Jameis And The Deep Ball…
April 16th, 2019
Proving narrative offbase.
(Photo courtesy of Buccaneers.com)
The crowd that cannot wait to run off America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston, loves to cackle that he cannot hit receivers on deep passes.
Oh really?
It seems the PFF tribe dug up some stats — not grades, stats! — that suggest otherwise.
The numbers are somewhat incomplete, but Bucs stud receiver Mike Evans, per the tribe, had the second-most yards for a receiver in the NFL last season on what is classified as “deep receiving yards.”
Now someone explain to Joe how Evans could have so many yards on deep passes if the guy throwing him the ball is so inaccurate on deep passes?
Or could it just be that the malcontent who rarely linked up with Jameis on deep passes not only all but refused to work with him, but he worked much harder behind the scenes to Pearl Harbor Jameis’ days with the Bucs?
Joe is sensing an underlying reason why so many people act as if this DeSean Jackson was the second coming of Lynn Swann.
Mike Evans finished 2nd in terms of deep receiving yards a season ago pic.twitter.com/xDP0Sfykqh
— Pro Football Focus (@PFF) April 14, 2019
April 16th, 2019 at 9:04 am
The much maligned PFF Tribe providing all the cherry picked stats Joe needs when he wants to support his view.
Otherwise, they are a bunch of trained orangutans right?
April 16th, 2019 at 9:07 am
Well to be fair a good chunk of those yards came from Suckpatrick. Just hope for Jameis and the rest of the team to finally develop under a real NFL leadership.
April 16th, 2019 at 9:10 am
Jameis is the only hope this franchise has unless it still wants to cling to washed up underachieving has beens that had 1 good year… such low low standards in bucland…. worshipping losers and labeling them legends in an attempt to be a real nfl franchise is so very cute yet so very sad….
April 16th, 2019 at 9:16 am
wish I could show screen shots…. When you go back a watch some film, you have to wonder based on routes if DJax wanted to catch the ball from Winston. Water under the bridge. This season is gonna be fun.
April 16th, 2019 at 9:16 am
I was just looking at 2018 highlight reel of ME night before last. A few balls were from Fitz but majority of the balls came from Jameis in highlights. I’m thinking to myself these lames just hate for the sake of hatin on the young man. But like his Tee-shirt said at his presser the other BUC-U. BA about to make him One Hundred Million Dollar man.
April 16th, 2019 at 9:17 am
All the questions about Jameis will be answered in 2019….unless he starts to do ( the things ELITE NFL QB’s do )…he’ll be gone. No way in hell the franchise can commit cap space elite QB’s are getting in today’s marketplace to a QB with so many question marks combined with is permanent status of next strike and you are out. Jameis still makes the bad throws and decisions he did in college…along with a few great play teases….I don’t care what the Bucs QB’s name is…I want a elite QB and if that means drafting a rookie next year and going through growing pains then so be it…simply can’t keep on keeping on with erratic inconsistent QB play
April 16th, 2019 at 9:20 am
I wanna know what the highest completion percentage of passes over 30 yards was last season and by who. I bet it was less than 60%. I know this because those are low completion percentage pass attempts. But simply Youtube ME highlights to see what Jameis is capable of😊.
April 16th, 2019 at 9:23 am
Mofos come on here and talk like he routinely launches passes 15 yards out of bounds. Like incapable of connecting with targets down field. Make yourselves look stupid.
April 16th, 2019 at 9:24 am
Again simply Youtube ME.
April 16th, 2019 at 9:26 am
Stats can be very deceptive…..ME may have been # 2 on deep balls because many other teams have 2 receivers or more catching them……Bucs only had Evans.
I think it is very hard to argue that Jameis is accurate on deep passes…..he simply hasn’t been. Can he be?…..Maybe.
April 16th, 2019 at 9:27 am
@NOSBOS … “I wanna know what the highest completion percentage of passes over 30 yards was last season and by who”. Since you asked NOSBOS, our record was 5-11. Oh wait, right answer to the wrong question. My bad.
April 16th, 2019 at 9:28 am
“MEME Evans. The most overrated player in the NFL (Good player most perversely overpaid)
this JAG is going to be the most offensive pass interference called player with the new instant replay rules in all NFL
*there is only 1 hope for “I cant YAC so I Yap” Evans. Kobe wants to see him run crossing patterns under BAs scheme”
Kobe Faker
April 16th, 2019 at 9:32 am
…Winston rated below average by the nfl but Joe still has his man crush . Does Winston lead a receiver on the run or throw to a spot ?? Their is no way Winston has been worth the number 1 pick in the draft after 4 years … At least so far !!
April 16th, 2019 at 9:38 am
Rudy Stein accuracy
April 16th, 2019 at 9:40 am
Compare size, wing span, and catch radius. Without Evans Winston’s career comp % drops 5-6 points.
April 16th, 2019 at 9:40 am
Let me know when all these great stats Winston has start leading to wins.
April 16th, 2019 at 9:44 am
More noise. He either wins a lot of games and we reward him or he loses like he has been and we throw him out with the rest of the trash.
Simple.
No more excuses. No more noise.
April 16th, 2019 at 9:44 am
This site has turned into the Jameis & Gerald sympathizing page.
April 16th, 2019 at 9:45 am
What’s the percentage of those yards from Winston and from Fitz…
Trying to find stats to support a flawed narrative is silly
April 16th, 2019 at 9:46 am
the problem was, the deep ball was becoming too predictable under dirk…..teams knew when they were coming and who it was going to depending on personnel and formation…..
BA wont have that problem….
#REALISTKNOWSNOTHING!!!!…GO BUCS!!!!!
April 16th, 2019 at 9:47 am
ben Says:
“Their is no way Winston has been worth the number 1 pick”
((((((((((
“Their”?
Really, ben?
“Their”?
You disqualified yourself from the conversation.
April 16th, 2019 at 9:47 am
You can just watch the bucs games and see that winston cannot complete deep passes and as an overall #1 pick that probably should be something a QB is capable of doing. Winston reminds me of the 76ers #1 overall pick ben simmons who cannot hit a 3 or deep jump shot. There were times last year where bucs WRs had steps on the DB and winston hesitated or waited and then threw the ball…im sure no risk it no biscuit as a phrase that pays for the deep pass too…if he’s even hes leavin, throw the ball jameis the WR will get it, stop waiting
April 16th, 2019 at 9:49 am
some one may need to explain to Joe that #13 is the best recieve rin the nfl and catches a lot of jump ball because he is 6 foot 6 and a nightmare of a mismatch. Any speed reciever is going to need an accurate deep ball
April 16th, 2019 at 9:49 am
Jameis has had no problem throwing to every receiver he’s ever worked with – except Desean Jackson. I think it’s safe to assume where the problem was.
April 16th, 2019 at 10:05 am
56 Games In, I still see QB every bit as good as Josh Freeman.
Can’t wait to see this savior you guys keep bragging about.
April 16th, 2019 at 10:11 am
LUVMYBUCS Says:
April 16th, 2019 at 10:05 am
56 Games In, I still see QB every bit as good as Josh Freeman.
Can’t wait to see this savior you guys keep bragging about.
love you bortha but man let me rewrite this for ya so it’s factually accurate…
10 years In, I still see a DT every bit as good as Gholston.
Can’t wait to see this savior you guys keep bragging about.
April 16th, 2019 at 10:11 am
tnew Says
“When you go back a watch some film, you have to wonder based on routes if DJax wanted to catch the ball from Winston.”
Exactly what I pointed out all year.
April 16th, 2019 at 10:21 am
Evans had 33 attempts, 20 catches, total yards 481. 60% completion percentage.
April 16th, 2019 at 10:23 am
ME is 6’5″ not 6’6″, but he does have a 37″ vertical and high points his catches , but the ball still has to be in the right spot. JW will continue his progression upwards in all stat categories. This is only his 5th year and for eons QB’s were not thought to be fully ready until year 5 , hell they wanted to get rid of Terry Bradshaw in Pittsburgh until his 5th year. The elephant in the room is the lack of any consistency in the running game. Said it before and I will say it again , JW will win a ring , but will it be in Tampa?
April 16th, 2019 at 10:24 am
I thought you couldn’t overthrow djax but that’s exactly what happened on most of their plays. Alligator arms for real. Zero effort by Djax but wtfdik
April 16th, 2019 at 10:32 am
LUV- Harsh but true! Every year it’s a different excuse.
I love how we have just piled all of Winston’s problems in to the DJax basket and waved goodbye to it like it didn’t exist. If you watched the games, you saw it with your own eyes. Winston MISSED DJax MORE than DJax loafed. Saying differently proves that you didn’t watch the games.
The beauty of it is that we can put that argument to rest now that he’s gone. I hope Jameis is up to the task. If not, like everyone else, BYE FELICIA!
April 16th, 2019 at 10:35 am
DB55- The only problem with your statement is that on MOST of those overthrows, DJax was wide open. So, I don’t know about lack of effort when a WR is open.
April 16th, 2019 at 10:37 am
Very simple. Mike Evans has one of the best catch radius’ ever, DJax needed it dropped in a bucket with some touch. No knock on Jameis. It is what it is. Jameis could confidently through one up in an area of that radius and Evans was gonna go up and get it.
April 16th, 2019 at 10:42 am
Winston was the least accurate deep passer in 2018. (Deep ball project ) Ranked 35th of 35.
Ranking last in accuracy on all throws (29.41%), throws of 21-25 yards (12.5%) and throwing with clean pockets (21.74%), it was a brutal season for Winston from an accuracy standpoint. His 52 yards after the catch were the third fewest in 2018.
Winston was at his best as a deep passer in 2018 under pressure, where he ranked 11th in accuracy percentage (45.45%).
Outside of that, he was the only quarterback in the 2018-19 Deep Ball Project with an accuracy percentage lower than 30%.
He showed weaknesses throwing to the left, middle, or right, and he was the third least accurate into tight windows (19.23%).
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April 16th, 2019 at 10:54 am
Joe is trying to trick the people again to believe in the scumbag QB. I could throw touchdowns to a guy like Mike Evans. The average corner is under 6 feet tall and Mike is 6’5. Its a 50/50 ball that’s more like 80/20. Winston has proven every year that he cant lead receivers especially undersized receivers. Desaun Jackson has been explosive everywhere including here when Fitz was the QB. Get over it Joe. The worst thing that could happen to this franchise is for Winston to do just enough for desperate Jason Light to give him an extension. Then Arians retires again. Then Winston returns to being the guy everyone but Joe already knows he ic.
April 16th, 2019 at 10:57 am
Evans biggest game of 2018 Fitz threw 111 of his 179 receiving yards
His other two highest yardage games were QB’d by none other than Fitz not Jameis
Fitz completed passes of 50, 51, 72 to Mike
Jameis completed passes of 41, 42, and 64 to Mike
Point is he’s a big play machine who even had big play catches from McCown and Glennon his rookie year
So thinking Jameis is a good deep thrower based off his passes to Mike is a false narrative and the definition of fake news
Joes please be better when trying to find stats to validate your point of view. Confirmation bias isn’t your strong suit
April 16th, 2019 at 11:04 am
Year 5 of JW and every offseason its a different excuse for him. I hope this is his year!
April 16th, 2019 at 11:12 am
miken Says:
April 16th, 2019 at 11:04 am
Year 5 of JW and every offseason its a different excuse for him. I hope this is his year!
same could be said for cancer93 but he received a free pass for a decade of failure and nfl worst of records.
April 16th, 2019 at 11:18 am
In college, ME made Johnny Foolball a good deep passer too, enough to get Johnny drafted in the 1st. Are there stats you could drum-up to defend Johnny, Joe?
April 16th, 2019 at 11:19 am
C’mon guys (and Joe)….Evans is a GREAT receiver. And almost all of those long connections came as Evans was STATIONERY and JUMPING UP to snag the ball. Has nothing to do with Winston’s (in)ability to hit Evans deep in stride!!
April 16th, 2019 at 11:20 am
And Joe…..just how many of those yards last year came from Fitzpatrick’s passes? Conveniently ignored.
April 16th, 2019 at 11:22 am
@LUV
I guess this is just one where we disagree. He may prove me wrong but I still have the faith.
Freeman first 4 seasons:
59% completion, 6.92 YPA, 78 TD, 87 turnovers (Int+Fumb)
Winston first 4 seasons (about same attempts actually):
61.3% completion, 7.58 YPA, 88 TD, 80 turnovers (Int+Fumb)
But a lot of what’s missing here is all the blown possible 4th quarter come-back/leads that Winston was robbed of by his team that I don’t recall with Freeman. There are 4 of those games in 2017 alone for example.
And Freeman wasn’t the worker this guy is, and wasn’t trending up every year the way Winston actually has statistically; with his best stretch of play being the one to end last season.
April 16th, 2019 at 11:23 am
Don’t mention Johnny Drunk, the Joes we’re convinced he’d be a good pro and wanted the Bucs to take him over Evans
April 16th, 2019 at 11:29 am
If Jameis is not the QB for our future, then it should be pretty apparent this season. In fact, it would not surprise me if the Bucs lose the first couple games that they decide to tank for the top pick in the draft for a new QB.
But they will give Jameis the opportunity to show he is the guy. But if he is going to suck, he will suck for the chance to draft his replacement!
April 16th, 2019 at 11:31 am
And with Russell Wilson’s new deal that going to mean a lot more money for Jameis. I don’t think he will get 35 million but I think that he’ll more than he would have before that deal was signed.
April 16th, 2019 at 11:58 am
Phil Says:
April 16th, 2019 at 11:31 am
And with Russell Wilson’s new deal that going to mean a lot more money for Jameis. I don’t think he will get 35 million but I think that he’ll more than he would have before that deal was signed.
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LOL…wait until Patrick Mahomes signs his deal …compared to Winston’s if he resigns with the Bucs…Jameis will have to play like we have never seen before for him to get close to Russell and Mahomes money ….he’ll have to play like NDog imagines he has been playing
April 16th, 2019 at 12:13 pm
I’m with @Lord, jameis is very simillar to Freeman. Josh just didn’t work where Jameis has the passion and work ethic but through 4 year they both have proved to be nothing special but flashes of brilliance. The turnovers have been killers, no qb has turned it over more in the last 4 years. Yeah, one qb had a little bit better d… i guess. The suspension sucked and hurt us last year and lead to the whole fitz thing but with BA at the helm, its the best thing that could ever happen to #3
April 16th, 2019 at 12:17 pm
DJax was running wide open on many occasions and had to comeback or get overthrown for the ball. If your wide open QB must hit him in stride. Why is that hard for joe to comprehend. Evans is different type of WR go look at how many of those long balls were great catches.
Yeah yeah Joe you saw one game in college that JW was near perfect and talk about it every week.
Go look at the tape of that game and tell me how many were long balls and great catches that weren’t on target.
I’m pulling for JW and hope he does great and blows it up this year. Let be real QB job is to hit open WR and he failed to do on with DJAX. Look at past few seasons and he did it with Evans , I recall Evans throwing his hands in the air and going to sideline pissed cause overthrows many times , except Evans was better teammate and knew how to handle it.
April 16th, 2019 at 12:19 pm
Loyal FTW. My thoughts exactly.
April 16th, 2019 at 3:03 pm
Ok how many of those yards were Fitz
He had 3 games over 400
Ummm
DJax wanted to sink Jamies so he didn’t catch the ball yet JOE just had a story where DJax was still in contact with Jamies
Ummmm
If we are throwing stats let’s get the TRUE STATS
April 16th, 2019 at 6:43 pm
Jamies’ problem is he cannot hit a deep receiver who moving away from him.
Evans is usually making a cut and heading the to the sidelines.
Jamies’s problem may be bad footwork which would impact accuracy or just poor tracking abilities. Doubt that will ever change and they redo his mechanics which is doubtful at his stage.
April 16th, 2019 at 7:52 pm
“.he’ll have to play like NDog imagines he has been playing”
Ain’t that the truth…
April 16th, 2019 at 8:05 pm
You should know NOT to even believe this when Joe says he has a use for pff stats. It was just last week he was calling them what names??
April 16th, 2019 at 8:08 pm
We can’t rely on jameis that is the problem. As every bucs fan can agree on whether your a jameis hater or supporter. Every game you are just waiting for him to make a bad throw. Every time he lets one go deep you cringe. I hope he turns it around for the sake of the team. But I think we need to draft a qb in the 3rd round just in case. You cant trust him to play great for a whole game let alone a whole season. He will always have those 3 plus interception games. No matter who his coach is. It is who he is he tries to hard to force the ball. That’s how he has played his whole life. I don’t see a coach changing that in one offseason
April 16th, 2019 at 10:09 pm
Mike Evans, the next Bucs HOF representative – he will fight for the ball, not alligator arm every throw MESEAN
April 17th, 2019 at 12:07 am
Gonna take a miracle for JW to get that franchise QB contract
April 17th, 2019 at 7:57 am
^^ Not really, Bucsace. I fully expect him to earn it.
April 17th, 2019 at 8:03 am
You got a great QB in Green Bay with a huge contract and not enough money
left to put enough quality player on the field to be competitive. Just something to think about.
April 17th, 2019 at 8:04 am
How about his turnover stats?????
April 17th, 2019 at 10:14 am
Were those throws from Jameis or Fitz? Fitz was all over Mike.