Can Jameis Handle “The Brink?”
April 4th, 2019
Interesting 3 1/2 year old chatter from Bucco Bruce Arians.
Tampa Bay’s new head coach will have plenty of time on his hands this season since he’s giving up playcalling, Todd Bowles will do whatever he wants, and Arians’ deep dive into all personnel matters will be less intense after the spring.
Arians said he’ll spend more time with 1-on-1 teaching this year, and we all know plenty of that will revolve around firm lessons for America’s Quarterback, Jameis Winston. But will Jameis handle it well and push back to wave a white flag when necessary?
Consider what Arians said in 2015 when talking about Carson Palmer, via CantonRep.com. “I ask a lot of a quarterback. I push them right to the brink. He’s more than willing to learn. He knows when to put his hands up and say, ‘I’ve had enough.’”
Joe’s been doing — and enjoying — endless research on Arians and what’s clear is he’ll set an extraordinarily high bar for Jameis. Joe hopes Jameis is able to resist pressing and forcing things. Forget about trying to win every play at all costs, which is his nature, he might now try to impress his aggressive head coach at all costs.
Hopefully, the maturity shows up to balance everything out perfectly.
One good thing about Arians’ experience with Palmer is the 22 interceptions Palmer fired up in Year 1 with Arians’ 10-6 Cardinals back in 2013. Imagine if Jameis hurls 20 picks this season. Man, he better have enough team around him to go 9-7 or 10-6, too.
April 4th, 2019 at 12:03 pm
We will find out real soon just how good Jameis can be or not be. Good coaching should eliminate mistakes. Eliminate turnovers and penalties and this team will be a contender.
April 4th, 2019 at 12:11 pm
we’ll find out very soon….
#REALISTKNOWSNOTHING!!!!!…GO BUCS!!!!
April 4th, 2019 at 12:15 pm
Let’s look at the types of pass plays that result in interceptions.
If they are all long bombs, the chances of getting picked is high with a lot of QBs, simply because they have to throw the ball before it is clear if the safety will be able to make it to the area or if the receiver is running the right route. If Palmer threw 20 picks in 2013, it scares me, because Koetter was putting Jameis in the same situations, where he was throwing long balls pretty often. If the Bucs get behind, they are going to end up throwing more long balls.
It is almost a self fulfilling prophecy to say that Jameis will throw more interceptions in that kind of offense. I hope not, because I am confident that Perriman will practice with Jameis more than DJax did, so they should get the chemistry right early.
Anyway, let’s hope so. My zantac bill was pretty high last year, I would like to give my stomach a break this year.
April 4th, 2019 at 12:16 pm
Jameis has the hands of the Glazer’s ownership abilities, Jason Licht GM abilities, and Bruce’s QB Guru abilities in his pocket. JAMEIS FOR NFL MVP 2019!!!
April 4th, 2019 at 12:17 pm
Hell just play the way he did the last 7 games after he was finally put back in…
Over a full season those stats would have projected to 30+ TDs / 9 picks 4250 yards at 64% / 7.9 YPA.
Hell ESPN had him 8th in QBR last year even with his Cincy games/etc included in the entire picture.
BUt yeah we need to draft a QB because that’s our problem and they will be able to fix our 10 year era of horrific defensive play
April 4th, 2019 at 12:29 pm
BTFootball
I think someone just needs to teach Jameis some touch that goes with his arm. Jameis is a big body beast that throws with a rocket arm. That’s why he over throws guys because his arm and body are too powerful in general. It’s either under thrown or over thrown.
So now I’m very happy to see we got a guy that taught up two other man beast, future HOF QBs in Manning and Roethlisiberger
April 4th, 2019 at 12:32 pm
Arians has a similar offense to Koetters so I am guessing jameis is going to try and fit the ball in areas he has proven he is not on that level. I really hope that maybe arians does actually coach jameis and not hand him off to Clyde or Byron. I believe jameis can withstand the fact if BA actually breaks him downa nd builds him back up. I think jameis needs to get that QB coach george whatever out fo his system. What successful QB has jameis qb been a part of? So hopefully BA coaches the George QB Guru out of jameis
April 4th, 2019 at 12:34 pm
^^excuse me Peyton is already there^^
April 4th, 2019 at 12:40 pm
It’s far from being all on Jameis to win, also. He needs protection on the oline. I’m not one of these people that want a RB in rounds 1-3 because it’s a pass happy league and we have maybe the best receiver corp in the NFL. Chris Lindstrom round two. RT round five.
April 4th, 2019 at 12:53 pm
Why would you ever want anybody on your football team to push back and wave the white flag? You been hanging with McIceCream too much?
Jameis should ball out if that mean 20 or 100 int it don’t matter.
Let me be the first to say, even if jameis throws 100 ints the Bucs will make the playoffs AS LONG AS McIceCream is not on the team.
The first year McIceCream leaves the Bucs make the playoffs! Count on it!
April 4th, 2019 at 12:54 pm
“Difference between BA and Klueless play design is night and day
both are vertical offenses but you will see most of BAs routes are where receivers are isolated away from traffic in space
most of Klueless designs were seam patterns where alot of players are in that area
*You will see numerous plays where you think the defense broke down by themselves but will find out later it was all designed…
Kobe is hoping for numerous intermittent crossing patterns which will be JWs calling card”
Kobe Faker
April 4th, 2019 at 12:56 pm
It should be all on Jamies to win. He is the QB. It’s part of the job.It happens all the time in the NFL where a QB plays out of his mind and carries his team to victory.
If we are going to expect it every week we that means we are losing. Gotta win in different ways in this league……….But the great QBs carry their teams when needed……sorta like a cleanup hitter. Can’t expect em to mash every game. But the great ones will carry the whole team to victory once in a while.
April 4th, 2019 at 12:59 pm
SOEBUCS,
Jameis doesn’t over/under throw because His arm is too strong. Plenty of guys in the league with as strong or stronger arms who don’t have the same problem.
There’s a big issue with his footwork. Over/under striding causes the over/under throws.
When JW sets properly, keeps his feet under him and doesn’t have to “load” the ball low , as he’s prone to with deep throws, he’s been good with accuracy. There’s a few examples of absolutely great accuracy.
April 4th, 2019 at 1:03 pm
Good take on Jameis SOE, he is a fastball pitcher lacking touch.
April 4th, 2019 at 1:04 pm
Kobe…..I have been watching some of Bruce’s offense at work and rewached some Cardinals football.
Palmer some nice stat padding throws with WRs that found themselves in their own zip codes……..We didnt really get to see many wide ass open easy TDs under Dirk. A lot of our longballs seem to always be contested.
You’ll notice over history that the great offenses always seem to run into these wide open easy TDs…..not sure why. My best guess is magic.
April 4th, 2019 at 1:10 pm
Yes, Jameis can handle what BA will mentally throw at him.
What would be really interesting is…..getting some direct commentary from Licht and BA on their thoughts player by player after EACH of the 30 draft player visits that have occurred already, and continuing through the night of April 25th.
Getting feedback from those 2 will shed some light (albeit weak indications due to overt concerns on not revealing draft strategy directly) on which preference within each position group, and vaguely the round preference that we as fans might be able to interpret MORE than we have right now anyway.
That would be good…to hear about….
April 4th, 2019 at 1:15 pm
Blogtalk,
Actually, Winston didn’t go down field that much. Certain games He threw 90% within 15yds of Los. Other games more than 90%, but rarely did he go past 5 in a game.
His intercaptions, unfortunately, are less about the distance of the route targeted and more about things like eye discipline, locking into a reciever, footwork, release, pre and post snap reads. Lots of the issues come back to breakdowns in his fundamentals and others appear to be due to inadequate or inconsistent preperation. This is why BA has the potential to be very helpful in elevating Winston’s overall game.
April 4th, 2019 at 1:19 pm
Jamesis has no problem hitting any other receiver with the deep ball. The difference with his deep ball to Djax and Fitz deep ball is that Fitz puts a lot of air under the ball allowing the receiver time to adjust. I’m going he and Perriman get in a lot of work together and they click. I’d love to see Evans not go outta bounds so easily and his TDs and YAC will increase. Can we hurry and get this draft over with. I’m so ready for the season.
April 4th, 2019 at 1:30 pm
“JJ
Klueless never did any pick plays / flooding 1 side
Wide open plays are when defenders get crossed or lose there man
Klueless had no deception or motion…predictable
It was easy for defenses to figure out and they played soft but clamped down in the red zone”
Kobe Faker
April 4th, 2019 at 1:31 pm
“Hopefully, the maturity shows up to balance everything out perfectly.”
That’s the million dollar question! So far he hasn’t shown that. Let’s see if he has finally grown up.
April 4th, 2019 at 1:41 pm
Kobe. Dirk’s run game had no deception either.
Let’s line with 1 player behind the line. 1 RB in the game. Don’t think defenders had a problem figuring out who was getting the ball on a running play.
To top it off we will run 95% of those plays between the tackles.
April 4th, 2019 at 1:43 pm
All the defense gotta do is jam 2 LBs/S between the tackles and they are gonna penetrate and create a lot of TFL. Making your OL look stupid in the process.
April 4th, 2019 at 1:47 pm
If he gest 20 interceptions, he will not be on a bucs uniform next season, he will be a back pp somwhere else I guarantee you that Joe….
April 4th, 2019 at 1:48 pm
If JW gets 20 interceptions, he will not be a Buc the following season, no matter what….I guarantee you that Joe
April 4th, 2019 at 1:53 pm
Jameis couldn’t handle Fitz outplaying him for a few games no way can he handle the expectations of playing consistently well for a coach with a retired mindset
April 4th, 2019 at 1:54 pm
Dude has a problem with the deep ball not taking coaching
April 4th, 2019 at 1:55 pm
Jameis couldn’t handle having a successful backup, so I don’t know how he will handle the “brink”, or being in a “prove it for HUGE money” year.
April 4th, 2019 at 2:03 pm
Real gunslingers thrive on pressure…
April 4th, 2019 at 2:09 pm
Fitz couldn’t handle outplaying Winston which is why he went mental midget and got replaced because of interceptions.
April 4th, 2019 at 2:41 pm
JW said he wanted a coach that would chew him out. Careful what you wish for JW.
April 4th, 2019 at 2:41 pm
I’ll say it again. Jameis Winston had an epiphany the last 6 1/2 games of 2018 after he was benched. He saw that trying to win every play for a bad team was going to ruin his career so he changed. His TD/Int of 13/2 has never been that good over a 6 game stretch. Arians doesn’t have to worry about Winston. He needs to get a better run game, get a better pass catching back and improve this horrid defense that hasn’t given up less than 23 points a game since 2010.
April 4th, 2019 at 2:43 pm
Winton will always be the same. He will talk a big game and when the opportunity to make a bad throw comes he will make that bad throw. He wont change in year 5 folks so face the facts. It is another loosing season in front of us if we dont get a new qb
April 4th, 2019 at 3:24 pm
“Hear what BA is saying
Dont you hear the exact details that BA will be coaching JW?
Where was that from Klueless the past 4 years?
Klueless had no QB plan or approach
Klueless was a terrible decisionmaker/ people person/ COMMUNICATOR
JW had to decide byself to run more last year
where was the rollouts JW is great at the previous years? why did Klueless stop them?
klueless didnt know if djax wanted to or didnt want to return kicks. wtf?
fritz than JW than Fritz than JW
You develop a QB this way?
Klueless was over his head and …
JW QB DEVELOPMENT WAS WASTED THE LAST 2 YEARS ”
Kobe Faker
April 4th, 2019 at 3:34 pm
@Kobe
What’s frustrating is the things that work in the red zone are on tape for both us and other teams around the league.
Winston rolling out to be a threat to run in for a TD has been one of his best plays for consistently scoring and is a low risk play where worst case he can throw it away and not worry about a collapsing pocket/sack turtling us into a FG.
Pats/Eagles/Chiefs/etc all ran a lot of loaded side screens/rub routes/cross routes designed to force contact and get a guy open.
OJ Howard and Chris Godwin should have mis-match opportunity more often than not between Godwin on shorter slot CBs that he can out catch in traffic and Howard being able to basically roast any LB that tries to cover him on a crossing/out/flat route and still having the threat of him in the seam where Winston is pretty accurate between him/brate
April 4th, 2019 at 3:55 pm
We can’t have a decent back up because our QB to too fragile. Brink?
Hide the women and Uber drivers.
6-10 incoming.
April 4th, 2019 at 3:59 pm
The same morons talked about “the last four games of the year” LAST year are now the same idiots that are claiming “the last seven games” garbage.
Idiots.
April 4th, 2019 at 4:11 pm
“LC
I hope BA isnt opposed to JW picking a side and converting 3rd and short QB sneaks
i threw 2 bubble screen TVs out of my doublewide last year watching Barber starting 10 yards back and getting stuffed between the tackles
43 year old TB12 goes head first all the time and Klueless never called it. Klueless said JW wasnt good at it? wtf? JW is a tough SOB to bring down. Have him practice it and the Bucs should be converting them like carolina
Klueless was just a complete idiot”
Kobe Faker
April 4th, 2019 at 4:28 pm
THIS is the year Winston must prove himself….just like last year. And the year before that……..sheesh. I’m tellin ya…this train wreck will never take us to the Super Bowl. Never.
April 4th, 2019 at 4:50 pm
TREX,
Lol..I don’t hear anyone saying play like the first 10 games or the first 12.. suspension. .got it, benched..got that to…opening a season with above average play….missing that one….
April 4th, 2019 at 4:57 pm
Kobe,
After reading your numerous comments on the awfulness of koetters offense , the lack of creativity and ease of predictability. .I was with you…until…I remembered that the bucs finished 1 in offense and 2 in td passes per game. So I grasped a handle on reality and pulled myself out of kobeville aka fantasy trailer park..
Thing is I don’t like Dirks offense a bit.
April 4th, 2019 at 5:37 pm
Anonymous
Yeah it only took Jameis’ coaches 3 and 3/4 years to let him use his legs that were a big part of the Heisman. Finally Jameis said f#ck it. He knew the entire coaching staff is gone at the end of the year and said Ima do my own thing to get paid. Took a great turn after the SF game and I’m excited to see more because I do believe more is coming.
April 4th, 2019 at 5:46 pm
“First its a doublwide
2nd chicks dig the points not the passing yards
yards is the most overrated stat in the NFL
it is irrelevant”
Kobe Faker
April 4th, 2019 at 6:22 pm
T REX
If you wanna say 6-10, that’s all you, but smart folk know unless you’re Brady, defenses go deep into the playoffs and win championships. Don’t know if you realized we’ve had a little problem with defense the past few years. 15-yard cushion/second half A-BOMB Mike Smith defense hurts the offense A LOT. Just replaced entire sh!t show staff and brought in a bunch of good/great coaches on offense and defense. True Bucs fans will be waiting and watching this year unlike the bandwagon crew crying a river pre-draft.
April 4th, 2019 at 6:59 pm
The answer if he can handle the brink?
Short answer an easy NOPE?
I don’t think he will be able to handle it.
6-10.
Arians asks a lot of his qb,s and I think it will just confuse him and he will think too much and boom. It all blows up.
Bet?
April 4th, 2019 at 7:25 pm
D1, Good point about Jameis ‘s footwork . Have also noticed that
when he is on the run he seems to do better at planting his feet and pointing his body at the receiver. I remember a pass of 58 yards to Evans a couple of years
ago that was pretty accurrate which was aided by Evans made a nice effort coming back to Jameis.
And for Kobe, think of all YAC yards Evans lost coming back to Jameis or presenting a target as he and Vjax had to do in Jameis’s first year.
April 4th, 2019 at 8:46 pm
Build a O-line and a D-line….then you will really see The Famous One!
April 5th, 2019 at 12:01 am
joestang Says:
“We will find out real soon just how good Jameis can be or not be. Good coaching should eliminate mistakes. Eliminate turnovers and penalties and this team will be a contender.”
Exactly what this guy said at the top of the post.
I expect and…….. suspect Jameis Winston..my boyeeeeee will show up!!!
April 5th, 2019 at 12:03 am
thread, post, article, comments…it’s all the same with tequila!
🙂
April 5th, 2019 at 2:41 am
Arians is going to push Jameis in all sorts of ways. And one of the big differences between DK and BA is, DK was tied to winston, BA isn’t. His experience and reputation means he doesn’t have to work with a player, take one whose a bad fit, put up with anything including worrying if and when he’s getting fired by the owners . DK didn’t have those luxuries.
BA will flat out blast winston in front of the team. Which will be a new thing that tests Winston.
Zero coddling, and BA will have his back 100% , tough love. And Jameis has expended all those credits He earned from pop Warner to the #1 pick in the draft. They’ve all been used. Off the field, His crew throws endless hype around him and to him. I wonder if his hype boys are still attached to him, I really hope not. Jameis is young, rich and a star. Hard as all get out to actually be humble. Sounding humble is easy . a certain amount of fans will be ready to believe, why because they’re are fools. And fools are always ready to be fooled. I may be among that group as I think Jameis has been humbled by the events that started last year and ended with him being benched and many people questioning if He even be on the team moving forward. He never has had that type of experience before so it had to make an impression.
It’s not going to be easy but it will benefit him immediately. If He has learned from all it, and taken away a new perspective , coupled with a new coach, this could be a beautiful thing.
April 5th, 2019 at 8:36 am
He couldn’t handle a few cocktails and an Uber driver.
April 5th, 2019 at 11:46 am
Swim or drown kiddo