Arians Has A Big 6
April 24th, 2019
“The numbers are in our favor, Mr. Glazer. If we miss this pick, I’ll give you this jacket — and the tie.”
The guy making the Buccaneers’ first-round draft pick, head coach Bucco Bruce Arians, put his foot down yesterday and sort of said he can’t screw this up at No. 5 overall.
One reason the Bucs hired Arians is because he’s never had the No. 5 overall pick as a head coach.
When Arians was hired by the Cardinals in 2013, they were coming off a 5-11 season and owned the No. 7 overall pick. That selection, offensive lineman Jonathan Cooper, turned out to be a bust, but the team was very successful going forward.
Asked about the Bucs’ No. 5 overall pick yesterday, Arians was clear that it would take a king’s ransom to get him to trade down, but Joe was more interested in what Arians proclaimed about the draft’s talent pool.
“There’s really six guys that are once-in-a-generation-type players,” Arians said.
Simple math says if the Bucs have the fifth pick and there are six generational talents, then the Bucs shouldn’t screw this up under any circumstances.
Right?
April 24th, 2019 at 7:30 am
Bosa , Allen . Williams , white , Olivier and sweat ?
April 24th, 2019 at 7:38 am
Sounds good to me, I wonder if any of them are Quarterbacks. That would be unexpected….
April 24th, 2019 at 7:42 am
I am excited about the potential of this coaching staff. I like all the things BA has done from the philosophy of having many extra coaches to delegating authority and responsibility.
But I am concerned about our ability to draft quality players. Neither Licht nor BA has a great track record and the Bucs need a serious injection of talent
April 24th, 2019 at 7:52 am
Our LBs are going to blitz up the middle like crazy = smells like Devin White if Allen, Bosa and Williams are off the board
April 24th, 2019 at 7:53 am
If that is true, then we will have a choice between at least 2 of them.
I suspect the choice will be between Oliver & White…..perhaps 3 players, Oliver, White & Sweat.
April 24th, 2019 at 7:53 am
Hopefully someone will want to jump the Giants and the Giants want a QB some the Bucs move back one spot and pick up a extra pick and get the same player they would have taken @ 5…they have a good back scene relationship with the Giants …getting the Giants #2 would be perfect…but I don’t think it will happen
April 24th, 2019 at 7:54 am
An Bush
April 24th, 2019 at 7:58 am
Love the wording Joe … “Bruce Arians, put his foot down yesterday and sort of said HE can’t screw this up at No. 5 overall.” If the ‘HE’ is from a quote Joe, it’s clear as a bell that BA’s in charge of this draft. Here’s hoping.
NOT screwing up the first pick is a good start. Getting another starter with our 2nd pick would be even better. Drafting a starter-capable guy with our our 3rd round pick would be like hitting the trifecta. Add in a key rotational player from our Round 4-7 picks and we’re on our way to … someplace. ONE MORE DAY til the excitement begins.
April 24th, 2019 at 8:04 am
@AlterEgo
That’s EXACTLY what I’m hoping happens. A little 4-D chess. French kiss Denver, Miami, Washington…get a valid offer and make the last call to the Giants the second the clock starts. Give them last rights.
Makes too much sense.
April 24th, 2019 at 8:08 am
“It’s take a king’s ransom to get HIM (Arians) to trade down.”
Any questions remaining about who will be controlling the draft?
April 24th, 2019 at 8:23 am
4-12
Bucs will never sniff the postseason again
April 24th, 2019 at 8:25 am
It’s still a crap shoot. I’d wager that not all six will pan out. At least one will be a bust, if not two.
April 24th, 2019 at 8:38 am
Well..in retrospect..BA thought Jonathan Cooper, Hasson Reddick, were borderline generational picks too (with Keim mixed in), based on their draft positions. Look how those turned out.
Quinnen Williams is the ONLY true “generational” player in this draft class.
Bosa, Oliver, White…are elite prospects worthy of a top 10 pick.
Josh Allen is an above average talent, great character kid, worthy of a top 12 selection. Too light, skinny, certainly not a “generational” talent. You’ve got to be kidding.
And Sweat (?!??) if that’s whom BA is alluding to as #6…the dude’s ticker is bad, cause if there’s even a 10% chance his heart ends his playing career within 5 years, CAN NOT pick a player in top 15 that has that RISK.
Quinnen. BA needs to focus there.
April 24th, 2019 at 8:39 am
I honestly don’t believe BA feels like there are 6 once in generational players in this class. In my opinion this is a weak class. Question marks with most of headliners. Kyler 5’2,he said one year players scare him guess that means Q,bosa missed basically all last season and numbers were just okay to me,Oliver wasn’t dominant in a weaker conference and has suspect technique,Allen put up pretty numbers against the lesser comp and to my eye is a one trick pony. And even my Guy Devin White is relatively new at the position. You say 6 when you’re trying to hide the one guy you really feel that way about.
April 24th, 2019 at 8:39 am
D r
BA’s in charge of this draft. Here’s hoping
Ba’s draft track record is worse than lichts…. plus neither licht nor ba can overcome the glazers and their Mickey mouse small market team…. bucs will never compete for anything but basement titles…. glazers have trained you people well on false hope. Its comical
April 24th, 2019 at 8:41 am
Not sure about Q being that. Bama Dlinemen have yet to stand out in the NFL. And body of work is really small. I’ll ask again did Q play in the national championship???
April 24th, 2019 at 8:43 am
I mean he stated at yesterday’s presser one year players scare me. I don’t believe BA really feels like 6 of these guys are once in a generation. You say that when you wanna hide the one guy you really feel that way about.
April 24th, 2019 at 8:46 am
Once in a generation after one season??? Wow.
April 24th, 2019 at 9:04 am
One generational player will not save this historically bad Bucs defense. See Khail Mack in black & silver. Trade down. Get more very good players in a defensive draft.
April 24th, 2019 at 9:07 am
Sport Says:
“I wonder if any of them are Quarterbacks. That would be unexpected….”
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I don’t think that would be unexpected. I would be really surprised if one of those 6 is not Kyler Murray or another QB.
That doesn’t mean WE are taking him. We don’t need a QB.
April 24th, 2019 at 9:09 am
So why would the Bucs trade up then???
April 24th, 2019 at 9:34 am
1) Nick Bosa
2) Quinnen Williams
3) Ed Oliver
4) Brian Burns
5) Josh Allen
6) Devin White
Been saying for a while that there were 6 guys worth a top 5 pick. These are the 6 imo. No idea if BA has the same names, but i also have no idea who else he can be talking about.
April 24th, 2019 at 9:36 am
Brian Bosworth…on and on…
April 24th, 2019 at 9:37 am
Nice spin. I mean, if the Bucs go 6-10 this year you can’t possibly blame Backstabbin’ Jason Licht because….because….Bruce Arians!
April 24th, 2019 at 9:47 am
1. Big 3 DL > Oliver > Trade back or White > Sweat
2. If Q, Bosa or Allen is there you draft them — no questions.
3. If none of them are left and you feel good about Oliver’s attitude, you draft him.
4. This is where it gets hard. Do you draft White or trade back and go for Devin Bush? The answer is dependent upon the trade offer and how far back you fall. I believe the worst case is to trade back to #11 with Cincinnati and that may be one spot too far. Denver, Cincy and GB are all teams that could draft a LB at # 10 – 12. Also Clemson DT Christian Wilkins could be gone at #9 to Buffalo as they are looking at DTs Q, Oliver and Wilkins. The Lions at #8 are also looking at DL and LB. The Giants could also go Defense at #6. Jags are most likely WR, TE or OL at #7. So what is enough to trade back to #9 or #10? Their #1, #2 and #3 this year or #2 next year.
5. If you trade back to #13 with Miami or #15 with Washington you are rolling the dice on getting Bush or Wilkins. So what is enough to trade back this far? Their #1, #2 and #3 this year along with a #2 next year. That would be a worthwhile haul to trade back that far.
April 24th, 2019 at 9:58 am
If you trade back to #13 or #15, you either go for a 2nd tier edge rusher with risk (Sweat or Burns) or you go for your #1 CB (may still be too early) or you #1 or #2 tackle.
There is one other wildcard and that’s GMC. Does he become part of the trade back scenario? Miami is probably the only team above that could take his current salary and isn’t too far back; but I don’t think he would be happy going there as he wants to go to a team with a chance to win. That would be Indy, Houston or Titans who could pay his salary. KC is probably off the table with the Frank Clark deal.
April 24th, 2019 at 10:36 am
I wouldn’t consider Burns a risk.
April 24th, 2019 at 10:44 am
if “he” doesnt want to screw things up, he’ll select ed oliver…..
#REALISTKNOWSNOTHING!!!!!…GO BUCS!!!!!
April 24th, 2019 at 11:11 am
In my opinion, BA using smoke with the generational comment.
He is going to get into the #6-#10 teams heads and trigger one or more to bet the farm and get us to trade out of #5.
I do not feel any of them are generational players. NONE.
Trade down a few spots, grab additional picks, rookie contracts cheap…load up.
Pistol
April 24th, 2019 at 11:49 am
All smoke and mirrors from Arians. However, he did say the right thing about the King’s ransom. Good fodder for potential trade deals.
April 24th, 2019 at 11:50 am
Joe says: “One reason the Bucs hired Arians is because he’s never had the No. 5 overall pick as a head coach.” Curious about this. Why would that be a reason to pick a HC?
April 24th, 2019 at 11:52 am
He said 6 talents so teams know they are extremely open to trading down. Makes me think they haven’t gotten too many hits on it yet but that will all change draft night. Plus, its a good line to tell your draft pick “You were part of our big 6!”
April 24th, 2019 at 12:46 pm
Tmax-
False hope is Not drafting OLinemen in early rounds and then signing 6th and 7th round picks from other teams as free agents, signing undrafted free agents, and then thinking your OLine is “fine”
April 24th, 2019 at 12:53 pm
If one of those 6 is Kyler Murray and he drops to #5 what will the Bucs do?
April 24th, 2019 at 1:00 pm
^ Bucko, what do you mean what would the Bucs do?
They would pass, of course. They don’t need a QB.
April 24th, 2019 at 2:42 pm
Bush will likely be a good NFL player but he’s smaller than White and had 60 less tackles in 2018 than White. Trading back for Bush means settling for a lesser talent.
April 24th, 2019 at 2:45 pm
I don’t want a QB Bucko but we may draft Murray if he drops to 5. More likely we would make a trade. You could have Winston and Murray on the same roster. If both play well in 2019 we trade one. Again I’m not in favor of that scenario.
April 24th, 2019 at 2:52 pm
In 2005 the Bucs had Chris Simms. We were drafting 5. Gruden called Aaron Rodgers and told him that we were going to draft him if he was there at 5. Gruden went with Cadillac Williams instead. This is according to Aaron Rodgers.
April 24th, 2019 at 7:34 pm
“once-in-a-generation”
sure don’t mean what it used too lmao
April 24th, 2019 at 9:06 pm
I love this tidbit of info. Thanks for the article.
Based on this I will loosen my stance on not trading down……just so long as we don’t trade down far enough to miss the TOP 6 players.
I do wonder if they include Murray in that catergory. Either case we pretty much have to stay in the top 7(maybe 8 depending how top 4 picks shake out) to get a great prospect.
If we trade down past 7-8 that means the Bucs have botched the pick and we won’t get a elite prospect..