No Excuses From Jason Licht And Bucco Bruce Arians
April 25th, 2019
No. Joe doesn’t like the Devin White pick at No. 5 overall.
Sure, he might be an excellent player, but he’s going to have to damn near be a superhero to be worth that pick on a team in need of defensive linemen.
Joe never wants to hear this Bucs regime complain about a lacking pass rush. And don’t tell Joe that White is going to be blitzing over and over.
Why do pass rushers earn so much more than linebackers around the NFL? Why is their trade value better? Because they’re worth more. It’s just that simple.
The Bucs passed on elite — not average, elite — pass rush talent in favor of White. It’s painful for Joe right now.
Joe will root for White in a big way, but again, he’ll have to be nearly an instant Pro Bowler for this pick to be worth it. And he certainly has to be better than Kwon Alexander.
The pick fits the mold of Bucco Bruce Arians in some ways. He wants leaders and rah-rah guys at every position. And he believes so deeply in Todd Bowles’ ability to mold an extraordinary defense and coach guys up in a hurry, things Bowles didn’t do with the Jets.
Frustrated. That’s the word for Joe, frustrated.
You know what the Bucs are going to need in the draft next year? A pass rusher, one they could have landed tonight.
April 25th, 2019 at 9:22 pm
Hardy Nickerson didn’t turn the Bucs around… it was the pick of Eric Curry that did it!
April 25th, 2019 at 9:23 pm
All I can say is thank God you have any say in picks or we would still have Manziel
April 25th, 2019 at 9:24 pm
I feel your pain. Nobody better complain about pass rush unless we find someone in the 2-4 rounds that pans out.
April 25th, 2019 at 9:24 pm
you always need something, take the guarantee. white is that.
April 25th, 2019 at 9:25 pm
This draft is deep with pass rushers joe! New can get winovich or Ferguson in the 2nd!!
April 25th, 2019 at 9:25 pm
#trusttheprocess
April 25th, 2019 at 9:25 pm
Joe I get that we need a pash rush but I didn’t believe in Josh Allen and Devi White can be a way better Kwon. I like the pick and support the Bucs and believe they did the right thing. Trade up or get one in the second round
April 25th, 2019 at 9:25 pm
They drafted a good positional player. But it does very little to improve our chances against the pass happy teams we play 6 times in our division this year. The real question going forward is who does our new GM take with the first overall pick next draft?
April 25th, 2019 at 9:25 pm
Everyone has a Opinion and that’s great . But I live the pick ! 4 and six passed
April 25th, 2019 at 9:25 pm
Meanwhile drafting White was the worst kept secret ever.
April 25th, 2019 at 9:26 pm
Lindstrom or Allen rd 2. We got a be of the best football players in the whole draft, quit crying joelee
April 25th, 2019 at 9:27 pm
You lost draft credibility when you shoved Manziel articles down our throats leading up to that draft! White is a stud and much needed in our base defense!
April 25th, 2019 at 9:27 pm
If Dlinemen is the deepest position in the draft one would think there will be excellent options in the second and third rounds. Hopefully our scouts went deeper than the same 10 players that have been talked about ad nauseam.
April 25th, 2019 at 9:27 pm
Bucs led the NFL last season in QB pressure as a percentage of drop backs. There is a pass rush.
April 25th, 2019 at 9:27 pm
Grammar much people?
April 25th, 2019 at 9:27 pm
White can cover TE and Running backs plus blitzes what are you smoking ?
April 25th, 2019 at 9:27 pm
I hope Arians knows what he is doing. I wanted a DT or DE pass rusher too. I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. But am worried. I think White is a great player but not sure LB was our most dire need. We will see soon enough.
April 25th, 2019 at 9:27 pm
Cry me a river, this kid is going to be special. I also think White surprises us and gets after the QB too. I’m excited and pleased for the Bucs.
April 25th, 2019 at 9:27 pm
Dude is serious
April 25th, 2019 at 9:28 pm
Bud Licht is a moron….he should have been fired with Koetter….this is a travesty and he needs to be held responsible. He passed on a generational player in a position that is premier
April 25th, 2019 at 9:29 pm
Oh look Steelers moving up for Bush Imagine that
April 25th, 2019 at 9:29 pm
The same people complaining about value here, are the same people saying last year the Bucs needed to trade into the top 5 to take a guard. LOL!
April 25th, 2019 at 9:30 pm
Thank god we didn’t get that Devin!!! What are you wearing bro?!
April 25th, 2019 at 9:30 pm
Love the pick
April 25th, 2019 at 9:30 pm
First off you don’t jump on Licht. You people were up in arm happy “Bucco Bruce” took over this team. These are his decisions. Licht is nothing more than a lap dog again and will do what he is told. That is the only hope he has to save his job.
April 25th, 2019 at 9:30 pm
Settle down. It’s a deep draft of pass rushers . Not every hall a famer came from the first round . Why pass up the next Kuechle that dominates
April 25th, 2019 at 9:30 pm
How can you call someone elite that has never taken a snap at the pro level?
April 25th, 2019 at 9:30 pm
How stupid are you with a trade up by Pittsburg?
April 25th, 2019 at 9:30 pm
Dude. Grow up
You sound like a little girl
Can’t wait for devin white to make you uncomfortable
April 25th, 2019 at 9:31 pm
White’s presence in the middle should allow David to use his speed as a situational pass rusher from the OLB position. That’s how the 3-4 defense works. Just because he isn’t a pass rush doesn’t mean this puck doesn’t help our pass rush.
Get a grip, Joe.
April 25th, 2019 at 9:31 pm
I am an idiot, but if we restructured GMC with a new deal with a $10 signing bonus and $3.5 Million the first year, that would be a $5.5 mil cap hit this year and $2 mil for the next 4, correct? He would get all his 2019 money. Back load the contract.
April 25th, 2019 at 9:31 pm
Clueless Joe shows his lack of football IQ over and over
The DE position in a 3-4 is so much different than a 3-4
You are embarrassing yourself
April 25th, 2019 at 9:31 pm
To the Joe that writes all the DW hate…you don’t understand football at all do you???
A sideline to sideline ILB is who stops RBs and all the underneath routes, something that hurt us more than anything recently. Yes, I wanted Ed Oliver, but White will help our team out more.
Oh btw, DW was the #2 rated pass rusher in all of college football last year. He can blitz, cover, tackle, and is a true leader. His biggest problem is play action and our coaches can help that. We just got an unbelievable player, one who will have a way better career than Allen. Allen was a jag against top teams and if you watch his tape almost all of his plays are made against single blockers, which most of those guys won’t be playing in the NFL.
Please change jobs cause you are a joke. Todd McShay level of a joke…
April 25th, 2019 at 9:32 pm
We all knew Devin White was a pro bowler.
April 25th, 2019 at 9:32 pm
If one of the reasons people criticized McCoy is in his perceived lack of culture-leadership, Devin White could be considered an upgrade at a position of need *and* a part of the puzzle of culture-change on the defensive side of the ball.
I was fully expecting that kid to say “Josh Allen” or “Ed Oliver”, and this violation of conventional wisdom is worth some concern, but … there’s time for *other* acquisitions in this draft to help address some other needs .. and I hope we’ll see some boldness with subsequent picks to make that happen.
April 25th, 2019 at 9:33 pm
Damn Rod Munch. You made me spit my beer. That was funny!!! 😁
April 25th, 2019 at 9:35 pm
Just want to throw this out there. Pittsburgh needed Devin White in a bad way and now was forced to trade up for another LB. We got the best LB in the draft and can still find DL guys.
April 25th, 2019 at 9:35 pm
Well, ok then. This feels like it was driven by Bruce’s focus on NOW. Josh Allen — one of the Big 3 and arguably the most perfect fit for our new D scheme in the whole draft — falls to us at 5… and we’re surely going to need him for Pierre-Paul in 2020. It’s a higher value position (2X) but instead we fill the hole we have now. Still, we did get him for less than Steelers rumored to invest in trade up for Devin Bush. Maybe ILB is more important after all…?
April 25th, 2019 at 9:38 pm
941 Alaska – The Bucs could do that, but I doubt they’d do that since they’ve gone out of their way for over a decade to not have a bunch of dead cap over multiple years. Would be better to keep McCoy at his current deal and give a new deal to David to create cap space if they really need cap space and want to keep McCoy. The Bucs have plenty of ways to create cap room if they really want to do it, but they’ve setup the team to absorb Winston’s new deal next year and that’s really the most important thing – with no QB the team is getting rebuilt yet again.
April 25th, 2019 at 9:39 pm
Dear joe,
If the pick is so bad, why did all the professionals predict the Bucs drafting Devin White? Do you know something they don’t!?
April 25th, 2019 at 9:41 pm
Josh Allen is a speed guy. He’s not big or heavy enough to make a difference. The Jags just replaced Donte Fowler with Donte Fowler.
April 25th, 2019 at 9:41 pm
When you denounced OJ, I knew you were in a meeting different orbit
April 25th, 2019 at 9:42 pm
Hey, Joe, whose that injured DL you wanted us to take in Round 2?
So pardon me if I discount your analysis. You owe an apology to “America’s Linebacker.”
April 25th, 2019 at 9:44 pm
things Bowles didn’t do with the Jets.
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Ouch! Somebody get Joe a beer!
I know you may not want to hear this Joseph but I agree with you 100%! Every word!
April 25th, 2019 at 9:47 pm
White was the best linebacker at LSU in the last 15 years
April 25th, 2019 at 9:48 pm
So why did White and Oliver drop? Well let the excuses begin.
Chucky played Chucky and took Ferrell…The Giants needed a QB and took the Duke kid…But a TE ahead of Oliver? A TE who shared time in college? Talk about “positional value”. Then finally Oliver. The Steelers trade up to get in the top ten and select what…why another ILB.
2 ILB’s in the first ten along with the two QB’s…this must be an HISTORIC draft according to Joe.
And for the joker who suggested we could have traded down and picked up White at 11, 12,13…NO mock had that and why did the Steelers trade UP to the top ten to get an ILB? Those were the two LB’s who were the class of the field. There are now NO LB’s worth a pick in the first left. However…lots of DL and so perhaps one will fall enough for us to nab in the 2nd.
And the wild card if I may be conspiratorial..what if…just imagine if BA/Licht and GMC had come to a meeting of the mind about a new contract and we keep him? I mean can anybody imagine Licht/BA and GMC all conspiring to fake out the league.
Nah but it would surely be entertaining if that’s what happened.
As far as I know GMC is still a Buc but that could change this weekend….and then again maybe it won’t.
April 25th, 2019 at 9:54 pm
Any pick that Joe doesn’t like is probably the right one. This is the same guy that got all moist over Winston being drafted. We needed a linebacker and I’m happy about it.
April 25th, 2019 at 9:54 pm
Joe and Johnny Manziel. Imagine how that would have worked out.
April 25th, 2019 at 9:55 pm
I’m not a huge fan of the pick either, but just a little fact for some of the commenters here…… Devin White’s strongest area is his coverage skills. He will definitely help to boost our secondary by covering RB’s and TE’s. Let’s give the guy a chance to show what he’s got.
April 25th, 2019 at 9:58 pm
Joe it’s the deepest DL draft maybe in history. Let’s not act like the only way to find a Edge player is with a Top 5 choice.
April 25th, 2019 at 10:00 pm
St Pete. Last year’s class included a G and RB in Top 5. That mustard been historic.
April 25th, 2019 at 10:03 pm
I CAN SEE IT NOW…… BA THROWS LICHT UNDER THE BUS, BLAMES THE FAILURE ON HIM AND BECOMES OUT NE GM!
April 25th, 2019 at 10:05 pm
JJ EXACTLY!!!
April 25th, 2019 at 10:07 pm
Stop crying and get your over yourself joe. I think Todd Bowles knows what he needs to make his defense work more than you ever would, they didn’t go into this draft with one pick so just spare us your tears seeing as you just don’t know what you are talking about when it comes to someone else’s defense
April 25th, 2019 at 10:08 pm
Please just shut up Joe! Now all these other stupid comments. You know nothing! Seriously….
April 25th, 2019 at 10:09 pm
MEANT TO SAY BA BLAMES LIGHT FOR THE MISTAKES IN THIS YEARS DRAFT. LICHT IS FIRED AND BA BECOMES NEW GM AND LEFTWICH BECOMES HEAD COACH LOL. REALLY PISSED THAT WITH 3 TOP 5 TALENTS ON THE BOARD, THE BUCS DIDNT MOVE BACK A FEW SPOTS AND GET MORE PICKS. LETS SEE……
April 25th, 2019 at 10:11 pm
I really wish Ira would go elsewhere. It is painful to listen to the Joe’s just to hear Ira. I find both of them to be arrogant, conceited and frequently clueless. They also make a habit of trashing other media members. Haven’t heard anyone trash the Joe’s although I chuckled someone did point out that one outlets articles we’re about the length of a tweet.
April 25th, 2019 at 10:18 pm
Joe played football in HS so he’s an expert.
RUN FOR YOUR LIFE IRA, YOU’RE SURROUNDED BY IDIOCRACY.
April 25th, 2019 at 10:31 pm
Biggest night of Devin White’s life and Joe acts like the Bucs just made the worst decision in the history of professional sports. I hope DW never gives you guys the time of day. It’s pathetic how much negativity the moderators of this site spew on an hourly basis.
April 25th, 2019 at 10:37 pm
Listen!!!
How many DEs are making more money than CJ Mosley?
How many and what impact do they make?
I’ll f**king wait!
Bring it on.
April 25th, 2019 at 10:38 pm
…awaiting moderation
April 25th, 2019 at 10:39 pm
…awaiting moderation.
April 25th, 2019 at 10:41 pm
What the heck did I type that demands “moderation”?
You Joes are journalists right? Fair and balanced?
April 25th, 2019 at 10:51 pm
@joe – I’m extremely thankful you have no say in the Bucs draft. You were lobbying for the Bucs to keep D-Jax. Keep typing Joe but keep your expert draft opinions to yourself.
April 25th, 2019 at 10:52 pm
At this point we might be able to get Montez Sweat
April 25th, 2019 at 10:55 pm
MONTEZ SWEAT….. GO GET HIM
April 25th, 2019 at 11:04 pm
MONTEZ SWEAT…. GO GET HIM
April 25th, 2019 at 11:09 pm
The only way to justify this pick is if we can somehow land Sweat but than that still leaves a huge need at guard/ rt
April 25th, 2019 at 11:31 pm
@Joe. your evaluation regarding football is more than suspect. You were in love with Manzel and thought he was the next coming of Christ. You still think that JW is all world. You should stick to writing about football.
April 25th, 2019 at 11:48 pm
Funky,he don’t know know better..
April 25th, 2019 at 11:49 pm
Eric Zimmerman from Lakeland?
April 26th, 2019 at 12:49 am
What the hell is the point of having JPP and Nassib (& Spence) if you were gonna pick a pass rusher? Joe wanted Kevin freakin’ Minter to play I guess. I’ll say it till one of the Joes hear it…who does Bill Belichick like? ILBs over EDGE. Joe is trying to convince you he knows more football than the best coach ever.
Oh, and Josh Allen is not elite, sorry.
April 26th, 2019 at 12:50 am
Now…the real tragedy is they coulda had Derwin and Ed Oliver.
April 26th, 2019 at 12:52 am
Who were the elite pass rushers they passed on? Josh Allen looks like every other stud college pass rusher that Marke Stoops has had going back to when he was FSU’s DC. They all didn’t translate to the league, most recently Bud Dupree. Allen looks the same. I’ll be surprised if he’s anything special.
April 26th, 2019 at 1:02 am
You need to follow what Bowles wants in a defense. He has his two middle LBs who can cover sideline to sideline in White and Buchanan. Now, they need to work on those corners. I saw Bowles come up with packages you wouldn’t believe with way less talent coming in here in Arizona 7 years ago. The guy blitzes from everywhere.
April 26th, 2019 at 1:39 am
Joe, I gotta believe that Bowles believes he has enough to work with on the front line already and the greater need was at LB. At least give him the benefit of doubt that he knows better than you or I or the many other “experts” here visiting JBB, or else start writing articles that he doesn’t and the Bucs once again hired a bad DC.
April 26th, 2019 at 7:37 am
Joe is just taking a contrarian position to rile up the knuckdraggers…it worked
April 26th, 2019 at 8:10 am
They say go with best available player over need. Devin White was considered top 5 in most expert picks, you draft football players, not neccessarily the most athletic/promising guys. Take a look at Luke Kuechly, not much of an athletic freak but the guy is a football player. White is a beast, there isn’t a single player on the Bucs now that can tackle like him. If he is near you you are going down.
April 26th, 2019 at 8:12 am
Christian McCaffery is another example, not the fastest or biggest running back, but he’s a football player and a damn great one already.
April 26th, 2019 at 11:57 am
No college player is a guarantee, especially White, MLB picked with a top 5 pick unfortunately it has BUST written all over it
April 26th, 2019 at 12:53 pm
They were going to draft White come hell or high water.Why did they even put out the poll and ask if the fans were ok with white.This team needs pass rush help and oline help in the worst way.JPP will probably be gone next year and we will be in the same position with needs and in the cellar again.
The only thing that will make it worse is if they go after greedy williams.Hes contact shy.We have a nickle thats contact shy,enough !
The bucs should have a contingent of fans in the draft room to make picks.Couldnt do any worse !!
April 26th, 2019 at 1:06 pm
You sound almost like I did when the Bucs took Winston #1… hurts don’t it?