Extending Jameis Now
March 3rd, 2019
Bargain rate.
America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston, is entering the final year of his contract. And one writer seems to believe Team Glazer is in the perfect position to extend Jameis’ contract with the Bucs.
That would be Kristopher Knox of Bleacher Report. While the Bucs may be in a wait-and-see mode whether to keep Jameis, Knox thinks Team Glazer can buy low on Jameis now.
It makes sense for new head coach Bruce Arians to give Winston a year for evaluation. However, that year will come under the fifth-year option and at the price of $20.9 million. That’s no longer a bad price for a starting quarterback, but the price will go up significantly if Winston plays well in Arians’ system and then gets a shot at free agency or receives the franchise tag.
Now is the right time for the Buccaneers to extend Winston, but until Arians and Co. see him lead the offense, it’s going to be hard to know if that’s something they want to do.
Joe admits to never seriously considering this angle before. Joe was thinking Team Glazer might franchise Jameis for the 2020 season as currently nobody knows what the next CBA will look like. The current CBA expires after the 2020 season.
If Joe was Team Glazer, he’d sure like to know what the next CBA is like before possibly shelling out a team record amount on a contract.
But Knox makes sense. Team Glazer might never be able to sign Jameis again with such bargaining power as now. Of course, that doesn’t mean Jameis’ camp would play ball.
March 3rd, 2019 at 8:18 am
I suggested this in January. You should read more of my comments, Joe 😉
Here was the gist of my suggestion:
Four year extension starting this year, $17m per year, 2 years guaranteed. This will allow for a year longer to evaluate, save a few million on the cap, and if the CBA is extended like last time, it also allows for that.
Present it to Jameis lime this: “We believe in you, but we’ve been burned in the past. We need a price break this time around for that reason AND so that we can keep your favorite offensive players on the team.”
March 3rd, 2019 at 8:23 am
No, see if he improves and can clean up his mistakes on the field. If it’s the same old Winston, then we aren’t STUCK! Make this a prove it Year!
March 3rd, 2019 at 8:24 am
Well said Bonzai. You’re not going to find a deal on a QB in the NFL. That’s why teams pay top dollar it’s the market. People forget Tom Brady always plays for less than his market value to keep his team competitive in free agency. Guys like Aaron Rodgers, Kirk cousins and Big Ben could care less.
March 3rd, 2019 at 8:26 am
No! Nope! He’s in a prove it year…
you’re bringing flashbacks of a similar post about freefree years ago Joe, lol.
Lets see what happens under BA and company (and if he keeps his hands to himself with off field stuff).
March 3rd, 2019 at 8:30 am
And that’s exactly wht JW has no incentive to sign an extension now. Any agent worth their salt will have his eye on that new CBA coming down the pike and stomp all over anything like this.
March 3rd, 2019 at 8:35 am
I actually think salaries will go up after the CBA to compensate the players for more games and more contact practices.
March 3rd, 2019 at 8:37 am
caveat emptor
March 3rd, 2019 at 8:38 am
Bonzai knows that he stole that Idea from me. This franchise has too many long running streaks of ineptitude that are more colloquially referred to as “curses”, like the fact that in the 43 history of this franchise we have yet to resign a drafted Qb to a 2nd contract. Or what the locals know as the “curse” of Doug Williams. And it needs to end.
Even if we sign Jameis to a 4 year 80 million guaranteed deal tomorrow that is still a Bargain considering that the cap is going up every year.
March 3rd, 2019 at 8:48 am
He’s shown too little to warrant an extension
It would just be another gamble by a ownership that doesn’t know what they are doing long term
March 3rd, 2019 at 8:49 am
No, his performance on and off of the field and the 2020 QB draft class would give the Bucs leverage. Extending #3 is about as sure as extending JoFro5. They both put up decent numbers while playing erratically and they both had questionable activities off of it.
I guarantee this, #3 will play well enough this year that we will pass on every top QB in the 2020 draft. #3 is just good enough not to replace!?
ONE more woman/ incident and #3 is gone!
MadMax, I wrote this b4 reading yours, sorry for the redundancy. We agree here.
March 3rd, 2019 at 8:53 am
……. yeah, and we should have extended leaky, sleepy JFro to a long “team friendly” contract too.
Not.
JW still has way too much to prove and the Bucs are in the driver’s seat.
March 3rd, 2019 at 9:00 am
Wait for the next CBA? For what? Someone please inform me of a new CBA in any sport where non-rookie players have gotten less money out of the talks. At best, player money will remain the same, but I even doubt that. I’m not saying the Bucs should extend Jameis right now, but it is something to seriously consider If your worried about the potential hit on cap space down the road. Having said that, the cap space for each team went up $10 mil this season so the elevation of QB salaries may just be relative to the increase in team cap space.
March 3rd, 2019 at 9:03 am
This is what the good franchises would do so unfortunately I don’t expect it to happen. The Bucs never seem to plan ahead as they are always in reaction mode. If you believe in someone as much as they say they believe in Jameis then this should be a no brainer. I mean let’s be real, even those that are clueless and currently desire for Jameis to fail, know that outside of him having a career worst year or getting suspended he’s going to get a contract extension so why not do it now. Just build in provisions concerning any future suspension and boom you help the cap this year and in future years and he gets security, the confidence that his team believes in him and you have the most important position in team sports locked up. This is to obvious so of course we won’t do it.
March 3rd, 2019 at 9:04 am
Bleacher. Report.
🙂 Sure.
Go Bucs!
March 3rd, 2019 at 9:05 am
I’ve been thinking for a while the Bucs should extend Jamies now to save money against the cap.
Bucs could do a four year $80MM deal.
On a much lower scale I think they should extend Barber too if they could sign him for $4MM a year or less.
March 3rd, 2019 at 9:07 am
@AwShbucs
lol, yeah right. lol
March 3rd, 2019 at 9:12 am
DooshLaRue Says:
March 3rd, 2019 at 8:53 am
……. yeah, and we should have extended leaky, sleepy JFro to a long “team friendly” contract too.
Not.
JW still has way too much to prove and the Bucs are in the driver’s seat.
This is the kind of thinking that makes us losers. Yes the Bucs are in the driver’s seat TODAY but if you truly believe in someone why give that someone a shot to talk to every other team out there? So what happens if he has a Mohomes type year, then we are paying way more than we would right now. Smart play is to sign him now but like I said this is not a smart franchise, thus 5-11, 5-11 etc …….
March 3rd, 2019 at 9:12 am
Jameis would be a FOOL to extend anything right now. His agent should be strung from the goal posts if he does.
Now, if the Jameis + Agent Approval = Extension (now), I’m all for it. However, we’s need Webster to change the picture next to the word “STUPID” from that socialist nut-job AOC to Jameis and his agent high-fiving each other.
March 3rd, 2019 at 9:17 am
Let him hit FA on good terms…find the market price and go from there….which is why I have been saying draft Dwayne Haskins….moneysense
March 3rd, 2019 at 9:19 am
HELL to the NO! You can franchise him next year also if your still not sure. Why would you sign him with his track record? If he still doesn’t perform this year you are on the hook for that money.
March 3rd, 2019 at 9:26 am
Extending him now with the 20 million is not teaching Jameis a lesson … let him prove his worth before giving him extra years … come on yall
March 3rd, 2019 at 9:28 am
Not just “NO”, but “HELL NO”!
March 3rd, 2019 at 9:32 am
Dewey Selmon Says:
March 3rd, 2019 at 9:19 am
HELL to the NO! You can franchise him next year also if your still not sure. Why would you sign him with his track record? If he still doesn’t perform this year you are on the hook for that money.
Yeah why would we want to lock up a player for a cheaper contract that had numbers in his first 4 years comparable to Peyton Manning, Andrew Luck and better than Drew Brees, yeah you’re right that would be idotic.
March 3rd, 2019 at 9:39 am
Definitely not yet, but author seems t act like the only options are sign now or next ofdseason. Reality is if he’s receiving coaching really well.. good training camp.. does well first few games and like what they see in practice they could still so it early to mid season.
March 3rd, 2019 at 9:47 am
Coburn Says:
March 3rd, 2019 at 9:39 am
Definitely not yet, but author seems t act like the only options are sign now or next ofdseason. Reality is if he’s receiving coaching really well.. good training camp.. does well first few games and like what they see in practice they could still so it early to mid season.
Not a bad idea but on the other hand if things are going well then Jameis could just say naw I see where this is going and after the year I’ll get a lot more than right now.
March 3rd, 2019 at 9:58 am
Maybe they end up paying him slightly more than now but less than end o ofdseason. All I’m saying I shouldn’t they at least let the new coaching staff actually spend some time with him first?
March 3rd, 2019 at 10:09 am
@Bring, all good brother….the more people who voice their opinions in everything, the better….and great post btw. Either JW3 will figure it out or WE”LL figure it out.
March 3rd, 2019 at 10:11 am
Only thing Winston has proved is he wasn’t worth the number 1 pick in the draft … at least so far … Lets see what another year brings..keep hope alive!1
March 3rd, 2019 at 10:14 am
Ndog
So even if we extended him now for a lower price do you really think that JW and his agent would be ok when other players start getting bigger money after the new CBA?
Doubtful.
And if JW feels like he’s being underpaid (disrespected) how do you think that will effect his performance/desire to be a Buc?
March 3rd, 2019 at 10:17 am
Why would they want to lock him up long term when its still an evaluation whether he can respond to better coaching and increase his maturation as a professional. After 4 years Jameis Winston is exactly what he is:
Good:
Poise in pocket, extends plays with his legs, clutch 3rd down passer
Exceptional thrower into tight windows, hits receivers at high percentage in 15-25 yard range
Spreads the ball to various receivers
Difficult to sack, durable, keeps eyes on field even under pressure
Works hurry up offense well
Bad:
Below .500 career winning percentage
Very high amount of fumbles/interceptions
Slow release, misses on open receivers getting behind secondary
Streaky
Often takes unneccessary risks
Fixable:
Teach him to throw ball away or check down when main receivers are covered, eliminate mistakes by coaching risk/reward decision making
Improve reading defenses and seeing where the open receivers are instead of forcing it to covered receivers
Improve timing so ball is out faster, issue with deep ball is not letting it go earlier, too many overthrows
If Arians and Leftwich can coach some of the bads out of him and get the improvements that would make him a top ten quarterback then at all expense you extend him, but right now after 4 years he is who he is and it isn’t enough to get them out of the 5-11 and 6-10 records.
For 3 or 4 games he’ll do well then another 2 or 3 mediocre or bad games. Bucs need better quarterbacking to get over .500 and into playoffs. Winston has to grow up this year and become the guy that can carry his team.
March 3rd, 2019 at 10:19 am
Buccaneer Bonzai, while I like your thinking, why in world would JW agent agree to $17m w/2 years guaranteed? You at last need 2b at or close to the franchise value $25m w/at least 2 years guaranteed and that might not be enough? We can’t look at these contracts & think “well I would jump on that” yea sure me too, but we’re not NFL starting QBs. I’ve been saying since last year, the uber thing “could” get us a lower price on JW bc of it, but only a little. I love Jameis, wanted only him if we got 1st pk, we did & we got. A year into BAs system will help them decide were to go from there just remember our opening bid better have at minimum $50-$75 m guaranteed over first 3 years bc of the value of QB. Jameis will get well over $100m if signed soon, I’m hoping he remembers the team stood by him they all that uber crap. Come on Bucs lets FINALLY sign a QB to his 2nd contact, that’ll be a first for us. Go Bucs,
March 3rd, 2019 at 10:23 am
Extend Winston and restore his photos on Ray Jay. Eliminate all MeJax pictures and pay off Goodell as well. Because everyone knows the way to Goodell and post season success is through Goodell’s wallett.
March 3rd, 2019 at 10:31 am
Nothing to do with Jameis and the Bucs….but Patrick Mahomes will probably be signing a new deal next offseason somewhere in the 200 million range….Jameis will never sniff anything close…Mahomes is going to be to the NFL what Tiger Woods was to the PGA….
and now back to damaged goods Jameis…he is on his last strike with the NFL…that is certainly a factor that will discount any and every contract he signs in the NFL whether it is with the Bucs or another team 8 years from now
March 3rd, 2019 at 10:33 am
Ndog, you can compare Winston’s cherry picked stats to Manning, Farve and Marino. The only numbers that matter are Wins and Losses. What franchise QB has an 11 game road losing streak? Winston hasn’t won a road game since Obama was in office.
March 3rd, 2019 at 10:36 am
“Joe admits to never seriously considering this angle before”
C’mon Joe – get with it. Never considered this idea yet?
If one believes that Winston’s ceiling is quite a bit higher than what 4 years of tape without a decent running game, bad defense and sub-par coaching shows – then this “angle” makes all the sense in the world. At least to consider….
But $20M per as others are suggesting won’t get it done. There’s no incentive for Jameis to do that. He’s already making $21M this year on the 5th year option. And the franchise tag # in 2020 will be like $27M for QBs.
Any long term offer the Bucs make to Jameis now – would have to be at least at or above the $25M per year mark for Winston to even consider signing a long term deal with the Buccaneers at this point.
Carr – $25M per
Garoppolo – $27.5M per
Cousins – $28M per
Ryan – $30M per
There’s your “comparables”.
I’m quite sure Winston believes he is as good or better than (and thus ultimately worth more than) all of those guys – and if the Buccaneers under Arians guidance can manage to field a solid and balanced team, Jameis knows he will be able to prove it! At which point his value would be closer to $30M per than $25M+. Especially considering the # of good QBs who will be signing new (expensive) contracts at the conclusion of the 2019 year if not before….
The risk of course is that Winston regresses instead of improves – and then you are stuck with him or face a HUGE cap hit to get rid of him (like the Bortles situation in Jax only worse).
But the “reward” in extending Jameis now (assuming it turns out to be the right move) – is that you save $20M, 30M, maybe even $40M over the life of his contract. Money that can be used to improve/maintain the team at other important positions….
March 3rd, 2019 at 10:41 am
Dwayne Haskins would be at a fraction of the cost of Jamesi all the way to 2024…..and no baggage
March 3rd, 2019 at 10:49 am
We’re not talking about keeping or losing JW here. We are talking about the $$$.
Seen some numbers thrown around but what we are debating is how much MORE it will cost to sign him if he blows up versus how much we’ve WASTED if he doesn’t pan out or is just mediocre.
The money is irrelevant. The Glazers own two franchises that have been valued over SIX BILLION DOLLARS. They recently purchased the Vinoy for kicks at 165 million! Money is NOT a major issue for them. They will easily be able to afford JW no matter his cost.
Personally I don’t believe the $$$ are that important for JW but it will be for his agent. JW will be set for life no matter what happens. But I’ve already talked a lot about GREED. I do not this is one of JW’s fault but his agent will certainly want to get the max for his 10%.
But having said money is no object doesn’t mean it’s not a very important decision!!!
I agree with JOE. The new CBA could change a lot including the salary cap. Money is not a problem for the Glazers…the salary cap could be if we over invest in ANY single player.
Too early to extend him…I’ll take the gamble on the DIFFERENCE in cost since the Glazers can afford him at any price. The cap is all that concerns me going forward.
JW wants to win right now more than anything. I believe he’s as smart as Brady and will include that consideration in his salary demands. But he will need to feel loved in Tampa. This is as much about the fans as it is JW and his agent. If the fan base doesn’t come back to “loving” JW he may hit the bricks anyway. He not only needs to prove himself on the field he needs to recapture fan love.
And btw NDOG I love your posts except for the JW hyperbole and the constant referral to haters for anybody who does not love him. I absolutely hope he reaches his true potential both as a player and a human being. He’s likeable enough for me.
But he has made his OWN bed and so I don’t feel as sorry for him having to lie in it as you do. I do not believe those who are upset with him are simply haters or Mariota lovers. Just sayin’ IMHO.
March 3rd, 2019 at 10:51 am
Clock is ticking
March 3rd, 2019 at 10:53 am
I’m only for extending JW at a low price if there is no more than 1 year of guaranteed money. However most agents wouldn’t take that. You also put in a heavy disincentive penalty for poor behavior ($5M salary reduction in future years and 10% reduction in remaining salary of the season it occurs). Consider the following scenarios:
1) Sign him now: What if JW has a bad 2019 with more picks and fumbles than TDs and the Bucs are under .500? Everyone is mad and wants to dump him; but your only options are to trade him or keep him. Nobody is trading for him at his salary. If you have 2-4 years of guaranteed money you are in Cap Hell with all of that dead money for several years (see Ryan Tannehill).
2) Delay one year: What if JW plays OK with 18 TDs and 15 interceptions and fumbles with the Bucs goinb 8-8? Now you are in the same situation you are today. You release him, franchise tag him or sign him to a long-term deal. You may pay $20+M a year for this contract.
3) Wait for the CBA: What if JW has a great year, the Bucs are 10-6 and win a playoff game? You are signing him to a long term deal at $25+M per year. Depending upon the CBA, this could cash strap your team.
I’ll take my chances with #2 (most likely scenario IMO).
March 3rd, 2019 at 11:13 am
Dewey Selmon Says:
March 3rd, 2019 at 10:33 am
Ndog, you can compare Winston’s cherry picked stats to Manning, Farve and Marino. The only numbers that matter are Wins and Losses. What franchise QB has an 11 game road losing streak? Winston hasn’t won a road game since Obama was in office.
Oh I’m sorry I didn’t know we had Marshall Faulk or Reggie White on this team that allowed us to have a well rounded football team. Oh that’s right we don’t we have had a horrible defense, horrible running game and horrible kicking so yeah the losses are all the QB. You’re right we should just expect our QB to win regardless of how many points the other team scores, or how many kicks we miss or how many times our running back gets blown up as he touches the ball or how often a DE gets a free shot at him after two steps yep all of that unimportant, just win with just you and the WRs. In fact we should just line up with a QB and three wideouts and let the other team score cause that’s all it takes to win games right Dewey?
March 3rd, 2019 at 11:17 am
That makes zero sense.
For those comparing Jameis to brees, Manning and Rodgers is just ridiculous
How bout comparing Jameis to Derek Carr. Numbers very similar
Each had one good year. Almost came out at same time in new nfl which favors offense.
But both have questions marks
Jameis has more turnovers in one less year then Carr.
Neither has had the greatest help on both sides of ball
Jameis has better receivers /tightens. Raiders can run better
Here’s what is Interesting to me. Carr under Gruden 1st year was average. And they are questioning if Carr is long term answer for the deal he just signed. They may draft qb.
Say what you want about Gruden as head coach , but dude was an offensive genius . And he struggled to get Carr going this year.
Just like Arians who is offensive genius. Will he struggle to get Jameis going ? Why lock up a guy when you can’t answer that question yet.
March 3rd, 2019 at 11:20 am
Bird please name the young QB Gruden ever developed? Do you guys even watch football cause you act like you do but you comment then……..
March 3rd, 2019 at 11:20 am
Congrats once again to both Joes for Jameis Winston, who is like the “Jelly of the Month Club”, the gift that keeps on giving.
tickrdr
March 3rd, 2019 at 11:28 am
Dewey…like Ndog…I don’t put W-L solely on the QB. I know Ndog has said that numerous times in the past. When it’s all said and done and careers are over. I rarely see peeps bring up a QB’s W-L totals. No one knows them without looking them up.
March 3rd, 2019 at 11:29 am
On the subject of contract extension, No good reason not to get a look and see
if Jameis can adapt to the new system. If Bucs have to wait for the end of season for Jameis to string together some wins ,then the Bucs will have a tough decision.
Some of Jameis’s worst games were against good defenses when he has had
increased turnovers and had lower QBR ratings. If Jameis overcomes this hurdle,
then the Bucs will have an easier decision . At that time they can work on a
contract extension before the end of the season.
March 3rd, 2019 at 11:36 am
There is TOO much at stake not to bring in real INSURANCE….anyone of the top QB’s and I am talking picking one at 5 to do that….if Jameis proves something in 2019 that he has yet to do in his first 4 years…GREAT…trade the QB next year…
March 3rd, 2019 at 11:39 am
Ndog
Isn’t it time for your afternoon nap? I will wait. ..
Again you make zero sense and call everyone idiots and its kind as funny at times. Mostly just annoying though.
You are obsessed with Jameis cause he went to FSU. Just like you. Like crazy obsessed in a creepy way. I’m honestly afraid for Jameis safety.
And You are not old enough for Gruden years. Remember , Gruden likes veteran qbs . He didn’t want to take time to develop a young qb. He admitted it was a regret of his. Doesn’t mean he wasnt an offense genius. Even Sapp who loved Dungy said true was reason he took same team to next level cause offense could score enough points to win games. With an older Brad Johnson
Yet. He did draft Chris Simms. Remember him. Chris Simms was drafted in the third round numnuts. Not the first overall pick. Not the same thing. And wasn’t Jameis supposed to be pro ready coming out of college. You seem to forget that on every Jameis discussion.
March 3rd, 2019 at 11:43 am
Oh and his other young QB was Bruce gradkowski drafted in 6th round
Jameis overall number 1 pick.
You are right. …Gruden was not a offensive genius. 😂
March 3rd, 2019 at 12:04 pm
Unfortunately the window has passed to extend Jameis for a bargain contract…..the time was before Arians named him as the starter…..now, Jameis can wait.
I suspect he will do well enough to get an extension……regardless of the situation we should be drafting a capable backup either this year or next. If Ryan Griffin isn’t the guy….then there is one more FU from Licht, Koetter & Co.
March 3rd, 2019 at 12:05 pm
No agent would let that happen unless it’s at more than 20 mil a year. That agent expects Winston to have a big year now that he doesn’t have a clown at head coach
March 3rd, 2019 at 12:08 pm
Repost, but edited:
We should trade Winston for Mahomes.
We should trade Winston for Goff.
We should trade Winston for Wentz.
We should trade Winston for Watson.
We should trade Winston for Trubisky.
We should trade Winston for Mayfield.
What? ……………….. You don’t think those teams would trade any of those guys for Winston?……………………..Yeah, me neither.
tickrdr
BTW: Which QB drafted in the first round since 2015 is playing WORSE than Winston? It seems to me that Baker Mayfield may already be playing better than JW3. The Ravens shipped Joe Flacco off to Denver in favor of Lamar Jackson.That leaves Allen, Darnold, and Rosen,who were all rookies on terrible teams.
Someone above posted that another season of 18 TDs and 15 INTs from Winston would be OK???? If so, we might be able to get Case Keenum (18 TDs and 15 INTs in 2018)??? Perhaps Ndog could visit the team sites of any of the above QBs and suggest a trade of Winston for their respective QB, and report how many Yays and Nays he got????
March 3rd, 2019 at 12:11 pm
Make it a prove it year, make him earn it, See how he does under the Arian system and most importantly see if he can win games and stay out of trouble. I like Jameis but remember an over the hill back-up named Johnson won our only SB.
March 3rd, 2019 at 12:17 pm
Bonzai
Start paying attention to others salaries in the league. No way a guy making 20 signs a long term deal for 17. 20 would be the minimum.
No way you resign him yet. Let him prove it. If ya have to pay an extra 3-5 a year if he lights it up that’s much better than a 2-3 year mistake of guaranteed money that screws ya. Teams will happily pay 5 mil extra for their franchise qb. The salary cap rise should cover that yearly. Lets see the proof first.
March 3rd, 2019 at 12:32 pm
Never said he wasn’t a offensive genius but I did ask which young QB he developed and like usual you did not have a answer and try to destract with your useless comments. I prove you wrong in every debate yet you still think you’re right. This is why when you comment others laugh to themselves like they are watching Warren Sapp destroy another teams oline. You know like they love it but kind of feel bad for the other player cause they know he has no chance. That’s you my friend but keep trying maybe one day you will come close, but I highly doubt it!
March 3rd, 2019 at 12:36 pm
You know what’s funny these same people are going to be pissed and rip Jameis next year when he won’t take a team friendly deal when they wouldn’t do that now. My goodness I was never a huge fan of Steve Dumieg but he was correct we do indeed live in Guberville.
March 3rd, 2019 at 12:47 pm
@Ndog:
Some of us, goobers, have learned to spell Gooberville with two O’s, but not ALL of us, obviously.
tickrdr
March 3rd, 2019 at 12:51 pm
Martini says:
I like Jameis but remember an over the hill back-up named Johnson won our only SB.
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Obviously Martini is putting ALL the emphasis on one position QB. Does Martini realize the 2002 Bucs with Brad Johnson at QB gave up 12 pts per game that season? The 2002 Bucs were probably one of the top 5 defenses of all time.
What has Winston’s defense look like his 4 years in?
2015: 26 pts a game
2016: 23 pts a game
2017: 23 pts a game
2018: 29 pts a game
#stillthestupiestfanbaseintheNFL
March 3rd, 2019 at 1:02 pm
I never get tired of the Jameis threads….someone could do a PhD in Psychology thesis on these…
March 3rd, 2019 at 1:11 pm
Is Tom Jones now writing under the name of Kristopher Knox?
March 3rd, 2019 at 1:17 pm
Dapostman:
Couldn’t agree with you more. More about Winston extension opinion. But your Defensive comment proves it takes a whole team to win and I think we put way too much emphasis on QB, a lot of guys with the right tools can go to playoffs and beyond.
March 3rd, 2019 at 1:19 pm
@DaPostman:
Which QB drafted in the first round since 2015 is playing WORSE than Winston?
The play of the quarterback.
Not their W-L record.
Not their defense.
Not their running game.
Not their receivers.
Not their kicking game and special teams.
Simply the overall play of those QBs.
tickrdr
March 3rd, 2019 at 1:30 pm
Great posts @tickrdr!
I would love to know what other fan bases would trade their QB for JW3?
Not many! Bottles? Maybe Andy Dalton? That’s about it.
March 3rd, 2019 at 1:49 pm
Which QB drafted in the first round since 2015 is playing WORSE than Winston?
That’s easy, see below:
Goff with no running game he is straight trash see rookie year and Superbowl
Wentz he’s always hurt so….
Trubisky was garbage until he got an elite defense and gimmick offense
Mayfield played really well but not a good as Jameis, period
Allen uh yeah better than I expected but not going enough throwing the ball yet
Darnold good but not as good as Jameis yet
Jackson I’m not even going to comment.
March 3rd, 2019 at 1:52 pm
SteveK Says:
March 3rd, 2019 at 1:30 pm
Great posts @tickrdr!
I would love to know what other fan bases would trade their QB for JW3?
Not many! Bottles? Maybe Andy Dalton? That’s about it.
This is irrelevant because no one actually watched us play so what other teams fans think is all based on what ESPN tells them to think. On the other hand you would care cause that is just like you.
March 3rd, 2019 at 2:07 pm
Ndog,
When my team hasn’t been to the playoffs in 11 years l, and my #1 overall pick at QB is going into year five, I do start to analyze our situation compared to the rest of the league. Don’t expect fans to turn a blind eye, and not try to figure out the “why” and “how” behind the suck.
If I’m forced to embrace terrible football, I want to cherish every moment and embrace the suck as much as possible.
March 3rd, 2019 at 2:12 pm
More than half the teams in the NFL would trade Qbs with the Bucs After next year it will be 3/4 and after that 4/5. As a Bucs fan you would think you’d want to be on board.
March 3rd, 2019 at 2:12 pm
SteveK yet you turn a blind eye to the league worst defense, league worst running game and league worst kicking and still expect our QB to win despite that. That sir is ridiculous. Again the ONLY part of our team that is good is the passing game yet you rip the QB, please tell us how that makes sense?
March 3rd, 2019 at 2:15 pm
Jay-Miss is not the future. He’s the quarterback “right now.”
March 3rd, 2019 at 2:17 pm
D-Rome Says:
March 3rd, 2019 at 2:15 pm
Jay-Miss is not the future. He’s the quarterback “right now.”
Keep dreaming bud keep dreaming.
March 3rd, 2019 at 2:28 pm
@Knox … “the price will go up significantly if Winston plays well in Arians’ system and then gets a shot at free agency or receives the franchise tag.” Let me make sure I understand Knox’s line of thinking here. IF Jameis plays great this year under BA’s coaching, getting him locked in for 4 years would be great for the Bucs … but oh ya, BAD FOR JAMEIS. IF Jameis plays bad this year under BA’s coaching, getting him locked in for 4 years would be great for Jameis … but oh ya, BAD FOR THE BUCS.
Hmmm, in many years of negotiating I was always taught to strive for a WIN-WIN arrangement, where everyone walks away feeling good. When one party of the other gets screwed, things often don’t end well … for either party. In Jameis case, IF he does well this year and IF the Bucs’ hierarchy sees him as a valuable team leader, then PAY HIM LIKE A VALUABLE TEAM LEADER, comparable to what other franchise QBs are getting. IF he doesn’t play well, either franchise him in 2020 (for another prove-it year) or wish him well & find another QB. THAT’S the only WIN-WIN arrangement worth having. (Stick to your guns Joe; you nailed it).
March 3rd, 2019 at 2:45 pm
So…what if he does well and they have to sign him for a record breaking contract? What will that do to the Salary Cap? Imagine paying him $30m per year.
If he gets us to the NFC Championship game, that could be exactly how much he gets.
March 3rd, 2019 at 2:52 pm
Ndog,
I think Licht is terrible. His FA and drafting are awful- his record is worse tha. dominik’s.
I have expectations for Jameis to play better because he is a former #1 overall pick with talent. His decision making on and off the field have needed improvement. I hope he ascends this year and earns his pay day. So far, not good enough but I want to ride out year 5.
Can we expect better results this year?
I want us to sign LeVeon Bell, so we can solidify the rubnning game. Also sign/draft O line help.
March 3rd, 2019 at 2:53 pm
So…let’s play the game for a sec. Say a miracle happens and Jameis takes us all the way to the Superbowl this year.
New Coach and all of that, just like Gruden did. (except instead of an established defense, Arians inherited an established offense).
So in such a scenario, he get’s a huge contract. Most here would say he’d deserve it, right? But then, what if he never sniffs the Superbowl again for us? It’s a gamble.
Better to at least make an effort this off season, while the Bucs have at least some bargaining power, because if he does well, all the power will be with Jameis.
A contract written up the right way will protect the team AND lock him in at a reasonable price. And why would he do it? Why would his agent advise it?
Because if Jameis does do well, he won’t be able to hit free agency for at least three years because of this year and two franchise tags.
Jameis just had a kid. Jameis just got married. Jameis want’s stability.
Maybe $17m per year is impossible, but surely there can be some kind of discount. Perhaps a large signing bonus to reduce the annual amount.
And the contract can have good incentives and behavior clauses.
March 3rd, 2019 at 2:56 pm
SteveK Says
“I think Licht is terrible. His FA and drafting are awful- his record is worse tha. dominik’s.”
It’s actually not worse. In fact, Licht is right up there with Rich McKay if you compare the two of them side-by-side on paper.
For every crappy free agent, he also had successful free agents. And while no free agent lasts forever, getting production out of them is what’s important.
March 3rd, 2019 at 2:57 pm
I think part of the issue is that teams always try to make a splash move in free agency in order to excite the fans. Often, those splash moves don’t work out.
But the none splash moves tend to find some great talent.
March 3rd, 2019 at 3:11 pm
Bonzai
Dominick 28-52, and Licht is 27-53 in 5 years.
That’s terrible.
March 3rd, 2019 at 3:25 pm
SteveK says:
I want us to sign LeVeon Bell, so we can solidify the rubnning game. Also sign/draft O line help.
SteveK so want us to sign a player that bailed on his team? Did you learn nothing from Brent Grimes and DJax?
March 3rd, 2019 at 3:45 pm
Ndog,
Bell did not quit. He played on the franchise tag once, and said he would not play on it again. I don’t blame him at all for sitting out his age 27 season and avoiding 450+ touches for the second year in a row- on a one year deal.
Pay Bell his worth and watch him ball out.
The Steelers mismanaged that situation
March 3rd, 2019 at 4:17 pm
Ndog
“If you believe in someone as much as they say they believe in Jameis then this should be a no brainer.”
Well there you have it….
March 3rd, 2019 at 5:27 pm
My god this would destroy the Franchise and JW. He needs pressure and NOT get everything handed to him. You get paid for what you DID not what you’re going to do. He’s done nothing so far.
March 3rd, 2019 at 5:52 pm
diggler you are so wrong as nothing about Jameis says he will let anything stop him from working to be his best. Will that be the greatest ever probably not, but his effort has never been in question. I think we can all agree with that.
March 3rd, 2019 at 6:12 pm
if the Bucs go 5-3 i nthe first eight then IMO he will have taken strides that will show signs of matching the potential he was expected to show when he was drafted.
March 3rd, 2019 at 7:39 pm
The knob slobberers in full effect.
March 3rd, 2019 at 7:39 pm
Why extend a player that causes you to lose games?
March 3rd, 2019 at 8:28 pm
So many young good QB’s coming out in recent years and in this draft….the Bucs will not be picking this high again…Glazers need to step in and insist on taking a QB at 5…Dwayne Haskins had an awesome combine and if Jameis is all that he shouldn’t be worried by a rookie….if Jameis is as Jameis has done…we will have a ready made QB ready to take over….it is just not Jameis hanging in the balance…
March 3rd, 2019 at 9:49 pm
So Altered your solution to solving our issues is replacing the player that is in control of the only part of our team that isn’t horrible? So we should ignore a bottom 5 defense and a bottom 5 running game? Dude you really don’t understand football do you?
March 3rd, 2019 at 10:49 pm
Ndog Says:
March 3rd, 2019 at 9:49 pm
So we should ignore a bottom 5 defense and a bottom 5 running game? Dude you really don’t understand football do you?
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are you Jameis’s mother ?…’cause you sound like it…child that can do no wrong…it’s is always the fault of someone or something else
March 4th, 2019 at 6:53 am
“If Winston plays well”??? IF??? You mean, like he has since day one??? Knox is Knuts.
March 4th, 2019 at 6:55 am
@SteveK
Coaches and players win or lose games. Not GMs.
A GM is more responsible for cap management and bringing in talent. In that regard, Licht is far superior to Dominick. About the only thing Dominick did right is cap management.
Licht handles new veteran contracts perfectly, making sure they don’t hurt the team long term.
Licht has brought in better long term talent than Dominick, and maybe even more than McKay did. Certainly better than Allen.
There is a LOT of young talent on this team, and Licht brought the majority of it here.
And we cannot even blame the hiring of Koetter on him because the Glazers sought out Koetter.
March 4th, 2019 at 7:04 am
AleteredEgo, the quarterbacks in this years draft are mostly unworthy of being early draft picks.
Sorry, I’m with NDog on this one. Our offense was not the issue the past couple years. Defense and kicking was. Had both been more reliable, we would have had winning records the past 3 years straight.
I see no point in creating more needs on the team.
Jameis is the future, and you may as well come to terms with that, because if we have to draft a new starting QB, we’re looking at another 3-5 years developmental time…IF he’s not a bust.
You can dream about drafting a QB who wins right away, but its not a realistic approach.
March 4th, 2019 at 7:48 am
Buccaneer Bonzai Says:
March 4th, 2019 at 7:04 am
AleteredEgo, the quarterbacks in this years draft are mostly unworthy of being early draft picks.
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BB…I really don’t want to draft a QB but Jameis scares me on and off the field, he is out of mea culpas and a wrong flinch from going on the NFL “Blocked Caller” list…my fear is that Jameis’s career will be that of a C+ – B- so so ups and downs NFL QB, accuracy being his biggest fatal flaw, all else can be improved. There have been many years as this, where it was thought to be a weak QB class that proved wrong and the opposite is painfully true…..OK the basis for taking a QB @ 5 would be the smooth transition in 2020….it is not just Jameis…the whole of the young roster’s careers are hanging on the Bucs QB position
March 4th, 2019 at 10:10 am
Put me in the “prove it year” crowd. The fan in me so wants Jameis to be the guy we’ve been hoping for, but regardless of what BA and staff are saying JW has yet to display any consistency of playing QB at a high level in the NFL. No doubt he’s got talent and has certainly flashed some elite potential at times, but he’s also been putrid at times. I am of the belief that unless Bosa or Josh Allen are there at #5 the Bucs should trade back a few spots and select a QB in round 1 (maybe Drew Locke or Daniel Jones would still be available?). If Jameis is the man then you pay him in 2020, and if he isn’t you’ve got a guy ready to step in and give it a shot (or potentially trade him down the road ala Pats-49’ers with Jimmy G). I know we are in a win now mindset and many would argue selecting a guy who will likely not see the field if all goes well is a waste, BUT we’re almost 5 years in with JW and still questioning if he’s really the answer.
March 4th, 2019 at 11:49 am
16m a year for 3 years. Easy enough to trade if it doesn’t work out and if he becomes the backup, we are good.
March 4th, 2019 at 3:16 pm
Most turnovers since entering the league/ Yeah, that’s real good. LOL.
Mahomes is going to blow away his numbers so we won’t have to hear about that stupid Peyton Manning BS comparison anymore.
Idiots.