“Easily See” Oliver With Bucs
April 19th, 2019
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There is so much buzz and chatter about the Bucs doing the unthinkable and drafting an inside linebacker at No. 5 that Joe is starting to think (hope?) this is nothing more than a smoke screen.
In a top-heavy draft for defensive line and edge rushing talent, Joe simply cannot comprehend why the Bucs would settle on a monumental reach at inside linebacker.
Well, one person who is about as well plugged in as there is in NFL circles, Albert Breer of theMMQB.com, brings welcomed reason and logic to light (Licht?).
He is of the mind a certain defensive tackle could be wearing the (in)famous alarm clock number fonts this fall for the Bucs.
As for [Ed] Oliver, I feel comfortable saying that he’ll go somewhere between the third and ninth picks. He’s not for everyone—his fit in the base of some defense is a tough one. But he’s a damn good player for what he is, so I can pretty easily see him landing on the Jets, Bucs or Bills in that pick range.
Damn. Ed Oliver and Vita Vea raising hell on the same line for the next 8-10 years? Not only would that be fun but it would make opposing quarterbacks perspire alone in bed the night before a game.
No, Joe’s not forgetting 30-year-old Jason Pierre-Paul. With his contract up after next season and the Bucs in salary cap hell, Joe honestly isn’t banking on JPP to be with the Bucs after next season, if he is even on the roster next season.
April 19th, 2019 at 5:16 am
Usually you can tell which joe is writing a lot of these articles
But when it comes to This topic , I’m not sure.
I remember the joes writing how much of a travesty (not to long ago) how big of a mistake it would be for Bucs to draft Quinnen Williams (the safer DT who has a specific position )
Experts say Olivier May play on outside because of small size.
Don’t get me wrong. , I am ok with Oliver to bucs. I like the big three with Allen at 3. For some reason Allen makes me nervous
I am Still loving Devin white , but we know what the joes think of that. We would never hear the end of it. Even if he was a pro bowler , we would hear about “malcontent “ white or whatever nickname they give him for the next 10 years
I think regardless , we can get a solid player at 5. I am ok with trade back but for one of the 5 listed above.
April 19th, 2019 at 5:38 am
Biggest problem with Whitenis I have yet to see him do anything other than arm tackle or grab. How good can he be if that’s at least a large percentage of his tackles? Wrap up!
April 19th, 2019 at 6:01 am
^^^
Devin white led the SEC in tackles last year.
He is doing something right
He has played linebacker for 3 years only. Pretty sure his flaws are minimal with proper coaching. He is already this good and played linebacker for 3 years
April 19th, 2019 at 6:02 am
Anyway you look at it ,the probable loss of GMC and Kwan creates a huge hole in the middle. Prior to drafting Vea, the Bucs have a history of playing undersized 0 technique DT and MLB. Oliver has some injury issues and some disagreements with his coaches. Not sure if the latter was justified or not. But if the Bucs insist
on playing an undersized DT and creating running lanes for the NFC South all purpose backs then Gholston is still under contract.
April 19th, 2019 at 6:19 am
Shore up the middle. If the plan is to go with Vea in a 3-4 then a solid MLB
will be a necessity. Minter only has 198 tackles in his entire career. his
production is on the decline as his availability has been. There has been little evidence to show Bullough or Cichy will be contributors.
April 19th, 2019 at 6:29 am
I felt the same way with whites tackles..watch how he does it…hits high all the time with his arms out..he does that chit in on some big boys and he’s gonna have shoulder problems In the NFL…it’s just a weird way of tackling but he is rather effective..I now only want him if we trade down , I want either Allen or Oliver at 5 being how Williams will be gone for sure by then..there are some really nice players in this draft tho all the way through the 3rd round that’s for sure & I like that…Jayson Gump better not screw the pooch this time around ! Go bucs
April 19th, 2019 at 6:33 am
Outside of the Big 3, I’d be fine with this choice, as long as they’ve done their homework on the person. Yes, I still believe in character and know it matters in all aspects of life.
April 19th, 2019 at 6:36 am
I wouldn’t be mad at drafting Devin White at all. His floor is Kwon and his ceiling is Patrick Willis, he probably falls somewhere between but it seems a pretty safe bet, you know like Luke Kuechly was.
Looking at our roster, slot Lavonte as a 3 down MLB, Minter MLB in base, Buchanan in nickel. Is MLB really even a big need though?
We can definitely upgrade our DLine especially with McCoy out the door. If Oliver is the guy I am fine with that. I still think our best move is trade down and still get Wilkins, Burns, or Sweat and an extra second. If you trade down and Oliver, White, or Allen slip, that’s a gimme.
April 19th, 2019 at 6:38 am
Oliver can play 5tech, 3tech, and OLB in our defense. He can be used as a matchup nightmare. I think Oliver will be in the discussion for Defensive rookie of the year.
April 19th, 2019 at 6:44 am
This dude’s film honestly screams not even worth the first round. Film people not highlights. He has no hands,poor balance,smallish. He beyond the tweener term. Mid to late first round. Watch.
April 19th, 2019 at 6:44 am
Oh and I know this sounds weird to most on here but I think Henderson from Memphis might just be the guy I want most in this draft ! I know we need defence , I also know it’s going to be hard to mess this 1st round pick up on a defensive player at 5 and I love it , but to be able to get our version of cmac or kamara in the 3rd round just tickles my football fancy ! That dude has everything we need in a NFC south running back and I’ve studied him really hard lately and boy he has some fantastic upside..i do not care some say he played in a weak conference , so did Ali marpet and he’s our best lineman , so did kalil Mack and I wanted that dude more than anyone in his draft ! Who here would agree that once we find a true firecracker of a running back and can have him for 6 + years , it will make all the difference in the world for this team ! Yes yes I get it , need better lineman sure sure , but I can envision Henderson creating problems for the other teams ! Go bucs
April 19th, 2019 at 6:49 am
To be honest, I don’t fully understand the 3-4 so please excuse my lack of knowledge, but as I understand it, there is only one Defensive Tackle in a 3-4?
If that’s the case, why would the Bucs draft a new DT?
If we were staying with 4-3, I would understand it. But there is already talking that the Bucs would have to find a way to ‘fit’ McCoy into the new system (if he stays). Why would they trade that for having to ‘fit’ a different DT in it?
Over the years, we have seen multiple failed attempts to make the switch from 4-3 to 3-4 in Tampa. All have failed. Even back in the beginning, when the team started with a 3-4, it wasn’t good enough to consistently win.
Bowles is coming off a failed attempt to implement his own 3-4 as it is.
So what if he fails this time too? What if we have to return to 4-3 again?
I’m all over the map this year…and loving it. Not doing any research until our picks are made.
Going to miss the draft live though. Wedding rehearsal on the 26th, renewal of vows on the 27th. Will br the first time I missed part of the draft since my wedding 25 years ago.
April 19th, 2019 at 6:49 am
Ain’t no GM about to draft a player with technique as poor as Oliver’s in the top half of the draft in less he knows he’s on his way out the door real soon. Another quick first step interior D linemen. Film,watch it and show me where I’m wrong. I don’t care about some analyst or scout report. Film.
April 19th, 2019 at 6:53 am
Bonzai you understand I suspect way more than you elude to. These people don’t care about that. They only care about being right as to whomever the Bucs drafts so they throw out names even when there isn’t a need or a fit for said players.
April 19th, 2019 at 6:53 am
I see multiple Tampa fans saying to stay away from Josh Allen, so that probably means in three years he’ll be considered the best value in this draft.
I notice most who don’t want him want White. Obvious bias.
April 19th, 2019 at 7:08 am
Thanks Bird for pointing out the tackles. I said something similar about White the other day. Regardless of whether or not we pick White, tackling isn’t his issue. White has double the tackles that Bush has and Bush is a stud. Not 10 yards down field like Ruud either. White is like a great defensive short stop. Once in a while a ball will tip off the end of their glove and it’s not ruled an error because the official score knows that no one else would have gotten to the ball.
April 19th, 2019 at 7:22 am
Let me be the first to congratulate baby Bonzai……
As far as this draft….this is certainly one of the most interesting. It could be one of so many players.
Bosa, Williams, Allen, White, Oliver, Sweat and if we trade down, maybe one of them or Bush, Gary, Burns, Greedy…..
The one comforting thing is that they are all very good players.
Oddly, I am more focused on how we approach rounds 2 & 3…..and that may well depend on if we trade down.
April 19th, 2019 at 7:29 am
Tampabaybucfan, thank you.
In hindsight, I would advise not to get married in April or March, but 25 years ago, I was so shocked I got a pro team cheerleader to say yes, that I married her a month later.
Family was shocked. Friends felt we rushed into it.
I got to make babies with a cheerleader. I can’t complain. Still going strong.
April 19th, 2019 at 7:35 am
Not that I can go, but has anything changed with the draft party after recdnt events?
April 19th, 2019 at 7:58 am
I think the draft party will not allow minors…..
April 19th, 2019 at 8:01 am
Imo Oliver is not going to be very great in Nfl. His size, is one reason, character is another ( although not to worried about that art ) , biggest red flag are his numbers were not that spectacular for such a smaller school playing powerhouses in the American conference. To hell with measurable stuff in underwear. If he is so great then you mean to tell me he couldn’t dominate against “b” schools? Thats why imo White is the pick at 5, we can get good Dline prospect in rounds 2- 4 but our pick at 5 can’t miss and White is only can’t miss available at 5 imo.
April 19th, 2019 at 8:05 am
Joe,
I get it, you want a pass rushing DLineman.
Look, none of us are NFL coaches(like 1/2 the Bucs staff last year)
Bucs need to take the best defensive player on the board-
Oliver’s visit with Eagles did NOT go well…
White is not Nitschke, Butkus or Lambert- it’s a different era,
Trust the process(assuming Bucs have coaches that know what the hell they’re doing)
April 19th, 2019 at 8:15 am
Low man gets leverage. Just ask Sapp. Oliver would be an excellent pick
April 19th, 2019 at 8:19 am
Fix the trenches
April 19th, 2019 at 8:20 am
Why didn’t Oliver put up great numbers at small school?
April 19th, 2019 at 8:26 am
Unless either Bosa, Williams or Allen is still there, I still think we try to trade back with Cincy or Miami….get a guy like Wilkins in round 1 and Zach Allen in 2. Then use the extra 2nd rounder to shore up the Oline with a guy like Michael Dieter from Wisconsin or Kaleb McGary. Those guys would instantly upgrade both our lines.
Might even be able to move GMC for a second or third rounder to do more upgrades with. Get a good corner (Rock Ya Sin) or a new slot receiver (Andy Isabella, Terry McLaurin).
April 19th, 2019 at 8:30 am
Hopefully there will multiple looks in both 4-3 and 3-4 alignment. Since the next best linebacker on the team might be more of a hybrid backer, its possible that it will take more than a year to fully implement a 3-4 alignment.
April 19th, 2019 at 8:33 am
Wth the schedule we drew it won’t matter, we will have another high pick next year. And I’m an optimist. If I was a pessimist I’d say the first pick.
April 19th, 2019 at 8:37 am
Joe could you imagine white an LVD patrolling the middle. No more Kamara, McCaffery and freeman running or catching all over us
April 19th, 2019 at 8:48 am
I’m with Bonzai.
I don’t understand the 3-4 enough to make a knowledgeable guess as to what player attributes are necessary for success.
That said, my hopes for the first 3 rounds are DL, ILB and OG in no particular order and no particular player at those. Trading down seems to be the Best Bet for acquiring maybe 4 or 5 picks in the first three rounds, maybe 2 in the second round.
The draft is a crapshoot anyway. Every GM blows picks and makes genius picks.
April 19th, 2019 at 8:52 am
Bonzai
Not saying your wife is ugly…….. but I’ve seen many pro cheerleaders that looked pretty…….nasty.
But I’m sure you got a hot one.
And you’re very modest about it.
April 19th, 2019 at 8:58 am
Dan, I understand that some people don’t eat sleep and breathe football and that’s likely why you’re not up to speed on Oliver. Oliver was playing nose tackle at 280 pounds. It’s very difficult to rush the passer from NT. When asked to play 3 tech, he rated as one of the best pass rushers in college football. I would also like to point out that his numbers were astounding for a NT. Top NTs average 30 tackles a season. He also misses time last season if I remember correctly.
April 19th, 2019 at 8:58 am
#1buc I have to agree…
The fact that the NFC South has such great pass-catching RBs is even more reason to draft White… Usually when a LB is rated this high he’s almost a sure thing… Where as highly touted Top 10 DLinemen flop every year…
April 19th, 2019 at 9:06 am
You don’t trade a 3rd round pick to cut the player 2 years later. If that’s the case- nothing surprises me with Jason Licht. It’s even more surprising this dude has a job. Clearly Bruce Arians is the only reason he is employed. Wouldn’t have came here if Jason was not here Obvi.
Lmao we the only trash team with no cap space. That’s a common problem for playoff contenders. So beyond all the other problems he can’t even do the basics.
April 19th, 2019 at 9:12 am
Oliver would be my pick. if Oliver, Bosa and Q are gone, then ima be real sad.
April 19th, 2019 at 9:23 am
DanBucsfan Says:
April 19th, 2019 at 8:20 am
Why didn’t Oliver put up great numbers at small school?
he did dominate his freshman & sophomore year….but to answer your question as it relates to this year, its simple…..
-he played out of position(which also shows his versatility and willingness to help the team)
-he was constantly double teamed
-he was injured most of the season(showed he can play thru injury unlike bosa)
this “character issue” is a non factor…..lol…in 3years he had 1 spat with his HC that got blown out of proportion….
now why does devin white miss a lot of tackles and has tons of arm tackles?…..because he only played LB for 3years….lol….excuses excuses…..that was kwons issue as well…..too many arm tackles and too many misses…..
bottom line is if we select white instead of stock piling the dline, white will look more like zach thomas instead of patrick willis because olinemen will be getting to the second level blocking the sh!t out of him…..willis had a great front4 keeping him clean…..
pair VV with ed oliver and select tre lamar or vosean joseph in the 5round…..
last thing we need is this time next year crying, ” we have to get VV some help”…..
VV & Ed Oliver> VV & beau allen
#REALISTKNOWSNOTHING!!!!!….GO BUCS!!!!!
April 19th, 2019 at 9:30 am
I’m over here pulling a Ricky Bobby prayer session to 8lb 6oz Baby Jesus, that Light pulls either Josh Allen, Montez Sweat or Brian Burns off the board @ #5.
April 19th, 2019 at 9:31 am
#1bucsfan Says:
April 19th, 2019 at 8:37 am
Joe could you imagine white an LVD patrolling the middle. No more Kamara, McCaffery and freeman running or catching all over us
have you seen his coverage skills?…..3years 1int……not even meh….
thats why TB brought in d.bucannon…..he’ll be covering RB’s out the backfield along with LVD…..
#REALISTKNOWSNOTHING!!!!!….GO BUCS!!!!!
April 19th, 2019 at 9:31 am
Arron Donald was also “undersized” stop thinking about stereotypes and best fits. If a dude can ball he can ball.
April 19th, 2019 at 9:35 am
“doing the unthinkable”
But…
But…
It’s all Joe thinks about.
I’m getting something akin to a chemical dependence where I need to visit the site each day and read the anti-White rant. It’s kind of comforting.
April 19th, 2019 at 9:36 am
Mmm,so I’m starting to see posters admit not having a real understanding of base 3/4 scheme. I salute you all,I’ve stated a number of times the Tampa Times did a piece breaking down Todd Bowles 3/4. Great read. I don’t claim to be an expert on it I’ve just watched a number of 3/4 base defenses thru the years. Me and LUV briefly spoke of a few a few nights ago. I’ve seen enough to like I said two weeks ago LBrs are the driving unit behind a 3/4 base scheme. There are a few exceptions i.e JJ Watt in H-town and Richard Seymour with pats years ago. But even in those systems the LBs are the strength of that scheme.
April 19th, 2019 at 9:37 am
RJ White from CBS Sports put out an interesting 7-Rnd mock draft a couple days ago. He had Bucs drafting Josh Allen in the 1st Rnd then DE Tillery in the 2nd Rnd. It’s what transpires AFTER that which makes it ‘interesting’. He had us shipping JPP to Oakland & GMC to Buffalo for additional 3rd & 5th Rounders. After that he follows up with a RB, FS, CB, WR, RB & DE (in that order).
So no MLB. No RG. Essentially 3 DEs & 2 RBs plus 3 others. So we’d end up with pretty much a rookie DLine (after shipping out both JPP & GMC), no MLB & more rookies (FS & CB) to FIX our defense. And these people get paid to write this stuff? Duh.
April 19th, 2019 at 9:38 am
I also wonder if we have two Beasts What will Nassib look like
Elite players are great but the good players behind them make the team come to gether
April 19th, 2019 at 9:38 am
Stonebuc please sir Oliver is noooooowhere near Aaron Donald’s skill set. Misguided young man had the nerve to say he’s just as good if not better. Boi stop.
April 19th, 2019 at 9:41 am
Stonebuc Aaron Donald can play at that size because he’s freakishly athletic and his hand technique is phoenominal. He must be a Akido expert.
April 19th, 2019 at 9:43 am
I’m also concerned about Allen but I would be ok with White or even Bush. To me there are a lot more very good D-Linemen in this draft than LB. Also okay if they trade down. Need all the draft picks as we can get. Hope they find someway to keep Licht out of the draft room.
April 19th, 2019 at 9:43 am
Browse the archives you’ll see I’m big on Technique. Physical ability alone won’t get it in the NFL. Those who master the technical side are the ones that last and perform at the highest level.
April 19th, 2019 at 9:45 am
I think Bush is going to be really good only thing is he’s a weak side LB like LVD was. We must break this trend of drafting young men an immediately making them play out of position.
April 19th, 2019 at 9:53 am
nosnos
steven white did a big write up on ed olivers technique, footwork, hand combat, strength, physicality, versatility, IQ, quickness…..
it was a great read…..provided game film for each example…..i’ll take his word for it plus what ive seen live…..
oliver is closer to AD than you think…..and not just in size….
#REALISTKNOWSNOTHING!!!!!….GO BUCS!!!!!
April 19th, 2019 at 9:54 am
YouTube Pat Swilling,Greg Loyd,Kevin Greene if you wanna see some examples of how devastating a 3/4 scheme be. Folk moan about sacks or lack there of. An aggressive 3/4 kills QBs man.
April 19th, 2019 at 9:56 am
Okay 813 let me see if Joe will allow me load some film sessions that I’ve seen. He usually doesn’t. But I’ll give a try.
April 19th, 2019 at 9:56 am
Actually NOS he said “Arron Donald was also “undersized” stop thinking about stereotypes and best fits. If a dude can ball he can ball.”. Doesn’t sound like he saying Oliver is as good as Donald. We’re all allowed to have our own opinions on a player. Remember a couple years back you were going crazy all over these boards for Ogbah? How’d that turn out? He got 12.5 sacks… in 3 years… Ed Oliver would be a great pick IMO, and if you think he can’t use his hands, then go back to the film and watch his rip move. Dude is an athletic freak would love to have him on the team.
April 19th, 2019 at 10:12 am
Joe’s take on drafting a MLB is just dumb. We play in a division with 3 different backs used in the passing game that completely wear us out You think having LB’s that can run and tackle aren’t a complete necessity when Brees is tossing screens to Kamara? That will neutralize Ed Oliver all day.
Great MLB’s make a world of difference and I’ve been told by folks at LSU that see him day in and day out that this guy is great both on and off the field.
April 19th, 2019 at 10:15 am
Not a fan of Oliver who failed to lived up to his lofty expectations as a top recruit. And White is a definite reach at 5. Bucs are blowing smoke about their being 5 guys they would feel comfortable taking at 5. Every talent evaluator knows there are 3 top defensive guys. Bucs are holding out hope that either 2 Qbs are taken ahead of them which means they got one of the premier D players (Bosa-Williams-Williams) or if only 1 QB is taken then they get a trade offer to move down to the mid teens so they can take a White/Bush or a Clemson DL there.
April 19th, 2019 at 10:20 am
nosbos
film sessions on who ed oliver?…..i’ll do you a favor….
https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2019/2/21/18232987/nfl-draft-2019-ed-oliver-scouting-report-breakdown-pass-rusher
#REALISTKNOWSNOTHING!!!!!….GO BUCS!!!!!
April 19th, 2019 at 10:22 am
https://youtu.be/-bVmxgobfwU- that’s a fair an objective session.
April 19th, 2019 at 10:25 am
Madness screw how you feel dude. Especially when most film sessions are stating he projects to be a 3tech. I ain’t ever claimed to be an expert on this dude. Just voice my opinion is all. I told yo @$$ McCaffery was a glorified slot playing RB. And that what he is dude.
April 19th, 2019 at 10:26 am
THE REAL SHOCKER IN THIS DRAFT…
Is when the Bucs draft a QB in the first 3 rounds.
Could be Will Grier as early as the 2nd round.
The #1 way you get out of Salary Cap Hell is to replace a position being paid over $20M per year, and that’s Winston beyond this season.
April 19th, 2019 at 10:26 am
Oliver is who I have wanted the Bucs to pick all along. This guy has fantastic strength and incredible quickness.
April 19th, 2019 at 10:27 am
Vouch Lombardi has some fair but at the same objective sessions on him if you care to watch. Joe won’t allow me to load here.
April 19th, 2019 at 10:31 am
“Dude is an atheletic freak” an that’s about it. Every session I watch on him they show the same clips against Arizona or USF. Quick first step that’s about it. Again YouTube Voch Lombardi or Pff film session. They saying it not me,I work for a living. Ain’t time break people’s games.
April 19th, 2019 at 10:32 am
@NOS
If rushing for 1000 yards is a glorified slot WR, then can we have one of those LOL? You wanna talk film bro let’s talk film, if Ed Oliver is only a 3 tech then why is he playing NT at Houston and can be projected to play as a 3-4 DE? Have you seen his film?? Like at all? I’ve seen the guy drop back into coverage and make plays… at 280 lbs!
April 19th, 2019 at 10:32 am
It’s easy to look beastly against Lafayettetechmethodist university.
April 19th, 2019 at 10:34 am
Poor balance gets face planted often,lacks hand technique hard to disengage Olinemen onece they hands inside him.
April 19th, 2019 at 10:37 am
I just gave you two links on YouTube breaking his game down. Y’all like PFF round here that was one the other was VOUCH LOMBARDI. And someone saying he can do something at the next level when he ain’t that great at what he does in college don’t mean jack. Have you or anyone else seen him play any DE???
April 19th, 2019 at 10:39 am
And you conviently left out the 107 receptions.
April 19th, 2019 at 10:45 am
For 1,518 yards in 2017 and 867 in 2018. Glorified slot receiver like I said he was.
April 19th, 2019 at 10:46 am
I’m starting to believe Oliver is the pick.
I’m happy with bosa, Williams, Allen, white or Oliver to be honest.
Can’t miss.
April 19th, 2019 at 10:58 am
Nutter he very well could be. I’m just wondering where he fits bro??? 6’1 6’2 maybe??? 270lbs. That’s not typical 3/4 DE or 4/3 DE for that matter. And I can’t see BA using a 5th on what to me would be a 3 tech specialist for just nickle packages.
April 19th, 2019 at 11:10 am
@Nos hes had 1,518 yards in his career, in 2017 he had 651. If rushing for a 1,000 yards last year while catching another 800 counts as a glorified slot receiver then your not gonna be happy with the production of our current RB’s.
April 19th, 2019 at 11:11 am
As for Oliver, Have you ever seen him play period???
April 19th, 2019 at 11:18 am
I’m guessing those that don’t want Oliver have not seen any of his games. The guy is incredibly disruptive, strong, fast and very coordinated.
Teams were double and triple teaming him all year long.
Pick any random game over his three year career and I bet you would want this guy on the Bucs roster.
April 19th, 2019 at 11:33 am
We don’t need arm tackling White, we need someone who can disrupt at the line.
April 19th, 2019 at 11:50 am
Yeah usually i don’t comment much but cmon… the guy has been disruptive when used incorrectly as a NT, imagine what he could do in our one gap attacking scheme. If i has to guess we’ll be playing a hybrid defense/ flipping between a 4-3 Under and 3-4 one gap . He should fit our scheme fine.
April 19th, 2019 at 12:03 pm
@ NOSBOS
Thanks for giving the armchair Gm’s and those who know more about football than me some film to back up the claim of Oliver not being worth a high pick, not quarantined to be a star I’ll say. So let me get this str8, Oliver dominated in his first 2 years of small school talent. 1. I hope he didas he better against that talent. 2. If 5 sacks is what yall considered dominated then why y’all hate on GMC ? I think some of y’all think because you can Google some stats\ game highlights, that it makes you an expert.
@ whatthebuc
Thx for your analysis , I actually do like football alot and also feel I have a great understanding of positions. I am clearly in disagreement with you buddy well many for that matter. I just don’t buy into the Oliver hype train. Every year players are made out to be better than they are and every year its proven incorrect. I’m definitely not a fan who watches hours of ” game film” ill save that for those getting paid as I have a real job and real family. But I respect those who do, however I feel as my opinions are just as strong as the opinion of the fan who watches hours of game film. But in my reality, the competition you play against matters. I played ball and it was always lick my chop days when I played easier competition. So yes a LB from the SEC is a better gauge to the next level than a DT from the American about to hit the big leagues
April 19th, 2019 at 12:08 pm
I’ve seen a few Houston games. And IMHO Oliver is good but not great. Again , competition he went against was not that great
April 19th, 2019 at 12:09 pm
But hey if we take him I hope he is a real deal stud. Im a Buccaneers lover so whoever we pick I will cheer on and support.
April 19th, 2019 at 12:22 pm
Nosbos
True.
I’m sure bowles would figure something out though
But the closer we get the more I suspect Williams or Allen drops.
April 19th, 2019 at 12:26 pm
I keep hearing people tout Oliver’s film. I’m not hating at all, I just want to bring some levity to the conversation. Oliver played for Houston. American Athletic Conference, correct?! The AAC?! So, would it be fair to say he played against “inferior” competition.
I’m just asking.
April 19th, 2019 at 12:29 pm
nosbos
did you even look at the link i posted?…..lol…
steven white is breaking down everything your saying ed oliver cant do or isnt….lol….
and you talking about competition, as a freshman, he had 2 sacks against Big-12 champ Oklahoma and 2 more against Heisman winner Lamar Jackson…..
he dont make the schedule…..
#REALISTKNOWSNOTHING!!!!!….GO BUCS!!!!!
April 19th, 2019 at 12:31 pm
Oliver is strong (32 reps) and disruptive. He needs some coaching on getting rid of the OL, but who doesn’t.
April 19th, 2019 at 12:31 pm
Oliver would be such an amazing grab. Great hands, amazing speed, and doesn’t stop any which way until the whistle is blown (unlike another $100 million DT that plays for the Bucs). Put him next to Vea and we are gonna be seriously stacking QBs and RBs behind the line for the next decade if he comes through.
April 19th, 2019 at 12:33 pm
He probably shouldn’t have been playing NT at Houston, but that’s where they put him. The guy is strong and fast. He smartly took care of double teams. As a DE or DT, he’ll be fine.
April 19th, 2019 at 12:43 pm
Bucsfanman
“Oliver played for Houston. American Athletic Conference, correct?! The AAC?! So, would it be fair to say he played against “inferior” competition.”
Guy named JPP played for USF. If you can show some serious skills in any D-1 school or conference, it will likely not have a huge effect on your scouting. And AAC teams have begun to make a turn for the better.
April 19th, 2019 at 12:49 pm
nosbos
lol……are you serious….lol….voch lambardi….lol….what are his credentials?……where did he play college football?….has he ever been a coach?….lol….
obviously you enjoy entertainment….lol….
i rather take an opinion and research from someone who has played the game at the highest level vs someone who does these clips as a hobby…..lol….
first off, the film that voch has, shows ARZ running away from ed oliver and him getting double teamed early and often…..and he was still penetrating and being disruptive in the backfield….lol…..
second, it also showed he’s been playing out of position as a NT…..
c’mon man…..
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April 19th, 2019 at 12:55 pm
bucfanman
he couldve went anywhere in the country….lol….we wasnt a 2star and Houston was his only offer…..
he decided to stay home and try to change a program….thats the type of mentality we need…..
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April 19th, 2019 at 1:00 pm
There are other all one need to do is type in a film session. Many options pop up. Has he been disruptive against weaker talent yes. Will he be disruptive against top tier talent with suspect hands suspect balance suspect over technique. We’ll soon see.
April 19th, 2019 at 1:01 pm
Ed Oliver is a meaner version of 93. After that first step I don’t see much.
April 19th, 2019 at 1:03 pm
We’re not on the Bucs staff but we guess. Where is he playing in our scheme??? I’ve posed this question a number of times. Don’t care how great or not great he is. Where is lining up and how often???
April 19th, 2019 at 1:09 pm
An what you saying 813,you respect a person’s analysis if they have picture in some plastic saying they work for the NFL or a major network??? Me,I’m not like. Long as you sound like you know what you’re talking bout I’m good wit you. Sometime Joesmo be having that info.
April 19th, 2019 at 1:37 pm
@Nos
He will line up right at DT/DE. This defense is still going to play 4 lineman even though it’s a 3-4, sometimes one of the DE’s (or OLB/Jack whatever you wanna call it) is going to be asked to play with their hand off the dirt. Vea plays NT you can line up Oliver right next to him. When we move to a nickel or 4-3 he plays traditional DT. Not too difficult just ask him to attack.
April 19th, 2019 at 1:42 pm
You’ll still see the 4-2-5/3-3-5 it’s all the same sh!t just different variations.
April 19th, 2019 at 1:42 pm
813- Maybe so. Like I said, I’m not against Oliver. It’s just that he gets an awful lot of pub when are there similar players from better schools and conferences.
April 19th, 2019 at 2:11 pm
Madness I understand your position bro,but at 5 can we afford him there??? Your description sounds “ situational” bro. In a scenario where a team gameplans to go run heavy what is he doing then. It is your opinion he can play DE not a fact because there is no film to back your assertions.
April 19th, 2019 at 3:01 pm
nosbos
i respect everyone’s opinion but i take stuff from folks like you and voch with a grain of salt….lol…maybe 2 in this case….
if you want to talk about your health, you’re going to go to a professional doctor….someone who has experience and credentials….your not going to ask or believe what the yard man says…lol….
but idk….maybe you will…..lol…..as long as he “sounds like he knows what he’s talking about”…..lol….
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April 19th, 2019 at 4:25 pm
C’mon man,so you telling me the people in this world with knowledge are those that have attended some sort of institution??? You missing out on a lot then broski. A so-called bum on the street may have all kinds valuable insight on a broad array of topics. But you’ll never know cause you look at them and say to yourself he or she is a waste of your time. Me on the other hand,Ima slide’em a few chips maybe buy’em a sandwich and chop it up wit’em for a moment in passing. That’s how me and you are clearly different. You look down on some,where as I try and gather something useful from whom ever no matter how they appear on the surface.
April 19th, 2019 at 4:29 pm
I won’t be respond to or say anything to you ever again dude. You just shared quite a bit about your character. Me and Doohlarue take jabs at each other all the time but it’s cool wit me because he doesn’t come across a d$&@ biggit.
April 19th, 2019 at 4:30 pm
Phsst m,but this fool has the nerve to say Realistknowsnothing.. Wow.
April 19th, 2019 at 5:10 pm
nosbos
sure…i’ll slide him a few bucks….buy him a meal….but if he starts talking about money strategies, im taking it with a grain of salt…..lol….
would you let a child tell you how to be an adult?…lol….
again, maybe you would, if they sound like they know what their talking about right…..lol…thats called being naive….lol….
i dont look down on folks….that aint my style….but i dont believe every word that comes out their mouth either….
@realist doesnt know sh!t…..lol….
and obviously your in the same boat…..
now gather that info and use it “no matter how they appear on the surface”….
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April 19th, 2019 at 5:30 pm
Joe been screaming for a pass rusher wellEd Oliver is not that I’d take white over a undersized DT pass
April 20th, 2019 at 12:31 am
I don’t think Oliver is worth the fifth pic. Ninth yes.