Bucs Fans Not Happy
April 29th, 2019
Bucs fans seem despondent.
The fun thing about the NFL draft is drama and suspense and, of course, hoping your team got the right players at the right positions to prevent losing in the future.
Now the choice of Devin White split Bucs fans. Seemingly half were wildly excited; the other half were depressed as the Bucs passed on a rare opportunity to grab a highly-rated guy at perhaps the most important position on a defense.
(Joe has noticed a pattern with Bucs drafts: If a draft is believed to be heavily stocked at the top at one position, the Bucs ignore it and go elsewhere, only to regret it down the road.)
Even those who couldn’t sleep Thursday night from the excitement of the White selection (he sure seems to be a good player and his personality is off the charts, but this guy might have to be Lawrence Taylor, Dick Butkus and Ronnie Lott rolled into one the way the Bucs talk about how he is a do-everything guy) quickly lost interest if not faith in the Bucs as the draft transpired.
The Bucs, in a perverse way, found wonderful ways to hack off and disappoint just about every fan.
For the fans who habitually bellyache for an offensive lineman, they didn’t get their man.
For people who slam empty beer mugs on the bar demanding a decent running back, they didn’t get their man.
For people who scream themselves hoarse to draft an edge rusher, they didn’t get their man.
Instead, those fans received a headache or an upset stomach. Maybe both. One intense Bucs fan called Joe on Friday night and said he looks forward all year to the draft but he was so depressed he had to turn it off.
For Joe, it was weird. After watching the Bucs pass on a pass rusher with their first two picks and then trade back in the third round, the draft became like a scene on TV a couple of weeks ago when Joe watched the living time capsule Notre-Dame de Paris Cathedral burn. This time it was the future of the Bucs’ franchise in a bonfire and there wasn’t a damn thing Joe could do to help save it.
Joe witnessed the Rams pick Memphis running back Darrell Henderson in the very spot the Bucs vacated in the third round. At that point, Joe just threw his arms in the air and surrendered.
Oh sure, Bucs fans always gripe about this player or that player drafted each year. But Joe has never sensed the universal depression that Bucs fans seem to have about this spring’s draft.
Time will tell if this rookie class will help transform the Bucs into winners. Right now, a playoff berth seems farther away in the horizon than it did five days ago.
April 29th, 2019 at 8:07 am
2 starters (picks 1&2 )
and a kicker
the DE a rotational guy only because we don’t have anyone better
the WR will be a PS guy in 2019 at the most
the DB out of Auburn has had 3 knee surgeries
April 29th, 2019 at 8:09 am
Joe
It’s time for you to accept reality that glazers have no intention of fielding a winner nor do they ever intend to compete at a nfl level consistently…..
April 29th, 2019 at 8:12 am
Relief is on the way.
Vincent Testaverde has been invited to rookie camp.
April 29th, 2019 at 8:13 am
Bucs moved up in round 4 to draft a DE that had 9.5 sacks last year.
April 29th, 2019 at 8:16 am
Meh, most drafts I think are great right after and they’ve all sucked. So maybe its a good thing this draft has no buzz about it.
April 29th, 2019 at 8:22 am
I got my brown bag ready……………
April 29th, 2019 at 8:23 am
Really hoped and had optimism that Licht would be the GM to finally get the Bucs back on track. After this train wreck of a draft, all hope for him has been lost. He better hope Arians works some coaching magic to save his arse.
April 29th, 2019 at 8:23 am
Some buc fans not happy. I guess we will have to wait till the season starts before everyone realizes that we have completely switched our defensive schemes. Everything every player has done in the previous regime doesn’t matter anymore. We should forget what some of these players have not done in the past. If you look at a company and 2/3 people are having issues it is most likely on them. But if you see a company where 80% of people struggle it’s kore on direct management. And that’s how I look at Bucs. It is MORE likely then not that the 80% of draft picks last 4 years have struggled are because of coaching/development, not because they are bad players. And if that ends up being true, then our expectations for Bucs is 10-11 wins. Mike Smith was the worse defensive coordinator with Bucs maybe in recent nfl, and the head coach kept him and gave him a extension, that should tell you all about the coaching. The Bucs are going to play press man zero coverage on receivers so they need 5 corners because they are not going to change their defense because of injuries. More importantly, the defensive front 7 strategy is so much more different, maybe what we have is already the right mix. If your worries about all the one year deals, all I see is comp picks and 70 million under cap in 2029. This is the time to be optimistic, the doom and gloom should saved for November…if it’s needed
April 29th, 2019 at 8:25 am
Count me one of their number Joes.
This draft was an Obamanation. Just horrific.
I don’t think I see a single pick where I think “wow, good
Value there.” Even Nelson, I think….”meh, I don’t see value there at that position”
Literally every other pick there were better players with more value at positions of need.
I don’t see this draft changing the fortunes of the future.
No RB, no OL, no pass rush, just depth guys everywhere and a MLB who probably comes off the field on third down…
April 29th, 2019 at 8:26 am
Only time will tell. GO BUCS
April 29th, 2019 at 8:26 am
It’s good time to be a Jaguar fan. They grabbed DE Josh Allen and OL Jawaan Taylor after we passed on them.
April 29th, 2019 at 8:27 am
The Bucs have more needs than the draft can fix. If one has an unrealistic expectation that the draft will fix all roster woes, then of course one will be disappointed. I’m not a fan of Jason Licht at all. But, I’m not ready to condemn this draft before the rookies even take the field.
April 29th, 2019 at 8:27 am
One thing for sure is that the Bucs secondary has to get better. When you are giving up 72% pass completions and no other team is over 70% that is a problem. Also the Bucs gave up 82% when a LB was mainly in coverage. Hence the White pick. Giving up 29 points a game like in 2018 is a guarantee to being another 5-6 wins. Get it down to 24 and an 8 or 9 win team comes into focus. Get it down to 20 and maybe 10 wins is realistic. Time will tell.
April 29th, 2019 at 8:30 am
@kalind Why would white come off the field off the field on 3rd? He can cover an blitz. White most likely will never leave the field I hope he has endurance for days lol
April 29th, 2019 at 8:32 am
Suppose White performs to expectations, Bunting and Edwards turn into starters that are better than we have now, the kicker can kick, Nelson becomes a solid rotational DE – all possible. I’d be happy with that draft
April 29th, 2019 at 8:32 am
The team that already has Todd Gurley thought moving up for RB Henderson was to good to pass up. You would think we were in more need of a RB there, still are, but decided to let L.A. have the talented back. That won’t come back to bite us I’m sure. When Dot, Cappa, and Benenoch continue their struggles this year I’m sure we won’t regret passing on Risner either, we’re good.
April 29th, 2019 at 8:37 am
Joe witnessed the Rams pick Memphis running back Darrell Henderson in the very spot the Bucs vacated in the third round, then Joe just threw his arms in the air and surrendered.”
Amen!
It was a minor miracle that 1st Team All American RB Darrell Henderson fell to the 70th pick. The LA Ram’s boy genius GM conned Gump into giving him up for two magic beans. The 94th and 99th pick even though they had 2 better 3rd round picks in their pocket.
Henderson had 2300 yards last year for Memphis and 27 TD’s. Despite playing behind the coach’s favorite Pollard. One game where Pollard was banged up, DH was allowed to return kicks he took one 95 yards to the house. Desean Jackson anyone???
Of course at 5’9″ DH was 2″ shorter than ideal. You have to have the ideal measurement for the Arian Nation. No players with one eye, depressive paralysis, politically incorrect names or cripples with 3 bad knees. They all must be fast, fast, fast because MJ Stewart is too slow and can’t cover crossing routes
Of course, the Bucs had no need for a Touchdown Machine since Gump believes the Bucs had one of the greatest offenses of all time and were nearing 99% Red Zone efficiency. The Bucs must also be one of the finest kick return teams starring Adam Humphries. Oops!
April 29th, 2019 at 8:37 am
Title should be “Bucs fans in JoeBucsFan.com aren’t happy”. They never are, nor does it seem admin is. Other boards seem less pessimistic. But, truthfully, could there be a board more pessimistic then this one?
April 29th, 2019 at 8:41 am
Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t Joe’s poll indicate that fans liked the Devin White pick 60% to 20%……now, Joe….I’m no math wiz but that doesn’t look like half to me.
As far as the rest of the draft…..yes, there were huge unmet expectations…..we will likely never know everything that was behind the decision making….perhaps we were going to go Oline with our 2nd pick but 3 or 4 we liked were already chosen…..so we went CB.
A change to RB or Oline with the extra 3rd round pick would have changed this entire draft….but who is to say that Mike Edwards won’t be a great Buc?
[There was also a poll before the draft where picking a pass rusher or a linebacker was a dead heat between the two. – Joe]
April 29th, 2019 at 8:43 am
Didnt like the draft but I’m glad now. Ive liked others and theyve laid eggs. Bowles is gona get pressure somehow I know that. The team already had talent just terrible coaches. Lets see what good coaches can do.
April 29th, 2019 at 8:45 am
What Fartman said.
April 29th, 2019 at 8:47 am
I think the most disappointing thing to fans is we all know the foundation of a good team is the offense and defensive line. The Bucs had opportunities to address both areas, but choose to pass over those players while a lot of the more successful franchises drafted linemen.
April 29th, 2019 at 8:48 am
whatever happened to the ” best player available” strategy…..can Bud Licht AND BA possibly convince us ” dumb ass ” fans that the kicker in rd 5 was the BPA? This is a drastic situation and the Glazer boys, aka “twiddle Dee and twiddle dumb”, should have brought in a president of football operations to straighten this mess out They should never, ever hire anyone on the football side ever again!!! They need to disappear and only sign the checks…nothing more. Put a genuine and qualified football guy in charge to fix this ….
April 29th, 2019 at 8:48 am
1bucfan,
Someone has to come off. Is it 4mil a year Buchanan? Lavonte? Or do you leave all 3 out there and have one safety?
Only get 11 guys to cover 3 WRs and a RB and TE.
So it’s white or Buchanan..you do you think is better covering folks?
It’s just a guess that they take him off, but I don’t see how he stays out there in a 3 or four WR set
April 29th, 2019 at 8:49 am
Las Vegas odds are out and the over under on Buc’s draft picks that make the opening day roster is……….2 1/2.
I’m taking the under.
White and if they can get a roster exemption for that disabled guy.
April 29th, 2019 at 8:49 am
I wasn’t thrilled thought the draft was ok…until they selected a kicker. I just stopped following after that selection. I hope that I don’t hear anything about a kicker until real games this Fall. However, I totally expect the media to torture fans everyday by closely covering every meaningless kick in camp.
April 29th, 2019 at 8:53 am
What is the deal with licht drafting guys with bum knees, this is the 3rd year in a row that he has done this
April 29th, 2019 at 8:55 am
Joe’s poll on Devin White…..60% in favor……20% opposed……20% don’t know.
Doesn’t look like half disapprove to me……FAKE NEWS!!!
April 29th, 2019 at 8:56 am
A kicker in the 5th that would have gone undrafted so they could have taken in 7th to lock him up. (Especially after Aguayo fiasco)
I have zero faith in Licht anymore
Dude doesn’t know how to play poker at all.
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With that said , I am stoked for the season. Ready to go. Can’t wait to see Devin white run around the field.
April 29th, 2019 at 8:56 am
Joe is scraping around looking for reasons to complain. Joe himself reported weeks ago that BA said “we have our rb” in Barber, yet Joe is shocked the Bucs didn’t spend a third rounder on an Rb? When the entire secondary is a dumpster fire? A dumpster fire so bad it’s almost the worst in NFL history? Really??!
What do you people want? The Bucs to run out week 1 with the same historically terrible secondary??! Literally the only hope was to throw picks at the problem in the hope at least one, hopefully two end up as decent starters. Otherwise it was going to be another year of watching as the opposition hangs 40 on us every week. A third round running back is part of your solution to this problem?! LMAO.
Joe. Buddy. You’re on tilt. Take a breather. Collect yourself.
April 29th, 2019 at 8:56 am
disappointed to say the least…..
GO BUCS!!!!
April 29th, 2019 at 8:58 am
I called the need to draft DBs soon as the season ended. No D coach on earth could utilize the “talent” we had in our secondary with any effect. No press. No bump and run. Sometimes if not most 5+ yards off the line. It means we didnt trust our DBs. This draft will have an immediate effect. So far I give it a B. We still need a few UDFA/cut players etc additions. Definitely need a solid RB and G.
April 29th, 2019 at 8:58 am
SCBucsFan
It could be the other boards are more for you!! Most here don’t wear rose colored glasses and see that Jason gets schooled by other GM’s consistently! I missed 2 home games in our first 25 years, and everyone who knows me thinks I’m the most optimistic (glass half full) person they know. Meathead has proved his ineptitude year in and year out! Time for a change! ( but not for Gettleman) lil. The Giants can keep him
April 29th, 2019 at 8:59 am
Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Seasons: 44 (1976 to 2019)
Record (W-L-T): 260-415-1
No playoff appearance in 12 seasons
Last place in NFC South ( 8 of 10 past seasons)
This is the results of 44 years of poor drafting
April 29th, 2019 at 9:02 am
I’ve never owned, managed, or coached an NFL team. I’m not gonna sit here and pretend I know better than Bruce Arians what the bucs need, and neither should you. Now when the season comes, if the team sucks, then we can criticize and be pissd off. Between 2007 and 2012 the Pats drafted a Corner, safety, and two LBs. How have they done since? Our DLine did better than it had in nearly a decade last year and yet your sitting here crying that we didnt get a pass rusher. Go back and watch Nassib, JPP. And Vea towards the end of the season, they were all balling out. Chill bucs fans, chill.
April 29th, 2019 at 9:03 am
Easy to doubt our GM he has given us every reason to! As #1 Bucsfan said time will tell, time will also tell if other picks looked terrible because they are terrible or because the coaching was terrible. In years past players from good Tampa2 defenses when to new teams and they to looked like trash but shined in Tampa…
April 29th, 2019 at 9:03 am
This draft was way different from previous drafts. I love the Devin White pick. Not over joyed with the 2 CB’s, the DE and Safety seem solid as well as 6 and 7. The only head scratcher is the kicker in rd 5 when we could have got him later. The trend I see is guys that are not major stars but have worked thier tails off and are not afraid to sacrifice thier bodies to play fast and physical. I will hold my judgement until I see the products on the field. Long time and loyal BUC fan.
April 29th, 2019 at 9:04 am
What Lakeland says! Agreed!! Enough said!!! Our Fans are tired of our front office ineptitude for 95% of the Bucs existence!!
April 29th, 2019 at 9:05 am
I didn’t love it but I get it. We are switching to base 3-4 we don’t need so many DL anymore.. If anything we might be trimming some as BA said he wants us faster on special teams. Less DL’s more LB’s/DB’s as we saw in the draft.
Bowles ran Nickel and big nickel over 70% of the time with the Jets we needed more DB’s period. Throughout most of our games, we will be running 3 corners or 3 safeties at any given time. The group of DB’s we had sucked not to mention we had no depth. We could not run the system Bowles wants to run unless we drafted this way.
Personally, I wanted a pass rusher but White’s cover skills are great I don’t think this guy is coming off the field even with Nickel situations. It will be LVD and White on the field at all times. Not a bad combo if you ask me.
April 29th, 2019 at 9:06 am
Running game is still no 1 concern- not addressed in draft.
White, Barrett, David at LB- big upgrade
Secondary picks- alot more speed and physicality- blitzing scheme
Picking a kicker in 5th round wouldn’t seem so bad if not for Aguayo disaster.
DLine has some players who can occupy OLine – leave the pass rushing to blitzing LB’s and secondary
Main issues are turnovers and penalties-become a more disciplined team.
April 29th, 2019 at 9:08 am
Bold Bold Bold decisions in this draft. Bold. Either they’re really right or Licht is looking for a job in 8 months. I think it’ll be pretty clear. I hope, I really really hope our ignorance as fans show and these guys expose us as a bunch of couch potato know nothings, but it seems to me at first blush this whole Arians experiment will be short lived.
April 29th, 2019 at 9:11 am
Jameis is our only hope.
April 29th, 2019 at 9:14 am
Another observation in the Play Offs a few months back….there was one team that on defense went out of traditional fronts on several occasions with DB’s replacing LBs….just saying maybe an experimental trend speed over power
April 29th, 2019 at 9:14 am
It seems the Bucs are always drafting in the top-10
This team should be loaded with talent
No excuses!!
April 29th, 2019 at 9:14 am
Speaking for Pablo
“JBF posters haven’t heard from Pablo in a long while…..Pablo has been embarrassed since Pablo’s homeboy, Roberto did a “mierda” with Pablo’s Bucs. Pablo was excited that Cairo Santos got the kicking Job…..but now Hason Licht has drafted a kicker to try to replace Santos…..Pablo is depressed”
April 29th, 2019 at 9:14 am
I’ve officially heard it all. Now fans are swooning over a RB who played in a conference with the worst defenses in all of college football? 2300 yards against the likes of Mercer, Georgia State, and South Alabama. Please.
Get a grip people.
April 29th, 2019 at 9:14 am
The selections in this year’s draft by the Buccaneers to address the secondary are an indictment on draft picks from previous years by Backstabbin’ Jason Licht. How anyone thinks the Backstabber is a good GM is shocking to me. This is the 3rd year in a row where the Bucs have had to address the secondary. The Jason Licht reign of terror continues with no end in sight.
I don’t have a strong opinion either way on the draft picks until I see them on the field and coached by this superior coaching staff. My opinions on this year’s draft have everything to do with the boneheaded decisions by the Backstabber in previous drafts.
April 29th, 2019 at 9:22 am
Running game was addressed. It’s called Bruce Arians and staff. Also, as Jason said, the roster is not complete yet. I’d rather grab a vet at RG that can step in and contribute now then pick a kid early and hope it works.
April 29th, 2019 at 9:29 am
Jaboo and I think, right or wrong, they have faith in RoJo
April 29th, 2019 at 9:33 am
Boo Hoo…the sky is falling.
But really…. we are basing this all on what guys like Kiper are saying. We have a new HC…a new DC…both proven commodities in the coaching field. They conferred with Licht and ranked these guy. They signed off…at least. But now the Boo Hoo crowd throws all faith in the only real proven coaches we have had here since TD and JG, and are certain we messed again. Personally, I hold the Glazers, Licht, Arians, and Bowles responsible, and accountable for these picks. The practice squad also has some projected mid round “diamonds in the rough”. So we will see. I told you that Rah and Lovie would do nothing with the team. That Koetter wasn’t HC material the season following his debut. Give Arians and Bowles a year or two. LIcht? Thin ice…last chance for him.
April 29th, 2019 at 9:33 am
OC Bryon Leftwich
OC of the worst offense in the NFL last season
QB Coach Clyde Christensen
The Bucs fired him 18 years ago
Piss-Poor O-Line
CFL RBs
I’m sure Jameis Winston is elated!!
April 29th, 2019 at 9:36 am
When I say “practice squad”, check out a few of the UDFA’s…
April 29th, 2019 at 9:37 am
@Joe … “the other half were depressed as the Bucs passed on a rare opportunity to grab a highly-rated guy at perhaps the most important position on a defense”. Wow, just wow Joe. Talk about sour grapes. Pout pout pout. Instead of getting behind this group of draft picks & helping JBFers try to get a picture of what lies ahead, all I’m seeing is sniping. Unbecoming to say the least.
It was time for Koetter & Smitty to go. What they were doing wasn’t working … period. Two back-to-back 5-11 seasons, with horrid defenses, kinda gives us all a clue. Change was necessary … duh. So we land a seasoned, experienced, successful HC who brings with him a seasoned, experienced staff and you cry when he/they don’t do what you think they should do?
Guess what … they didn’t draft who I wanted them to draft either. Wanted Q Williams or White at #5, then a DLineman or MLB (see #5), Olineman & RB out of the next 3. Was ecstatic with the Devin White pick but very befuddled with the next 3 picks. Even though they weren’t who I wanted, they make sense in light of fixing this defense. We were a SLOW TEAM and we need SPEED – SPEED – SPEED to run Bowles hybrid defense. I get it. And right now, I REALLY hope it works, because it’ll be super-exciting to watch if it does. If not, prepare to welcome the next DC.
But folks, the Fat Lady hasn’t sung yet (for those who remember Kate Smith?). We’re a LOOONG WAY from our final 53-man roster. Something tells me that those who survive this training camp will come to believe that Bear Bryant’s ‘Junction Boys’ had it easy.
April 29th, 2019 at 9:38 am
Lakeland…should be loaded with talent. And I think some of the talent has been sleeping the last year or two under Koetter. He was a poor HC, and many of his other coaches were substandard. We will know a ton more this time next year.
April 29th, 2019 at 9:39 am
Prediction: 6-10…Licht Fired and Arians re-retires with mystery illness.
We are re-arranging chairs on the deck of the Titanic.
Anyone who thinks this team is going anywhere is a blind homer or has severe brain damage.
April 29th, 2019 at 9:43 am
You think guys like Hargraves have been playing “up to their potential”? No way. We haven’t had solid proven HC’s and AC’s in over a decade. And that is part of the problem… Arians and Bowles know what they have, or at least the untapped potential of these guys. But many have either been dogging it or learning as they go with weak coaches and a HC that doesn’t have their back in game situations. Let’s see what we have this year…. at least we have some solid coaching going on from top to bottom.
April 29th, 2019 at 9:44 am
Hope You are WRONG T Rex!!! But your glasses seem to be clear with NO rose colored tint!
April 29th, 2019 at 9:47 am
Loved the pick of White but after that, hmmmm.
At the worst the secondary has been addressed. Hopefully can get some production out of the 9-10 top DBs on board.
WR Anthony Johnson is a steal from the undrafted crew.
The defensive front is a mystery to me. Is Nassib an OLB or 34 DE? Same for JPP?
Miller is intriguing, speed and somewhere he was noted to have great hands.
Bunting, Dean and Edwards are going to define the success of this draft.
April 29th, 2019 at 9:49 am
Seems whenever the Bucs have “won” the offseason – bolstering hope that “this year we will be much better” – it all turns south and the winning never occurs.
So maybe “losing” the offseason means the Bucs will WIN this year instead – and it will be all the sweeter – because nobody thinks the team will be any good this year.
This I know.
The Buccaneers defensive back 7 received a major boost of speed and talent the last few days as did the Special Teams.
What mainly caused the Bucs to lose the last couple years? Bad play by the Defense and Special Teams…. Right?
April 29th, 2019 at 9:50 am
T Rex…we could go 6-10. The schedule is brutal. I hope not. But I think you will see a number of young guys step up and give us real hope for the future… something we haven’t had for a decade. Other than a few good short stretches, it has been brutal. And no one could ever mistake our team for one that would be more than one and done, if we even made the playoffs.
April 29th, 2019 at 9:55 am
Agree Pickgrin…add that to a much higher level of coaching and accountability, and I think it will be a much better team. The schedule is brutal, the timing and losing a home game. But the league never did us any favors, did it.
And who knows how well we really drafted? Most of the “experts” don’t make a living evaluating these guys, and certainly don’t coach them up, develop them, and put them on the field…they make a living telling you what they hear or read. That is more knowledgeable that what I have…but really…thumb through their old predictions…they aren’t that much more accurate than most of us are.
April 29th, 2019 at 10:03 am
The Bucs are the easiest team in the NFL to predict
They are perennial Bottom Feeders
Just pick them to lose and you win
April 29th, 2019 at 10:07 am
Agree with Pickgrin: Bucs are notorious for winning the offseason, Buc fans rejoice, bloggers sport wood…then it all collapses.
I will have faith in this coaching staff until they have proven on the field on Sundays they don’t deserve the faith.
Chill, people, adults are finally in charge.
I just read an “expert” evaluation on Patrick Mahomes before the draft, saying the guy was erratic in college, inaccurate, makes terrible decisions, runs too quickly and was destined to be a bust, score C-. Ignore the “experts.”
April 29th, 2019 at 10:08 am
Are we going to be “entertained” by months of the Joes expressing butthurt every day?
April 29th, 2019 at 10:08 am
The Bucs have been perennial Bottom Feeders…with a “HC in training” cast, ranging from Good Buddy Rah, to Sgt. Schiano, to Last Decade Lovie, to kill them with kindness Koetter. Now we have a proven commodity at HC, and his “magnificent seven” staff, that has arrived to get the ship upright and eliminate the slackers. Let’s see how it plays out. We were bottom feeders for good reason…some of those are no more.
April 29th, 2019 at 10:08 am
I do not understand the bellyaching about the 5th round pick of a kicker, yes Joe says he could have been available as a UDFA. Key word is could. Have we not needed a kicker? Was it a 2nd round pick no. I would have been majorly upset if Licht had picked another kicker in 2nd round. Licht did not he chose a kicker in round 5. In most of us Bucs fans minds we all know where and what round our GM should draft players yet we are not the boss sitting in the GM chairs. Maybe it was the new Head Coach who has asked his GM to choose the players we drafted. Does that make GM Licht bad or is he just trying to provide the head coach with what he has said he wants and needs this season.
Draft is done for me and I am excited to see what they all add to our team. I would have liked a new shiney Guard for our Oline, but we did not draft that. Oh well.
Go! BUCS!!!!!
April 29th, 2019 at 10:14 am
Rusty…wasn’t there another Kicker chosen, as I remember? I think the Browns selected one later in the 5th round. So no, he might not have made it past the 5th round.
April 29th, 2019 at 10:16 am
I think joe is the one butt hurt because it’s in every article. You call it a bad draft right after because you likely think you know how to draft on madden so why didn’t the bucs follow the fan model lol. It’s not a bad draft yet the players haven’t taken the field yet and joe is supposed to be talking people off the ledge. You should know better joe, we all know you’ll block the ones who can’t wait to say I told you so to you draft guru
April 29th, 2019 at 10:24 am
Rusty.. look at our UDFA Zach Bailey…off an injury, but I think he is a guy we could develop and wouldn’t be surprised at all if he made the team or at least the PS.
April 29th, 2019 at 10:25 am
@Cobraboy … “Are we going to be “entertained” by months of the Joes expressing butthurt every day?” I commented a very similar thought on this article earlier but apparently Joe didn’t like the sentiment, so it disappeared. Maybe it was my use of the words ‘pouting’ and ‘sniping’ that threw it over the edge.
April 29th, 2019 at 10:31 am
I’m all with jaboo and SCBucsFan on still having some faith in Rojo… but with no changes to our OLine thru the draft or free agency I’m concerned he will still have a hard time finding the holes needed for his running style! I’m sure he has worked hard this off season on receiving… but unless the new OLine coaches work some major Magic I’m still concerned for his success with us and his confidence quickly deteriorating again
April 29th, 2019 at 10:31 am
Worse fans EVER! You guys AND ESPECIALLY JOE DONT’ KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT ANY OF THESE PLAYERS PICKED, SO SHUT UP ALREADY!!!!!!!!
April 29th, 2019 at 10:32 am
homer! ^^^^
April 29th, 2019 at 10:40 am
I could care less or not if the fans are happy. If the picks do not work out, the fans grab the morning coffee and go to work. the players and coaches put careers online. Let’s wait and see if the personnel fit the scheme.
April 29th, 2019 at 10:41 am
chargedcbh
But we do the team is an embarrassment bssed on actual results…. anyone with faith or hope for this small market minor league franchise is beyond delusional and clearly walking a fine line between reality and the Baker act
April 29th, 2019 at 10:47 am
As one of the WORST fans ever, please tell me what the bucs have done to make you feel positive about the season? Not addressing the OL or running backs? The drafting of a kicker after signing 2 in the off season really has me screaming NFC South champs. The bucs lost 3 good players and did nothing to replace them, 5-11 team not improving
April 29th, 2019 at 10:52 am
I’m arguably higher on RoJo than most JBF’ers (I remember Melvin Gordon’s dismal rookie campaign and talks of “bust!”…we see how that situation has turned out, so there’s hope), so passing on a RB in round 3 didn’t hurt me as bad as some. Passing on an earlier DE/DT or OG pick probably rankled me more. Just gotta accept the reality and hope the new coaching staff knows exactly what they’re doing. Hell I’ve been happier post-draft with a few previous Licht era drafts only to be heartbroken with the results on the field in the Fall, so who knows…maybe we look back and say this was the rookie class that helped turn around the team’s fortunes?
April 29th, 2019 at 11:04 am
What I see is a much needed philosophy/locker room change. Out goes Kwon (who tweeted to a fan that he didn’t care if fans were there or not, because he’d get paid anyway).
Maybe some of you remember the late 90’s/early 2000’s at RJS and the Ol’Sombrero. Sapp, Mr. Derrick Brooks, Ronde, and John Lynch said they were tired of losing and CHANGED it. RJS had a 10+ year waiting list for seats because we had captains at every level of defense who were good players. Now, look at this draft and tell me if you see any similarities?
April 29th, 2019 at 11:13 am
This is going to go down as one of the best drafts in Bucs history. Sorry but it just is.
This draft is completely STACKED with the combination of leadership, intelligence & athleticism in a way that is going to impact this team immediately.
If you don’t see it and just jumping into a sea of negativity.. that is certainly up to you.
But this was a damn good draft.
You will see.
Good night now. 😉
April 29th, 2019 at 11:13 am
This most disappointing thing about the draft is we didn’t cut likes to play dress up Geraldine McCoy.
April 29th, 2019 at 11:21 am
Joe,
Well said!When i saw the Bucs trade back (24) spots in the round I lost my mind.Then the Rams get Henderson in that spot ,I gave up.
How many misses on DBs do you have to have before finding a few. that can play.
Im sooo disgusted with this draft.UGGH!
April 29th, 2019 at 11:25 am
The last four or five drafts and seasons have rivaled anything that i saw during the Culverhouse years.
Did the Glazers give up after 2002 ???Ed,Joel ,Helpppppp!!
April 29th, 2019 at 11:29 am
This is why it’s stupid to root for the Bucs to lose at the end of the year to improve draft position. Because the Bucs will choose crap no matter where they pick. So may as well root for them to win in week 17.
April 29th, 2019 at 11:36 am
mark2001 you are spot on with the kicker, he might not have been out there as a UDFA.
I did watch some of Bailey’s highlight tubes yes he looks like he maybe a good find.
Excited to watch all the other highlights tubes of all the new players we now have.
Go Bucs!
April 29th, 2019 at 11:58 am
“Did the Glazers give up after 2002 ???”
No. This organization was successful only under the guidance of Malcolm Glazer. Once he had to step down because of health in 2005 (2006?), this team went back to its pre-1996 awfulness. All of this franchise’s success was under Malcolm. Just look at the win/loss records. 2 for 2 on head coaches. Perennial playoff contender. Super Bowl win. An amazing owner. A real business man who knew people and knew how to be successful.
We’re run by the idiot sons right now and NOTHING will drastically change until they’re gone and we have a real owner again. That’s the bottom line. Look at all of the very successful teams in the NFL. Sure talent and coaches matter but they all have very good owners and it starts at the top. We do not. And that’s not going to change anytime soon. If ever.
April 29th, 2019 at 12:18 pm
At least the new Avengers movie was good so the weekend wasn’t a total waste
April 29th, 2019 at 12:42 pm
Last year the 4 DE’s selected in the first two rounds of the draft had a total of 20 sacks; 12 of those were by Bradley Chubb. In 2017 8 DE’s were selected in rounds 1 and 2 of the draft. Other than Myles Garrett (20.5), Derrick Barnett (7.5), Jonathan Allen (9) and, Tak Mckinley (13) no other DE taken in the first 2 rounds had more than 4 sacks.
So why are we crying about not taking DE’s high in the draft? Are you people gluttons for punishment? Our experience with picking DE’s early has been much of the same: The ONLY DE that we have ever drafted in the first round that ever amounted to anything was the very first draft pick we ever made. We took Adrian Clayborne in 2011 – 1st rd,13 sacks in 4 years, Daquan Bowers (2011- 2nd rd.) who had a whopping 7 sacks in 5 seasons, Noah Spence (2016 – 2nd rd) who had 6.5 sacks in 3 seasons. In 2007 we took Gaines Adams with pick #4 who contributed 13.5 sacks in 3 years.
We still have Spence and Gholston on the roster yet you are clamoring for more of the same. Clearly people….. it doesn’t matter who we pick. When is the last time the best coach in the league, Belichick, took a DE in the first round? What matters is coaching. We have enough talent on this team to make a push into the playoffs and have for years, but we have lacked coaches that were capable teacher of young men.
When introducing Ariens, Mr. Glazer mentioned at least 3 times, developing, coaching up, or teaching “our young players”. I love the picks we made. This is an increasingly aggressive passing league. For years teams have set passing records when the play us. I think Trubiski passed for 6 touchdowns against us last year. We can have Reggie White on one side and Lee Roy Selmon on the other with Aaron Donald and Warren Sapp in the middle and if we give NFL receivers 10 yard cusions WE WILL LOSE!!!
We have freakin’ Julio Jones, Michael Thomas, Alvin Kamara, Christain Mccaffrey had over 100 receptions, and Calvin Ridley and Mohamed Sanu who pose receiving threats and those are just with our division.
If we have lock down corners, sacks will come.
April 29th, 2019 at 12:43 pm
So much for BPA or pick for need as the Bucs did neither. Put a fork in me. I’m done.
April 29th, 2019 at 12:44 pm
Demon…please check for stroke symptoms. Best draft in Bucs history? That may be the dumbest post ever on here. Wow. I’m embarrassed for you.
April 29th, 2019 at 12:49 pm
Crybabies.
April 29th, 2019 at 12:52 pm
Workhorses.
Player Development.
April 29th, 2019 at 1:04 pm
Agree with Tom, especially after Bruce told us that coaches that draft for need get fired. Maybe he doesn’t really give a damn, he got his Glazer money for retirement. Miserable GM,coaches, owners and players. This draft was a total dumpster fire and there is no way we win more than 5 games next year. Gump is playing us for chumps and his constant BS and stupid semantics games will further erode the fan base. Pure garbage out of OBP on a daily basis.
April 29th, 2019 at 1:06 pm
Let’s see if we have this correct… we drafted a guy blind in one eye, a guy the 3 MAJOR ACL operations, and a head case kicker…. hmmm wonder why no one is excited
April 29th, 2019 at 1:20 pm
I’m not upset, it’s like I watched games last year and looked at the depth chart and knew he HAD to come away from this draft with corners (with an s). If you don’t get that then you should pay more attention.
April 29th, 2019 at 1:30 pm
I was surprised we passed on Greedy Williams in 2nd, but when Bill Belicheck traded up 11 spots to draft a CB from Vanderbilt over Greedy told me all I needed to know about Greedy Williams. He doesn’t like contact ie.. tackling something we’ve been told is important. Lets bitch about this draft in 3 years IF it sucks because no one knows anything about this one yet.
April 29th, 2019 at 1:55 pm
On the contrary joe, I may have elected to draft a different position here or there. But then like an epiphany I realized I am no draft expert, neither are you or any of my fellow buc fans. We were neither flying across the country to view these prospects nor are we constantly watching the current players practice day in and day out. All we have to go by is a few self proclaimed draft gurus view on who we should draft and where certain players rank. At that moment I thanked god joe wasn’t our coach because reading his posts he just may be more incompetent than mike smith at orchestrating a defense. Cheer up fans, joe is a constant black cloud that’s sits over the city and sucks you folks into believing, the organization is run by a 3 year old. Raise the flag and fire the cannons!
April 29th, 2019 at 2:00 pm
Agreed that it usually takes a few years to fully evaluate a draft… but Licht seems to have thrown in the towel on the DB’s he drafted in last years draft. Premium picks!! MJ Stewart being the first 2nd rounder has now had to switch positions and clearly may be cut!! Agreed on previous post in Licht tries to be cute!! Meathead, cute doesn’t cut it… especially with your draft and free agency moves!! Gump….Your FIRED!!
April 29th, 2019 at 2:04 pm
Please will you people who nonstop whine about negativity please explain why ignoring reality and accepting failure with a smile makes you a better fan….
I would understand the delusional optimist arguements if this team was competitive or in a 3 or 4 year slump but this franchise has NEVER contended consistently nor have had more than 3 good seasons out 42…. having a highly ranked defense with no chance in the playoffs is not contending…. bucs were a horrible team with a great defense carried by sapp not a contender under Dungy… dungy the clowns career losing playoff record proves that
Low standard bucfan cares more about rankings and pro bowls than wins and championships… glazers have trained the fans well to accept failure
April 29th, 2019 at 2:05 pm
Some people bring out the best in others….
Some people bring out the wining and complaining and crying.
April 29th, 2019 at 2:31 pm
@alfredego 2 starters are high quite possibly the dumbest comment ever White had bust written all over him as MLB in the NFL have zero impact im guessing the other starter is the due from CMU the Bucs will always be a joke
April 29th, 2019 at 2:45 pm
Is it really a bad thing fans aren’t excited? I remember the postseason after Dirk went 9-7 fans were predicting SuperBowls. I’m not even exaggerating. It’s all in the archieves……..Some fans were predicting multiple SuperBowls.
How about the draft where we got Spence? Many fans were elated. We we’re supposed to see a drastic roster upgrade that year.
Or how about when we signed DeShawn and the coach GMs claimed we would score 40 per game,……………..
I cannot blame anybody if they are not sold on the Bunting pick or other things…….but let’s not pretend like we know how it’s gonna work out. Cause you don’t. I don’t Joe don’t none of us dont.
April 29th, 2019 at 4:55 pm
Vegas oddsmakers set early ‘win totals’ at 6 wins in 2019 season…
And the Bucs did NOTHING in the draft to change those odds…
April 29th, 2019 at 5:13 pm
LMAO Joe. Hell, I have not been happy with my Bucs for YEARS! Nobody is happy with a perennial Loser..yr after yr. Alls I can say is Bucs better win. Arians has talked enough trash to fill a small city. And We will turn on him if the losing starts..in bunches. I’ll be the 1st leading the..Rope gang. WE NEED TO WIN.
No excuses, no justifications. ..Winning solves everything. WE..Are..Waiting..And..Watching.
April 29th, 2019 at 6:15 pm
I keep reading people complain about Jason making these picks, no way! These picks were all BA with help from OC & DC. Jason may have had opinions but he wasn’t the one making these picks this year!
April 29th, 2019 at 7:46 pm
Joe, I think Licht was sent here by Bellicheat to turn us all into Patriot fans. No way I would ever do that, but man, it’s making me take another look at rugby.
Go All Blacks!
April 29th, 2019 at 10:11 pm
I think we needed help on both the OL and DL. Maybe we got a role player for DE. Nothing else for the trenches. I sure hope they can coach up what we have to perform better!!!
While I don’t think our secondary is awesome, I think we drafted too many for the secondary and not enough for OL and DL. I hope Licht and Arians are right because they will be crucified if there is no run blocking/pass protection or run stuff/pressure on the QB. Both need to be at least average and not bottom 10 in the league.
Secondary can’t make up for no pass rush; but a pash rush can make up for a poor secondary. Great blocking can make average RBs look great; but poor blocking will make great rbs look below average.
April 29th, 2019 at 10:47 pm
I’m disappointed with every pick that we made and when we made it. I’m no draft expert, so I’m going to have faith that Arians and Bowles made the right choices and that Licht just worked the phones. Licht has proven to be mediocre at best in player evaluation and if we don’t at least break even next year this dude has got to hit the road. (+_+)
April 30th, 2019 at 3:52 am
And apparently they are all on here crying including Joe. I’m going to gather the least amount of information possible on a prospect and then cry like a bitch when the guys with the most information possible dont draft my guy.
April 30th, 2019 at 5:50 am
Petra…Sec147 Says:
April 29th, 2019 at 9:11 am
Jameis is our only hope.
Uh Ooooooh
April 30th, 2019 at 4:56 pm
Time for Anonymous Buc Fan to rear it’s ugly head in the North Endzone again!