamond in the rough UDA’s….maybe two or three O linemen. This hunt for talent has much further to go. Just remember…many of the Packer O linemen weren’t high draft choices…but they have done a great job at developing them. Maybe we can do that here, now.
April 27th, 2019 at 6:03 pm
Just think about it, last year, we didn’t have any problem scoring points. If the defense would have been just bad, instead of horrible, we would have won 4 or 5 more games.
April 27th, 2019 at 6:03 pm
Hope people aren’t thinking there is some late round o lineman that can come in and beat out who’s here. No need to address the position just for the hell of it. Late round picks ain’t getting this team to the playoffs as I said it will be up to the guys already here to develop
April 27th, 2019 at 6:05 pm
More holes to fill their draft picks!!! That is exactly why we’re bitching !! This GM has had more than enough time to fill these holes. We are now drafting to compensate for the piss poor drafting of the past six years. The Cleveland freaking Browns in 2 years now have more of a talented roster then we do.
Come on guys take the pewter colored glasses off.
April 27th, 2019 at 6:13 pm
@ Texbuc, yeah and if the Bucs had gone 8-8, we’d still be stuck with dickhead dirk!
April 27th, 2019 at 6:13 pm
I think a big reason we drafted no guard is because Bruce knows it’s one of the easiest positions to fill. A lot of ways to find good guards. We aren’t desperate at that spot like fans wanna believe. We have decent start with two experienced, reliable vets and a raw 2nd year player that is a developing player………..Personally I would have rather see us draft a T…..even if just for future development.
Another position that’s easy to fill is RB. Might be why we drafted none of those…….No, you can’t find Barry Sanders on the streets but teams find good solid RBs every year through low investments.
April 27th, 2019 at 6:14 pm
Wait and see how many undrafted o linemen we sign.
April 27th, 2019 at 6:14 pm
JW screwed up bigtime last year beginning with his Arizona (what are we calling it now?) and earning a three game suspension.
That began all the drama with Fitzmagic…JW”s total meltdown climaxed with that abysmal performance in Cincy resulting in his benching.
JW is now past all of that and IMHO he regained a lot of confidence with his play the last six games. BA has anointed him as his QB another confidence builder. IF JW ups his game to the level of his talent…again IMHO I think he will…as does obviously BA…the offense will IMPROVE and score more points.
There’s a head start on winning some of those close games. Now if Bowles can improve the defense we are a playoff team.
It’s as simple as that which is why BA was excited to get this job.
April 27th, 2019 at 6:19 pm
ST truly chose to suck under Coach K’s (Keotter and Kazcor), so hopefully we have a ST coordinator along with these draft picks that will help with field position and not leave points off the board when we have to kick a FG from 40+ yards.
OL chose to suck under Warhop – we will find out if that continues, even with better coaching we could have chose to upgrade the talent
Running game chose to suck – was it coaching and play calling, was it the o-line, I repeat we could have chose to upgrade. I would have drafted the kid from OU Rodney Anderson before the kicker, why, because we do not know which part chose to suck. The Pats(Harris), Rams(Henderson) and Bengals (Anderson) chose the top RBs in this class and they already have solidified starters on their team.
April 27th, 2019 at 6:19 pm
“Find another team to root for”
I’m leaning towards the LA Rams who drafted very well this year on top of a pretty fair season last year.
LA’s GM picked Gump’s pocket by stealing the best RB (Henderson) in this year’s draft in exchange for nothing. The Ram’s took Jason’s 70th pick for the 94th and 99th, even though they had two lower 3rd round picks in their pocket. I’ll bet they’re still chuckling over that one. Like stealing candy from a baby.
The Rams traded back out of the 1st round for two 2nds, got 2 compensatory 3rd round picks, and fleeced the Bucs.
They managed to get safety Taylor Rapp (Grade A), RB Henderson (A), David Long CB (B), Bobby Evans T (B), Greg Gaines DT (B), and David Edwards T (A) from Wisconsin.
Ram’s GM Les Snead also acquired Donte Fowler (Edge) for a 3rd round pick and
CB Marcus Peters for a 2nd round pick. Total 6 brilliant trades. Total 2019 Draft Grade AAA+++
Are you Buc fans embarrassed yet, or a little pissed off ?
April 27th, 2019 at 6:20 pm
They’ll be bringing in OL vets that are let go in the next week or 2…
say
what will they do with McCoy now ?
April 27th, 2019 at 6:20 pm
BTW Joes and Ira – thanks for the quick updates on the drafts, first place I go for commentary on our picks
April 27th, 2019 at 6:23 pm
And in the End….The YUCS will suck Again.
5-11 here they come
Welcome to Sucksville, USA folks!!
April 27th, 2019 at 6:23 pm
Duke Johnson will be a Buc before this year is over unless ROJO plays like the comeback player of the year
April 27th, 2019 at 6:25 pm
Ine if the first statements BA made after signing on was “my guys looked at the film (oline coaches) and gave him the thumbs up. Nobody and I mean nobody was giving maximum effort for klueless. I think they will for BA. O.J said in his presser a few day ago “coach Arians resume speak for it self” that tells me guys are already buying into playing for him a lot harder than they might have for Klueless.
April 27th, 2019 at 6:27 pm
Phsst,pats win the Super Bowl every year with patch work Oline. H3ll even Russell Wilson get the hawks into the playoff with a trash oline. Olympus hasn’t fallen man. That b$&@ just constructed.
April 27th, 2019 at 6:28 pm
Those that think Licht doesn’t have the final say when drafting are delusional. The minute the GM starts looking weak is when the staff and players start walking all over him. You cannot get to that position by being a pushover. Licht made the picks based on advice from scouts and coaches. Not the other way around.
April 27th, 2019 at 6:31 pm
Favorite picks from the class. Jamel Dean and Terry Beckner. They faced adversity and kept fighting.
April 27th, 2019 at 6:33 pm
Don’t see how this team improved that much this offseason. Different year same needs. Stuck in the basement.
April 27th, 2019 at 6:34 pm
I think less than 40 offensive lineman taken this whole draft. The GM’s as a whole said that this draft sucked for the offensive line.
Arizona was said to need an OL and with 11 picks took a center.
Denver need an OL and did not take one.
Detroit needed OL and with 9 picks did not take one.
Indy needed OL help and waited till 7th round to take one.
KC needed OL help and also waited till 7th round.
April 27th, 2019 at 6:36 pm
They have Jameis Winston on high alert
It’s a make or break year for him
And the Bucs are setting him up for failure
They lost DJAX and Hump
Their running game stinks like a outhouse
Their O-Line is non- existence
Maybe Jameis should be evaluating the Yucs
April 27th, 2019 at 6:37 pm
JimmyJack- Not desperate at guard? So if guard is so easy to fill why did we go all last season without a competent one. Who all of a sudden became a solid starter because it’s the same guys.
Our RBs were getting destroyed in the backfield and Rojo managed more YAC than total yards, WTF?
Sorry if guards are so easy to find why did the Golts invest the 5th overall pick in one last year?
O lineman in general are harder to find anymore because of the college game and that has been said by some great minds.
If anything it’s way easier to find a press corner than it is a good Olineman.
April 27th, 2019 at 6:39 pm
Nobody actually really knows who has the final say on the picks…..but simple logic would indicate that BA….with the strong input from Bowles would be it.
Don’t kid yourself……there have been many figureheads as GMs in the NFL and they are happy to give way to coaches who have the power.
Licht owes his job to BA saying yes…..
BA & Bowles just made up for some of Licht’s mistakes with the DBs….
Also, we were very, very weak there……one injury and we would have been toast.
April 27th, 2019 at 6:41 pm
I do agree that unless you are drafting Oline in the first two rounds….it is really not quite worth it.
We will see if Cappa starts next year……Edwards & Pamphile didn’t work out.
We can probably get by with who we have…..
Now….finding someone to replace the high Jensen salary would be good for next year.
April 27th, 2019 at 6:43 pm
The only pick they liked was Miller from Iowa and the DT from Mizzou because every other pick got a B or lower !! They bashed the kicker pick and sadly not shocked they waisted a 5th for competition for Cairo.. I still can’t believe they didn’t draft Allen, but we are the only franchise that doesn’t have money to pay the Rookies?? After 19 years we decided not to renew 4 stadium club seats because this sheet is horrible. I’m going to go out on a limb and say 5 wins, but maybe next year we won’t have Licht and the horrible uniforms
Let’s go 9 out of 11 in the cove !!! Go Rays
April 27th, 2019 at 6:43 pm
The Falcons drafted a Offensive Tackle and Offensive Guard in the 1st round. They know the value of O-Linemen. They know that Matt Ryan need time to get the ball to his offensive weapons!
April 27th, 2019 at 6:47 pm
tmaxcon Says:
Maybe not, but wanna bet he HAS seen that horrendously poorly coached defense?
I have a feeling that even if the O is similar to last season, we may be in for a real surprise with a radically different and improved defense.
And *THAT* is what this team really needs.
April 27th, 2019 at 6:52 pm
Many are whining but BA and Licht did exactly what they wanted in this draft; even down to the kicker…
April 27th, 2019 at 6:55 pm
Like BA said, the kicker is our offense, we can score more points with him and hopefully the team will not be playing from 20 points down each game
April 27th, 2019 at 6:56 pm
Alaskan……You ask why we went all year with poor guard play? I would also ask why Benechot was the guy they trusted to start at that position?…….He had been on the team for years before his promotion. Why did they think he was a starter at all?
I would also ask we we have not developed one singular OL player in the past 3 years? That’s zero Gs zero C’s and zero tackles. Why?
I also would ask why we had many OL playing the wrong positions? Why does our team not know which positions their players are?
All of these are not hard things to get right just like finding Guards. But somehow the Bucs keep failing at them every year…..consistently.
The common denominator is coaching buddy…….. These things are not questions your hear about solid well coached teams. And if they become questions they get answered and fixed quickly. They don’t linger for a entire 3 years consecutively.
It’s why the Eagles lost their LT and still won a SB. & It’s why the Redskins lost 8 OL players and still managed to whip our asses on our own grass.
April 27th, 2019 at 6:57 pm
OneBuc55
Exactly, I seen this coming a few months ago.
April 27th, 2019 at 6:58 pm
AWESOME draft and GREAT free agency, can’t wait for October. Tickets will be $5 each, free parking at the stadium and a coupon for a free car wash just for showing up and making it to half time. Will the suffering ever STOP ?????
April 27th, 2019 at 7:01 pm
I’d also ask why Dirk inherited 2 promising 2nd year players(Marpet & D.Smith) and both of them regressed?
Good coaching gets players to show max potential.
I literally cannot think of one compliment I could give to Dirk and the staff concerning his OL. 100% failure with every player they touched.
The OL should benefit big time from a new HC.
April 27th, 2019 at 7:04 pm
RG worries me. Period. I’m okay, not great, but okay with Jensen. LT could be better sure…but no RG hurts the running game. And no depth to boot.
April 27th, 2019 at 7:05 pm
Joe, if you trust BA than you should really get over the Devin White pick.
April 27th, 2019 at 7:06 pm
Coin this phrase: The Bucs are on a bridge to rebuilding.
They can’t afford to rebuild now, and please don’t let the fans know. But that is what this is.
April 27th, 2019 at 7:06 pm
If the coaching was so bad why do we need to draft young DBs to replace our already young DBs? If it was coaching and poor scheme which I think most of us believe it was, why not see how they develop this year?
Cappa was given opportunities to supplant Benenoch but could not get the job done, why will it be different this year.
I’m with you man, coaching was terrible but it was terrible across the board, not just at RG.
This team is being “reloaded “ backwards. No quality trench players in a draft full of them.
April 27th, 2019 at 7:08 pm
So when Jameis plays like garbage, no one better be blaming the OL. Since the OL is “just fine.”
April 27th, 2019 at 7:14 pm
wow just wow
I like White but everybody else was over drafted.
Jason has to go man. I am so sick of my team sucking
April 27th, 2019 at 7:16 pm
I’m posting my version of the Bucs 2019 draft
1. DT Ed Oliver
2. OT Dalton Risner
3. DE Jaylon Ferguson (No Trade)
4. OG Dru Samia
5. OLB Vosean Joseph
6. WR Scott Miller ( Who they picked)
7. Terry Beckner Jr ( Who they picked)
This is my 2019 fantasy draft for the Bucs
April 27th, 2019 at 7:17 pm
University of Charleston DE Kahzin Daniels
April 27th, 2019 at 7:18 pm
Dave the OL has always been fine for Jamie’s.
We’ve always had decent pass pro it’s the runblock that’s been atrocious.
Some of the game planning I didn’t like and heard Bruce talk today and he mentioned Winston getting rid of the ball quicker which was music to my ears.
Of all the upgrades thus team needs QB is the biggest. The QB position needs to play bette Period
April 27th, 2019 at 7:19 pm
Aahh yes, the post-draft frenzy has begun. Love the title BTW Joe … “OLine is Fine”. But no, don’t put it on Arians … “Arians may have said the O-line needed upgrades, but what did he do about it? A whole lot of nothing”.
We didn’t draft any RBs either. Does that mean BA’s satisfied with our stable of RBs? Seriously doubt it. Lose Barber to an injury for any period of time and now our lead dog is Ellington? Or would it be RoJo? Or Wilson? Or Ogunbowale? Ya right, our running game is just fine. Sure, we’re all buying into that. Not.
I think the real situation here is much more complex than many are making it out to be. On one hand, BA & his staff aren’t REALLY expecting to win the Super Bowl this year. New staff, new offensive & defensive systems, LOTS of new players, some obvious unfilled starting holes, marginal depth … somehow that doesn’t scream SUPER BOWL to me. What it does scream is REBUILDING, despite what BA says. How many wins we get IMO will be a function of how fast this staff can get this team to gel and play solid football. I’m convinced that they came in knowing that FIXING THE BUCS isn’t a 1-year adventure. (You’d have to be delusional to think otherwise IMO).
I also think they prioritized everything towards IMPROVING THE DEFENSE. That’s the area where even a small amount of growth could reap the biggest rewards. A number of players who we had last year simply didn’t fit what Todd Bowles is wanting to do. He started from the back-end and worked his way forward. (I know Joe, totally the opposite from what you wanted, but he is getting paid to be our DC). The Secondary takes the longest to GROW on defense IMO, then the LBs, then the DLine. Maybe I’m wrong, but that’s what I’ve seen and am seeing now.
One more factor comes into play though: We’re a LOOONG way from creating a 53-man roster. I wouldn’t be a bit surprised to see us CUT several guys who we thought would be here this year, and to ADD several players who’ll end up in starting roles. RG & RB come to mind for starters. It’s still a WORK IN PROGRESS. LOTS can still happen.
April 27th, 2019 at 7:20 pm
OneBuc55 Says:
April 27th, 2019 at 6:52 pm
Many are whining but BA and Licht did exactly what they wanted in this draft; even down to the kicker…
Absolutely correct…..watch Licht’s Day 3 presser……..He talked about how involved BA was with the Kicker…..saying his son was a kicker etc….>BA drove the decision on that pick….not Licht.
April 27th, 2019 at 7:21 pm
What excludes the O-line from being a victim of bad coaching? You can’t assume your going to get the same results from the same roster when the coaching has changed. Otherwise, there would never be a coaching change and only roster turnovers. The Bucs have hired and fired TWO piss poor coaching staffs that have been relieved of their duties for not getting the expected potential out of players. I’m going to reserve judgment on the positions that “lack talent” until I see the results under Bruce Arians. This year will show what the REAL problem has been COACHING all along!!!
April 27th, 2019 at 7:23 pm
Lakeland … Key word is F-A-N-T-A-S-Y draft for the Bucs.
April 27th, 2019 at 7:25 pm
Bandit
I’m still waiting for the Bucs to draft that QB you were talking about…
April 27th, 2019 at 7:25 pm
Lakeland. Where was Bunting on your Big Board?
April 27th, 2019 at 7:25 pm
I can tell you this….our Oline may not be better….our Dline man not be better…our RBs may not be better….
But…our secondary will be better and our ST will be a lot better……
April 27th, 2019 at 7:29 pm
JimmyJack
If you look at Walterfootball mock draft. They had the Bucs picking Scott Bunting in the 3rd round. I thought he was a 3rd or 4th round talent.
April 27th, 2019 at 7:30 pm
If I went CB in the 2nd round. It would have been LSU Greedy Williams.
April 27th, 2019 at 7:31 pm
SK…Licht is weak… if he hadn’t gotten a guy like Arians in here, he would be sitting at home on the couch. He is lucky to get another chance, and can’t let it slip. His wagon is tied to Arians/ Bowles…and no doubt about it.
April 27th, 2019 at 7:32 pm
I meant Sean Bunting
April 27th, 2019 at 7:34 pm
Lakeland…word is that he doesn’t like to tackle, but doesn’t have the talent a guy like Deion had, who can totally cover or make picks with the occasional tackle. And since he was on the board the second day, and we already had good intel at LSU, as we drafted White, don’t you think they pretty will knew everything there was to know about Greedy?
April 27th, 2019 at 7:35 pm
“Kobe keeps telling you guys
A good GM needs a plan. And that plan is not year to year
GM Gump is year to year patchwork trying to build on the fly. It doesnt and cant work that way
Not only did Gump destroyed this franchise with Klueless but he is holding this franchise hostage for bringing in Arians which we cant fire for 2 years
BA is not the answer. Defense will be historically bad (5-11)
The answer is the General Manager who brings enough core players thru the draft to build a winning team
We need a total teardown and we need draftpicks. If Jw3 plays great (still be 5-11) we need to trade him for draftpicks and completely start over with a competent GM”
Kobe Faker
April 27th, 2019 at 7:35 pm
DR what do you think about the Bucs building their defense starting with the secondary?
It is a bummer they they are pretty much giving up on a few freshly drafted players from 2017-18. That’s what happens why you start a new regime.
April 27th, 2019 at 7:40 pm
This draft don’t make sense to me
April 27th, 2019 at 7:42 pm
With the amount of funds allocated to the O-Line…they should be above average. Licht Weight of course overrates them ( his picks/FA Jensen ) and pays them a premium. The Sweezy Swindle is especially dubious when he finally can play at a reasonable rate, he was cut and thrived in Seattle.
April 27th, 2019 at 7:45 pm
The understandable disappointment with Licht and some of his mistakes cause most fans to blame him for everything….he is the new GMC (scapegoat)…….and much of it is deserved….
But….if these picks don’t work out….I’m blaming Bowles & BA…..
However, I’m not one of those who thinks BA can turn this ship around in one year…..I think two will do it.
Sometimes you have to tear things down to build them back up the right way….I think that is what BA is doing..
He says he’s not rebuilding….but he is…..He says he doesn’t draft for need…but he does.
I believe in his leadership style and am confident he will be successful.
April 27th, 2019 at 7:46 pm
“Elite talent vs Bucs backup muckers
Look at the playoff teams
Suprior talent making explosive plays… You think our backup draft picks can make those plays?
When was the last time a team of grinders and backup talent win anything
Look at the conference chamionship teams talent and personnel. 6-10 all pros elite playmakers
The person involved in putting that 53 man group of talent is the KEY to winning…GM …not coaching lol…ask Belicheat and parcells …you need the players!
The only Goddamn way
Build thru the draft
While GMs are playing Chess our Gump is playing tiddley winks”
Kobe Faker
April 27th, 2019 at 7:47 pm
White was the right pick, so was Dean. After that WT actual F.
April 27th, 2019 at 7:49 pm
I’m just glad we have a new leader for our Defense. Dont know about y’all but I got big expectations for White.
That means McCoy has to go now…..Let this kid come in and let him establish the locker room.
This is a new era of Bucs football let White take over, clean……not fielding questions about the old fading Captain. We need oneessage in this locker room. McCoy needs to be a role player somewhere…..his leadership days were bad and they are done. That’s his destiny.
April 27th, 2019 at 7:49 pm
Who knows how this turns out but if these picks pan out we could have a pretty good defense. I mean we have JPP, Nassib, Shaq, Spence, on the outside and Vea, Goldston, Allen and Nelson on the down 3. Then in the secondary we have VH3, Davis, Bunting, Dean, Evans, Whitehead, Stewart and Edwards to make up a starting 5. We should be able to get good to really good play out of at least 5 from that group. Then in the linebacker room we have LVD, White, Buccannon, Minter and possibly Cithcy to work with in the middle. I mean for those of you saying we are not better I am not sure what to tell you as we have ADDED at least 5 contributors to our defense which is almost half the starters and frankly VH3 and Davis should both be better just with the scheme change. So if your being negative right now it is simple you are choosing to be a negative Nancy. You know just like the crybaby Joe.
April 27th, 2019 at 7:49 pm
Kobe,
What type of defense will the Bucs be running this season?
I haven’t been following them
April 27th, 2019 at 7:53 pm
That being said… I hope they all prove me wrong and this defense is amazing next year but I just don’t see it.
This draft means VH3, Stewart, Whitehead, Evans, Davis… one or more of these guys is going to be riding the bench this year. All day 1-2 picks and a 4th rounder.
So you are admitting you can’t draft DBs, so you draft more DBs.
April 27th, 2019 at 7:54 pm
“Hey lake
Did you see the 2nd round when carolina and buffalo traded up right in front of gumps nose and drafted ford and little
Imo, bunting was not our original pick on our 2nd round pick
It was oline ford or little
Those 2 gms read gump like a book
Playing chess vs tiddly winks”
Kobe Faker
April 27th, 2019 at 7:55 pm
Kobe,
I like Carolina draft picks more than any team draft picks! I believe Carolina had the best draft.
April 27th, 2019 at 7:57 pm
“We want to play 3-4 BUT we still dont have the personnel
6-7 games (2 vs klueless)
Will drop 40 pts against our patchwork”
Kobe Faker
April 27th, 2019 at 7:57 pm
Bucs just signed a undrafted half blind Edge player.
April 27th, 2019 at 8:00 pm
I don’t understand why casual fans are so upset with the draft.
They got a real Alpha Stud at ILB.
They flooded a poor DBackfield with big, long guys with speed and toughness.
The got two tough DL’s, DE and DT.
And a kicker with an excellent leg.
Not sexy. But solid isn’t necessarily sexy.
And all that matters is how they help the team.
I’ll not pass judgement until, at minimum, we see them play IRL.
Coaching will be the difference next season, not the players that just got drafted.
April 27th, 2019 at 8:03 pm
Kobe,
Josh Allen was the best 3-4 OLB in the draft. I see a lot of Justin Houston in him.
April 27th, 2019 at 8:03 pm
“Car, atl, NO
Superior gms and scouting
Year after year acquiring core foundational players building with foresight
Talent on all levels
Carolina picking QB Grier?…always thinking of the future and injuries
QB grier will be starter in 2 years”
Kobe Faker
April 27th, 2019 at 8:06 pm
Well…no mystery here on our first UDFA signings……here you go, Joe!!!
Just what you wanted…..G, C & DE……..
Zack Bailey, G, South Carolina
Kahzin Daniels, DE, University of Charleston
Nate Trewyn, C, University of Wisconsin (Whitewater)
April 27th, 2019 at 8:09 pm
Jason Licht has a better history with UDFA than draft picks
April 27th, 2019 at 8:09 pm
Fireeeee Licht! Line sucks and not one pick! Horrible. Boo this man! Booooooooooo
April 27th, 2019 at 8:11 pm
Scam Puketon out of the league soon. Go get the starting job steroid using Will!
April 27th, 2019 at 8:11 pm
As Defense (and others) said, it’s looking like a re-build year. BUT, this will also be a make-it-or-break-it year for Winston. This is why the Bucs continue to be the most interesting team in football…
April 27th, 2019 at 8:14 pm
Cobra. I think the really tough draft pick for fans to see was CB. Bunting…..The first round saw a extremely low number of CBs taken. When we picked Bunting at the top of the 2nd we we’re in a prime position to grab a CB(that’s why there was a run on CBs right after our pick.
The Bucs may have liked the Temple CB better but they had their pick of the litter for 2nd round CBs. This is one of those picks that makes you look real stupid if it busts.
Even though there’s a reason they drafted him it’s nerve-racking since nobody knows what it is.
April 27th, 2019 at 8:15 pm
Jameis Almighty,
Jameis Winston will take the blame this season for the losing. Even though, he has no run game, patched up O-Line. He lost his slot receiver, he lost DJAX, the guy that stretches the field. He has a new HC, a new OC. His 3rd HC in 5 years, his 3rd OC in 5 years.
April 27th, 2019 at 8:18 pm
JimmyJack … Todd Bowles is building his defense IMO based on how long it’ll take his staff to get the various position groups to grow & develop the best chemistry. Putting a bunch of rookies out there in the Secondary like we did last year is the kiss of death … exactly like we all saw. Remember how Ronde said it took him 3 years (at least) to get his act together? Nothing’s changed. One very talented rookie CB can fit into an experienced Secondary IMO (we’ve all seen that before). But last year we were playing 2 young Safeties (Evans & Whitehead), plus Davis at 1 outside corner, plus a variety of other young CBs at nickel. Grimes was the only real veteran out there, and IMO he was the biggest disappointment of all. Personally I’m looking forward to watching it grow.
And BTW JimmyJack, I now have doubts that GMC is going anywhere. The 7th Rnd DT is a throw-away (like Stevie T?) and we NEED 3 DTs. When we drafted DE Nelson, I think that signaled that Gholston’s days are numbered & that we’ll probably be keeping GMC, at least for this year.
I think we’ll see a LOT of defensive scheming that we’ve never seen before. Lots of man-to-man, lots of blitzing from non-traditional places. DEs/OLBs dropping into coverage. Who knows, maybe Bowles will even bring back some of Schiano’s stunting. This defense will get burned at times because they’re so young, but I’m convinced it’ll be unpredictable as he11.
April 27th, 2019 at 8:20 pm
“JJ
Imo, Bunting was not Jasons top pick in the 2nd
I would love if Joe could ask licht if his original plan was oline Ford or Little
2 teams just traded up right in front of us like that? They knew exactly who gump wanted”
Kobe Faker
April 27th, 2019 at 8:22 pm
What is it about The ATRAIN that Joe dislikes so much
[Nothing at all. — Joe]
April 27th, 2019 at 8:22 pm
Ndog … Excellent 7:49 post. Agree with ya that this defense should improve this year. Now to put in the hard work to make that happen. I tend to think that BA will make sure that happens.
April 27th, 2019 at 8:23 pm
Kobe,
I read that teams were trying to trade up, but Licht wanted Bunting and wouldn’t trade the pick.
April 27th, 2019 at 8:30 pm
I think the pick that could have assuaged Joe & most fans was the last pick in round 3….(the extra pick)
While Mike Edwards may end up being a great Buc……if that pick had gone for a RB or an OG…..the entire perception of our draft would have changed.
What we have with this draft is unmet expectations…….fans dealing not only with players they wanted we didn’t pick….but positions of perceived need we didn’t fill.
Yes….that pick of a Safety in round 3….was, for me, the most surprising.
April 27th, 2019 at 8:31 pm
Yea Alaskan,
To propose that the Bucs couldn’t of found a solution better at guard than Caleb Bennoch is ridiculous, even midseason. Bennoch was literally the worst NFL guard last season. Plenty of supplemental players that could’ve stepped in and filled that role in a decent way.
Someone like ummm…..I don’t know, Kevin Pamphile? Who was the ideal 6th man rotational lineman who I still have no idea why we got rid of.
But loser Jason Licht has had a full 16 game season, a free agency season and a draft to address that position yet were still stuck with THE WORST GUARD IN THE NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE. Jason Licht really is a pathetic GM he shows it time and time again.
April 27th, 2019 at 8:31 pm
When teams jump up they do it in front of the team they are competing against who wants that exact player (99%)
This was gumps draft board
1st white
2nd ford or little
3rd bunting (walter cambell)
The 2 teams messed with gumps little brain and draftboard
Like ba said this board was set weeks ago and nothing was going to change it must
Gump got played on his 2 lineman he wanted on the 2nd round and just moved bunting up. Lol”
Kobe Faker
April 27th, 2019 at 8:31 pm
DR The big part of this draft is that the secondary just got pounded with talent and now need to show results……..I want INTs I want enzone coverage and gosline stops……….they better defend the sidelines.
And if Bowles can use these guy crashing down and blitzing I wanna see it and it better be good. Good coaching could easily take all the young talent we have and turn it into a formidable secondary.
April 27th, 2019 at 8:33 pm
Not sure how this draft improves the team at all. We got 1 starter, a kicker, and the rest are all projects that may never start.
April 27th, 2019 at 8:36 pm
Maybe they did Kobe but Licht had a top 3rd round choice and took Bunting? Licht surely had to know that somebody else was gonna take him.
The question is why?
April 27th, 2019 at 8:36 pm
Last year the fans were saying that Licht had a good draft, but the coaches couldn’t develop the DBs.
Now they are saying that the new coaches want better talent in the secondary. This don’t make sense
April 27th, 2019 at 8:42 pm
“I think the only way to save this season is
Ba and Gump has to demand the glazers to allow them to restructure contracts to have spending money to acquire vets
We need 3-4 vets in this roster because it still has too many holes”
Kobe Faker
April 27th, 2019 at 8:42 pm
We got a kicker with serious depression issues that can only get worse playing for the Bucs and a DE that is blind in one eye. It’s a Bucs life.
April 27th, 2019 at 8:43 pm
NYG picked a QB right after we drafted White. Somebody had to be trying to trade ahead of new york. That’s means Licht turned down trade offers for White. My guess is While was the #1 or 2 player on their Big Board which is very exciting…….It’s same as owning a #2 overall draft choice!!!
GO BUCS!!!!
Get good first then you can get great.
April 27th, 2019 at 8:45 pm
@Lakeland
Joe was of the opinion that the Buc coaches couldn’t develop the CBs…..perhaps they just weren’t good enough….not fast enough…..
Bowles wanted players that can play well in his system….so, it’s a redo.
Bowles drafted players this year to make up for Licht & Mike Smith’s players.
April 27th, 2019 at 8:46 pm
The “big three” of this draft was a lie. Bet only one of them made it to the Bucs top 3.
April 27th, 2019 at 8:46 pm
Lakeland: Licht actually did say something about staying pat at 39 despite offers to move up. Joe might have mentioned it in one of the day two threads. BTW: you are right about the ATL getting help on their OL but Falcon fans were pretty unhappy with those choices and the ATL only selected a mediocre CB in round 4 and a project DL from The College of Charleston….. The ATL will put up points but get an injury or 2 on that D and they will be as bad if not worse than they were last year and Arthur Blank fired the entire staff…. Its almost like the Falcons when totally 180 of the Bucs and neglected their needs on D and instead draft a G very high in round one though they just signed 2 in free agency; is Dirk having a negative effect on the ATL war room????? Over-Under on Bucs-ATL should probably be around 75 points….
Anyhow I do not get why the Bucs simply did not get any help on the OL or RB and go for a kicker in round 5 when either position mentioned had talent available….. It’s like a combo of “Groundhog Day” and Deliverance for me on this draft weekend. Licht continues to make mind boggling picks over and over again while Buc fans must feel like Ned Beatty in that movie I mentioned where he, John Voight and Burt Reynolds run into a couple of Big Orange alumni while on a canoe trip because year after year it seems like the Buc fans get shafted time and time again….. Frustrating unless it actually translates into wins which Vegas thinks will be at about 6 for 2019……..
April 27th, 2019 at 8:47 pm
@Defense Rules: Rinde Barber had to play in the Tampa 2, a very complex piece of machinery.
Playing aggressive CB play at the LoS relies less on brains for the scheme, than on speed, talent and will.
I’ll wait to pass judgement.
April 27th, 2019 at 8:50 pm
Tampabaybucfan
Last year I was roasted after the draft. When I mention the Bucs need more speed in the secondary.
April 27th, 2019 at 8:53 pm
Yo ho yo ho a buccaneers life for me! 🏴☠️
April 27th, 2019 at 8:53 pm
“Bowles had a worse defense than our Yucs last year and now he knows what this team needs after watching them in underwear
Last year defense suks but this years secondary picks dont look hot
COACHES CANT BE GMs
*Bellicheat is only allowed
Ba/bowles will never win here if they are going to pick the groceries.
Need a separation of powers
Only way this franchise will ever win again is to bring a competent GM”
Kobe Faker
April 27th, 2019 at 8:53 pm
UDFA Signings
G Zack Bailey – South Carolina
RB Bruce Anderson – North Dakota State
DE Kahzin Daniels – Charleston
WR DaMarkus Lodge – Ole Miss
TE Isaiah Searight – Fordham
WR Contrelle Simpson – Richmond
S Lukas Denis – Boston College
WR Malik Taylor – Ferris State
April 27th, 2019 at 8:54 pm
Are you watching the fight
Sato
That was miagi
Our picks look Ga-
April 27th, 2019 at 8:55 pm
Last name
Ga-
April 27th, 2019 at 8:55 pm
“Kobe is out!
See you guys in a couple of months at training camp”
Shaman Kobe Faker
April 27th, 2019 at 8:56 pm
Dude
Our kicker just said he was good
April 27th, 2019 at 8:56 pm
Peace Kobe
April 27th, 2019 at 8:58 pm
Now it’s time for my repost
LakeLand Says:
April 30th, 2018 at 10:21 am
I thought the pick would be LSU CB Donte Jackson or Isaiah Oliver. MJ Stewart is another slow CB, and so is Carlton Davis. I thought they were going with the speedy Jackson. I also thought they were going with the speedy Derwin James at SS. But they went with another slow guy at SS. It looks like the Bucs want the slow guys who can hit, instead of getting faster in the secondary.
Derwin James | 4.47 40 yard dash
Donte Jackson | 4.32 40 yard dash
So the Falcons take Oliver and Carolina take Jackson
April 27th, 2019 at 9:05 pm
That’s ok Lakeland. We fixed it this year and took Bunting.
April 27th, 2019 at 9:07 pm
Seriously man LUVMYBUCS can do a better job as GM.
April 27th, 2019 at 9:08 pm
LakeLand Says:
April 27th, 2019 at 8:50 pm
Tampabaybucfan
Last year I was roasted after the draft. When I mention the Bucs need more speed in the secondary.
I was roasted also….I criticized the MJ Stewart pick and questioned why on earth Licht chose him BEFORE Carlton Davis…..didn’t make any sense.
I hope MJ makes it at Safety….I never root against a Buc player…..always want them to succeed….but if they don’t, cut them…..that’s business.
April 27th, 2019 at 9:09 pm
Seems a large number of people have this misguided notion that if a player hasn’t done anything as a rookie he’ll never improve and needs to be replaced the next year. I won’t say how stupid that sounds just read it and scold yourself. Benenoch was the worst guard I ever seen in my life yet was being played out of position, these guys will get a chance to prove themselves under the new coach as they should because it’s kinda crazy to think a 4 th or 5 th rounder would come in and steal a starting job
April 27th, 2019 at 9:12 pm
I am ecstatic about the Devin White pick……I think he will be a great Buc.
I like the Sean Bunting pick….
Something tells me we found our kicker (fingers crossed)
The jury is out on the others…..will reserve judgement.
We may have something with Scotty
April 27th, 2019 at 9:12 pm
If speed is your thing.
Devin White | 4.57
Sean Bunting | 4.42
Jamal Dean | 4.30
Mike Edwards | 4.53
Scotty Miller | 4.39
April 27th, 2019 at 9:14 pm
Gloom and doom…. could we have a rookie mini camp before everyone declares the sky is falling. Most of you go from so called experts opinions. I too question some of the picks but I have no paid scouts looking at people. Time will tell.
April 27th, 2019 at 9:15 pm
Devin White 4.42
April 27th, 2019 at 9:16 pm
Now up to 12 undrafted rookies signings with Bucs: Per Greg Auman
QB Nick Fitzgerald
ATH David Pindell
RB Bruce Anderson
WR Malik Taylor
WR Cortrelle Simpson
WR DaMarkus Lodge
TE Isaiah Searight
C Nate Trewyn
G Zack Bailey
DE Kahzin Daniels
S Lukas Denis
LS Dan Godsil
April 27th, 2019 at 9:16 pm
Lakeland
Your draft was extremely similar to my wishes!! Our drafts with Licht haven’t made much sense to me either except for some first rounders… Gump seems to be a nice guy and all but DAMN he sucks at the draft!!! BTW I was born and raised in Lakeland… I’ve got many friends there that are passionate Buc fans..
April 27th, 2019 at 9:18 pm
Thanks, TBFan! I used a bad source for White I guess. (A quickie search online.)
If speed is your thing.
Devin White | 4.42
Sean Bunting | 4.42
Jamal Dean | 4.30
Mike Edwards | 4.53
Scotty Miller | 4.39
April 27th, 2019 at 9:20 pm
Scotty Miller 4.30 at his Pro Day….
April 27th, 2019 at 9:21 pm
Not there yet Says:
April 27th, 2019 at 9:09 pm
Seems a large number of people have this misguided notion that if a player hasn’t done anything as a rookie he’ll never improve
I guess they are NOT THERE YET!!!
April 27th, 2019 at 9:26 pm
TBUC North Carolina
Where in NC?…..I’m in Wilmington
April 27th, 2019 at 9:28 pm
This team just basically spent an entire draft on defense.
This draft is telling us that a key focus is on the secondary and we should look for major improvement in that area…….BTW a Top 5 MLB is expected to help immensely in the coverage game.
April 27th, 2019 at 9:28 pm
Love Wilmington!! Travel there for business every quarter!! I live in Denver NC. West side of Lake Norman… bout 30 minutes NW of Charlotte
April 27th, 2019 at 9:30 pm
Neither Brooks nor Sapp looked spectacular in their rookie seasons.
Some people are great their first year and never look back. Some look great for one year and then flop. Some take two, three or more years to emerge. No one can predict for most individuals.
This is why people are always saying that it takes at least three years to judge a draft for any team.
April 27th, 2019 at 9:33 pm
TBUC North Carolina
Lived in Charlotte a while back…..moved there from Tampa……
I liked the Panthers as my second team until they were placed in our Division…..no more!!!
April 27th, 2019 at 9:34 pm
TampabayBucfan most can’t comprehend the fundamental difference between a 3/4 and 4/3. Don’t waste your time bro😊.
April 27th, 2019 at 9:35 pm
Good job Jason Licht,you nailed it..
April 27th, 2019 at 9:36 pm
Has to be a fantastic draft class considering the number of people who feel otherwise. That’s all I need to know.
April 27th, 2019 at 9:36 pm
SenileSenior
They only won 5 playoff games and none without sapp comparing players to a failed past is laughable and is what low standard bucfan does best…. sapp and selmon only true bucs legends 55 is just a under sized has benn sapp carried and a man who couldn’t beat vince young at jeopardy or scrabble…
April 27th, 2019 at 9:37 pm
Tampabaybucfan
The division thing makes being any sort of being a Panther fan IMPOSSIBLE!! And of course Cam “computer thief” Newton would make it impossible even if they were in the AFC… Love McCaffrey though
April 27th, 2019 at 9:38 pm
Nighty-night time for me….
Spent all day on the boat….too much sun…..too much beer…..too many cigars….
One parting piece of advice……Get over it!!! And root for all of these new players to succeed….these last couple of days are the best of their young lives…..they’ve worked hard to get here to pursue their dreams. They are now Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
April 27th, 2019 at 9:40 pm
Never Ever too many Cigars!!!
April 27th, 2019 at 9:41 pm
Come on joe get with it low standard bucfan needs the most important post of all, the list of udfa signings they believe will be in hall of fame in two years or two good plays which ever comes first… no one gets excited for udfa and other teams garbage cuts like a bucfan
April 27th, 2019 at 9:42 pm
Cobraboy … I’ll wait to pass judgment too, although the number of Secondary players taken by the Bucs, last year & this year combined, blows my mind. My guess is that we’ll probably keep 24 defensive players in a 3-4 hybrid defense … 9 DLine/OLBs, 5 LBs, 6 CBs, 4 Safeties would be my estimate. (Plus another 26 on offense & 3 on S/Ts). With a Secondary totaling 10 players, it’ll be VERY young & inexperienced (right now we have 14 total CBs & Safeties on the roster).
All I was saying Cobraboy is that it takes time to ‘grow’ a mature CB IMO. Expecting some of these youngsters to hang with the likes of Julio Jones & some of the top WRs/TEs/RBs we’ve got just in our division for any period of time is expecting a LOT. I’m much more in favor of press & man-coverage than I am of ‘zone’ (especially the way it’s been played here), but that still takes a very skilled Secondary, all working together, to pull it off.
April 27th, 2019 at 9:46 pm
NOS the toughest when thinking about a 3-4 defense is the Edge position.
We drafted heavy on defense but went light on DL/Edge……. The expectations are high for the secondary but the Front 7 leaves a lot to be desired……….not to mention any good Front Line players we have are all transitioning to foriegn defense. The Front 7 is scary right now to say the best.
April 27th, 2019 at 9:47 pm
Bucs’s Draft – First Look:
Devin White – apparently a grand slam
Sean Bunting, Jamel Dean, Mike Edwards – if just one of the three emerges as an above average starter, then a home run
Matt Gay – we HAVE TO solve our kicking woes
Scotty Miller – a sleeper, a potential home run
Anthony Nelson, Terry Beckner Jr. – potential backups, rotational players
April 27th, 2019 at 9:48 pm
@JJ
That was as good analysis of our OL in 2018 as I’ve read. It was largely coaching and utilization and as you correctly pointed out we hadn’t even settled on who was going to play where at guard and frequently RT.
Another positive going into ’19 is not only coaches who can properly place players, teach them, and motivate, but the organic improvement that usually occurs when an OL gets to play together over multiple seasons. This line will be better.
LMAO…snark already about if JW fails we can’t blame the OL. That’s actually literally correct…IF JW fails…then it will be his fault…enough excuses already. If the OL fails and JW plays too much from his backside then it will be the OL failing not JW.
Last year JW was the 8th ranked QB and the OL was ranked 15th. They are not far apart and BOTH JW AND THE OL have plenty of blame to share!!!
I’ve never read so many guys who look for scapegoats to EXCUSE their favorites or to simply beat up if they make Licht the scapegoat because it’s still BA’s honeymoon.
TBBF is correct. This draft is on BA/Bowles/Licht in that order. Drafting is a collaborative process but in the end the buck has to stop somewhere and that would currently be BA…the final decider.
As TBBF pointed out there have been many occasions where the GM is more figurehead than guy in charge.
Rather than simply express this as my opinion let me lay out the facts and you can decide for yourself.
Lovie hired Licht…JL was Lovie’s handpicked GM. Who do we think was the FINAL decider in that case?
Lovie gets canned and Licht wins out and hires Koetter. Who do we believe had the balance of power at that point.
Licht gets on the thinnest ice possible…many thought he would be fired…but oh the Bucs want BA as the next coach. BA is wanted by more than just the Bucs and there is the contractual snag in Arizona. Licht solves all of that and get his good buddy to take on the losing Bucs.
What leverage did Licht have? He was halfway out the door already. What leverage did BA possess? Several other teams reportedly wanted him and compare his resume (W’s-L’s) to Lichts. So who do we believe the final “decider” is in this relationship.
So answer those questions for yourself and then try and figure out who deserves the praise/blame for this draft. BA? Licht?
April 27th, 2019 at 9:53 pm
This draft showed an incredible amount of (self?) confidence in the coaching
This draft has created an enormous amount of pressure for coaching alone to effectuate success.
This draft may also be full of players who simply won’t make the team unless they’re happy surprises in training camp and the preseason .. a higher-“risk-it” gamble, motivated by the slimness of cap space, and some confidence in veteran players becoming available in the post-draft and eventual roster-move free agent market.
But damn, they sure are saying coaching alone is gonna fix some pretty big problems.
April 27th, 2019 at 9:55 pm
The passrusherss on the Bucs right now includes JPP and that’s about it. Nassib is there but he needs to keep going strong which is hard in the he NFL……..after that we are down to no passrusherss. That’s a bad situation and passrusherss are a difficult position to find. This part of the plan makes little sense. I don’t care how good the secondary is. You better be able to pressure the QB. If not you lose.
April 27th, 2019 at 10:07 pm
THE EXCUSES are already beginning for Winston! LOLZ.
“Winston only made bad decisions & turnovers again in his 5th season in a row because of our bad O-Line!”
April 27th, 2019 at 10:09 pm
BucsBandit
I’m sure you know about excuses. i bet your husband has neen making excuses for you for years.
April 27th, 2019 at 10:09 pm
Tampa needs to do what Seattle did the year before and the year of finding Wilson….. thats bringing a ton of players in and out to see what you can get. With the amount of coaches we have starting push as many players in and out you can. Sign em, bring em in, evaluate em, and if the suck send em packing or if they’re good….. fill those holes. Bring em in by the bus loads and see how many holes you can fill with competition.
Overall draft…… seems like we’ve seen this before. I’m really interested in who really made the calls and what ideas they have for revamping a piss poor defense.
April 27th, 2019 at 10:22 pm
@ Defense Rules: agreed. But you gotta start somewhere.
I’m OK with throwing a lot of crap against the wall to see what sticks.
The last few years this team has suffered horrendous defense coaching. I mean, as bad as it can get.
I do not think it can get worse.
Onward and upward.
I’m anxious to see how this staff will run the team. So far, I am impressed. And I was also impressed with Arians in “All or Nothing.” I like his style.
April 27th, 2019 at 10:25 pm
Jarhead
Ba has also been talking up vh3bust yet they drafted 3 more secondary which destrorys you rational
April 27th, 2019 at 10:39 pm
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UPDATED: 2019 Bucs Undrafted Free Agent Tracker
By Matt Matera – Apr. 27, 201913
Even if all three days of the 2019 NFL draft is done, that hasn’t stopped the Bucs from adding new players.
Here is an undrafted free agent tracker for each player that has been reported to either sign with the Bucs or be invited for tryouts after the 2019 draft.
G Zack Bailey – South Carolina
RB Bruce Anderson – North Dakota State
DE Kahzin Daniels – Charleston
WR DaMarkus Lodge – Ole Miss
TE Isaiah Searight – Fordham
WR Contrelle Simpson – Richmond
S Lukas Denis – Boston College
WR Malik Taylor – Ferris State
LS Dan Godsil – Indiana
QB Nick Fitzgerald – Mississippi State
C Nate Trewyn – Wisconsin-Whitewater
QB David Pindell – UConn
P Mac Loudermilk – UCF
WR Anthony Johnson – Buffalo
April 27th, 2019 at 10:53 pm
“We got a kicker with serious depression issues that can only get worse playing for the Bucs and a DE that is blind in one eye.”
Don’t forget the CB with 3 bad knees amd the only 3 step kicker in all of football.
Happy Gilmour anyone?
April 27th, 2019 at 11:01 pm
Las Vegas odds are out and the over under on Buc’s draft picks that make the opening day roster is……….2 1/2.
I’m taking the under.
White and if they get a roster exemption for that disabled guy.
April 27th, 2019 at 11:03 pm
Fire Licht tonight!
April 27th, 2019 at 11:08 pm
Bucs had the second to worst draft of all 32 teams.
April 27th, 2019 at 11:20 pm
I really loved 2 of our picks. White and Edwards will both be studs. I think Bunting will be a good CB but I would’ve prefered Joejuan Williams. That pick hurt, but not as bad as the 5th round. Another damn kicker. He is good from distance so fingers crossed.
Nelson will be a solid rotational guy with potential to be a good DE in a 34 or as a RDE in a 43. The Dean pick confused me but I’m hoping Beckner can make the team as another big body in the middle.
Overall, We have 3 starters, 4 including the kicker possibly, and a couple of rotational guys. I think we could’ve done way better but if White, Edwards, and Bunting turn out to be starters then its not a bad hit/miss rate.
April 27th, 2019 at 11:44 pm
Call me crazy, but when you have a QB on his 5th yr option & SEA just reset the QB market @ $34M/yr…Why not take shot at trading for Rosen or drafting Drew Lock in the 2nd???
If you trade for one or draft the other, you stick him on the shelf for just in case. Rosen went for a 2nd (#62)in 2019 & a 5th in 2020??? Damn, Jason…Really? #39 would have both that & Bunting would have been there in the 3rd!
At min, Rosen’s remaining rookie deal (Minus bonus AZ already paid = only $6.2M over 4yrs) would have given the Bucs spending flexibility to extend JW3 if he performs well in 2019…& if not, there’d be a very cheap young 1st Rd talent waiting in the wings to take over. (Steve Young trade in reverse)
If not trade for Rosen… Why not draft Drew Lock there @ 39 – for the very same reasons they should have considered Rosen…(If JW3’s mental state isn’t firm enough to handle the ORG having a Back-up plan…Then maybe he’s not “the guy” to lead the team anyway!)
April 28th, 2019 at 12:21 am
Bucs invested in Cappa last year, they must still believe in him. In any case the offensive line wasn’t by any means bad last year. The issues in the running game I still mainly think came from scheme, and Dirk being ultra-predictable. Meanwhile in the passing game the o-line was more than good enough to help lead the league in passing – not bad at all.
I still would have invested at least one pick in an o-lineman, if for no other reason than for depth, but we shall see how it goes.
April 28th, 2019 at 3:02 am
This team is poorly ran. From the top on down.
April 28th, 2019 at 7:37 am
The bigger issue that Joe speaks of is the QB. We let will Grier go to a divisional opponent.
April 28th, 2019 at 7:38 am
Look at the positive guys: We are the first team in NFL history with a male cheer leader. He may also serve as our 4th string “tight end”. Pre game meal: TOSSED SALAD.
April 28th, 2019 at 9:29 am
I staunchly defended the White pick and insisted that with all the talent still on the board that the team was in a prime spot to still come away with a edge rusher, RB and OL depth. Obviously, I was wrong about the latter. Dead wrong.
The disturbing thing is that we seeming pulled out the roadmap for the ‘16-‘18 drafts and rode the auto-pilot. It unbelievable that Tampa media didn’t hammer Licht when he professed that he was the victim of draft circumstance/how the board broke. Seriously, Jason? It’s so disheartening to see other teams continuously outmaneuver us up, down and all around the draft. We inexplicably moved to the rock bottom of Rd 3 and watched quality OL prospects, RBs and DE/OLBs fall by the wayside.
Look, I see the holes in the secondary. I also see the repudiation of the previous regime’s DB preferences, but there has to be some quality control going on here—sadly there’s not.
That being said, is this draft a total loss? No. Not even close. Not yet. These kids deserve the opportunity to come in here and compete, to add depth and to meaningfully contribute to turn this around… Even the kicker.
April 28th, 2019 at 9:39 pm
At some point the Bucs need to be watching the waiver wire for a RG and RT. We can’t go into the season with our current starters on the right side. Dotson won’t last 16 games and Cappa is not starter material.