Inside Vita Vea’s Season
March 16th, 2019
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Back to behind-the-scenes Bucs information, Joe has some to share.
The popular notion that general manager Jason Licht turned around the play of Vita Vea with a November pep talk? That gets a hearty laugh at One Buc Palace, and in some circles it is not appreciated.
Yes, Licht had a heart-to-heart with Vea, but there were much bigger factors at play when it came to Vea’s improvement.
Like Cameron Brate, who unbeknownst to fans and media played and practiced nearly the entire 2018 season with a hip issue that required surgery in January, Vea’s health issue didn’t just go away when he returned to the playing field in September.
His serious calf injury sustained in late July was something that lingered deep into the season.
Like Brate, Vea was cleared to play and off the injury report, but he was not exactly healthy. That late-season improvement by Vea was largely about finally getting back a majority of the power Dirk Koetter referenced when talking about Vea’s bizarre feats of strength in the spring.
“What we’ve seen is a guy that his weight definitely has not affected him. He’s got an excellent motor and he is a very strong human being,” Koetter said in May. “I mean, you can ask those guards that are playing against him. I mean he’s got a move with that inside arm; I’ve seen him lift 300-pound men off the ground with one arm. It’s impressive, his strength.””I’ve seen him lift 300-pound men off the ground with one arm.”
Koetter was not joking. Vea was that impressive early.
One thing Joe has learned about the Koetter regime is that the former head coach publicly made injury excuses for some players while keeping quiet injuries of others. That wasn’t always understood or appreciated in the locker room, and you can put Vea’s injury into that category.
But there was another part to Vea’s late revival beyond improving health; Vea was shamed by defensive coaches in the locker room and responded positively afterwards.
Later in the season, coaches revealed defensive players’ activity stats on the tablets given them to study film on their own time. Vea, a rookie, was lagging far, far behind teammates and he heard about it in the locker room.
Call it a wake-up call to be more professional.
The end result was Vea looking rather special in four of his final six games. And the Bucs are extremely excited by what a 100 percent Vea — physically and mentally — could look like this season.
March 16th, 2019 at 9:14 am
The article could, and should have, just started here….
“Back to behind-the-scenes Bucs information, Joe has some to share.”…
Vea did have a nice turnaround for sure, shame it took that long.
March 16th, 2019 at 9:22 am
Vita Vea was at the top of my wish list last year, so I’m extremely happy.
March 16th, 2019 at 9:24 am
Derwin James was an all pro just saying
March 16th, 2019 at 9:24 am
Vea didn’t really have a turnaround. Players get better with experience…at least good ones do. Once Vea got a healthy dose of play, his abilities kicked in.
March 16th, 2019 at 9:27 am
Im a fan of the Vita Vea pick. Derwin James had a great rookie year so naturally fans will wonder what if…
I think a healthy Vita Vea will be a force that 31 other teams will have to plan for for years
March 16th, 2019 at 9:28 am
Hopefully Vea will continue to blossom. He looked un-blockable in games last year.
March 16th, 2019 at 9:35 am
Lift
March 16th, 2019 at 9:35 am
Still don’t understand choosing Vita over Derwin James.
Licht should have been fired for that.
March 16th, 2019 at 9:37 am
Vea down the stretch > Derwin
March 16th, 2019 at 9:39 am
I hope fans realize that just because Derwin James was an all pro for the Chargers doesnt mean he wouldve been an all pro in Tampa. Mike Smith could have ruined him here. The results might not have been the same.
March 16th, 2019 at 9:42 am
straightcashhomey Says:
“The article could, and should have, just started here….
“Back to behind-the-scenes Bucs information, Joe has some to share.”…”
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Disagreed 100%.
The behind the scenes elements of JBF and those battles are ALWAYS welcome reading. Thank you very much for sharing it.
March 16th, 2019 at 9:43 am
We have a very good Dline……starters JPP, GMC, VEA & Nassib….
Look to see an extraordinarily improved LB corps……LVD, Barrett & perhaps White….
I also expect the extra experience from Davis & Whitehead to make our DBs most important….BUT
Our most notable defensive improvement will never be on the field TODD BOWLES…….imagine the difference between BOWLES & MIKE SMITH…..
March 16th, 2019 at 9:48 am
Joeypoppems Says:
“Im a fan of the Vita Vea pick.
I think a healthy Vita Vea will be a force that 31 other teams will have to plan for for years”
Bucsfanman Says:
“Hopefully Vea will continue to blossom. He looked un-blockable in games last year.”
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Agreed on ALL counts.
Really love the VITA VEA pick and think the sky is the limit for this kid.
He will be a force for many, many years.
March 16th, 2019 at 9:58 am
You don’t really build a great defense from back to front. It STARTS up front! Vea is a better pick than James!
It’s a lot easier to find a gifted athlete in the “normal” human size than it is to find a 300lb giant. The available pool of choices is just totally different.
This is J BUCS Fan. To all but the rabid FSU guys James is a JAG.
He’s not a Buc!!! Perhaps you Noles would like to participate on the Charger websites.
March 16th, 2019 at 9:59 am
I have a feeling Joe wanted to spike the ball on his Bucs-Head-Coach scoop and this was the place to do it…. I don’t begrudge someone a chance to gloat. After all, I got to go to my office on November 10, 2016 😉
March 16th, 2019 at 10:18 am
If glazers are writing joe big checks hiding behind Bud Light is a brilliant cover.]
March 16th, 2019 at 10:21 am
One thing about Vita Vea, I was shocked when the o line get the upper hand of him. This means I was rarely shocked. Vea and other defensive ends needs another DT that’s just as disruptive as Vita on the line. Consistent pressure up front destroy most offensive plays. It’s that simple.
March 16th, 2019 at 10:29 am
BucsFIRE says…
“Disagreed 100%…”.
Disagreed on the disagreement. And there it is, that effective.
And the Barrett signing seems more and more like a real wise one.
March 16th, 2019 at 10:30 am
Actually if i were to falsely accuse joe of anything it would be for taking bribes from cancer93 not glazers. Joe has never covered the fraud objectively but clearly cancer93 wont take a pay cut for good of team therefore one would assume cancer93 sure in the hell aint slinging joe bud light cash…. your bias coverage of the most overrated career loser in bucs history does leave you a little vulnerable big guy.
March 16th, 2019 at 10:42 am
Man – that must have been one hell of a calf injury to negatively effect Vea from late July until late November…. Did he rip tendon from bone or something???
Joe you were doing such a good job of staying humble about breaking the details of the Arians hire 3 days prior to the announcement…..
March 16th, 2019 at 10:46 am
Vita Vea versus Derwin James……..
This reminds me of the same situation a few years back, remember?
Suh versus McCoy.
Sooooo many Bucs fans thought that the Bucs got the better draft of McCoy versus Detroit and Suh. I think we KNOW how THAT turned out don’t we?
Who went to the playoffs and SuperBowl?
Somehow I see history repeating itself – sadly.
So like Vea, The defense rests….
March 16th, 2019 at 10:50 am
Vita Vea showed us when healthy he will be a problem a big problem an we’re going to the defense that he is familiar with 3-4 an also one thing I would like to know is how is Beckwith a ankle I seen him on sidelines an doing interviews in locker room last year after mike Smith was fired was he just shut down for the year because there was no point to bring him back last year because if Beckwiths ankle is back to being healthy our LBs are not as much in need as one may think Shaq Buccannon Beckwith David Spence Minter if we can trade Back an still add a Guy like Devin Bush or Devin White our Front 7 is not to far off this all depends on Beckwith Wonde if Kwon wasn’t tried to be brought back knowing Beckwith is healthy
March 16th, 2019 at 10:52 am
I wonder what Ronald Jones’ and Noah Spence’s activity stats look like…
March 16th, 2019 at 11:00 am
The one positive about picking Vita Vea over Derwin is that it gives us flexibility to dump GMC….so what are we waiting for???
March 16th, 2019 at 11:07 am
I’m wondering if it might be a good idea to have one veteran from each position group spend a day walking rookie draft picks and undrafted free agents through a day-long class titled “This is what you do as a professional football player.” Of course, the newcomers would learn the nuances along the way, like any other student, but a primer about the importance of watching film, taking notes, taking care of your body, eating properly, resting properly and all the stuff that goes with being a pro from guys they’ll be in the same position group room with might go a long way.
March 16th, 2019 at 11:09 am
I am relativly excited about the defense (on paper) especially if we have a good draft.
We seem to be pretty solid with the front 7 especially if we add Devin White.
Bowels is a massive upgrade.
I like Davis at Corner and VH3 as a nickle. (Still need a FA CB) but CB is more plug and play with a good front 7
However, I am very concerned at saftey as we still don’t know exactly who Justin Evans is and I am not sold on Jordan Whitehead at all. If the Bucs can either draft or sign a good strong saftey….I see top 15 defense potential.
March 16th, 2019 at 11:12 am
Right on Joe! This is my first and favorite spot for relevant Bucs info. I especially loved the BA confirmation wayyyy before the others. Here’s to hoping Vea is the MONSTER we’re expecting! GO BUCS!
March 16th, 2019 at 11:14 am
vea is a going to be a monster
March 16th, 2019 at 11:20 am
Adrian clayborn back with bucs?
March 16th, 2019 at 11:22 am
Joe talks about journalism ethics yet doesn’t credit who writes which post/blurb?
That violates journalism ethics? LOL Ever read the editorial pages of the newspaper? For many decades they were the most popular pages every Sunday. And the writer of each editorial was not named, unless they were written by a guest.–Joe
March 16th, 2019 at 11:40 am
Adrian clayborn back in Tampa?
March 16th, 2019 at 11:48 am
straightcashhomey,
Fair enough lol,
On Shaq Barrett, we are in total agreement.
Good signing. GoBucs!
March 16th, 2019 at 12:01 pm
Perfect 3/4 nose tackle. Massive,strong like an ox and athletic for a man that size. LVD and Devin gone eat good behind this human being.
March 16th, 2019 at 12:12 pm
I think Beckwith is finished…….if he was healthy, we’d know……Licht doesn’t want to signal LB needs before the draft.
I really hope I’m wrong.
March 16th, 2019 at 12:32 pm
Arian Nation Says:
March 16th, 2019 at 9:35 am
Still don’t understand choosing Vita over Derwin James.
Licht should have been fired for that.
It’s simple cause they are the same talent level and a DT effect the game more than a safety. Not trying to be a jerk but people that understand football get that.
March 16th, 2019 at 12:36 pm
Mr Lucky Says:
March 16th, 2019 at 10:46 am
Vita Vea versus Derwin James……..
This reminds me of the same situation a few years back, remember?
Suh versus McCoy.
Sooooo many Bucs fans thought that the Bucs got the better draft of McCoy versus Detroit and Suh. I think we KNOW how THAT turned out don’t we?
Who went to the playoffs and SuperBowl?
Somehow I see history repeating itself – sadly.
So like Vea, The defense rests….
Actually both players are average to slightly above average DTs and in fact 3 teams have chosen to get rid of Suh so I would say McCoy actually has had a better career and I am not a McCoy supporter.
March 16th, 2019 at 1:00 pm
Joe…the word is lift not left
March 16th, 2019 at 1:08 pm
GMC is not the future on defense. They should trade him for as many picks as possible and build the defense with young hungrier talent.
March 16th, 2019 at 1:37 pm
Vita played better past the home summer heat which he is likely to struggle through again.
March 16th, 2019 at 1:56 pm
My thing is, Tb has obviously had huge issues at the safety position. save last year when I finally saw them breaking from north to south on east and west runs and actually plugging gaps and forcing the ball carrier to the sideline, without having a cutback lane. Although they were still inconsistent.
Not to say DT was not a need, especially looking at the bucs future when McCoy moves on.
But the management did pass on what I believe was a 10 year talent at safety in Derwin James.
They also have failed to address the issue in this strong FA year for safety’s.
Derwin or vea ? Only time will tell.
Let’s just hope CB and S do not continue to be egnored when there is (was) proven talent all over free agency to address it.
March 16th, 2019 at 2:24 pm
Joe, can you tell us the store of why the 2016 Defense was so bad.
I remember we where told it was down to communication but remember you telling us you’d spill the beans once Mike Smith was away.
March 16th, 2019 at 2:24 pm
@Joe – Haters gonna hate. Just the way it is. The vast majority appreciate you guys.
March 16th, 2019 at 2:25 pm
Ndog
You are beyond clueless. Suh has played in the playoffs multiple times yet all cancer93 has accomplished is basement titles and embarrassing video her either cryin or dancing while down 30 points…. being a fanboy of a career loser is your choice but dont make crap up to justify your poor taste
March 16th, 2019 at 2:36 pm
^^^^^What Jeff said
March 16th, 2019 at 2:44 pm
“Danny Shelton 2.0
This is the easist evaluation any fool can predict and project
Same body type
Same position
Same school
Vea replaced shelton
1-3 sacks per year and a space eater
Nothing more and nothing less…
JAFG (Just a fat guy)”
Kobe Faker
March 16th, 2019 at 2:50 pm
It’s all Jameis Winston’s fault!
March 16th, 2019 at 3:12 pm
My opinion on the could of had James crowd is simple. Go cheer for the Chargers! That simple, now you guys are happy and the fans that are cheering on Vea and the Bucs are happy. Simple solution to the problem.
Vea impressed as the season went on and any man who can lift a 300 pound man and toss him aside with one arm is alright with me, and I’m happy to cheer him on and root for our Buccaneers in the process!
March 16th, 2019 at 3:29 pm
Yeah, Bonzai, you and I were all over wanting to draft him after a trade back, and it worked. Cant trade back and still land Devin White this year though…maybe one spot. Unless they’re going for Sweat around 9 or 10 and the trade deal is too sweet. And thats assuming the top 3 d line guys are gone and a qb is taken.
D. White, just like Vea will have to be planned for. And for those who like to say he’s not a pass rusher, come on man!!!!!!!! Look at his tape and combine 4.42 40 speed. Get otta here!!! But if we skip on him and grab Sweat, Im down with that too!
BTW, dont put it past gruden and the raiders to go with D. White with their 4th….that would friggin SUCK!!!!
March 16th, 2019 at 3:38 pm
Ain’t nobody gonna be talking about Suh when he retires. Not making HOF
Overated
Unwanted.
Terrible teammate
March 16th, 2019 at 4:06 pm
Uhh Kobe,what’s up bro. Umm I disagree about Vea being just a space eating fat guy. Will he ever be at the top of the league in sacks no,but he had more pressures than 93 did last season. It’s something about adding a mountain size Holoti Gnagta to the middle of your defense. Forced people to try an go around it because into it proves difficult. I just want Vea stuffing RBs,if they outside LVD and Devin will clean that up i.e Kamara,McCaffery and Freeman. Ask Ray Lewis about space eaters,helped him win a Super Bowl and later become a HOFr.
March 16th, 2019 at 4:48 pm
The pick should have always been Derwin James. However, I was never against us picking Vea. I just preferred Derwin. I specifically remember Buccaneer Bonzai wanting Vea and myself wanting Derwin and I conceded that Vea would not upset me. With that said, I believe 100% that Vea wasn’t really fully healthy. We got to see what a healthy Vea looks like and it is a good thing. We can ride Licht for not trading up to get a better RB instead of settling for ROJO but I can’t blast him for picking Vea. Heck, you can hindsight any draft and act like a genius. Instead of picking Mark Barron, we should have picked Keuchly. Yeah we all know that know but nobody really knew at the time. Not with any certainty.
March 16th, 2019 at 4:50 pm
Yeah we all know that now…. Dammit, we need an edit button.
March 16th, 2019 at 4:55 pm
Seeing my brothers and cousins play against Derwin in high school I just knew he was the real deal. What a shame , not knocking the Vita pick but 1st team all pro is serious. Could’ve been our John Lynch 2.0
March 16th, 2019 at 5:04 pm
Kobe… do yourself a favor and go watch the career highlights of a one Haloti Ngata. Vea is Ngata 2.0 not Shelton.
And honestly if big Vea can stay healthy he’s poised to be better than Ngata because he’s a far better athlete. He was dominant the last 5 weeks of 2018. He was causing disruption on damn near every play.
March 16th, 2019 at 5:17 pm
Seeing my brothers and cousins play against Derwin in high school I just knew he was the real deal. What a shame , not knocking the Vita pick but
March 16th, 2019 at 5:44 pm
The guy was a beast down the stretch.
The problem is we missed withvtwo second round picks and our 3rd
March 16th, 2019 at 6:00 pm
vea is going to shine as a nose tackle in bowles defense just watch i agree AwShbucs vea is the next haloti ngata
March 16th, 2019 at 6:14 pm
One, is it Stroud? He’s the only local mainstream reporter who matters anymore.
Two, I always thought the Glazers were propping up Pewter Report. With their traffic, it makes no sense how they stay in business.
Three, what is it with pioneering football outsider sites (Joe, Florio) keeping their webpages looking like it’s 1998?
March 16th, 2019 at 7:00 pm
I don’t wish for bad things but this board has me hoping for a James ACL injury while Vea blows up. The haters will say I always was behind the pick.
March 16th, 2019 at 7:08 pm
Jamaal Stanley = NOSBOS
March 16th, 2019 at 7:24 pm
😊what’s good Doosh..
March 16th, 2019 at 7:28 pm
Kobe,do you have 1:49 of you time you can spare??? I ask because I want you to YouTube Vita Vea highlights,there you’ll find the one when we faced the cowgirls. It’s film session with Anthony Brecht on the play you’ll see Vea physically move a 300+ pound grown man into the backfield en-route to sacking day prescot. Ish is ridiculous,he is a Samoan monster👹.
March 16th, 2019 at 7:28 pm
Eh, look at the signings for insight…we’re not going G/C, WR, QB, LT, or RB with our first selection. I see MLB, Edge rush, or CB/Safetie in a trade back scenario.
D. White unless Josh Allen falls into our lap….then trade back into the 1st for Devin Bush!
LB . DE / DE . LB PLEASE!
March 16th, 2019 at 7:31 pm
We have DE’s looking pretty good in JPP and Nassib……whats at LB? Ask yourself!
D. White at 5, its done!! Unless Gruden craps all over that and selects him right b4 us…..i’ll be drinking wild turkey 101 if tht happens and call it a weekend since i have that whole time off from work….i’ll probably drink myself to death lol.
March 16th, 2019 at 7:34 pm
@ Jamall, Outstanding!!!!
March 16th, 2019 at 7:55 pm
Dewin James would’ve done nothing in this defense. With the former coaching staff and beside that what did he do in the playoffs. How many times can I say d-line is the way to make everyone better on defense
March 16th, 2019 at 8:09 pm
Donald Penn was just released I bet you the Joe’s want him back at tackle! But seriously if he would move to guard I would take him in a heartbeat if didn’t want a lot of money.
March 16th, 2019 at 8:17 pm
MadMax would you takewhite over consensus Top 3?
Not me I would do a hard Sprint to the podium for Q and then sweat out the 1st round. Maybe you could see the LB class slip and maybe they fall to round 2. Or maybe they slip a little bit and you trade up for them.
If we could add Q and Devin Bush that would be my perfect dream.
I’m not sure how many more LBs could be in play at #35. Everybody so super focused on the #5 picks I don’t hear much at all about 2nd rounders.
March 16th, 2019 at 8:36 pm
Nick Folk just hit 2 50+ yarders in a row. I really do think the problem was Anger. So the upside is, we are about to have a decent kicking game
March 16th, 2019 at 8:40 pm
Jimmy jack
There are only 2 top level LBers in this class. White and Bush.
I feel like there are quite a few really good DTs in this draft. Jeffery Simmons could fall to us in the 2nd. Jerry Tillery will be there at 35. Hell Jachai Polite might even be there with the $hitty combine he had. We have plenty of options
March 16th, 2019 at 8:53 pm
What I should have said is a year from now you’ll will be saying you all wanted D. James. It wasn’t til mid April when PR picked D James that people started getting on board. I personally liked both James and Vita so I was happy either way. I wrote this below because the only players anyone was talking about was Chubb, Barkley and Nelson and they weren’t dropping to us.
Stanglassman Says:
February 27th, 2018 at 9:17 am
You guys are sleeping on Derwin James but I think after the combine you’ll all be singing from the same sheet.
March 16th, 2019 at 9:08 pm
Goat ….What about Mack? He’s the only other LB I heard of.
Could he be worth consideration at 35?
I’ll be honest. I can’t tell you what school he is from. But he has a great name so there’s that. His name even sound a bit better then White or Bush.
March 16th, 2019 at 9:10 pm
I also like Lidstrom. OL from Boston College. Sounds good to me.
March 16th, 2019 at 9:13 pm
Mack is from Alabama. I think he is a BIG step below White or Bush. I also like Eric McCoy C/G from Texas A&M
March 16th, 2019 at 9:15 pm
I just started reading this site. It’s good stuff. I couldn’t find a way to message joe aside from these comment sections. Is there a way to do so?
March 16th, 2019 at 9:21 pm
Switching to 3-4 is gonna be really good for us. Cuz now we can put more speed on the field and it’s really what most colleges are running at this point.
If we can come away with A combination of Devin White & Jachai Polite, or Jeffery Simmons, Taylor Rapp, Jerry Tillery, it any of the interior OL I’ll be a happy camper. These rbs are going to drop like rocks this year. Take a rb after the 4th round
March 16th, 2019 at 10:14 pm
I’m very excited about the switch to 3-4. Tampa2 has taken its toll on me.
As a pure Tampa fan I really know little about 3-4. It’s gonna be fun to watch. It will be really cool if it don’t take a entire half a season to adjust. Can’t fool around in this league and dig yourself a hole.
If this defense can’t start winning us a few games early it might be a rough year.
March 16th, 2019 at 10:40 pm
@Jimmy, i thought about that very hard the past few weeks, and yes! Maybe not over Allen, but yes to the rest. Where BPA and NEED meets, IMHO thats White for us at #5. Look how much of a difference Vander Esch made to Dallas, and Luke K. did to Carolina….R. Smith….WE NEED THAT! And yes its that bad. I want edge rush too like the Joes, but if you dont have that beast MLB, whose covering what gets past the rushers when they’re bottled up. And White looks like a generational talent, some are calling him the #1 overall best player in the draft.
March 16th, 2019 at 10:43 pm
Dirk seemed to be his own worst enemy. Also the league should investigate him for fudging the injury report. That’s what this basically is. Hurt guys playing like crap with no mention of them being hurt. Didn’t Jameis have beef with Dirk over how he treated his injury?
March 16th, 2019 at 10:51 pm
Completely off topic. now that the Apollo lost do the 72 Dolphins pop champagne corks tonight?
March 16th, 2019 at 11:03 pm
Theres a link on utube comparing the combines of Bosa and White, Allen and others….i cant get it to post here….but I’ll take D. White over Bosa all day!
Watch D. White compared to Bosa…..White is faster and more athletic….I’ll take him over the overrated Bosa….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edOIlocO6v0
March 16th, 2019 at 11:03 pm
MadMax I have heard more then one analyst say that White is an elite prospect. That’s my only requirement for a Top 5 pick.
If the Bucs think White could be that guy I’m all in. If they took him over Allen it will be even more exciting because he will have even bigger expectations.
The only downfall to taking White over Allen would be the inevitable Joe articles. Joe wouldn’t like the pick but I would maintain my expectations. Not crumble and criticize
March 16th, 2019 at 11:09 pm
But the true question has to be if White is worthy of that #5 pick.
You are shooting for a HOF player with a pick this high.
You don’t draft a guy if you don’t see HOF potential. If White checks that box it’s a easy decision.
March 16th, 2019 at 11:11 pm
I believe as long as Vita can stay healthy, he will live up to his draft status. He’s seems driven. As we all know in Tampa, it seems to be a difficult thing to live up to your draft status when expectations are extremely high here. I personally believe this franchise suffers from a predetermined mindset from young players coming out of college. You know secretly they all hope they don’t get selected by the Bucs, and when they do get drafted here, they don’t live up to it and move on. Is it on purpose, or do they actually try? How else do you explain all the high draft failures. How many of our high drafted players leave here as a bunch of JAGS to be superstars on other teams. The players have learned the system.
March 16th, 2019 at 11:14 pm
Velcro Vea
Hopefully he improves next season to drop that moniker. He has a lot of potential for sure.
March 16th, 2019 at 11:21 pm
Joe don’t let people like stout gospel make you not do every story you see or hear about the bucs. This might be the longest I have seen your site go without a new story. LOL. You guys are funny. Joe wrote plenty today and Joe will have a busy Sunday.–Joe I have revisited about 10 times today without no new content. I’m so bored I’m googling mock drafts. Which are all over the board. But a couple are starting to have us picking josh Allen. If that happens where he falls to us I will be a happy man. He is the first overall lick in 7 out of 10 drafts normally. His skill set and resume is actually better than a lot of first overall picks. But I am not with you on Oliver he reminds me of heargraves and winston. At the time they were the best Prospect to ever come out the year before they came out in draft history. Then we actually get a chance to draft them which I never thought we would being a optimistic fan. And we see how they both worked out. Do or die year for both of them. If Allen isn’t available I want to trade back and get all the picks we can this year. Because the draft is are free agency this year. But I would be willing to bet my 401k that we trade back and get a 2nd and 3rd this year. And a first next year. For some reason teams trade the farm for a qb.
March 16th, 2019 at 11:26 pm
Jeff, i don’t think Joe will ever let anyone control content on this site. Joe writes what interests Joe. maybe they just need a night off? I thought i was the only one who revisited 10 times. lol
March 16th, 2019 at 11:49 pm
Pressure > Coverage.
Plus, Vea is closer to ball than safety.
March 17th, 2019 at 12:07 am
Vea will be fine with this coaching staff. Pro bowl. Adrian clayborn and Donald penn available ….
March 17th, 2019 at 12:25 am
My mock as of 3-17-19
D. White or trade down and grab Sweat if Raiders grab White at 4 (or Allen IF there)
G. Bradburry or Eric McCoy
Charles Omenihu or Sheldrick Redwine
Chase Winovich if we get Redwine
Daylon Mack to rotate with Vea
Hunter Renfrow
March 17th, 2019 at 12:26 am
Safety Redwine is growing on me…. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLenPEUs0T8
March 17th, 2019 at 1:16 am
Watford is a versatile O Lineman for depth. He’s not going to set the world on fire. I like Lidstrom in the 2nd rd JimmyJack. I would however admit that I would take Devin Bush over him but I think Bush goes mid to late 1st rd.
March 17th, 2019 at 7:53 am
Madmax,
Comparing Bosa to White? 2 different positions what’s the point.
To say Bosa is overrated means we’re heading into the crazy zone. The one where last month’s can’t miss generational player ..is now overrated , high risk, bust material.
Bosa is rated at the top if not the very top of the draft class. He will be drafted first thru 5
So where is the overrated tag coming from? Sure doesn’t seem smart if that’s the idea.
“but. .but ..the the combine numbers……” If that’s what you’re thinking. ..stop…have a rethink.
Because no one missed the combine numbers, no surprises, and most rational minds have him going in the same couple spots as they’ve had him for months. Combine don’t matter.
March 17th, 2019 at 8:13 am
Jean Lafitte Says:
March 16th, 2019 at 11:11 pm
I believe as long as Vita can stay healthy, he will live up to his draft status. He’s seems driven. As we all know in Tampa, it seems to be a difficult thing to live up to your draft status when expectations are extremely high here. I personally believe this franchise suffers from a predetermined mindset from young players coming out of college. You know secretly they all hope they don’t get selected by the Bucs, and when they do get drafted here, they don’t live up to it and move on. Is it on purpose, or do they actually try? How else do you explain all the high draft failures. How many of our high drafted players leave here as a bunch of JAGS to be superstars on other teams. The players have learned the system.
It’s really simple it’s called coaching. Or in our case lack thereof. Even our greatest players (Sapp, Brooks, Lynch) looked like trash till a real coach came here. Now look at Marpet, Smith, Jameis, Evans and ask yourself who have they had as coaches! Who the great Lovie Smith, or the legendary Dirk Koetter? I mean you guys all want to say this guy sucks or that guy sucks but without quality coaching they are all going to appear to suck. And it’s not just scheme, it’s dealing with personalities, it’s creating accountability, it’s putting players in a position to succeed, it’s building confidence, it’s support. Yes it takes all of those things to be a quality head coach and we just flat out have had 3 in our franchise history and until we have another we will suck, that’s plan and simple and you will continue to see players go elsewhere and thrive. I know you can’t stand him Jean but Jameis is the poster child for a player that if we let him leave will be very successful elsewhere, like it or not cause it is not him it is the crap coaching this franchise keeps selecting.
March 17th, 2019 at 1:04 pm
@D1, dont know you, not used to interacting with you here, but lets play….
I know my eyes and what I see, many years here on this forum, and couldnt care less if you think im smart or not (if thats YOUR idea). I have a track record here and never post under any other name. Bosa just might live up to a top 3 pick, but I dont see it. I think he’ll be top 10 talent, but not top 3. Point me to some vids of him and change my mind! I’d love to see it. I know WHAT I SEE in picking White over Bosa…..change my mind D1!
March 17th, 2019 at 1:08 pm
BTW, D1, how many top 5 picks have busted? They’re out there. And I never said Bosa will be a bust, you’re trying a stupid angle on me and trying to say i said something when i didnt….I stated I would choose White over Bosa…we have some DE’s, we hardly have LB’s….its not rocket science pal.
March 17th, 2019 at 2:31 pm
Vea was at the top of my wish list last year, so I’m extremely happy.
Duthsty Rhothdes Says:
March 16th, 2019 at 9:24 am
Derwin James was an all pro just saying
Anybody else think that the Bucs didnt want Derwin here for a reason? We have JW here trying to clean up his life. Maybe bringing Derwin here could have ended with JW going out to the bars again?
March 17th, 2019 at 9:44 pm
It’s a sad Bucs fan Life that we tend to latch onto players that we wish the Buccaneers would draft and then it’s ESPECIALLY painful if the player (or players) are drafted elsewhere and turn out to be really good players. Sadly a good deal of Bucs fans every year are already turning their attention to the next years draft well before November hits. So a good deal of us knew WAY MORE about the players coming out in the 2019 Draft long before the calendar had turned to 2019. The point is that there are SO MANY varying factors that determine whether a player ends up being successful in his career. You can measure virtually everything about a player except his will be great. Sure a potential top pick can SAY all the right things, but in the end these are still MOSTLY very young men thrust into a completely new environment WITH Money now thrown into the equation. If this were an exact science then many MORE teams would not be drafting busts in the top 2 rounds year in and year out.
March 18th, 2019 at 9:06 am
So about off topic and late to the party, but asking Joe if he has any insider info that might reveal ROJO was hampered by that hamstring injury he sustained before he was drafted? I still am reluctant to believe a guy with that much talent is as bad as what he looked like last season…even with the difficulty with the playbook rumors.
March 20th, 2019 at 6:16 pm
Should’ve drafted Derwin James! Bad pick