Jets Want To Trade Down?
April 22nd, 2019
Jets shopping No. 3 pick?
This might be a chance too good to pass up.
The Jets pick at No. 3. And to read what a long-time Jets reporter has dug up, that No. 3 pick is on the market.
Per Ralph Vacchiano of SNY, the Jets want to move back in the draft.
According to multiple NFL sources, the Jets seem “determined” to trade down in the first round of the NFL Draft, which begins on Thursday in Nashville. Jets GM Mike Maccagnan has made it clear several times that he’s “open” to the idea, though he may be downplaying just how open to it he actually is.
“They seem to really, really want to move down,” said one NFL executive. “Maybe they’re just keeping their options open, but it sure seems like that No. 3 pick is for sale.”
If Joe was Bucs AC/DC-loving general manager Jason Licht, Joe couldn’t pull off this trade quick enough.
Look, would it cost the Bucs a nice price? Sure. Guess what, if the Bucs don’t get an impact player (no, an inside linebacker is not an impact player when quarterbacks have time to have their teeth cleaned in the pocket), this very well could be the last draft Licht oversees for the Bucs.
At No. 3, provided the Cardinals draft Kyler Murray, it is very likely either Josh Allen or this Quinnen Williams will be available. Getting one of those two would be a complete home run.
And you want to dream a little more? How about prying Leonard Williams from the Jets? Imagine a defensive line (on passing downs) with Jason Pierre-Paul, Vita Vea, Allen and Williams?
Now that’s cooking with gas.
April 22nd, 2019 at 8:02 am
Totally idiotic idea. Of course Joe would do it.
April 22nd, 2019 at 8:07 am
No. No. No. The price to make that move would be a stupid as drafting an injured defensive lineman in the second round. Stick to writing, Joe.
And how about something about Reggie Cobb?
April 22nd, 2019 at 8:08 am
Joe, you do realize pressure can come from different parts of the field right? Have you watched film of Devin White? LSU used him quite a bit to rush the passer up the middle and he was quite successful. The dude can move.
He is a can’t miss player. Much like Derwin James last year. You know, the guy you thought wouldn’t be an impact player as a Safety.
April 22nd, 2019 at 8:09 am
Josh Allen may be available @ 5….not QW…if Licht trades up he is panicking …assuming QB goes @ 1….and only 3 position players are taken before Bucs pick at 5….and Jason can’t find a great player this franchise is in deeper kimche than we know….I read a good article on why the wise thing for the Bucs to do was draft Dwayne Haskins it was written and posted overnight….same logic I used a few months ago when I was banging the Haskin’s drum….simply cannot afford to give up draft picks to move up in the 1st round this year
April 22nd, 2019 at 8:16 am
Joe is like the guy in the movie “ Some Kind of Wonderful”, who uses his college money to buy the most popular girl in high school some diamond earrings so he can make a point.
Bucs have several needs on D and OLine- they can’t afford to give up draft picks.
April 22nd, 2019 at 8:17 am
Nah, don’t give up ANY draft capital.
April 22nd, 2019 at 8:24 am
ABSOLUTELY TRADE DOWN!!!!!
April 22nd, 2019 at 8:27 am
How stupid. Yeah, let’s lose picks when we have A TON of needs.
Not sure why the infatuation with Josh Allen. He’s not big enough to be a DE in a 3-4. The only rare athlete for his position is Quinnen Williams.
Joe would rather:
-1 Pick in the first 2 rounds (Josh Allen and lose 2nd round pick by trading up)
VS
-3 Picks in the first 2 rounds (Oliver/Bush/Burns + 2-2nd rounders by trading back)
DUMB.
April 22nd, 2019 at 8:27 am
If Licht moves up to 3, this will be his last draft ever…
April 22nd, 2019 at 8:30 am
If the Jets trade down, it may be with at team that wants a QB……stay put…..& one of the big 3 may come our way…..
Why give up any draft capital when a great player will be there for us at 5…..
This obsession over not drafting Devin White is overdone.
April 22nd, 2019 at 8:32 am
Not one player in this draft worth moving up for. Lot of value on defense throughout this draft. I would move down but I really like White so…
April 22nd, 2019 at 8:33 am
The closer we get to the draft the more I have become in the trade down camp. Though I think the Bucs will take D White at 5 after Williams, Bosa and Allen are gone. There are just too many good players in this draft and the Bucs have holes virtually everywhere. Khail Mack with the Raiders was useless because the Raiders stunk. Chubb and V Miller with the Broncos haven’t helped them win. A Donald in 2016 with the Rams was a beast but his team, not so much. Lots of really good players is better than 1 franchise player.
You are only as good as your weakest link. Goodbye!
April 22nd, 2019 at 8:35 am
While the Bucs moving down to say #11 or #15 has some appeal, the immediate and continual undeniable impact would lie in trading to #3 to get Quinnen for sure, if he’s there at #3. Given the lack of success in most of Licht’s picks and Arians’ in the first round, screw the extra picks. Every person crying for extra picks were same ones doing the same thing past few years. See Aguayo, Stewart, Rojo, Evans, etc…
April 22nd, 2019 at 8:38 am
I disagree Joe. Plugging one hole on a sinking ship isn’t enough. No way you give up picks to move up 2 spots.
April 22nd, 2019 at 8:41 am
For me it’s Williams, or White, although I feel White would do so much more for us then just split time rushing the passer like Joe thinks we need. Joe, don’t you think this defense needs a true leader? You’re around these guys, who’s the feared unquestioned leader of this bunch of folding chairs? Nobody, we’ve had McSofties brand for nine years, Davids quiet leadership, and Kwon’s passion, but not the greatest play to go with it. He’s gone now, Beckwith is good as gone. One of the best MLBs, and leaders to come along in some time, and we just just happen to have a huge hole there, and Joe doesn’t want to fill it. Right now we have JPP making 14 mill, Golhston, Nassib,who will be DE’s, they ain’t LB’s, we will draft another DE, and DT in this draft. But we can’t miss by picking a talented leader like White with our first pick.
April 22nd, 2019 at 8:46 am
The cost would be our 2nd rd pick. No Thanks!
Bucs are going to get a good defensive player in the 1st rd. Even if they trade down 10 spots there will be very good 1st rd prospects still available….
This is a good draft to pick up extra 2nd/3rd rd picks. A trade down from 5 could net the Bucs more than one starter for the value of one high pick.
I’m fine with White or Oliver at #5 if no good offers for a trade down come.
April 22nd, 2019 at 8:47 am
Yes, Devin White IS an impact player Joe. The fact that he’s an ILB makes no difference because he would have an impact every game. Ignorance is bliss.
April 22nd, 2019 at 8:50 am
I feel like the sentence “this may be Licht’s last draft with the Bucs” has been reasoning for trading up for like 3 years now lol.
April 22nd, 2019 at 8:51 am
We have sooooo may holes to plug
We can’t trade up
April 22nd, 2019 at 8:51 am
‘Johnny Manziel Lovin, Rachel Watson Obsessed, Craft Beer Hating, Dee Ford at $18M per Yr, Doesnt Understand why we moved on from Revis, Shill Joe” wants the Bucs to move up, give up valued draft picks and grab another old expensive veteran in the middle of a cap crunch.
As has been started many, many times before, we love you Joe, but we are happy you are not a decision maker for the Bucs. Whew…
April 22nd, 2019 at 8:51 am
Muhammad Wilkerson? He hasn’t played for the Jets in two years. He was with the Packers last year and is a free agent right now.
Wow, did Stephen A Smith write this piece?
April 22nd, 2019 at 8:52 am
Joe as a GM.
Can you picture that team ?
Scary
Plus , I imagine that’s what Tmax looks like in the pic above
April 22nd, 2019 at 8:53 am
Trading is only a good idea when you have extra picks but not in an off-season where you made no major free agent signings. If licht doesn’t get an impact player this may be his last draft? Honestly you have no business being an nfl gm if you can’t hit on a pick at 5, does he really have to move up to three to be proved competent? his first two picks need to be studs not just the first. He needs to draft at least two starters to keep his job and I can’t see drafting one star and the rest be bench players and that is considered a good draft
April 22nd, 2019 at 8:54 am
I wonder if the Jets would throw Revis in the deal again? Maybe Broadway Joe?
April 22nd, 2019 at 8:55 am
I’m guessing the joes get last in fantasy football every year and blame it on bad luck.
April 22nd, 2019 at 8:56 am
Is Mark Gastineau available for trade I wonder?
April 22nd, 2019 at 8:58 am
“Imagine a defensive line (on passing downs) with Jason Pierre-Paul, Vita Vea, Allen and Wilkerson?”
Ummm… Mohammed Wilkerson is an Free Agent. Maybe Joe had a little too much fun this weekend or has a obsessive passion with the DL in the top of this draft class like he does with Rachel Watson
April 22nd, 2019 at 8:59 am
We have ongoing cap problems….will have them next year also….the only way to combat that is will competent drafts….and more picks is better than less (inarguable) Higher picks don’t guarantee success….but I would say that the one player in the draft that looks like a guarantee is Quinnen Williams…..but we simply have to stay put or trade down (dependent on the deal)
April 22nd, 2019 at 8:59 am
You guys should not engage in so much draft talk.
If you worked a normal job, the water cooler area would clear out like a fart in the wind as soon as you started talking draft scenarios.
April 22nd, 2019 at 9:00 am
Folks,Joe isn’t all that familiar with BA and Bowles scheme so excuse him. If I explained to Joe Johnathan Abrams had a sit down with the team mainly because he has “in the box” skills that fit BA and Bowles scheme perfectly. He wouldn’t understand me. One reason why THEY LOVE BLITZING SAFETIES.
April 22nd, 2019 at 9:03 am
Joe mainly wants to see pressure come from the edge. These guys believe in bringing pressure from wherever.
April 22nd, 2019 at 9:08 am
dont trade up…..draft ed oliver….
#REALISTKNOWSNOTHING!!!!…GO BUCS!!!!!
April 22nd, 2019 at 9:15 am
Yeah because this decade long defensive futility is one pick away from turning it all around…
With this desperate logic might as well trade all our picks every year to ensure we draft one solid player per year because we don’t trust our ability to draft beyond a consusenus too 2-3 player lol
April 22nd, 2019 at 9:18 am
We can’t trade up…too many needs.
April 22nd, 2019 at 9:24 am
LOL at all the comments saying “we have so many needs we cant use draft capital!!”.. Those same people would ackowledge the FACT that far less than 50% of picks work out to be contributing players and its probably under 20% for our team the last decade.. so statistically theres a great case in moving up to secure someone you feel has way higher odds of being a stud. Take last year for example.. we knew with near certaintity that Chubb, Nelson, and Barkley were going to be all stars.. if we had hypothetically traded up for Chubb wed have a pro bowl pass rusher for the next decade and it would have cost us Ronald Jones and Alex Cappa…
April 22nd, 2019 at 9:27 am
No flippin way, this is as dumb a move as giving the jets a #1 for darelle revis. The bucs then were more than a player away from the playoffs & the bucs are still so far away from a playoff team to be giving up draft picks for an unknown def player. Now if you think the bucs are shopping for a qb then go do it
April 22nd, 2019 at 9:31 am
Pepsi… when quoting stats like “its probably under 20%” don’t be lazy, do the math and quote us the number. That’s what forms the basis for a good argument.
April 22nd, 2019 at 9:39 am
Um hell no
April 22nd, 2019 at 9:43 am
What I find funny is so many here in jbf land feel these prospects are ready to come in an immediately be dominant football players but yet a team in the top five is trying to trade out of top 5. I think the fascination that many here have for some may very well not be shared by GMs and HCs across this league. Weak class if you ask me.
April 22nd, 2019 at 9:53 am
Sorry, but to say a strong ILB is not an impact player is hard evidence of a casual fan.
April 22nd, 2019 at 9:59 am
Tampa bay but fan has it… Lets hope the Jets trade up… then Allen, Williams or Bosa will be left over.
April 22nd, 2019 at 10:25 am
This constant denigration of LB’s just mystifies me. The top ten sackers are actually the top 11 because the 4 at the bottom all had 13 sacks. FOUR of those studs were LB’s! In any given year close to half of all the sack leaders are LB’s.
Outside of Donald the DT’s are largely non existent…fewer DT’s made the top 20 sackers than LB’s made the top 10.
So in REALITY….DE’s do have an EDGE…not dominant…but a statistical edge over LB’s and both have advantages over DT’s.
The problem with stats is that DE’s first and sometimes only real responsibility is to get to the passer…LB’s tend to be all over the formation and not get as many opportunities to blitz or rush the passer. See LVD who had 7 sacks one year when we turned him loose and next to none when we played him in Smitty’s role.
Some experts also believe that LB’s are actually more dangerous than DE’s because of their flexibility and increased speed and quickness enabling them to blow through holes from more angles more quickly than DE’s.
A major reason some experts believe that LB’s are more dangerous is because they are far more difficult to game plan against. Nobody knows for sure what an LB is going to do before the snap of the ball. EVERYBODY knows what a DE is going to try and do before the ball is ever snapped.
LB’s have the advantage of surprise.
IMHO bottom line for me is the quality of the player not the position. And so even though DT’s, with the sole exception of Donald do not figure as frequently in sacks I’d still be happy with Quinnen because of his ability to play HIS position. I feel the same way about White. I lean to White simply because he is a fiery emotional leader something missing currently on our D but I certainly would not be upset with Quinnen. BOTH of these guys have a true chance at being perennial pro bowlers…Allen looks like Spence 2.0 to me…and Bosa had the injury last year.
April 22nd, 2019 at 10:27 am
Trading down makes sense because the Bucs would still get a very good player. Just because you take a player lower in the 1st rd doesn’t mean he couldn’t be as good if not better than a higher one picked. Anyway you look at it, its still a crap shoot. I also don’t think Allen is worth a #5 pick. But who knows?
April 22nd, 2019 at 10:41 am
Also this is all working out ideally for the Bucs..
More possible QBs to go between pick 1 & 3 and a better chance of Allen/Bosa/Williams falling
Personally Ed Oliver is in my big 4 tho. Take one of those 4 or trade down is where I am at
April 22nd, 2019 at 10:49 am
“this is all working out ideally for the Bucs.”
Amen!
April 22nd, 2019 at 11:12 am
He11 no; the Bucs needs to trade down themselves.
April 22nd, 2019 at 11:50 am
It is not such an open and shut case and most make it seem. Barkley, Nelson and Chubb are the types of players we have been trying to get forever and we could of had them for the price of my Stewart and cappa and most of you are like noooo dont do it. How much would Barkley or Nelson had helped last year. The only downside is we might have been stuck with kotter for another year. I’d give up a second round next year for quinen even though I am hoping to move down a few spots and get Oliver or move down even further and get burns. Every deal is different and you have to really examine each deal on it’s own merits not do the “I’m smarter than everyone else and if you even consider moving up you’re an idiot”….My three top targets are quinen, oliver and burns and I would explore all the options in getting those guys.
April 22nd, 2019 at 12:25 pm
Throw in GMC to move up, only. And Thats all. I would
April 22nd, 2019 at 12:27 pm
The Bucs should trade down for extra picks n select Clemson’s Christian Wilkins in round one. He is a freak of a big athlete. It would be a no brainer to trade down for him. This guy has played full back, running back, can catch, can knock down passes, can run, can do a cartwheel n a split at 315 lbs, plays DE n DT n has a chip on his shoulder. I have no doubt that he can also play tightend. This strategy would ensure extra picks for depth n immediate positions of need.
April 22nd, 2019 at 1:28 pm
STAY PUT AT 5! Let someone else jump up for Haskins and that will push either Allen or Williams to us at 5. 1.Kyler 2.Bosa. 3.Haskins. 4.Williams or Allen. 5. Williams or Allen. Plus how would the bucs pry leonard williams from the jets in a trade joe?!
April 22nd, 2019 at 2:11 pm
We have a chance to draft a dominating game changing player and you guys want to trade him away?
Worse you want to trade him away for a 2nd round choice and those players bust at 50%.
We have no dominating players on defense. Zero. Not one player to build around……..Through grace we have a Top 5 pick and a chance to change all that. And yall just want to trade it away for dart throws?
You dont fix a defense by upgrading every single position. Thats nearly impossible. You fix a defense by finding impact players that have to be gameplanned against……..Again we have zero impact plauers……….Trading down with a top 5 means you lessen your chances to find a impact player. Draft history prooves this.
Trading away a top five pick is a total b**ch move. Its playing scared.
Grary and Sweat will not be impact players most likely. They will likely be sash players and nothing more and thats wjo we will get………meanwhile we have traded away an Allen or Oliver who will lilely become ProBowlers and All Pro players………and we traded them away for players who bust 50 % plus……..Awful plan.
Get a impact player at 5 and he will make his teammates around him thrive………Or trade down to around the spot we drafted VHIII and get a guy like that. Yall have some distorted views over draft picks.
April 22nd, 2019 at 2:14 pm
Trade down scenarios must be treated differently when you have a Top 5 choice………..Some of yall even say to trade down to #15??? Lots of daydrinkers in Tampa I guess.
Im confident Licht aint dumb enough to trade away a Top 5 player. Unlike yall he knows how rare they are.
April 22nd, 2019 at 2:41 pm
“This is a total bs from the jets to see if they can fish a sucker GM
They know and content they are going to get a stud pro bowler and a need in #3 spot
They just what to see if they can get a dummy to givebthem 3 #1s for their pick
I doubt it and they are content to get their stud whomever is left out of the 3”
Kobe Faker
April 22nd, 2019 at 4:31 pm
DE/DT don’t cover WR/TE/RB you can slow down a pass rush an take them out the game look at what happened to Donald an suh in the super bowl an the patriots don’t have a killer pass rush they are like 30tj but yet they still win Super Bowls so it’s not life or death if you don’t have a pass rush but it does help a lot wen your secondary isn’t up to par but we need some one you can cover an help make tackles and splash plays in the middle with LVD
April 22nd, 2019 at 4:32 pm
@Jimmy Jack,
Khail Mack did not help the Raiders defense become good enough. So why would you think one player also drafted 5th is going to help the Bucs defense? You need players on every level. One stud is not going to cut it and this is the draft to accumulate multiple defense players. Trade back.
April 22nd, 2019 at 5:00 pm
That dude single-handedly turned the Bears defense from OK to among the best in the NFL. There is a reason why the Bears paid a king’s ransom for him.
April 22nd, 2019 at 5:19 pm
“KOBE FAKER TOTALLY DISAGREES
chicago is loaded all 3 levels and their front 4 is the best in the league
*mack missed a few games during the season and chitown didnt miss a beat
*defenses needs to be a total team effort. All 3 levels to dominate
Even with Mack, oak was dogsh!t on 2017”
Kobe Faker
April 22nd, 2019 at 6:39 pm
Joe comparing the Raiders defensive personnel to the Bears is probably one of the biggest laughs I have had in a long time.
Khail Mack with the Raiders > Raiders suck
Khail Mack with the Bears > Bears make playoffs with a bottom tier QB
I wonder what could have been the difference?
April 22nd, 2019 at 10:47 pm
Yes joe Mack did halp make a huge difference yet where did they finish again
April 22nd, 2019 at 11:04 pm
I’m give them our 3rd this year in a heartbeat to move up and get Q, he’s that much of an impact player.